Former MU players still in college thread

[MU82]

Oh yeah! How could I forget?

Edit: 0 pts in 21 mins for VSS in MSU's loss to Purdue. But he's still "alive," as MSU obviously will make the NCAAT.

[mileskishnish72]

Same for Theo.

[MU82]

Same for Theo.

Yep. Theo and Joey can't win their postseason conference titles but both still have a shot at the national title. I'd say Joey's chances are extremely slim, and Theo's chances aren't great.

[MU82]

Then there was one: Theo John.

[TSmith34, Inc.]

Then there was one: Theo John.

Somewhere, nolongerwarriors is gnashing whatever teeth he has left.

[MU82]

Somewhere, nolongerwarriors nolongerscooper is gnashing whatever teeth he has left.

[Uncle Rico]

Did he get the hammer?

[We R Final Four]

Did he get the hammer?

No...his team lost to an 11 seed in a home game.

[4everwarriors]

Oh yeah! How could I forget?

Edit: 0 pts in 21 mins for VSS in MSU's loss to Purdue. But he's still "alive," as MSU obviously will make the NCAAT.

I thought found it inappropriate to criticize college athletes. Yet, you just did that in a very racist, demeaning manner, aina?

#hatehasnohomeherehypocrite

[MU82]

I thought found it inappropriate to criticize college athletes. Yet, you just did that in a very racist, demeaning manner, aina?

#hatehasnohomeherehypocrite

You're funny.

But at least VSS never spoke up for racial equity, so I can see why you still love the little crybaby, who quit on his team during the season.

[Elonsmusk]

You're funny.

But at least VSS never spoke up for racial equity, so I can see why you still love the little crybaby, who quit on his team during the season.

If your teammates chose to bring race into the discussion regarding your play as a basketball player, by way of giving you the nickname vanilla soft serve, why would you join their cause and support their protests for racial equity (or stick around and continue to play with them?) 

As for Theo, nice kid, but as it relates to soft serve, Theo would qualify as chocolate soft serve.   Joey Hauser was a much better basketball player than Theo, and a better rebounder for that matter - which is pretty surprising given Theo's physique.  Theo could only get on the court for 27% of the minutes at Duke whereas Izzo felt Joey was "tough" enough to start and play 54% of minutes.

[withoutbias]

If your teammates chose to bring race into the discussion regarding your play as a basketball player, by way of giving you the nickname vanilla soft serve, why would you join their cause and support their protests for racial equity (or stick around and continue to play with them?) 

As for Theo, nice kid, but as it relates to soft serve, Theo would qualify as chocolate soft serve.   Joey Hauser was a much better basketball player than Theo, and a better rebounder for that matter - which is pretty surprising given Theo's physique.  Theo could only get on the court for 27% of the minutes at Duke whereas Izzo felt Joey was "tough" enough to start and play 54% of minutes.

Because racial equality is something that should be strived for everywhere and for everyone, regardless of if your precious feelings got hurt.

[Elonsmusk]

Because racial equality is something that should be strived for everywhere and for everyone, regardless of if your precious feelings got hurt.

I agree.  Except to interject race attached to a derogatory attribute, is, ultimately being racist.  Nothing wrong with thinking or calling a teammate soft.

[MU82]

If your teammates chose to bring race into the discussion regarding your play as a basketball player, by way of giving you the nickname vanilla soft serve, why would you join their cause and support their protests for racial equity (or stick around and continue to play with them?) 

As for Theo, nice kid, but as it relates to soft serve, Theo would qualify as chocolate soft serve.   Joey Hauser was a much better basketball player than Theo, and a better rebounder for that matter - which is pretty surprising given Theo's physique.  Theo could only get on the court for 27% of the minutes at Duke whereas Izzo felt Joey was "tough" enough to start and play 54% of minutes.

Theo was a 3-star role player who has worked hard, supported his teammates, and performed his assigned role well for two teams. Joey was a near-5-star who has vastly underperformed the hype; his best season by far was under the Worst Coach Ever, and he has regressed significantly under a Hall of Fame coach. You love talking about recruiting rankings; by that measure, Joey has been one of the biggest recent failures in college basketball.

It was a white Scooper, not teammates, who nicknamed him Vanilla Soft Serve, and it's a fitting nickname for a pouty loser who quit on his team in the middle of a promising season.

As a Marquette alum, I'm proud of Theo John, who earned his degree in 4 years, who was on the BE All-Academic Team, who worked hard for our basketball team, and who recognized the importance of speaking for equity in a country plagued by systemic racism.

[PGsHeroes32]

If your teammates chose to bring race into the discussion regarding your play as a basketball player, by way of giving you the nickname vanilla soft serve, why would you join their cause and support their protests for racial equity (or stick around and continue to play with them?) 

As for Theo, nice kid, but as it relates to soft serve, Theo would qualify as chocolate soft serve.   Joey Hauser was a much better basketball player than Theo, and a better rebounder for that matter - which is pretty surprising given Theo's physique.  Theo could only get on the court for 27% of the minutes at Duke whereas Izzo felt Joey was "tough" enough to start and play 54% of minutes.

Wow is there a lot of stupid to unpack here.

First, you though the soft serve nick name was given out by the players??? LOL.

Second, did you just imply that the perfecentage of minutes Theo gets at Duke should equal the % Joey gets on this years MSU?

Third, Izzo thought Joey was capable enough to play 54% of minutes on one of Izzos weakest teams especially at Joeys position.

Im actually dumbfound you tried to compare minutes played at Duke a 2 seed with lottery picks and MSU a 7 seed with probably no current draft picks at all right now.

[Uncle Rico]

Wow is there a lot of stupid to unpack here.

First, you though the soft serve nick name was given out by the players??? LOL.

Second, did you just imply that the perfecentage of minutes Theo gets at Duke should equal the % Joey gets on this years MSU?

Third, Izzo thought Joey was capable enough to play 54% of minutes on one of Izzos weakest teams especially at Joeys position.

Im actually dumbfound you tried to compare minutes played at Duke a 2 seed with lottery picks and MSU a 7 seed with probably no current draft picks at all right now.

Joey was overrated coming out of high school.  That's not unique to him.  It happens with a lot of players.  He almost certainly played his best basketball before he got injured.

The reality is, he was pretty meh at Michigan State versus what was expected.  I saw a Spartans beat writer say this during the Davidson game, Joey would have been a very productive A-10 player."

[The Sultan]

Joey was overrated coming out of high school.  That's not unique to him.  It happens with a lot of players.  He almost certainly played his best basketball before he got injured.

The reality is, he was pretty meh at Michigan State versus what was expected.  I saw a Spartans beat writer say this during the Davidson game, Joey would have been a very productive A-10 player."

I don't think the bolded is correct.  I think he just peaked early.

[Uncle Rico]

I don't think the bolded is correct.  I think he just peaked early.

That might be the best way to say it

[BrewCity83]

Joey is the big jock we all went to high school with who by the 10-year reunion was almost completely bald and overweight.

[Dr. Blackheart]

Joey is the big jock we all went to high school with who by the 10-year reunion was almost completely bald and overweight.

So Scoop

[Skatastrophy]

So Scoop

I peaked in grade school.

[Elonsmusk]

Theo was a 3-star role player who has worked hard, supported his teammates, and performed his assigned role well for two teams. Joey was a near-5-star who has vastly underperformed the hype; his best season by far was under the Worst Coach Ever, and he has regressed significantly under a Hall of Fame coach. You love talking about recruiting rankings; by that measure, Joey has been one of the biggest recent failures in college basketball.

It was a white Scooper, not teammates, who nicknamed him Vanilla Soft Serve, and it's a fitting nickname for a pouty loser who quit on his team in the middle of a promising season.

As a Marquette alum, I'm proud of Theo John, who earned his degree in 4 years, who was on the BE All-Academic Team, who worked hard for our basketball team, and who recognized the importance of speaking for equity in a country plagued by systemic racism.

I stand corrected then.  My recollection was the nickname vanilla soft serve was said/coined by his teammates.  If not then my point is irrelevant.

As for Theo, he was recruited as a rebounder/defender/shot blocker.  He did well on the shot blocking, but his rebounding wasn't very good.  Some of that was a function of always going for blocks and getting out of position, but for as physically strong/gifted as Theo was, he didn't live up to the expectation that he'd fill that role.

Joey did underperform his high 4 star ranking. But end of the day he was a better college basketball player than Theo.  I wouldn't have expected Joey to be a better rebounder than Theo, but he was.  Offensively it was no contest.

Lastly, I don't hold it against Joey or Sam for leaving.  They didn't want to play with a total ball hog, and tried to get Wojo to actually do something, and he couldn't get it done.  The letter writing has been ridiculed by you and the other Hauser haters, but it never should have gotten to that point.  That was their effort to stay at MU.  Unfortunately for Wojo his only coaching move was...Markus, shoot more.

[wadesworld]

I stand corrected then.  My recollection was the nickname vanilla soft serve was said/coined by his teammates.  If not then my point is irrelevant.

As for Theo, he was recruited as a rebounder/defender/shot blocker.  He did well on the shot blocking, but his rebounding wasn't very good.  Some of that was a function of always going for blocks and getting out of position, but for as physically strong/gifted as Theo was, he didn't live up to the expectation that he'd fill that role.

Joey did underperform his high 4 star ranking. But end of the day he was a better college basketball player than Theo.  I wouldn't have expected Joey to be a better rebounder than Theo, but he was.  Offensively it was no contest.

Lastly, I don't hold it against Joey or Sam for leaving.  They didn't want to play with a total ball hog, and tried to get Wojo to actually do something, and he couldn't get it done.  The letter writing has been ridiculed by you and the other Hauser haters, but it never should have gotten to that point.  That was their effort to stay at MU.  Unfortunately for Wojo his only coaching move was...Markus, shoot more.

...and yet you wanted Markus to shoot at Creighton.

[4everwarriors]

Theo was a 3-star role player who has worked hard, supported his teammates, and performed his assigned role well for two teams. Joey was a near-5-star who has vastly underperformed the hype; his best season by far was under the Worst Coach Ever, and he has regressed significantly under a Hall of Fame coach. You love talking about recruiting rankings; by that measure, Joey has been one of the biggest recent failures in college basketball.

It was a white Scooper, not teammates, who nicknamed him Vanilla Soft Serve, and it's a fitting nickname for a pouty loser who quit on his team in the middle of a promising season.

As a Marquette alum, I'm proud of Theo John, who earned his degree in 4 years, who was on the BE All-Academic Team, who worked hard for our basketball team, and who recognized the importance of speaking for equity in a country plagued by systemic racism.

Great, now he can take his talent to Bulgaria, aina?

[Elonsmusk]

...and yet you wanted Markus to shoot at Creighton.

Yes.  Or to at least be on the floor, instead of Joe Chartouney as a shooting threat.