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Title: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: tower912 on November 13, 2021, 10:24:28 AM
Jamal Cain had 14 and 12, leading Oakland to an upset over OK State.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: brewcity77 on November 13, 2021, 10:34:14 AM
Cain getting revenge for last year.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: mileskishnish72 on November 13, 2021, 11:52:47 AM
Theo had 5 pts. and 2 rebounds in 22 min. vs. UK. Garcia 12/9 in 29 min.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: MU82 on November 13, 2021, 12:51:02 PM
Cain getting revenge for last year.

Oakland was a perfect landing spot for Cain. It's been a pretty solid program over the years, and it's a level where his skill can stand out. I wish him great success.

Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: Galway Eagle on November 13, 2021, 01:04:06 PM
Who all is included on this?

Dawson
Theo
Cain
J Hauser
McEwen
Perez

Anyone else?
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: MuggsyB on November 13, 2021, 01:12:30 PM
Happy for Jamal.  Of course I wish he stayed but I have tremendous respect for him and the way he conducted himself while at MU.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: Lennys Tap on November 13, 2021, 01:23:11 PM
Oakland was a perfect landing spot for Cain. It's been a pretty solid program over the years, and it's a level where his skill can stand out. I wish him great success.

+1
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: tower912 on November 13, 2021, 01:30:53 PM
Who all is included on this?

Dawson
Theo
Cain
J Hauser
McEwen
Perez

Anyone else?
Torrence.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on November 13, 2021, 01:36:40 PM
Torrence.

Dexter, how quickly Scoop forgets the next coming of DWade.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: MU82 on November 13, 2021, 02:12:55 PM
Who all is included on this?

Dawson
Theo
Cain
J Hauser
McEwen
Perez

Anyone else?

O'Tule, for sure!
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: Norm on November 13, 2021, 05:04:44 PM
Happy for Jamal.  Of course I wish he stayed but I have tremendous respect for him and the way he conducted himself while at MU.
+1
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: panda on November 13, 2021, 05:15:40 PM
Superbar
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: BCHoopster on November 13, 2021, 05:22:32 PM
Superbar
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Akanno 1 point but the player I am interested in Tyresse Hunter, 9 points and 7 assists in 29 minutes at Iowa St
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: Billy Hoyle on November 13, 2021, 06:05:36 PM
Dawson has scored over $600k in NIL deals, in addition to 9.5 ppg and 7.5 rpg against two low majors.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: Norm on November 13, 2021, 06:16:30 PM
Dawson has scored over $600k in NIL deals, in addition to 9.5 ppg and 7.5 rpg against two low majors.

For what?
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: mug644 on November 13, 2021, 08:11:40 PM
Dawson has scored over $600k in NIL deals, in addition to 9.5 ppg and 7.5 rpg against two low majors.

For what?

For his performance against Georgetown in Jan 2014. Don't you remember how that completely impacted the trajectory of that season, with Dawson becoming THE man?
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: mileskishnish72 on November 13, 2021, 08:19:18 PM
Torrence.

Totally forgot about him.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: Johnny B on November 13, 2021, 08:49:39 PM
Totally forgot about him.
theres a reason alot have. dude is a zero factor at cuse
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: Eye on November 14, 2021, 08:23:33 AM
Little OT, but not a good start for Wardle at Bradley so far this season. 0-2, lost at home by 12 to Pomeroy 247 Howard yesterday, were down 22 with 8 and change left. Howard coached by former Duke player Kenny Blakeney.

McEwen had 16 for Weber, 3-4 2's, 2-2 3's, 4-6 FT, 6 reb, 2 TO, 2 stls, 20 min in season-opener against big-time Harry Tuesday.

(I'm preparing for a college basketball team draft that's being held tonight, 10 guys, pick 10 teams each, guy whose group of 10 wins most games wins pool, 2nd most wins takes 2nd, etc, so have a reason to come across some of these names this morning, MU will likely not be picked BTW).
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: Avenue Commons on November 14, 2021, 10:27:36 AM
Dawson has scored over $600k in NIL deals, in addition to 9.5 ppg and 7.5 rpg against two low majors.

I’m curious where you got the $600k number? Not doubting you, legitimately curious as to source.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: MU82 on November 14, 2021, 01:37:42 PM
Ditto.

Billy, please provide a link showing $600K in NIL for Dawson Garcia.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: muwarrior69 on November 14, 2021, 02:14:44 PM
Well not 600k, but the article does say their NIL deals could be astronomical.

https://www.tarheelblog.com/2021/7/21/22585911/unc-north-carolina-tar-heels-nil-brandr-group-bubba-cunningham-armando-bacot-jimmys-famous-seafood
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: MU82 on November 14, 2021, 05:47:36 PM
Well not 600k
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: 4everwarriors on November 14, 2021, 07:53:26 PM
Well not 600k, but the article does say their NIL deals could be astronomical.

https://www.tarheelblog.com/2021/7/21/22585911/unc-north-carolina-tar-heels-nil-brandr-group-bubba-cunningham-armando-bacot-jimmys-famous-seafood



Sumwon bought da bridge in Brooklynn, aina?
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: Markusquette on November 15, 2021, 07:48:11 PM
Theo making zero impact for Duke so far
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: wadesworld on November 15, 2021, 08:02:59 PM
Theo making zero impact for Duke so far

He’s been exactly what you want in your backup 5.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on November 15, 2021, 08:03:37 PM
Theo making zero impact for Duke so far

Take it you watched 0 minutes of the Kentucky game
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: MUDPT on November 18, 2021, 07:35:55 AM
Jamal with 29 points and 17 rebounds last night.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: Uncle Rico on November 18, 2021, 07:36:22 AM
Jamal with 29 points and 17 rebounds last night.

I think Jamal would have thrived in Shaka’s system
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: MU82 on November 18, 2021, 07:40:07 AM
I think Jamal would have thrived in Shaka’s system

Agreed. Of the 5-year guys, Jamal and Theo would have helped this team. But I'm glad they moved on because it's better for them. And in Theo's case I'm glad he moved on because it was time for Oso to get some run.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: Uncle Rico on November 18, 2021, 07:49:16 AM
Agreed. Of the 5-year guys, Jamal and Theo would have helped this team. But I'm glad they moved on because it's better for them. And in Theo's case I'm glad he moved on because it was time for Oso to get some run.

I’m not sure about Theo on this team because I think he’d foul out a lot.  Kur is better at not fouling
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: tower912 on November 18, 2021, 07:55:41 AM
Prior to Illinois, I missed Theo a little.   After Illinois, never mind.   
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: MU82 on November 18, 2021, 08:09:45 AM
I’m not sure about Theo on this team because I think he’d foul out a lot.  Kur is better at not fouling

Prior to Illinois, I missed Theo a little.   After Illinois, never mind.   

I was saying I'd like them both to make the 5 a deep position ... though I realize that never would have happened. Had Theo stayed, Kuath would have gone elsewhere.

Kur was very bad the first two games. He was very good last game. Hopefully we'll see more of the latter going forward.

As for Theo, I think K is quite satisfied having Theo on his title-contending team.

Again, although I liked what I knew about Theo as an individual, and I mostly liked his contribution to Marquette basketball, I'm glad he moved on.

Back to Unk's original point: Jamal would have been a good Shaka-style player, yes. But I'm glad he moved on, too. He wasn't gonna have a chance at 29-and-17 here.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on November 18, 2021, 08:27:37 AM
I think Jamal would have thrived in Shaka’s system

Absolutely. As I said in another thread, Jamal woulda been a huge piece for this team this year.

But for him, he definitely made the right choice. Good to see him getting his. Especially since he can’t hit a 3 to save his life yet. Numbers might get even better
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: Hards Alumni on November 18, 2021, 08:50:30 AM
Absolutely. As I said in another thread, Jamal woulda been a huge piece for this team this year.

But for him, he definitely made the right choice. Good to see him getting his. Especially since he can’t hit a 3 to save his life yet. Numbers might get even better

Lifetime 36.2% 3 point shooter.  That is pretty decent.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: tower912 on November 18, 2021, 08:54:01 AM
I watched the Oakland-Toledo highlights.  Active on the boards at both ends.  Point guard getting into the paint at will and Jamal moving to the open spots near the basket and finishing with both hands.  He looks like he is having fun.   A completely different tole than at MU.  And could he really thrive in a dribble drive offense?
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: 4everwarriors on November 18, 2021, 09:02:07 AM
Tyme four John ta bid adios, aina?
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on November 18, 2021, 09:11:15 AM
Lifetime 36.2% 3 point shooter.  That is pretty decent.

Yes, I’m talking his stats this year

He’s averaging 19 on 51% from the floor while shooting a ghastly 8% from deep.

That should level out
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: WarriorFan on November 18, 2021, 09:24:43 AM
Theo played because MU had no-one better and because Wojo always wanted one big in the game.  Imagine Coach K's disappointment as he learns that Theo knows very little about basketball after playing 4 years under K's disciple.  In a game against a cupcake he got only 15 minutes.  By the end of the year that will be 5-7.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: tower912 on November 18, 2021, 09:25:37 AM
That is all he needs to be at Duke.    A back up big for when the young guys need a rest or get in foul trouble.   
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on November 18, 2021, 09:41:39 AM
Theo played because MU had no-one better and because Wojo always wanted one big in the game.  Imagine Coach K's disappointment as he learns that Theo knows very little about basketball after playing 4 years under K's disciple.  In a game against a cupcake he got only 15 minutes.  By the end of the year that will be 5-7.

He played 22 min against Kentucky.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: wadesworld on November 18, 2021, 09:44:25 AM
I don't know why people at Scoop think Coach K and/or Theo thought he'd go from a 5 points per game/20 minutes per game guy over 4 years at Marquette to being some college basketball superstar at Duke in one year.

I'm fairly confident Coach K and Theo are both getting exactly what they both expected in this situation.  I don't think they were expecting Theo to be a guy who could push Paolo Banchero to the bench.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: MU82 on November 18, 2021, 10:12:58 AM
I don't know why people at Scoop think Coach K and/or Theo thought he'd go from a 5 points per game/20 minutes per game guy over 4 years at Marquette to being some college basketball superstar at Duke in one year.

I'm fairly confident Coach K and Theo are both getting exactly what they both expected in this situation.  I don't think they were expecting Theo to be a guy who could push Paolo Banchero to the bench.

Yep. K is getting exactly what he thought he would out of Theo, who is a valuable part of the rotation for a team with legit national title aspirations.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: jfp61 on November 18, 2021, 10:15:52 AM
He played 22 min against Kentucky.

Kentucky was worse than Wojo's Marquette last year.

Theo thing is weird because he thought there would be money for him in Europe that wasn't there (partly pandemic driven). So he'll get an above average NIL stake from Duke, raise his profile, and hope to have a good season in a system he knows. His hope is probably to out play Mark Williams, thought I doubt it happens.

Garcia is the weirder one to me, not that he left, but that he chose UNC. UNC kinda sucks. 84-34 and now 51 in Ken pom since 2019. Brady Manek is easily a player that can play him off the court if he gets hot. Armando Bacots gotten off to a great start. In a small 3 game sample size but Garcia has the worst offensive rating in the rotation, and I know from the eye test all last season hes better on offense than on defense. He also really doesnt fit an uptempo style that he has at UNC right now, nor the style he would have had to play at MU. Unless he gets wet as a trailing big man from 3,I really dont see his role to becoming a 2022 NBA pick, which had to have been the goal. I guess at least he isnt out recruited for next year, and he'll get to play some 5 his Jr year? I guess I'm surprised he didn't go become the face of MN or go to a school that "needed" him to be the face of the front court.

Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: MU82 on November 18, 2021, 10:18:46 AM
Kentucky was worse than Wojo's Marquette last year.

Theo thing is weird because he thought there would be money for him in Europe that wasn't there (partly pandemic driven). So he'll get an above average NIL stake from Duke, raise his profile, and hope to have a good season in a system he knows. His hope is probably to out play Mark Williams, thought I doubt it happens.

Garcia is the weirder one to me, not that he left, but that he chose UNC. UNC kinda sucks. 84-34 and now 51 in Ken pom since 2019. Brady Manek is easily a player that can play him off the court if he gets hot. Armando Bacots gotten off to a great start. In a small 3 game sample size but Garcia has the worst offensive rating in the rotation, and I know from the eye test all last season hes better on offense than on defense. He also really doesnt fit an uptempo style that he has at UNC right now, nor the style he would have had to play at MU. Unless he gets wet as a trailing big man from 3,I really dont see his role to becoming a 2022 NBA pick, which had to have been the goal. I guess at least he isnt out recruited for next year, and he'll get to play some 5 his Jr year? I guess I'm surprised he didn't go become the face of MN or go to a school that "needed" him to be the face of the front court.

Interesting observations about Garcia. I wish him well.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on November 18, 2021, 10:20:31 AM
I don't think the Theo thing is weird at all.  He gets a chance for a national championship and as you said raise his profile for a better deal in Europe.  Coach K gets a guy who works hard and can be a senior-leader type.

Dawson chose UNC because he was promised NIL $$$.  But yeah....he's been pretty bad so far.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: Markusquette on November 18, 2021, 10:37:10 AM
Theo played because MU had no-one better and because Wojo always wanted one big in the game.  Imagine Coach K's disappointment as he learns that Theo knows very little about basketball after playing 4 years under K's disciple.  In a game against a cupcake he got only 15 minutes.  By the end of the year that will be 5-7.

I feel like Theo should have been a lot better given his stature. He often played smaller than he is.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: Herman Cain on November 18, 2021, 10:40:20 AM
Koby McEwen off to a nice start at Weber State.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: zcg2013 on November 18, 2021, 11:35:34 AM
Meanwhile, Dexter Akanno is struggle for Ok State. We will always have those summer highlights though.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: JakeBarnes on November 18, 2021, 11:41:21 AM
Meanwhile, Dexter Akanno is struggle for Ok State. We will always have those summer highlights though.

He's a ghost in the OK state box score. It's like he doesn't even play there.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: zcg2013 on November 18, 2021, 12:53:40 PM
He's a ghost in the OK state box score. It's like he doesn't even play there.

Ugh, wrong O State school. Silly me. Would think I remember Oregon State since they had that crazy run in the tournament last year.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: Markusquette on November 18, 2021, 02:28:05 PM
Torrence is shooting 14% in 19mpg
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: Johnny B on November 18, 2021, 02:40:45 PM
Torrence is shooting 14% in 19mpg
wow crazy he was a top 60ish recruit
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: Galway Eagle on November 18, 2021, 02:56:59 PM
wow crazy he was a top 60ish recruit

And I could be wrong but that after he reclassified? Wasn't he higher for his year?
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: panda on November 18, 2021, 03:09:13 PM
Kentucky was worse than Wojo's Marquette last year.

Theo thing is weird because he thought there would be money for him in Europe that wasn't there (partly pandemic driven). So he'll get an above average NIL stake from Duke, raise his profile, and hope to have a good season in a system he knows. His hope is probably to out play Mark Williams, thought I doubt it happens.

Garcia is the weirder one to me, not that he left, but that he chose UNC. UNC kinda sucks. 84-34 and now 51 in Ken pom since 2019. Brady Manek is easily a player that can play him off the court if he gets hot. Armando Bacots gotten off to a great start. In a small 3 game sample size but Garcia has the worst offensive rating in the rotation, and I know from the eye test all last season hes better on offense than on defense. He also really doesnt fit an uptempo style that he has at UNC right now, nor the style he would have had to play at MU. Unless he gets wet as a trailing big man from 3,I really dont see his role to becoming a 2022 NBA pick, which had to have been the goal. I guess at least he isnt out recruited for next year, and he'll get to play some 5 his Jr year? I guess I'm surprised he didn't go become the face of MN or go to a school that "needed" him to be the face of the front court.

Too lazy to look up when he committed to UNC vs. when Manek committed, but he will really struggle to get into rhythm playing with Manek and Bacot. Last season, Walker Kessler (top 20 recruit) was the odd man out of the UNC big rotation. Maybe the same with Dawson this year? He's not going to beat out Bacot and I think he'd struggle playing with Manek.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: brewcity77 on November 18, 2021, 03:56:45 PM
And I could be wrong but that after he reclassified? Wasn't he higher for his year?

I believe he was in the 40s when he reclassified. For some reason 41 is stuck in my head, but that might be wrong.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: warriorchick on November 18, 2021, 04:10:06 PM
I don't think the Theo thing is weird at all.  He gets a chance for a national championship and as you said raise his profile for a better deal in Europe. 

Not to mention a Masters Degree from Duke.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: JTJ3 on November 18, 2021, 04:23:13 PM
Im pretty sure Symir and Dawson were pretty similarly rated in that 2020 class before Symir reclassed.  So somewhere around 40 sounds right.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: Norm on November 19, 2021, 09:47:28 PM
Jamal Cain with a double-double tonight in Oakland's loss to Alabama - 31 points and 10 rebounds.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: Herman Cain on November 19, 2021, 09:51:29 PM
Jamal Cain with a double-double tonight in Oakland's loss to Alabama - 31 points and 10 rebounds.
happy for Jamal’s success
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: DoctorV on November 19, 2021, 10:36:46 PM
Jamal Cain with a double-double tonight in Oakland's loss to Alabama - 31 points and 10 rebounds.

Wish he has another season to transfer back 😂
I’m sure most of us are surprised that he’s doing THAT well, but not surprised he’s taken a huge step up.

Hope he keeps it up and gets to play in the association, I can see it.

Very surprising Greg stayed and he left, they are very close as most here know.

Also, not to disparage Olivier but yes he would have taken most of OMax minutes and woulda made this team a legit sweet 16 team, but hindsight is dangerous. 

Jamal is also an awesome dude and great representative for MU, love to see it
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: DoctorV on November 19, 2021, 11:47:43 PM
Koby McEwen 30 pts 5 reb tonight for 4-0 Weber State.

Averaging over 20ppg on the young season shooting over 60% from 3.

Nice start for him and Weber State!
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: Golden Avalanche on November 20, 2021, 10:49:04 AM
Koby McEwen 30 pts 5 reb tonight for 4-0 Weber State.

Averaging over 20ppg on the young season shooting over 60% from 3.

Nice start for him and Weber State!

Something about playing for a Utah school gets his game revving.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: forgetful on November 20, 2021, 11:25:02 AM
Wish he has another season to transfer back 😂
I’m sure most of us are surprised that he’s doing THAT well, but not surprised he’s taken a huge step up.


Koby McEwen 30 pts 5 reb tonight for 4-0 Weber State.

Averaging over 20ppg on the young season shooting over 60% from 3.

Nice start for him and Weber State!

Some kids really don't work well with certain coaches and systems. I don't think Cain and McEwen were good matches for Wojo and his system.

I actually think both would have thrived in Shaka's system, but also understand the desire/need to start fresh (for everyone involved).
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on November 20, 2021, 03:30:46 PM
Some kids really don't work well with certain coaches and systems. I don't think Cain and McEwen were good matches for Wojo and his system.

I actually think both would have thrived in Shaka's system, but also understand the desire/need to start fresh (for everyone involved).

Has much as Koby drove me nuts during his time here. I do think he woulda fit really well with what Shaka wants to do.

Glad with what we got though
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: DoctorV on November 20, 2021, 07:08:58 PM
Dawson Garcia led the way today for UNC in a losing effort versus Purdue

26 pts 8 reb on 10-13 from the field.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: JakeBarnes on November 20, 2021, 07:12:13 PM
Dawson Garcia led the way today for UNC in a losing effort versus Purdue

26 pts 8 reb on 10-13 from the field.

Looked good on O. Definitely gave up some easy looks at the end
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: Herman Cain on November 20, 2021, 07:17:19 PM
Sy with 5 points in 11 minutes in The Cuse loss to Colgate
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: VanderBlueFanClub on November 20, 2021, 08:05:22 PM
Garcia just had 26 and 8 against #6 Purdue. Nice outing, still rather have JLew though.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: DoctorV on November 20, 2021, 08:16:33 PM
Jose Perez
14 pts, 7 ast, 4 reb for a good Manhattan team, solid mid major with tourney aspirations
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on November 20, 2021, 08:19:59 PM
Jose Perez
14 pts, 7 ast, 4 reb for a good Manhattan team, solid mid major with tourney aspirations

Jose would have been a poor, poor fit with Shaka.

But I think he was better than he showed here last year.  He had Covid and was clearly out of shape. 
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: pbiflyer on November 20, 2021, 09:33:05 PM
No Joey for MSU today. Hurt?
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: Lennys Tap on November 20, 2021, 09:51:43 PM
No Joey for MSU today. Hurt?

Yes
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: Uncle Rico on November 21, 2021, 07:54:35 AM
https://twitter.com/oaklandmbb/status/1462199352492019716?s=21
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: MUfan12 on November 21, 2021, 07:57:51 AM
I'm really happy for Jamal. It's a shame he wasn't able to build the confidence to do this here.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: Elonsmusk on November 21, 2021, 11:54:10 AM
Wish he has another season to transfer back 😂
I’m sure most of us are surprised that he’s doing THAT well, but not surprised he’s taken a huge step up.

Hope he keeps it up and gets to play in the association, I can see it.

Very surprising Greg stayed and he left, they are very close as most here know.

Also, not to disparage Olivier but yes he would have taken most of OMax minutes and woulda made this team a legit sweet 16 team, but hindsight is dangerous. 

Jamal is also an awesome dude and great representative for MU, love to see it

100% agree with this analysis.  Not the least bit surprised to see Jamal thrive playing for a different coach. IMO Wojo shattered Jamal's confidence sophomore year.  Actually, as you scroll this thread we see all of our former players seem to be doing better at their new stops.

Jamal stands a solid chance of ending up in the NBA.  He was the one guy I was hopeful we could retain from last year's team - even more so than Garcia.  Jamal would have fit in perfectly on this team/Shaka's style.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: MU82 on November 21, 2021, 12:02:38 PM
IMO Wojo shattered Jamal's confidence sophomore year.  Actually, as you scroll this thread we see all of our former players seem to be doing better at their new stops.


Here we go. You're back with recycled takes.

The ex-MU players who are doing better at their new stops are guys who moved down a level and became big dogs at their new digs. At UNC, Garcia has underperformed by about 50% compared to his Marquette numbers. At Duke, Theo is, relatively speaking, a bit player. At Michigan State, Joey has regressed so far under his Hall of Fame coach that I'd feel sorry for him if he didn't lead a mutiny at Marquette.

I do agree that Jamal would have done well in Shaka's system. But he wouldn't be averaging anywhere near 20 and 10. He'd be a role player fighting for time among similar players. I am happy for his success at Oakland; I always liked him.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on November 21, 2021, 12:39:52 PM
100% agree with this analysis.  Not the least bit surprised to see Jamal thrive playing for a different coach. IMO Wojo shattered Jamal's confidence sophomore year.  Actually, as you scroll this thread we see all of our former players seem to be doing better at their new stops.

Jamal stands a solid chance of ending up in the NBA.  He was the one guy I was hopeful we could retain from last year's team - even more so than Garcia.  Jamal would have fit in perfectly on this team/Shaka's style.


Jamal is taking almost a third of their shots and is shooting 15% from 3. His usage is positively Markusesque on a very young team.

He would have been nice on this team but he isn’t an NBA player.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: JakeBarnes on November 21, 2021, 12:49:44 PM
100% agree with this analysis.  Not the least bit surprised to see Jamal thrive playing for a different coach. IMO Wojo shattered Jamal's confidence sophomore year.  Actually, as you scroll this thread we see all of our former players seem to be doing better at their new stops.

Jamal stands a solid chance of ending up in the NBA.  He was the one guy I was hopeful we could retain from last year's team - even more so than Garcia.  Jamal would have fit in perfectly on this team/Shaka's style.

I don't normally jump in for the "mind games" stuff, but not surprising to see Jamal have success in a system where he isn't looking over his shoulder because he's pulled every time he makes a minor mistake.

Was a big fan of Jamal when he was here. Glad he is having success. Could see him getting a cup of coffee in The League at some point as a 3 and D player
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: panda on November 21, 2021, 02:00:02 PM
I don't normally jump in for the "mind games" stuff, but not surprising to see Jamal have success in a system where he isn't looking over his shoulder because he's pulled every time he makes a minor mistake.

Was a big fan of Jamal when he was here. Glad he is having success. Could see him getting a cup of coffee in The League at some point as a 3 and D player

He was criminally mis-utilized and punished for the smallest mistakes. Out of all the transfers, I’m most happy to see Jamal on a team which lets him play to his strengths and seeing him succeed.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: tower912 on November 21, 2021, 02:04:35 PM
I think Wojo's devotion to the Hausers hurt Jamal the most.   Playing Joey 30 mpg as a freshman was bad for the team and bad for Joey.  Jamal had progressed through his freshman year and was shunted aside. Jamal, Joey, and Bailey were clearly held to different standards.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: 21Jumpstreet on November 21, 2021, 05:19:56 PM
https://twitter.com/oaklandmbb/status/1462199352492019716?s=21

Love Jamal
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: JWags85 on November 21, 2021, 05:31:34 PM
He was criminally mis-utilized and punished for the smallest mistakes. Out of all the transfers, I’m most happy to see Jamal on a team which lets him play to his strengths and seeing him succeed.

Other than Markus, Jamal was one of the few players on those teams that had a reliable shot that gave you confidence as a fan.  I'm thinking of his mid range jumper, usually from the elbow.  It was smooth, repeatable, and pure.  But yet as the team struggled to find offense, he still found himself nailed to the bench.  It was absurd.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: Jockey on November 21, 2021, 06:14:51 PM
Loved watching Cain. One of my faves of the last decade.

But, Fluff is right. He's not an NBA player. But if he wants to go to Europe, he will be very well off in life.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: WarriorFan on November 22, 2021, 01:05:54 PM
What Jamal has done is smart.  He's getting minutes and the ball and that will lead to a higher salary next year in Europe.  He's got no chance in the NBA because he still cannot dribble, but he'll be able to play at a high level somewhere because he can shoot, rebound, and defend. 
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: Herman Cain on November 22, 2021, 03:07:46 PM
Dexter getting 12 minutes a game for Oregon State. Had one start so far. Averaging 2 ppg.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: brewcity77 on November 22, 2021, 03:09:37 PM
Jamal Cain with 22 points and 16 rebounds as Oakland upsets Vermont in the Gulf Coast Showcase.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: Herman Cain on November 22, 2021, 03:31:27 PM
Jamal Cain with 22 points and 16 rebounds as Oakland upsets Vermont in the Gulf Coast Showcase.
Very happy for Jamal.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on November 22, 2021, 04:11:47 PM
After 5 games, Jamal is playing 36 mpg, with a 31% usage.

And has zero assists.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on November 22, 2021, 04:29:47 PM
After 5 games, Jamal is playing 36 mpg, with a 31% usage.

And has zero assists.

Now that’s an incredible stat.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: tower912 on November 22, 2021, 04:32:21 PM
Not really
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on November 22, 2021, 05:00:56 PM
After 5 games, Jamal is playing 36 mpg, with a 31% usage.

And has zero assists.

Good for Jamal. His DR% is incredible. But he is shooting 20% from three. I always said he was a power forward in a shooting forward’s body. Glad he found his level.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: Herman Cain on November 22, 2021, 05:05:07 PM
After 5 games, Jamal is playing 36 mpg, with a 31% usage.

And has zero assists.
His new coach wanted Jamal to be Batman . So he gave him the keys to the Batmobile.
https://www.macombdaily.com/2021/11/09/newcomer-cain-in-batman-role-for-oakland-basketball/

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/proxy/J0cxntmqt6DAlknPhgXuRQpOnk4jzSVYbloROb49AyRxlZWhjWdst07CTJvo4AALlAODMQ4qavYSil3ItwRk4jbkZDqBZ-v4pShKEFt0vg)
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: MU82 on November 22, 2021, 06:33:25 PM
Not really

Jamal was always terrible with the ball -- couldn't dribble, made bad passes. But it's still surprising that he hasn't accidentally had a few assists, especially the way some stat crews hand out assists.

What I'm surprised is that his 3-point percentage isn't higher, because he was a 38% shooter over 4 years with us, including .343 as a decent-usage guy as a senior (averaged 3.7 attempts; only averaging 1 more than that now).

Anyway, I'm genuinely glad he's having success after stepping down a level.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: VanderBlueFanClub on November 23, 2021, 09:18:03 AM
Other than Markus, Jamal was one of the few players on those teams that had a reliable shot that gave you confidence as a fan.  I'm thinking of his mid range jumper, usually from the elbow.  It was smooth, repeatable, and pure.  But yet as the team struggled to find offense, he still found himself nailed to the bench.  It was absurd.

Personally, I think JLew has a more reliable mid-range shot now, but in Cain's so-called 'prime', he had a very reliable shot. And by the end of last year he had a nice turn-around fade-away shot as well.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: Skip Intro on November 23, 2021, 03:28:53 PM
Torrence is shooting 14% in 19mpg

I watched the Syracuse/Colgate game over the weekend - Torrence didn't play a lot, but you can see why.  While he may not have seemed overly athletic on MU's roster, he was definitely one of the more athletic SU players when he was on the floor.  However, he missed some ridiculously close bunnies.   I think his last play was a particularly bone-headed foul - he and another defender had the ballhandler completely trapped in a full-court press, and Symir decides to hack at the ball (and the guy's arm) trying for a steal.  The camera cut to Boeheim with a pained look on his face and his hands in the air - probably not what he expected from a junior.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: Elonsmusk on November 24, 2021, 08:46:29 AM
Jamal logs his first assist last night in 76-73 win over Rice.  19 points, 5 rebounds, 8-8 shooting on 2 pt FG, 1-5 from 3.  4 TO's.

Jamal was never a selfish player at MU.  He's doing what his coach at Oakland wants, and ultimately why he went to Oakland - to be the featured player.  I suspect Oakland's coach laid out the Kendrick Nunn recruiting plan.

Jamal will continue to get stronger, better with the ball, and he's still relatively young at 22.  I won't be surprised in the least if he gets some interest/possibly lands on an NBA roster in the next 2 years.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on November 24, 2021, 09:23:01 AM
I agree, Jamal has always been my top candidate to be the next surprise MU alum in the Association ala Dwight Buycks/JTA
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: NCMUFan on November 24, 2021, 09:29:12 AM
I think Wojo's devotion to the Hausers hurt Jamal the most.   Playing Joey 30 mpg as a freshman was bad for the team and bad for Joey.  Jamal had progressed through his freshman year and was shunted aside. Jamal, Joey, and Bailey were clearly held to different standards.
My guess Wojo was concerned to keep Joey happy so Joey would stay and hence Sam.  But regardless, the Hauser's left.
Probably Brendan and Jamal were forced more in the spotlight with no Sam to now play alongside.  Sam made everyone look better.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: cheebs09 on November 24, 2021, 10:29:16 AM
Is Jamal doing anything different than he was at MU? He was a good spot up shooter who added a mid-range jumper to his game. He was also able to get some rebounds.

The counting stats look great, but it doesn’t seem like he’s efficient in getting them. I don’t blame Wojo for focusing on Markus and Sam over getting Jamal more involved. He kind of always seemed overmatched strength wise and did not have the ball handling skills to be more than a spot up shooter.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: brewcity77 on November 24, 2021, 10:33:36 AM
Is Jamal doing anything different than he was at MU? He was a good spot up shooter who added a mid-range jumper to his game. He was also able to get some rebounds.

The counting stats look great, but it doesn’t seem like he’s efficient in getting them. I don’t blame Wojo for focusing on Markus and Sam over getting Jamal more involved. He kind of always seemed overmatched strength wise and did not have the ball handling skills to be more than a spot up shooter.

He's been pretty efficient. His 3PFG% sucks, but he's at 64.9% from 2 and still has an eFG of 54.8%, which is good. His efficiency is a touch lower than the past two years, but his usage is way up, so that's to be expected. He's probably going to run roughshod over the Horizon.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: tower912 on November 24, 2021, 10:53:31 AM
When I have watched him, he has a really good PG.  Jamal is slipping into open spots near the basket, getting the pass, and finishing.  Both hands.  Just different than what i was used to seeing.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: wadesworld on November 24, 2021, 10:54:55 AM
Jamal was a worse ball handler than most guards you'll see in the Padre Serra tournament.  He's a career 36% three point shooter from college range, but when his volume went up the last two years his percentage has gone down significantly (34% last year and 20% this year).  He's not exactly a lockdown defender, and isn't a high energy, glue guy type player.  I'm not sure what there is to think he'll play in the NBA, other than being the best player at Oakland University.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: panda on November 24, 2021, 07:24:03 PM
Not a former MU player, but figured this would fit here.

Man tyrese hunter is a player.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on November 24, 2021, 07:56:29 PM
Not a former MU player, but figured this would fit here.

Man tyrese hunter is a player.

Wojo cooled on him
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: forgetful on November 24, 2021, 09:39:38 PM
Not a former MU player, but figured this would fit here.

Man tyrese hunter is a player.

Maybe Shaka can convince him to transfer back to MU.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: MUfan12 on November 24, 2021, 10:31:33 PM
Maybe Shaka can convince him to transfer back to MU.

Man, I'd love that. A major miss from the prior regime.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: nyg on November 25, 2021, 07:18:13 AM
Man, I'd love that. A major miss from the prior regime.

Why is this Hunter recruitment issue always brought up?  Hunter was offered before Mitchell and had every opportunity to commit to MU prior to committing to Iowa State.  I believe the MU Scooper who said MU was his "dream school", but why he did not commit is unknown to all.

Hunter committed to Iowa State on 8/4/20, then the very next day, 8/5/20, Mitchell committed to MU.  As I read that, I am presuming Hunter was the #1 priority and when he turned down MU, they went with option #2 with Mitchell. 

Hunter looks like a very nice player and probably deserving of his #35 ranking in Rivals, Mitchell was ranked #83 and has displayed potential to be a good rotation player in MU's future. 
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on November 25, 2021, 07:28:32 AM
Why is this Hunter recruitment issue always brought up?  Hunter was offered before Mitchell and had every opportunity to commit to MU prior to committing to Iowa State.  I believe the MU Scooper who said MU was his "dream school", but why he did not commit is unknown to all.

Hunter committed to Iowa State on 8/4/20, then the very next day, 8/5/20, Mitchell committed to MU.  As I read that, I am presuming Hunter was the #1 priority and when he turned down MU, they went with option #2 with Mitchell. 

Hunter looks like a very nice player and probably deserving of his #35 ranking in Rivals, Mitchell was ranked #83 and has displayed potential to be a good rotation player in MU's future. 


From TedBaxter, who knows recruiting pretty well.

https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=61522.msg1315323#msg1315323

"No, the truth is that Marquette recruited Hunter as hard or harder than anyone in this class.  The person I talk to talks to coaches, including St. Cat's Nick Bennett.  Tyrese felt Iowa State was a better fit."

So the real questions are...

1. Would Tyrese have felt better with Shaka?  (A complete hypothetical.) and

2  When is Marquette going to stop letting Wisconsin players named Tyrese go to Iowa State?
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: cheebs09 on November 25, 2021, 07:38:02 AM
I believe a poster here taught at Hunter’s high school and said MU was his dream school. Wojo might have been first to offer, but he took a long time to do it.

A thought is Wojo waited too long to offer and that led him to go to Iowa State. Not sure if it’s accurate, but one of the reasons people view it as a miss for Wojo.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: Uncle Rico on November 25, 2021, 07:45:29 AM
We should rehire Wojo and fire him again for this
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: nyg on November 25, 2021, 07:53:19 AM

From TedBaxter, who knows recruiting pretty well.

https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=61522.msg1315323#msg1315323

"No, the truth is that Marquette recruited Hunter as hard or harder than anyone in this class.  The person I talk to talks to coaches, including St. Cat's Nick Bennett.  Tyrese felt Iowa State was a better fit."

So the real questions are...

1. Would Tyrese have felt better with Shaka?  (A complete hypothetical.) and

2  When is Marquette going to stop letting Wisconsin players named Tyrese go to Iowa State?

Hypothetical-correct.  Since Wojo is mentioned in every topic/thread on this board and is blamed for everything.

Hunter had every opportunity to attend MU and was not offered late.  No one knows why, but I'll go with Ted Baxter's knowledge/insight. 

Once Wojo left, Hunter could have left Iowa State since Iowa State also made a coaching change if he wanted to feel better with Shaka.  Wish Hunter well, he made his choice, but I also hope Mitchell improves as the year goes on. 
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on November 25, 2021, 08:03:41 AM
I believe a poster here taught at Hunter’s high school and said MU was his dream school. Wojo might have been first to offer, but he took a long time to do it.


That’s a pretty lame criticism. Just because a school is your hypothetical “dream school” that doesn’t mean it is ultimately the best one after you rationally look at the alternatives.

But it was a recruiting miss for Wojo no doubt. And many other coaches as welll.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: Skatastrophy on November 25, 2021, 08:58:17 AM
We should rehire Wojo
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: wadesworld on November 25, 2021, 11:06:07 AM
So Hunter felt so spurned that MU waited so long to offer him that he went…to a school that waited even longer to offer him?

Checks out.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on November 25, 2021, 12:13:27 PM
Jamal was a worse ball handler than most guards you'll see in the Padre Serra tournament.  He's a career 36% three point shooter from college range, but when his volume went up the last two years his percentage has gone down significantly (34% last year and 20% this year).  He's not exactly a lockdown defender, and isn't a high energy, glue guy type player.  I'm not sure what there is to think he'll play in the NBA, other than being the best player at Oakland University.

Well

Under the hypothetical scenario he does make the NBA. He’s not gonna be taking high volume 3s..
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: wadesworld on November 25, 2021, 12:18:54 PM
Well

Under the hypothetical scenario he does make the NBA. He’s not gonna be taking high volume 3s..

Agreed. So what, exactly, is it that he brings to an NBA team?
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: Elonsmusk on November 25, 2021, 12:21:01 PM
Jamal with another monster game last night:

28 points, 9 rebounds, 3 steals, 4 TOs.  Shot 8-9 from 2 and 2-3 from 3.

For those referencing his 20% 3-pt shooting percentage prior to last night's game, that's absurd.  He will end up shooting 35-40% from 3 for the year. 

Jamal can be a 3 and D NBA player.  I'd put his NBA chances at 80% in the next two years.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: panda on November 25, 2021, 01:02:14 PM
Jamal with another monster game last night:

28 points, 9 rebounds, 3 steals, 4 TOs.  Shot 8-9 from 2 and 2-3 from 3.

For those referencing his 20% 3-pt shooting percentage prior to last night's game, that's absurd.  He will end up shooting 35-40% from 3 for the year. 

Jamal can be a 3 and D NBA player.  I'd put his NBA chances at 80% in the next two years.

For comparison sake, Sam Hauser is an infinitely better ball player than Jamal is and he’s on a two way deal.

Jamal ain’t makin the league and that’s not a slight to him at all.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: wadesworld on November 25, 2021, 01:05:07 PM
For comparison sake, Sam Hauser is an infinitely better ball player than Jamal is and he’s on a two way deal.

Jamal ain’t makin the league and that’s not a slight to him at all.

Yeah. I mean Sam is on a 2 way deal and Markus is only on a roster because injuries over the past two years. Yet people apparently think Jamal’s shooting give him an 80% chance to be on an NBA roster over the next 2 years.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: Billy Hoyle on November 25, 2021, 01:08:55 PM
Jamal with another monster game last night:

28 points, 9 rebounds, 3 steals, 4 TOs.  Shot 8-9 from 2 and 2-3 from 3.

For those referencing his 20% 3-pt shooting percentage prior to last night's game, that's absurd.  He will end up shooting 35-40% from 3 for the year. 

Jamal can be a 3 and D NBA player.  I'd put his NBA chances at 80% in the next two years.

The Netherlands Basketball Association. Yeah, I can see that, but maybe not at 80%.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: Tha Hound on November 25, 2021, 01:11:33 PM
Jamal with another monster game last night:

28 points, 9 rebounds, 3 steals, 4 TOs.  Shot 8-9 from 2 and 2-3 from 3.

For those referencing his 20% 3-pt shooting percentage prior to last night's game, that's absurd.  He will end up shooting 35-40% from 3 for the year. 

Jamal can be a 3 and D NBA player.  I'd put his NBA chances at 80% in the next two years.

How much you want on that? No disrespect but that is absolutely insane
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: MU82 on November 25, 2021, 01:23:05 PM
3 & D?

Jamal doesn't even have a very good percentage from the college 3. And he was an average to poor defender at the P6 level.

I won't say "never." See: Anderson, Juan. But I would be willing to bet against it.

Cain's a fine Horizon League player, though. Probably even all-Horizon.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on November 25, 2021, 02:23:12 PM
I agree that Jamal will get a cup of coffee in the NBA, but 80% in next two years is too rich for my blood. Think he takes the JTA path
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: willie warrior on November 25, 2021, 04:55:26 PM
Hypothetical-correct.  Since Wojo is mentioned in every topic/thread on this board and is blamed for everything.

Hunter had every opportunity to attend MU and was not offered late.  No one knows why, but I'll go with Ted Baxter's knowledge/insight. 

Once Wojo left, Hunter could have left Iowa State since Iowa State also made a coaching change if he wanted to feel better with Shaka.  Wish Hunter well, he made his choice, but I also hope Mitchell improves as the year goes on.
Wojo-Dukiet should be blamed for everything because he was mediocre at best and blew Hausergate big time
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: Uncle Rico on November 25, 2021, 05:09:43 PM
Wojo-Dukiet should be blamed for everything because he was mediocre at best and blew Hausergate big time

Joey Hauser blows
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: 4everwarriors on November 25, 2021, 05:10:47 PM
Crean sucks
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: Elonsmusk on November 25, 2021, 07:30:18 PM
For comparison sake, Sam Hauser is an infinitely better ball player than Jamal is and he’s on a two way deal.

Jamal ain’t makin the league and that’s not a slight to him at all.

Sam may get called up/see time in the NBA.  Sam has a better rounded game, however Jamal is an infinitely better athlete, and the NBA requires elite athleticism.  Jamal is also 16 months younger than Sam.
3 & D?

Jamal doesn't even have a very good percentage from the college 3. And he was an average to poor defender at the P6 level.


Fiction

How much you want on that? No disrespect but that is absolutely insane

What odds do you want to offer?  Given its absolutely insane i'd imagine you'd offer something like 5 to 1?
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: wadesworld on November 25, 2021, 07:31:29 PM
Sam may get called up/see time in the NBA.  Sam has a better rounded game, however Jamal is an infinitely better athlete, and the NBA requires elite athleticism.  Jamal is also 16 months younger than Sam.
Fiction

What odds do you want to offer?  Given its absolutely insane i'd imagine you'd offer something like 5 to 1?

80% chance of it happening seems like you’d be giving the other side some pretty good odds.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on November 25, 2021, 07:32:20 PM
Jamal has pretty average athleticism for the NBA. He’s going to need to be a better shooter or defender than he’s shown to date.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: wadesworld on November 25, 2021, 07:37:26 PM
Jamal has pretty average athleticism for the NBA. He’s going to need to be a better shooter or defender than he’s shown to date.

Yeah. He’s good jumping off two feet. He’s about as quick laterally as Joey Hauser, and not much faster straight line running either. And he’s not physical.

A good Horizon League player.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: JTJ3 on November 25, 2021, 08:10:18 PM
Does the NBA Summer League count?
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: Elonsmusk on November 25, 2021, 08:42:45 PM
80% chance of it happening seems like you’d be giving the other side some pretty good odds.

Considering the individual said it was insane to think Jamal could make the NBA, that's essentially saying 100+% he won't make it.  What percentage chance would give Jamal to make an NBA roster?

Does the NBA Summer League count?

No from my perspective.  I'm talking he makes an NBA regular season roster in either the 2022 or 2023 seasons.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: panda on November 25, 2021, 08:53:52 PM
Considering the individual said it was insane to think Jamal could make the NBA, that's essentially saying 100+% he won't make it.  What percentage chance would give Jamal to make an NBA roster?

No from my perspective.  I'm talking he makes an NBA regular season roster in either the 2022 or 2023 seasons.

There is a 0% chance he makes a roster.

Marquette fans now have this romantic idea that any underdog can find their way onto a roster ala JTA. Juan absolutely gritted his way onto a roster but also had a marketing backing as well. Without that factor, he never gets his foot in the door.

He's succeeding at a low major which I love to see, especially with how poorly Wojo managed his talent while he was at MU. But to say he will make an NBA roster because he's had a few good games is ignorant.

Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: MU82 on November 25, 2021, 10:27:23 PM
Fiction

Fact. Jamal was not a good defensive player at Marquette. He lacked the quickness to stay with quick players, lacked the strength to contend with power players.

Sam may get called up/see time in the NBA.  Sam has a better rounded game, however Jamal is an infinitely better athlete, and the NBA requires elite athleticism.

Sam is already an NBA player; he's played in 2 games for the Celtics.

I won't claim that Sam is a better athlete than Jamal, but I will say Sam uses what he has better than Jamal has so far in their basketball careers. Most importantly, Sam is elite at one skill that the NBA values; Jamal has no NBA-level skills, at least none that he's displayed yet.

As for the NBA "requiring elite athleticism," Duncan Robinson recently signed a $90 million contract and Marcus Smart has a $77 million contract. Are they "elite athletes"? Do you think Doncic, Brunson and Jokic are "elite athletes"? Were Bird and Battier "elite athletes"?

I appreciate what Jamal gave to my alma mater and I'm glad he is finding success in the Horizon League. As I and others have said, he is a really nice Horizon League player.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: Elonsmusk on November 26, 2021, 08:38:36 AM
Fact. Jamal was not a good defensive player at Marquette. He lacked the quickness to stay with quick players, lacked the strength to contend with power players.

Sam is already an NBA player; he's played in 2 games for the Celtics.

I won't claim that Sam is a better athlete than Jamal, but I will say Sam uses what he has better than Jamal has so far in their basketball careers. Most importantly, Sam is elite at one skill that the NBA values; Jamal has no NBA-level skills, at least none that he's displayed yet.

As for the NBA "requiring elite athleticism," Duncan Robinson recently signed a $90 million contract and Marcus Smart has a $77 million contract. Are they "elite athletes"? Do you think Doncic, Brunson and Jokic are "elite athletes"? Were Bird and Battier "elite athletes"?

I appreciate what Jamal gave to my alma mater and I'm glad he is finding success in the Horizon League. As I and others have said, he is a really nice Horizon League player.

You are wrong about Jamal's defensive ability.  He was a fantastic help defender at MU - per the system Wojo employed.  Straight up, one on one with a wing player Jamal was a very good defender.  He came in string bean thin as a young for his class freshman.  He's gained considerable strength.  Give him another 16 months of development and I like his prospects for making an NBA roster - considering Sam has now made a roster.

Your point about the non-athletic guys in the NBA is valid, however I would say those are anomalies.  The vast majority of players in the NBA 80+% have elite athleticism vis combination of size, speed, strength, agility, leaping ability.

I fully realize rolling out the take that Jamal has an 80% chance to make an NBA roster within 2 years post grad from Oakland is bold take.  So was telling everyone here 10 games into his head coaching career at MU that Wojo didn't have it.  Some of you of course were still thinking 5 years in that he had the goods.  LMAO.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: Newsdreams on November 26, 2021, 08:46:43 AM
You are wrong about Jamal's defensive ability.  He was a fantastic help defender at MU - per the system Wojo employed.  Straight up, one on one with a wing player Jamal was a very good defender.  He came in string bean thin as a young for his class freshman.  He's gained considerable strength.  Give him another 16 months of development and I like his prospects for making an NBA roster - considering Sam has now made a roster.

Your point about the non-athletic guys in the NBA is valid, however I would say those are anomalies.  The vast majority of players in the NBA 80+% have elite athleticism vis combination of size, speed, strength, agility, leaping ability.

I fully realize rolling out the take that Jamal has an 80% chance to make an NBA roster within 2 years post grad from Oakland is bold take.  So was telling everyone here 10 games into his head coaching career at MU that Wojo didn't have it.  Some of you of course were still thinking 5 years in that he had the goods.  LMAO.
Jamal could dunk in HS.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: Uncle Rico on November 26, 2021, 09:03:31 AM
Jamal could dunk in HS.

Bravo
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on November 26, 2021, 09:04:50 AM
Again, Jamal doesn't have "elite athleticism" a la NBA players.  He showed flashes of it at the P6 level.  But he really isn't shooting any better now than he did at Marquette - he's just shooting a lot more.  And there is a reason his three worst shooting games were against the three P6 teams Oakland has played.

He's a bigger fish in a smaller pond, but he isn't (yet) "better" than he was at Marquette beyond any sort of natural progression that experience provides.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: MU82 on November 26, 2021, 09:09:31 AM
You are wrong about Jamal's defensive ability.  He was a fantastic help defender at MU - per the system Wojo employed.  Straight up, one on one with a wing player Jamal was a very good defender.  He came in string bean thin as a young for his class freshman.  He's gained considerable strength.  Give him another 16 months of development and I like his prospects for making an NBA roster - considering Sam has now made a roster.

Your point about the non-athletic guys in the NBA is valid, however I would say those are anomalies.  The vast majority of players in the NBA 80+% have elite athleticism vis combination of size, speed, strength, agility, leaping ability.

I fully realize rolling out the take that Jamal has an 80% chance to make an NBA roster within 2 years post grad from Oakland is bold take.  So was telling everyone here 10 games into his head coaching career at MU that Wojo didn't have it.  Some of you of course were still thinking 5 years in that he had the goods.  LMAO.

I don't think you really want to go back to old posts made by you as proof of anything. I'll spare you and everybody else some of your takes.

Of course the vast majority of NBA players are elite athletes. Nobody here said differently. Jamal is not an elite athlete, and he was not a very good defender during his time at Marquette. I admit I haven't seen him play at Oakland. Maybe even though he has become a poor outside shooter, he has become an elite NBA-level defender in the Horizon League. I don't know, but I suspect not.

That Sam Hauser has made the Celtics' roster has absolutely nothing to do with Jamal Cain's prospects at making the NBA. I mean, aren't Vander Blue, Jamil Wilson and DJO superior athletes to Sam Hauser? By your thinking, each of them should be in the NBA right now because Sam has made a roster. If only NBA GMs were as smart as Ners!

Again, Sam does one thing better than most people on the planet. It happens to be a skill that is very much in demand in the NBA, so he will get some time to show if he can hit 3s at an NBA level; if he can't, he'll be on his way to Europe. Jamal Cain does not possess that skill. In by far his highest-usage year at Marquette, he shot 34% on college 3s; this year, when he apparently is allowed to shoot whenever and from wherever he wants, he is hitting 24% of his 3s. If you are a skinny small forward who has no other skills that make you stand out among elite athletes, you cannot hope to play in the NBA if you shoot under 35% from 3 ... let alone under 25%.

You hate Wojo (get in line) and you love Jamal (get in a shorter line). We get it. Your "bold take" isn't really bold. If by some miracle Jamal makes an NBA roster, you get to crow I told you so. If, as is likely, he doesn't, you'll shrug your shoulders and say, "Well, that was worth a shot." It's no bolder than any of us saying right now that Marquette will win the NCAA title this season, and only a little more likely.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: Elonsmusk on November 26, 2021, 10:16:49 AM
I don't think you really want to go back to old posts made by you as proof of anything. I'll spare you and everybody else some of your takes.

Of course the vast majority of NBA players are elite athletes. Nobody here said differently. Jamal is not an elite athlete, and he was not a very good defender during his time at Marquette. I admit I haven't seen him play at Oakland. Maybe even though he has become a poor outside shooter, he has become an elite NBA-level defender in the Horizon League. I don't know, but I suspect not.

That Sam Hauser has made the Celtics' roster has absolutely nothing to do with Jamal Cain's prospects at making the NBA. I mean, aren't Vander Blue, Jamil Wilson and DJO superior athletes to Sam Hauser? By your thinking, each of them should be in the NBA right now because Sam has made a roster. If only NBA GMs were as smart as Ners!

Again, Sam does one thing better than most people on the planet. It happens to be a skill that is very much in demand in the NBA, so he will get some time to show if he can hit 3s at an NBA level; if he can't, he'll be on his way to Europe. Jamal Cain does not possess that skill. In by far his highest-usage year at Marquette, he shot 34% on college 3s; this year, when he apparently is allowed to shoot whenever and from wherever he wants, he is hitting 24% of his 3s. If you are a skinny small forward who has no other skills that make you stand out among elite athletes, you cannot hope to play in the NBA if you shoot under 35% from 3 ... let alone under 25%.

You hate Wojo (get in line) and you love Jamal (get in a shorter line). We get it. Your "bold take" isn't really bold. If by some miracle Jamal makes an NBA roster, you get to crow I told you so. If, as is likely, he doesn't, you'll shrug your shoulders and say, "Well, that was worth a shot." It's no bolder than any of us saying right now that Marquette will win the NCAA title this season, and only a little more likely.

Give Jamal another 16 months to work on his game and strength and he will be a viable NBA prospect.  Jamal had the unfortunate college experience of playing for an idiot head coach his first 4 years.  The Hauser brothers were smart enough to realize that too.

That aside you are welcome to go back to my old posts and find examples of where I was wrong.  You and I both know I'll be able to find HUNDREDS of posts over yours over the last 7 years defending Wojo that will make you look like an absolute basketball idiot. 

Wojo "just needs time."  "Jay Wright didn't win right away."  "Just wait until Wojo has his own guys."  You kept that garbage up for 5 years.  I didn't even visit Scoop all of last season as it was a waste of time watching a Wojo coached team and to continue to argue with guys like you and the hot takes like those above.

I'll continue to enjoy rooting for a great kid like Jamal who should have bailed on MU and Wojo after his sophomore year, but instead stuck around.  That aside, wish he stayed at MU as he would have been an awesome fit on this year's team.  However, he wanted to be a featured guy and to be able to showcase his talent after having had to endure awful coaching his first 4 years.  That move likely will pay dividends and get him NBA Free Agent looks following the Kendrick Nunn route.
 
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: willie warrior on November 26, 2021, 10:20:11 AM
Joey Hauser blows
Such an expert opinion. Good way to deflect/defrnd you Wojo-Dukiet man crush
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on November 26, 2021, 10:23:04 AM
Give Jamal another 16 months to work on his game and strength and he will be a viable NBA prospect.  Jamal had the unfortunate college experience of playing for an idiot head coach his first 4 years.  The Hauser brothers were smart enough to realize that too.

That aside you are welcome to go back to my old posts and find examples of where I was wrong.  You and I both know I'll be able to find HUNDREDS of posts over yours over the last 7 years defending Wojo that will make you look like an absolute basketball idiot. 

Wojo "just needs time."  "Jay Wright didn't win right away."  "Just wait until Wojo has his own guys."  You kept that garbage up for 5 years.  I didn't even visit Scoop all of last season as it was a waste of time watching a Wojo coached team and to continue to argue with guys like you and the hot takes like those above.

I'll continue to enjoy rooting for a great kid like Jamal who should have bailed on MU and Wojo after his sophomore year, but instead stuck around.  That aside, wish he stayed at MU as he would have been an awesome fit on this year's team.  However, he wanted to be a featured guy and to be able to showcase his talent after having had to endure awful coaching his first 4 years.  That move likely will pay dividends and get him NBA Free Agent looks following the Kendrick Nunn route.
 


The Hausers didn’t / haven’t gotten significantly better since leaving MU. And neither has / will Jamal. I mean he’s really only marginally better now. Just went down a level in competition and putting up accumulation stats. 
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: Uncle Rico on November 26, 2021, 10:43:33 AM
Such an expert opinion. Good way to deflect/defrnd you Wojo-Dukiet man crush

No, he blows.  Izzo benched him. 
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: Elonsmusk on November 26, 2021, 10:52:12 AM

The Hausers didn’t / haven’t gotten significantly better since leaving MU. And neither has / will Jamal. I mean he’s really only marginally better now. Just went down a level in competition and putting up accumulation stats.

I'd agree on the Hausers.  However they went to Top 10 programs, AND Sam always got max minutes at MU and Joey played 72% of all minutes as a freshman.  Their experience at MU as very different than Jamal's. 

Yes, Oakland is a step down, yet so far they've played the 36th toughest schedule year to date per Ken Pom.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on November 26, 2021, 11:02:00 AM
I'd agree on the Hausers.  However they went to Top 10 programs, AND Sam always got max minutes at MU and Joey played 72% of all minutes as a freshman.  Their experience at MU as very different than Jamal's. 

Yes, Oakland is a step down, yet so far they've played the 36th toughest schedule year to date per Ken Pom.

You were the one who brought up the Hausers, claiming how smart they were for leaving.  Yet if you admit they haven't improved....then what point were you making exactly?
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: MU82 on November 26, 2021, 11:20:08 AM
Give Jamal another 16 months to work on his game and strength and he will be a viable NBA prospect.  Jamal had the unfortunate college experience of playing for an idiot head coach his first 4 years.  The Hauser brothers were smart enough to realize that too.

That aside you are welcome to go back to my old posts and find examples of where I was wrong.  You and I both know I'll be able to find HUNDREDS of posts over yours over the last 7 years defending Wojo that will make you look like an absolute basketball idiot. 

Wojo "just needs time."  "Jay Wright didn't win right away."  "Just wait until Wojo has his own guys."  You kept that garbage up for 5 years.  I didn't even visit Scoop all of last season as it was a waste of time watching a Wojo coached team and to continue to argue with guys like you and the hot takes like those above.

I'll continue to enjoy rooting for a great kid like Jamal who should have bailed on MU and Wojo after his sophomore year, but instead stuck around.  That aside, wish he stayed at MU as he would have been an awesome fit on this year's team.  However, he wanted to be a featured guy and to be able to showcase his talent after having had to endure awful coaching his first 4 years.  That move likely will pay dividends and get him NBA Free Agent looks following the Kendrick Nunn route.

Well, there were your many horrifically racist posts that got you extended bans, so we could start there. But again, I'll spare the board.

Joey Hauser escaped Marquette and regressed under a Hall of Fame coach -- and not just a little. Jamal moved down a level and he is flourishing in most statistical categories, even though he hasn't shot 3s at a level that would let him get within 10,000 miles of the NBA.

Otherwise, we are arguing opinions. Which is what Scoop is, I guess.

One thing we agree on: We are both rooting for a great kid like Jamal. I'd love it if he pulls a Juan Anderson or even a Dwight Buycks. Hell, even a Sam Hauser. We'll see!
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: Uncle Rico on November 26, 2021, 12:04:09 PM
Izzo-Dukiet doesn’t start Joe Hauser today and sees little court time in the first half.  Hauser finished with 6 points on 1-5 shooting.  He had 4 boards, 1 assist and 1 TO.  4-1-1 is not for fun

Hauserghazi brewing in East Lansing?
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on November 26, 2021, 12:13:17 PM
Wonder if Joey stocked up on pens before this roadtrip or if he will need to head to Wal Mart once he gets back to campus.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: Scoop Snoop on November 26, 2021, 12:15:10 PM
Izzo-Dukiet doesn’t start Joe Hauser today and sees little court time in the first half.  Hauser finished with 6 points on 1-5 shooting.  He had 4 boards, 1 assist and 1 TO.  4-1-1 is not for fun

Hauserghazi brewing in East Lansing?

But he was 4/4 on FTs Uncle!
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: Nukem2 on November 26, 2021, 12:15:48 PM
Izzo-Dukiet doesn’t start Joe Hauser today and sees little court time in the first half.  Hauser finished with 6 points on 1-5 shooting.  He had 4 boards, 1 assist and 1 TO.  4-1-1 is not for fun

Hauserghazi brewing in East Lansing?
Joey had some matador defense as well.  A skilled player, but lacks lateral quickness and has no hops.  Not shooting well will keep him on the bench.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: MU82 on November 26, 2021, 12:26:03 PM
How bad a coach must Izzo be?!?! Totally ruining a top-50 player (because nothing matters more during an athlete's 4th year of college than his high school ranking).
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: fjm on November 26, 2021, 01:47:02 PM
Izzo-Dukiet doesn’t start Joe Hauser today and sees little court time in the first half.  Hauser finished with 6 points on 1-5 shooting.  He had 4 boards, 1 assist and 1 TO.  4-1-1 is not for fun

Hauserghazi brewing in East Lansing?

WRITE THE LETTER!!!

I LOOOOVE looking at Twitter mentioned after MSU games. MSU fans are so angry with Hauser.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on November 26, 2021, 02:45:45 PM
Talk about delusional.

https://twitter.com/jory_mama/status/1464291465136418828?s=21
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: fjm on November 26, 2021, 03:10:12 PM
Talk about delusional.

https://twitter.com/jory_mama/status/1464291465136418828?s=21

I think that was the 1 positive tweet today.

“Hauser” was trending at number 11 today after the MSU game. Annnnnd it wasn’t a positive trend.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: Uncle Rico on November 26, 2021, 03:14:14 PM
Talk about delusional.

https://twitter.com/jory_mama/status/1464291465136418828?s=21

That account has some tweets, whoo boy, are they something.  This is well in character
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: pbiflyer on November 26, 2021, 04:10:47 PM
Izzo-Dukiet doesn’t start Joe Hauser today and sees little court time in the first half.  Hauser finished with 6 points on 1-5 shooting.  He had 4 boards, 1 assist and 1 TO.  4-1-1 is not for fun

Hauserghazi brewing in East Lansing?
His bucket was a nice move to the hoop. He did have a rebound taken away by the more athletic Baylor player that jumped over him. Had another one wrestled away from him.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: Newsdreams on November 26, 2021, 04:15:37 PM
His bucket was a nice move to the hoop. He did have a rebound taken away by the more athletic Baylor player that jumped over him. Had another one wrestled away from him.
Hang a banner
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on November 26, 2021, 04:31:41 PM
His bucket was a nice move to the hoop. He did have a rebound taken away by the more athletic Baylor player that jumped over him. Had another one wrestled away from him.

Joey can't even get the easy rebounds.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: DoctorV on November 26, 2021, 05:05:43 PM
I went to an open practice at the AL the year Joey was a freshman.

Dude had the worst body language of anyone on the team. He was always looking pissed off at something, and he looked super slow.

I’m not here to argue whether he’s any good or not, but I instantly knew he was wayyy overrated.

Then Wojo, Sam, Markus had to spend 3/4 of the season trying to get the guy to keep his head in the game and have a positive attitude, and then the season collapsed.

We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, therefore, is not an act but a habit.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: MuggsyB on November 26, 2021, 10:36:50 PM
NM.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: MUDPT on November 26, 2021, 10:43:06 PM
Late in the Iowa State Memphis game, Fraschilla quoted TJO (I think) that Hunter reminded him of Jerel.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: Herman Cain on November 28, 2021, 08:46:47 AM
Koby McEwen averaging 18.2 ppg  5 rebounds 1.8 assists shooting 42.1 percent from 3

His Weber State team is 6-0

Looks like Weber State will contending for Big Sky title this year, so maybe Koby makes it to the tournament. b
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: Galway Eagle on November 29, 2021, 05:05:53 AM
Koby McEwen averaging 18.2 ppg  5 rebounds 1.8 assists shooting 42.1 percent from 3

His Weber State team is 6-0

Looks like Weber State will contending for Big Sky title this year, so maybe Koby makes it to the tournament. b

80% koby makes the nba
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: MU82 on November 29, 2021, 06:54:31 AM
80% koby makes the nba

Bold!
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: 1SE on November 29, 2021, 07:36:28 AM
Theo with a solid  in the 7 man rotation in the 1-2 matchup. All the other guys lighting it up.

Clearly talent wasn't the problem.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on November 29, 2021, 07:38:32 AM
Theo with a solid  in the 7 man rotation in the 1-2 matchup. All the other guys lighting it up.

Clearly talent wasn't the problem.


It wasn't the only problem.  But let's not think that a couple mid-major starters and a back up P6 center was great talent.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: JWags85 on November 29, 2021, 07:50:14 AM
80% koby makes the nba

80% is a bit high but the prospect isn't crazy.  He reminds me of Buycks a bit, with a bit better size.  Good scorer who can get hot but had tendencies towards reckless or boneheaded play.  Matured a bit playing at the pro level and then found his way to an NBA roster.  If Koby can maintain as a 40%-ish 3PT threat, I can see it.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: MU82 on November 29, 2021, 07:51:51 AM
Theo with a solid  in the 7 man rotation in the 1-2 matchup.

Theo and Duke are an ideal match. He can back up probably the best big in the ACC, he doesn't have to worry about foul trouble, he can provide offense via dunks and put-backs, and he gets a legit shot at a national title. All while furthering his studies on scholarship at a great university.

Very happy for the young man. He worked hard at Marquette, was an important part of two NCAAT teams, and used his voice in the community. I wish him great success in life.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: WarriorFan on November 29, 2021, 07:52:15 AM
Koby McEwen averaging 18.2 ppg  5 rebounds 1.8 assists shooting 42.1 percent from 3

His Weber State team is 6-0

Looks like Weber State will contending for Big Sky title this year, so maybe Koby makes it to the tournament. b

Do cupcakes schedule cupcakes early in the season?
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: TSmith34, Inc. on November 29, 2021, 10:56:48 AM
Do cupcakes schedule cupcakes early in the season?
So far for Weber State:
Western Colorado
Duquesne
UMass
Ball State
UW-GB
Dixie State

Also, their schedule manages to include all the cardinal compass points: Northern (Arizona), Eastern (Washington), Southern (Utah), and Western (Colorado). Nice.


Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: brewcity77 on November 29, 2021, 11:58:14 AM
80% koby makes the nba

I appreciate the joke.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: Elonsmusk on November 29, 2021, 12:51:44 PM
I appreciate the joke.

Me too.   I also appreciate that despite you being one of the "just give Wojo time, and wait until he gets his own guys" bandwagoners for 4.5 years, you were smart enough to recognize the folly of your opinions and shift your thinking by Year 5.  Meanwhile some of the prolific posters here couldn't ever swallow their pride and admit they were wrong.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: MU82 on November 29, 2021, 01:50:36 PM
Me too.   I also appreciate that despite you being one of the "just give Wojo time, and wait until he gets his own guys" bandwagoners for 4.5 years, you were smart enough to recognize the folly of your opinions and shift your thinking by Year 5.  Meanwhile some of the prolific posters here couldn't ever swallow their pride and admit they were wrong.

You're such a visionary, Nrs. How's Magic Dawson's NBA career going?

I'm also pretty sure brew was still giving Wojo a shot through Year 6 (or at least until the collapse at the end of that year), though he'll correct me if I'm wrong.

Many of us were realistic enough to know that a school wasn't going to fire a coach who took his team to 3 NCAA tournaments in 4 years, so we supported the program. So yep, I admit that it took me a long time to join the Nojo camp. I'm actually surprised they fired him after last season, but thank goodness a few boosters were willing to make it happen.

You're one of the "I'm so obsessed with Wojo that I can't make a comment on any subject without referencing him guys." It must be rough having your mind so occupied by a guy who hasn't stepped foot on our alma mater's campus in 8 months.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on November 29, 2021, 01:59:06 PM
Do cupcakes schedule cupcakes early in the season?
Yes, non D1's
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: Elonsmusk on November 29, 2021, 02:38:46 PM
You're such a visionary, Nrs. How's Magic Dawson's NBA career going?

I'm also pretty sure brew was still giving Wojo a shot through Year 6 (or at least until the collapse at the end of that year), though he'll correct me if I'm wrong.

Many of us were realistic enough to know that a school wasn't going to fire a coach who took his team to 3 NCAA tournaments in 4 years, so we supported the program. So yep, I admit that it took me a long time to join the Nojo camp. I'm actually surprised they fired him after last season, but thank goodness a few boosters were willing to make it happen.

You're one of the "I'm so obsessed with Wojo that I can't make a comment on any subject without referencing him guys." It must be rough having your mind so occupied by a guy who hasn't stepped foot on our alma mater's campus in 8 months.

The smartest employers take immediate action if they hired the wrong man for the job.  MU wasted 6 years with Wojo.  It was evident in Year 1 the guy didn't have it.  You bite the bullet and move on.  Wojo playing Derrick Wilson 33 minutes a night on a roster that had Matt Carlino, Duane Wilson and John Dawson as options was the first major red flag, as was playing Deonte Burton 16 minutes per game.

Btw - I never said John Dawson would make the NBA.  Making the G-League though was a testament to him having potential. 

Funny thing about you is that you have some good takes/opinions.  You just really missed the mark on Wojo.  I'm no longer obsessed with the guy.  I was obsessed with exposing Wojo here on Scoop while he was the coach.  It took the groundswell of dissatisfaction among the MU fanbase that led to Wojo getting canned.   That aside happy he's gone and can once again enjoy MU hoops.  Btw your OMax/Juan Anderson comparison was a good one.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: Galway Eagle on November 29, 2021, 02:45:14 PM
Ners your issue was you went balls to the wall that Wojo was absolutely horrific and going to Dukiet us. He wasn't, he was the epitome of average, the hyperbole and over reactions for 5 of 7 years was obnoxious and alienated people from your point. But now you want credit, yes you called that he wasn't going to get it done at MU, but he wasn't the horrific end of MU hoops either the guy sucked for where we want to be but in the grand scheme of CBB turned in a C+ project, some highlights, terrible intro, terrible conclusion. That being said you're massively tiptoeing back on your Dawson obsession, you might not have said he was an NBA player but man you're way underselling your obsession with him as our potential savior.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on November 29, 2021, 02:52:53 PM
I was obsessed with exposing Wojo here on Scoop while he was the coach.  It took the groundswell of dissatisfaction among the MU fanbase that led to Wojo getting canned.

That "groundswell" of dissatisfaction involved in getting Wojo canned was three people. Wojo, who refused help. Scholl who made one phone call then. The donor who digitally wrote the check.

You do know that about 95%+ of the Scoop posters aren't even donating season ticket holders, right?
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: MU82 on November 29, 2021, 03:52:29 PM
Ners your issue was you went balls to the wall that Wojo was absolutely horrific and going to Dukiet us. He wasn't, he was the epitome of average, the hyperbole and over reactions for 5 of 7 years was obnoxious and alienated people from your point. But now you want credit, yes you called that he wasn't going to get it done at MU, but he wasn't the horrific end of MU hoops either the guy sucked for where we want to be but in the grand scheme of CBB turned in a C+ project, some highlights, terrible intro, terrible conclusion. That being said you're massively tiptoeing back on your Dawson obsession, you might not have said he was an NBA player but man you're way underselling your obsession with him as our potential savior.

This. Wojo didn't "ruin" the program as so many drama queens want to say. And you're right: Ners was even more obsessed about Dawson than he was about Wojo.

The smartest employers take immediate action if they hired the wrong man for the job.  MU wasted 6 years with Wojo.  It was evident in Year 1 the guy didn't have it.  You bite the bullet and move on.  Wojo playing Derrick Wilson 33 minutes a night on a roster that had Matt Carlino, Duane Wilson and John Dawson as options was the first major red flag, as was playing Deonte Burton 16 minutes per game.

Btw - I never said John Dawson would make the NBA.  Making the G-League though was a testament to him having potential. 

Funny thing about you is that you have some good takes/opinions.  You just really missed the mark on Wojo.  I'm no longer obsessed with the guy.  I was obsessed with exposing Wojo here on Scoop while he was the coach.  It took the groundswell of dissatisfaction among the MU fanbase that led to Wojo getting canned.   That aside happy he's gone and can once again enjoy MU hoops.  Btw your OMax/Juan Anderson comparison was a good one.

Obviously I wish we would have hired a better coach, but there isn't a single AD or university president who would have fired Wojo after Year 1, Year 2 or Year 3. Not one. Maybe after the step backward in Year 4 or the collapse/mutiny at the end of Year 5 there were 1 or 2 who might have considered it -- with heavy boo$ter backing. And maybe there's another 1 or 2 who would have considered it after Year 6 even though the team made the NCAAT for the 3rd time in 4 years; I believe TAMU found one instance in fairly recent history (Barnes at Texas?) in which that happened. So stop pretending that there are a bunch of "smart employers" out there who would have fired Wojo for playing Derrick Wilson in Year 1.

Funny thing about you is that you also have some decent takes, Ners, but that's not one of them.

And you were flat-out wrong about Dawson. He couldn't hack it in a P6 conference, he needed to go to a low-major program to succeed, and he wasn't better than Rowsey (as you claimed). I'd think you'd give Wojo credit for being a smart employer, realizing that and taking immediate action - ha!
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on November 29, 2021, 04:03:56 PM
The smartest employers take immediate action if they hired the wrong man for the job.  MU wasted 6 years with Wojo.  It was evident in Year 1 the guy didn't have it.  You bite the bullet and move on.  Wojo playing Derrick Wilson 33 minutes a night on a roster that had Matt Carlino, Duane Wilson and John Dawson as options was the first major red flag, as was playing Deonte Burton 16 minutes per game.


Dear Ners:

Just don't....  For the love of God, just don't...

Sincerely,

The rest of Scoop
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on November 29, 2021, 04:19:31 PM
BTW, Ners, for Wojo being a guy who you are "no longer obsessed with," you brought up his name three times in this topic.  The second two of which were when the conversation had already died down.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: Uncle Rico on November 29, 2021, 04:31:50 PM
John Dawson talk?  Sign me up!

Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: MU82 on November 29, 2021, 04:45:40 PM
John Dawson talk?  Sign me up!

That’s Magic Dawson to you, bub!
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: Billy Hoyle on November 29, 2021, 04:48:09 PM
Do cupcakes schedule cupcakes early in the season?

yes, usually SWAC and MEAC schools, WAC schools, lower level Big Sky and lower level Big West schools.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: Uncle Rico on November 29, 2021, 04:48:25 PM
That’s Magic Dawson to you, bub!

The only thing better than talking about old players who left is talking about former coaches.  What if John Dawson had played for Rick Majerus?  The possibilities are mind-boggling
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: muwarrior97 on November 29, 2021, 05:07:21 PM
We should rehire Wojo and fire him again for this
#BOOM  ;D
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: MU82 on November 29, 2021, 06:13:54 PM
The only thing better than talking about old players who left is talking about former coaches.  What if John Dawson had played for Rick Majerus?  The possibilities are mind-boggling

Magic Dawson woulda averaged 27 ppg and 12 apg under Al ... and that woulda been after Al punched him in the face and told him to go pro.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: TSmith34, Inc. on November 29, 2021, 08:23:20 PM
This. Wojo didn't "ruin" the program as so many drama queens want to say. And you're right: Ners was even more obsessed about Dawson than he was about Wojo.
You've not only fallen into the Ners Infinite Argument Loop, you've even triggered the Involuntary Spastic Derrick Wilson Auto Response.

Please please stop.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: MU82 on November 29, 2021, 10:45:50 PM
You've not only fallen into the Ners Infinite Argument Loop, you've even triggered the Involuntary Spastic Derrick Wilson Auto Response.

Please please stop.

My apologies, sir.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: Fred Garvin on November 30, 2021, 10:25:10 PM
Theo with 4 points and 5 fouls tonight
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: MU82 on November 30, 2021, 11:36:35 PM
Theo with 4 points and 5 fouls tonight

Theo had his worst game of the season and it really did cost Duke. Williams was in foul trouble and Duke needed more from his backup.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on December 01, 2021, 06:54:56 AM
Theo had his worst game of the season and it really did cost Duke. Williams was in foul trouble and Duke needed more from his backup.

Theo changing uniforms hasn’t changed the fact that he still has 1-2 fouls a game that are blatantly not fouls however.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: Uncle Rico on December 01, 2021, 06:52:28 PM
Looks like Izzo-Dukiet is getting ready for Hauserghazi

https://twitter.com/bfquinn/status/1466206594140573702?s=21
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: MU82 on December 01, 2021, 07:01:06 PM
Looks like Izzo-Dukiet is getting ready for Hauserghazi

https://twitter.com/bfquinn/status/1466206594140573702?s=21

(https://www.mcdonalds.com/is/image/content/dam/usa/nfl/nutrition/items/hero/desktop/t-mcdonalds-Vanilla-Reduced-Fat-Ice-Cream-Cone.jpg?$Product_Desktop$)
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on December 01, 2021, 07:05:33 PM
Looks like Izzo-Dukiet is getting ready for Hauserghazi

https://twitter.com/bfquinn/status/1466206594140573702?s=21


Preparing for MSUScoop's meat eating contingent to rush to Joey's defense.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: Uncle Rico on December 01, 2021, 07:10:08 PM
More anger from Izzo-Dukiet

https://twitter.com/chrissolari/status/1466210592696397824?s=21
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: TSmith34, Inc. on December 01, 2021, 08:57:01 PM
Looks like Izzo-Dukiet is getting ready for Hauserghazi

https://twitter.com/bfquinn/status/1466206594140573702?s=21
So there is a chance Joey comes back to MU for an encore run?
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on December 01, 2021, 09:18:49 PM
Don't think Joey has to ever worry about being on the same team as Tyler Herro.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on December 01, 2021, 09:30:09 PM
Surprised we didn’t see the first ever mid-game transfer.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: MU82 on December 01, 2021, 11:46:17 PM
Garcia with an efficient 14 as UNC crushed Michigan. He had 9 points during the stretch when UNC broke open the game.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: The Lens on December 02, 2021, 12:20:14 AM
That "groundswell" of dissatisfaction involved in getting Wojo canned was three people. Wojo, who refused help. Scholl who made one phone call then. The donor who digitally wrote the check.

You do know that about 95%+ of the Scoop posters aren't even donating season ticket holders, right?

The blog boys banding together and going top rope had a pretty big impact.  That missive was emailed to every corner of Zilber and made cutting a fat check to Steve palatable among the administration. 

Those guys provided hard data that helped turn heads and shape opinion.  Any faculty unrest over the buyout was squashed when the blog boys went nuclear. 

We owe them a lot.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: panda on December 02, 2021, 06:24:13 AM
Theo changing uniforms hasn’t changed the fact that he still has 1-2 fouls a game that are blatantly not fouls however.

I’ve never really agreed with this. He’s slow footed laterally, lacks defensive positional awareness and reaches a ton.

On replay they may not look like fouls, but refs in real time will make those calls almost every time.

He’s a magnet for fouls because of those reasons, not because the officials are out to get him.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on December 02, 2021, 09:30:15 AM
The blog boys banding together and going top rope had a pretty big impact.  That missive was emailed to every corner of Zilber and made cutting a fat check to Steve palatable among the administration. 

Those guys provided hard data that helped turn heads and shape opinion.  Any faculty unrest over the buyout was squashed when the blog boys went nuclear. 

We owe them a lot.

You used “Zilber Hall” as the key decision center of power, I used “The Al McGuire Center”.  Thankfully, Scholl and Broeker are good at their jobs and knew all that was contained in the blogs and were circling Wojo with it. They also knew ticket sales and B&G donations were tanking or about to (Joe True even decided to get out of Dodge). Wojo was lawyered up too and dug in his feet to play possum with his buy out. Scholl also shored up the check writer for the check mate to end it.

If the robes in Zibler used the blog piece to save face, kudos. I contend that Scholl used that to get to his end game. It was a bold move considering COVID, but it was pretty obvious one in retrospect. Donations, ticket sales, marketing/publicity and results since only confirm Scholl’s moves. Enrollment to follow.

If you think the blog piece was the single impetus to make this all happen in a period of a day, so be it. I’d love to hear that story. That, to me, would show MU’s decision making is a cluster then, which I don’t think is the case, clearly.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: The Lens on December 02, 2021, 09:38:11 AM
I think we are both right.   Certainly the powers within the Al knew what they had to do.  But this isn't 1265 where on court performance is the biggest thing and the only thing.  In a University setting there are many constituencies.  I have been told by people who have been there a long time that the Blog Boys work was key in getting everyone rowing in the same direction.   
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: Galway Eagle on December 02, 2021, 09:44:49 AM
Scholl gave an interview where he said how surprised he was that people were so upset about the results that Wojo had turned in thus far. To me a person like that would have only responded to the hard data cracked sidewalks and paint touches gave us not the emotional post from AE.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on December 02, 2021, 09:47:08 AM
I think you both have some elements of truth and some embellishments. Dr. B sounds closer to correct to me.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: Elonsmusk on December 02, 2021, 10:16:44 AM
Scholl gave an interview where he said how surprised he was that people were so upset about the results that Wojo had turned in thus far. To me a person like that would have only responded to the hard data cracked sidewalks and paint touches gave us not the emotional post from AE.

The Cracked Sidewalks piece was extremely well-done and shone a bright light on the underperformance.  The data presented in that article was thorough, defensible, and without question gave Scholl a fantastic summary of the program's trendline/lack of ROI under Wojo to rally support/funding for the removal.

Thank God for the donor who wrote the check to move on from Wojo. 

Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on December 02, 2021, 10:26:13 AM
The Cracked Sidewalks piece was extremely well-done and shone a bright light on the underperformance.  The data presented in that article was thorough, defensible, and without question gave Scholl a fantastic summary of the program's trendline/lack of ROI under Wojo to rally support/funding for the removal.

Thank God for the donor who wrote the check to move on from Wojo. 


I think the blog piece gave more cover for the actions to take place than it did inspire them to take place.  As Dr. B said, everyone knew there was a problem. 
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: The Lens on December 02, 2021, 11:23:24 AM
I think you both have some elements of truth and some embellishments. Dr. B sounds closer to correct to me.

New conspiracy...Broeker and Scholl wrote the piece and gave it to the Blog Boys to publish to create cover.  I now rescind any flowers I gave the Blog Boys.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: MU82 on December 02, 2021, 11:29:12 AM
Theo changing uniforms hasn’t changed the fact that he still has 1-2 fouls a game that are blatantly not fouls however.

Didn't watch the whole game. I did see 3 of the fouls, and all 3 were definitely fouls. He was out of position on 2 of them.

I'm a Theo fan, and have stuck up for him many times when some here were pounding him. But he has weaknesses, as all athletes do, and one of his was fouling too much -- often because he either went for fakes or he failed to establish proper position.

He had done a nice job for Duke, very much helped them. This last game, he didn't play well. It happens.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on December 02, 2021, 11:39:41 AM
I don't think anyone used the blog piece as cover, but it did give some important basketball fans the vocabulary they needed to express their frustrations.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on December 02, 2021, 02:23:54 PM
Didn't watch the whole game. I did see 3 of the fouls, and all 3 were definitely fouls. He was out of position on 2 of them.

I'm a Theo fan, and have stuck up for him many times when some here were pounding him. But he has weaknesses, as all athletes do, and one of his was fouling too much -- often because he either went for fakes or he failed to establish proper position.

He had done a nice job for Duke, very much helped them. This last game, he didn't play well. It happens.

One of them I believe his 4th. He was feet away from actually touching the guy.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on December 02, 2021, 03:31:22 PM
I don't think anyone used the blog piece as cover, but it did give some important basketball fans the vocabulary they needed to express their frustrations.

And the vocabulary was less emotional than the words used after the Georgetown BET (again) no-show that lit the wick.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: mileskishnish72 on December 02, 2021, 03:41:45 PM
Don't think Joey has to ever worry about being on the same team as Tyler Herro.

Perfect. Just perfect.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: Tha Hound on December 02, 2021, 04:18:18 PM
The blog boys banding together and going top rope had a pretty big impact.  That missive was emailed to every corner of Zilber and made cutting a fat check to Steve palatable among the administration. 

Those guys provided hard data that helped turn heads and shape opinion.  Any faculty unrest over the buyout was squashed when the blog boys went nuclear. 

We owe them a lot.

Could not have rolled my eyes harder. This is laughable
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: Elonsmusk on December 02, 2021, 09:55:42 PM
Jamal had another solid game with 19 points on 9-15 shooting, 10 rebounds,  1 Block, 1 Steal, 1 Assist and 4 TO's in the road win over Illinois-Chicago.  Season eFG% 59.2% on 27.3% usage.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: panda on December 02, 2021, 10:04:36 PM
Jamal had another solid game with 19 points on 9-15 shooting, 10 rebounds,  1 Block, 1 Steal, 1 Assist and 4 TO's in the road win over Illinois-Chicago.  Season eFG% 59.2% on 27.3% usage.

Lol
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: warriorchick on December 02, 2021, 11:29:14 PM
Koby begging fans to show up for games:

https://twitter.com/TheTrueOne1_/status/1466633189883977732
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: The Lens on December 03, 2021, 12:22:18 AM
Could not have rolled my eyes harder. This is laughable

Thanks Tha Hound, I have always aspired to be YOUR comedian. 

I’m funny how? I mean funny, like I’m a clown? I amuse you? I make you laugh? I’m here to (…) amuse you? Whattya you mean funny? Funny how? How am I funny?
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: Herman Cain on December 03, 2021, 08:16:29 AM
Jamal had another solid game with 19 points on 9-15 shooting, 10 rebounds,  1 Block, 1 Steal, 1 Assist and 4 TO's in the road win over Illinois-Chicago.  Season eFG% 59.2% on 27.3% usage.
Love how Jamal is playing. Happy for him.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: Herman Cain on December 06, 2021, 02:42:38 PM
Interesting fun fact. Weber State  ( Koby McEwen) and Oakland (Jamal Cain) are ranked 46th and 47th in NET rankings. Those programs must be pretty happy to pick up those two young guys.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: MU82 on December 17, 2021, 07:54:00 AM
NC McClatchey newspapers article talking about improved play of Duke's bench:

The 6-9, 242-pound Theo John’s role has been to tag-team with Williams inside to keep both centers fresh. That pattern was knocked off kilter this week when John experienced back tightness and had to miss Tuesday’s 103-62 win over South Carolina State. But he was back on Thursday night, playing 13 turnover-free minutes to tally six points, three rebounds and an assist.

Article included this photo:

(https://www.newsobserver.com/latest-news/bu1cua/picture256670982/alternates/FREE_1140/APPSTDUKE-SP-121621-RTW_5.jpg)
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: mug644 on December 17, 2021, 12:42:50 PM
Is that Wojo in the background as a graduate assistant with App State?
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: Markusquette on December 20, 2021, 05:08:33 PM
Jose Perez playing reasonably well for Manhattan. A couple back to back 20+ point games recently.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: Miss Katie’s on December 21, 2021, 09:26:41 AM
https://www.midmajormadness.com/platform/amp/2021/12/19/22843912/hartford-hawks-bring-traci-carter-back-for-seventh-season
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: Galway Eagle on December 21, 2021, 09:32:36 AM
https://www.midmajormadness.com/platform/amp/2021/12/19/22843912/hartford-hawks-bring-traci-carter-back-for-seventh-season

Don't you lose eligibility when you're 25? He has to be closing in on that before the years up.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: lostpassword on December 21, 2021, 09:48:03 AM
Don't you lose eligibility when you're 25? He has to be closing in on that before the years up.

According to the link below he was born June 1996... so pushing 26 by end of the season.

https://gomarquette.com/sports/mens-basketball/roster/traci-carter/672
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: mileskishnish72 on December 21, 2021, 03:52:47 PM
A couple of ex-MU guys going head-to-head tonight. One I liked, one I really didn't, but I think didn't's team will likely scrape by.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on December 21, 2021, 03:55:39 PM
A couple of ex-MU guys going head-to-head tonight. One I liked, one I really didn't, but I think didn't's team will likely scrape by.

I knew exactly who this was without (well, before) looking.  Impressive. 

https://www.midmajormadness.com/platform/amp/2021/12/19/22843912/hartford-hawks-bring-traci-carter-back-for-seventh-season

So wait...he just like...decided to rejoin the team in late December? Was he even going to school? 
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: Uncle Rico on December 21, 2021, 03:59:37 PM
I knew exactly who this was without (well, before) looking.  Impressive. 

So wait...he just like...decided to rejoin the team in late December? Was he even going to school?

Wouldn’t mind seeing Jamal pull a Ja
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on December 21, 2021, 04:00:04 PM
So....Jamal would be pretty nice to have around eh?  Would certainly love to see him getting OMP's minutes.  Bummer on that one. 
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: tower912 on December 21, 2021, 04:04:32 PM
10 minutes a game?   Nah.   Let him enjoy playing closer to home at a lower level.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on December 21, 2021, 04:15:36 PM
10 minutes a game?   Nah.   Let him enjoy playing closer to home at a lower level.

He'd be playing a lot more than 10 minutes per game.  He'd probably be our third best player.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: MU82 on December 21, 2021, 04:45:38 PM
He'd be playing a lot more than 10 minutes per game.  He'd probably be our third best player.

Don’t let Ners hear you say that. He thinks Jamal would be the Phoenix Suns’ third best player. Or better.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: Herman Cain on December 21, 2021, 06:46:43 PM
Koby McEwen continues his solid play for Weber State. Team is 9-3 and leading the Big Sky. Good chances they make the tournament.

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/4066755/koby-mcewen
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: DoctorV on December 21, 2021, 07:13:55 PM
In a close game at half MSU v Oakland

Jamal Cain 5-6, 3-3 from 3, 13 pts and 3 boards.

Joey Hauser 1-2 for 2 pts.

That’s great to see. I loved Jamal at MU and happy to see both him and Elliott having some recent success. Really with they were still doing it together, but as has been said before it seems like Jamal made a good choice
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: Newsdreams on December 21, 2021, 07:15:48 PM
He'd be playing a lot more than 10 minutes per game.  He'd probably be our third best player.
As long as he didn't dribble.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: mileskishnish72 on December 21, 2021, 07:18:41 PM
I think Jamal did what he felt he would like to do, and good for him. Yes, he would have been better to watch than OMP (or at least OMP so far) but he could psych you up or bum you out when he was at MU. Still, I gotta admit I liked the kid.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: MU82 on December 21, 2021, 07:25:39 PM
In a close game at half MSU v Oakland

Jamal Cain 5-6, 3-3 from 3, 13 pts and 3 boards.

Joey Hauser 1-2 for 2 pts.

That’s great to see. I loved Jamal at MU and happy to see both him and Elliott having some recent success. Really with they were still doing it together, but as has been said before it seems like Jamal made a good choice

Glad to see Jamal hitting some 3s. He got off to a rough start from downtown this season, but we know he's a pretty solid shooter from the college 3 line. He'll have to prove he can hit that shot to have any chance at all at the next level. I'm rooting for him!

Also glad to see Joey is making his typically strong contribution.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: Elonsmusk on December 22, 2021, 09:51:12 AM
Glad to see Jamal hitting some 3s. He got off to a rough start from downtown this season, but we know he's a pretty solid shooter from the college 3 line. He'll have to prove he can hit that shot to have any chance at all at the next level. I'm rooting for him!

Also glad to see Joey is making his typically strong contribution.

Yep.  Aren't you glad to see Jamal found a place he can play at a level more conducive to his ability?   ::)  What are your thoughts on his ability playing against the 26th most difficult schedule this season so far and averaging 21ppg, with an eFG of 55.9% and averaging 9 rebounds per game? 

Jamal would have been our best player on the team this year, and a great fit.  Was unfortunate Shaka couldn't convince him to stay.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: zcg2013 on December 22, 2021, 09:53:54 AM
https://twitter.com/OaklandMBB/status/1473467598272712707?s=20

Seems like Jamal knew Joey sucks at closeouts and bites hard on pump fakes.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: MU82 on December 22, 2021, 09:58:52 AM
Yep.  Aren't you glad to see Jamal found a place he can play at a level more conducive to his ability?   ::)  What are your thoughts on his ability playing against the 26th most difficult schedule this season so far and averaging 21ppg, with an eFG of 55.9% and averaging 9 rebounds per game? 

Jamal would have been our best player on the team this year, and a great fit.  Was unfortunate Shaka couldn't convince him to stay.

Yes, I am happy for how well he is doing this season for his Horizon League team. I've always liked Jamal.

The rest of your post is opinion based on hypothetical situations.

It would have been great if Shaka could have kept him; it's probably better for him that he moved on. He's getting to play 35-40 minutes every game, something in my opinion he would not have come close to doing for our Power 6 team.

We Are Marquette, Not Oakland!
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: BrewCity83 on December 22, 2021, 10:46:09 AM
https://twitter.com/OaklandMBB/status/1473467598272712707?s=20

Seems like Jamal knew Joey sucks at closeouts and bites hard on pump fakes.

That's 7 seconds of awesome!!  Love it!   ;D
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: tower912 on December 22, 2021, 11:00:31 AM
Just another guy with the Ja M as the first three letters of his name dunking on Joey. 
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: GoldenDieners32 on December 22, 2021, 11:05:46 AM
Was actually at the MSU vs Oakland game, glad to see Jamal dominate joey
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: tower912 on December 22, 2021, 11:09:23 AM
Oakland is going to be very good in the Horizon.    They played Sparty tough.    Sparty just had more weapons and depth.     Izzo has a record against Oakland similar to MU's against UWMilwaukee.   
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: Billy Hoyle on December 22, 2021, 11:34:39 AM
Don't you lose eligibility when you're 25? He has to be closing in on that before the years up.

No. One’s eligibility depends upon initial full time enrollment to start the five year clock. Some international kids have mandatory military service and can’t enroll until after they’re 20 or older, or Mormon kids who take a mission before (or after) enrolling. Then there are redshirts, medical hardships, and bow, the COVID year.

Remember, Chris Weinke was 28 when he won the Heisman at Florida State after playing baseball for six years.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: Herman Cain on December 22, 2021, 08:19:28 PM
Very Interesting comments by Jamal’s coach at Oakland on his draft status and ability to perform in the Horizon League. Something for all points of view on Jamal.

 https://www.detroitnews.com/story/sports/college/2021/12/22/oakland-basketball-jamal-cain-michigan-state-spartans/8994388002/
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: MU82 on December 22, 2021, 10:01:07 PM
Very Interesting comments by Jamal’s coach at Oakland on his draft status and ability to perform in the Horizon League. Something for all points of view on Jamal.

 https://www.detroitnews.com/story/sports/college/2021/12/22/oakland-basketball-jamal-cain-michigan-state-spartans/8994388002/

Good article, 9-9-9. Thanks for posting.

I hope Jamal absolutely crushes it in the Horizon League, gets drafted, makes an NBA roster and goes on to have a solid NBA career.

I will be happy to tell Ners, "On this one, you were right and I was wrong. It doesn't happen often."
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: tower912 on December 23, 2021, 11:11:15 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f8ZwkkBgW-Y
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: DoctorV on December 28, 2021, 11:35:36 PM
https://nypost.com/2021/12/28/manhattans-jose-perez-capitalizing-on-nil-deal-for-mother/

Nice article on Jose Perez, who is having a good season back home with the Jaspers
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: tower912 on December 29, 2021, 07:18:45 AM
Great story.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: MU82 on December 29, 2021, 07:33:18 AM
https://nypost.com/2021/12/28/manhattans-jose-perez-capitalizing-on-nil-deal-for-mother/

Nice article on Jose Perez, who is having a good season back home with the Jaspers

Thanks for that, Dr. V. Glad to see another former Marquette player thriving at a new school.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: Jockey on December 29, 2021, 11:16:49 AM
https://nypost.com/2021/12/28/manhattans-jose-perez-capitalizing-on-nil-deal-for-mother/

Nice article on Jose Perez, who is having a good season back home with the Jaspers

He looks much slimmer than he did at MU. Best wishes to him.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on December 29, 2021, 12:04:51 PM
He looks much slimmer than he did at MU. Best wishes to him.

Yeah I think he is a better player than what we saw last year.  He got sick and wasn't even planning on playing. 
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: pbiflyer on December 29, 2021, 09:20:45 PM
While not quite a former player, but yikes.

Gardner-Webb beats Georgia for first time 77-60
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/recap?gameId=401371852

Georgia lost its second straight, having fallen to East Tennessee State 86-84 a week ago, and have also lost at home to Wofford and George Mason.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: MU82 on December 29, 2021, 09:49:49 PM
It’s Gardner-Webb! It’s Gardner-Webb!
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on December 29, 2021, 09:57:01 PM
It’s Gardner-Webb! It’s Gardner-Webb!

Career suicide leaving MU.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: Lennys Tap on December 29, 2021, 10:14:16 PM
He may be out of work (again) when he comes to Milwaukee for his HOF induction.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: 4everwarriors on December 30, 2021, 08:26:24 AM
T-Cubed and Joanie should worship daily at the altar of DWade, hey?
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: 4everwarriors on December 30, 2021, 08:26:40 AM
Crean sucks
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: Jay Bee on December 30, 2021, 08:42:36 AM
Five years to judge.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: Herman Cain on December 30, 2021, 09:13:32 PM
Jamal with 22 and 14 in The Golden Grizzlies win over Bob Morris.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: lawdog77 on January 06, 2022, 10:16:08 AM
Koby has a good chance to go over 2000 points in his career. Sitting at 1743 with at least 17 games to play.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: Warrior of Law on January 07, 2022, 10:44:59 AM
Quick check of numbers on Dawson (21 min/game; 6th on the team), Torrence (12 min/game) and John (13 min/game).  You hope that players find the right situation for them personally, and that includes playing time.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: MU82 on January 07, 2022, 11:25:47 AM
Quick check of numbers on Dawson (21 min/game; 6th on the team), Torrence (12 min/game) and John (13 min/game).  You hope that players find the right situation for them personally, and that includes playing time.

Garcia sat out UNC's last game with a concussion. Unless Hubert Davis misled him, he had to know what he was getting into with Bacot already on the roster and Manek having signed 3 months before he did.

Theo is getting exactly the amount of PT any knowledgeable person would have expected.

Basketball-wise, Torrence probably should have moved down a level, as Cain, McEwen and Perez did. He wasn't good enough to get minutes here, and he isn't good enough to get minutes at Syracuse. Frankly, I'm a little surprised he's playing even 12 mpg. But if he's happy being there for personal or whatever other reasons, then I'm glad for him, too.

 
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: mug644 on January 07, 2022, 02:10:34 PM
...Basketball-wise, Torrence probably should have moved down a level, as Cain, McEwen and Perez did. He wasn't good enough to get minutes here, and he isn't good enough to get minutes at Syracuse. Frankly, I'm a little surprised he's playing even 12 mpg. But if he's happy being there for personal or whatever other reasons, then I'm glad for him, too.

Syracuse has its 5 starters all averaging more than 28 mpg The next three play in terms of playing time are between 10 and 13 minutes. Torrence one of those three, and the only one who is a guard. And he's from the area. FWIW.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: Jay Bee on January 07, 2022, 02:19:09 PM
Symir a blistering 29.4 eFg%. (And a FT so bad it Matta —- 36.4%. Yikes
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: panda on January 07, 2022, 02:22:55 PM
Symir a blistering 29.4 eFg%. (And a FT so bad it Matta —- 36.4%. Yikes

Did you ever see him play on the circuit? Just wondering if his evaluators were wildly incorrect or if he didn’t progress at the college level.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: dgies9156 on January 07, 2022, 03:09:45 PM
Quick check of numbers on Dawson (21 min/game; 6th on the team), Torrence (12 min/game) and John (13 min/game).  You hope that players find the right situation for them personally, and that includes playing time.

Same old Theo.

Two fouls in 12 minutes a game. Equates to fouling out in the PT he got at Marquette.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: MU82 on January 07, 2022, 04:01:03 PM
Same old Theo.

Two fouls in 12 minutes a game. Equates to fouling out in the PT he got at Marquette.

The difference now is that Duke doesn't need him on the court. His fouls -- or at least his aggressive play -- is more valuable.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: willie warrior on January 08, 2022, 12:14:53 PM
Five years to judge.
7 years is the new normal for guys like Wojo-Dukiet
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: pbiflyer on January 13, 2022, 07:46:35 AM
Ouch, Theo with 4 fouls, no points, 1 rebound in 6 minutes against Wake Forest.

Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: mug644 on January 13, 2022, 07:51:47 AM
Joey!! With the buzzer beater for the win.

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/recap?gameId=401364377 (https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/recap?gameId=401364377)
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: DoctorV on January 13, 2022, 08:00:28 AM
Why does the article call him much maligned, he having problems at MSU also?

Maybe he’s just depressed, hopefully he finds a way out of it. That bucket could help!
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: tower912 on January 13, 2022, 08:04:43 AM
He hasn't lived up to expectations.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: MU82 on January 13, 2022, 10:34:20 AM
Why does the article call him much maligned, he having problems at MSU also?

Been booed and mocked by MSU fans. Not at last night's final horn though, I'm guessing.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: Herman Cain on January 15, 2022, 03:55:23 PM
Jamal got in foul trouble today, fouled out and only played 18 minutes, during the time he still managed to score 18 points and collect 6 Rebounds. Oakland won and is now 13-4 with a 7-0 Horizon League record. Rooting for Jamal and The Golden Grizzlies to make The Dance.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: LloydsLegs on January 16, 2022, 08:08:49 AM
Been booed and mocked by MSU fans. Not at last night's final horn though, I'm guessing.

Nice line for Joey in MSU loss to NU yesterday. 

21 minutes, 4 fouls, 2 turnovers, 3 points, 1 rebound, 2 assists
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: StillWarriors on January 16, 2022, 08:29:21 AM
Nice line for Joey in MSU loss to NU yesterday. 

21 minutes, 4 fouls, 2 turnovers, 3 points, 1 rebound, 2 assists

MSU fans can go back to despising him now.

Nice game for Theo yesterday. 4-4, 10 pts and at least one block. That team is loaded with talent and NBA bodies.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: Uncle Rico on January 16, 2022, 09:36:15 AM
Nice line for Joey in MSU loss to NU yesterday. 

21 minutes, 4 fouls, 2 turnovers, 3 points, 1 rebound, 2 assists

Insert Joey Hauser in a Twitter search.  Sparty fans are mean SOBs
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: MU82 on January 16, 2022, 09:47:45 AM
Nice game for Theo yesterday. 4-4, 10 pts and at least one block. That team is loaded with talent and NBA bodies.

Theo wound up in the perfect place. He can play 10-15 minutes spelling one of the best bigs in the country, he doesn't have to worry about foul trouble, he has a legit shot at the Final Four, and he can pursue an advanced degree at a great university. It's perfect for Duke, too, as they have an experienced, hard-working backup at an important position.

Theo gave Marquette all he had for four years but I'm glad he moved on because it was time for both parties. Good on him that he landed in a great spot.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: Newsdreams on January 16, 2022, 04:47:28 PM
Nice line for Joey in MSU loss to NU yesterday. 

21 minutes, 4 fouls, 2 turnovers, 3 points, 1 rebound, 2 assists
Hey, give him credit - 50% from 3pt
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: pbiflyer on January 16, 2022, 08:11:02 PM
Saw that Garcia isn’t starting for UNC.  4 points on 0-4 shooting, but 11 boards Saturday in 20 minutes.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: panda on January 16, 2022, 08:23:31 PM
Saw that Garcia isn’t starting for UNC.  4 points on 0-4 shooting, but 11 boards Saturday in 20 minutes.

He had a concussion. First game back and he’s otherwise been a starter all season.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on January 16, 2022, 08:31:48 PM
He had a concussion. First game back and he’s otherwise been a starter all season.

Think thats gonna change going forward.

Bacot is playing way too good right now and Manek has been clearly better as well.

Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: panda on January 16, 2022, 08:37:50 PM
Think thats gonna change going forward.

Bacot is playing way too good right now and Manek has been clearly better as well.

Agreed - Manek is the much better player this year. Bacot is on the short list for player of the year in my book.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on January 18, 2022, 08:09:51 PM
Dawson 1/4 3 pts in UNCs 28 point beatdown to Miami
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: Herman Cain on January 18, 2022, 08:21:06 PM
Hopefully Traci Carter and The Hartford Hawks will be back in action Wednesday night . No Hartford games for 27 days due to protocals.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: pbiflyer on January 22, 2022, 10:02:32 AM
Former MU players facing off today with Syracuse Duke game.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: 1SE on January 22, 2022, 10:06:09 AM
Theo wound up in the perfect place. He can play 10-15 minutes spelling one of the best bigs in the country, he doesn't have to worry about foul trouble, he has a legit shot at the Final Four, and he can pursue an advanced degree at a great university. It's perfect for Duke, too, as they have an experienced, hard-working backup at an important position.

Theo gave Marquette all he had for four years but I'm glad he moved on because it was time for both parties. Good on him that he landed in a great spot.

Yeah, Theo was a true warrior but  glad he's not on this year's team
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: Afroman on January 23, 2022, 04:09:58 PM
In his last six games (one exited early because of injury), Dawson Garcia averaging 3.7 ppg in 14.7 minutes per contest for unranked UNC. Ouch.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: tower912 on January 23, 2022, 04:12:58 PM
The injury was a concussion.   Ouch.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: Afroman on January 23, 2022, 04:21:24 PM
Indeed. He played only three minutes in that one.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: MU82 on January 25, 2022, 07:50:52 AM
From the Raleigh News & Observer:

North Carolina sophomore forward Dawson Garcia is out for tonight’s game against Virginia Tech while heading to Minnesota to attend to an illness in his family, according to UNC.

Garcia has played just three games since suffering a concussion in the Tar Heels’ win over Boston College on Jan. 2. The Heels split the two games he missed, losing at Notre Dame, but beating Virginia at home.

The 6-foot-11 native of Prior Lake, Minn., started 12 of the first 13 games of the season. He has come off the bench the past three games after returning from his concussion. Garcia, who transferred from Marquette, is averaging 9.0 points and 5.5 rebounds.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: Herman Cain on January 27, 2022, 09:00:54 PM
https://www.wxyz.com/sports/jamal-cain-becomes-key-piece-of-oakland-basketballs-push-towards-the-postseason
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: mileskishnish72 on January 27, 2022, 09:38:03 PM
Rooting for Jamal and The Golden Grizzlies to make The Dance.
I agree, it would be great for Jamal.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: DoctorV on January 29, 2022, 10:09:14 PM
I’ll just put this here since he’s a former coach

Buzz loses at home to South Carolina by 11, bad loss for a squad with one of the weakest non-cons in America.
That’s 4 straight losses and another non-bid season for Buzz.

They have big road games at Tennessee and Auburn but the season is fading fast.

Hope this doesn’t turn into another former coaches deal and I almost didn’t want to post this because of that, but it kinda surprises me that I’m pulling for Buzz to fail. Not really sure why, I loved what he brought to Marquette and he gave us some great memories. I very rarely comment on former coaches so I get a pass here.

Maybe it’s because I’m starting to see that he’s always just cared about himself and he’s kinda slimey? It’s almost as if he’s nitpicked these “safety” jobs that he knew he would have a long leash in at VaTech and A&M.
I get that he’s at home in Texas and all, but is it just me or is his star beginning to fade?

Crap I did it again…
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: warriorchick on January 29, 2022, 10:13:17 PM


Maybe it’s because I’m starting to see that he’s always just cared about himself and he’s kinda slimey?

This. Times 100.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: JWags85 on January 29, 2022, 11:42:52 PM
Maybe it’s because I’m starting to see that he’s always just cared about himself and he’s kinda slimey? It’s almost as if he’s nitpicked these “safety” jobs that he knew he would have a long leash in at VaTech and A&M.
I get that he’s at home in Texas and all, but is it just me or is his star beginning to fade?

Crap I did it again…

This is no means a defense of Buzz, but I've always kind of come to peace with the fact that basically all college coaches are mercenaries and money/job security/etc... will always supersede the things that keep the fans of their program happy.  Do I think a lot of his schtick is just that?  Absolutely.  Hes a very analytical, calculating, and shrewd guy who happens to be from Texas, not some folksy downhome yokel.  That being said, I don't think his "me first" or whatnot attitude is that different from most of the coaching world or that he's any slimier than the rest.

I think he took the VT job cause he wanted out of Milwaukee yesterday.  He wanted a Texas job but there was none at the time and so he went somewhere with lots of resources and low expectations/high flexibility.  It was always a stepping stone move.

A&M doesn't feel like a safety job pick tho.  He was an assistant there for a couple years.  It was his best assistant gig before MU.  Seemed like a good fit and got him back to his home state.  Its not like he took the TCU job or Rice.

But his star is definitely starting to fade.  Assuming he finishes the season under .500 in conference, there isn't much progress at all to speak of.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: DoctorV on February 02, 2022, 04:37:41 PM
From the Sconnie v Illini pregame blurb

A second-team All-American last season and the preseason pick as Big Ten player of the year, Cockburn is averaging 21.1 points and 11.6 rebounds per game. He is joined by Oakland's Jamal Cain as the nation's only players averaging at least 20 points and 10 rebounds.

Even though he’s tapered off some, really nice year for Jamal.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: Herman Cain on February 02, 2022, 06:12:24 PM
From the Sconnie v Illini pregame blurb

A second-team All-American last season and the preseason pick as Big Ten player of the year, Cockburn is averaging 21.1 points and 11.6 rebounds per game. He is joined by Oakland's Jamal Cain as the nation's only players averaging at least 20 points and 10 rebounds.

Even though he’s tapered off some, really nice year for Jamal.
Oakland now 17-5 and 10-1 in Conference, Jamal had 26 and 12 in his last game, a win over UIC. Hope the Golden Grizzlies make the dance.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on February 02, 2022, 06:47:18 PM
Oakland now 17-5 and 10-1 in Conference, Jamal had 26 and 12 in his last game, a win over UIC. Hope the Golden Grizzlies make the dance.

Your Big Sky coverage is lacking. Koby having a year too.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: DoctorV on February 02, 2022, 07:15:01 PM
As is Jose Perez over at Manhattan but the Jaspers are struggling more than Oakland and Weber St
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: rocky_warrior on February 02, 2022, 07:34:43 PM
Yeah, of transfers, all 3 from MU rank in the top 50.  Cain at #24, Perez #33, McEwen #37.

https://www.barttorvik.com/playerstat.php?link=y&minGP=5&xvalue=trans&year=all&kw=22&start=-11101&end=all0501
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: bilsu on February 02, 2022, 07:45:22 PM
Yeah, of transfers, all 3 from MU rank in the top 50.  Cain at #24, Perez #33, McEwen #37.

https://www.barttorvik.com/playerstat.php?link=y&minGP=5&xvalue=trans&year=all&kw=22&start=-11101&end=all0501
None of the transfers into MU made the top 50, which surprised me.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: rocky_warrior on February 02, 2022, 08:06:37 PM
None of the transfers into MU made the top 50, which surprised me.

It's sorted by "Points Over Replacement Per Adjusted Game At That Usage! (https://www.bigtengeeks.com/new-stat-porpagatu/)", so no surprise Morsell, Kolek, Kuath, and Prosper don't make it.   Torvik doesn't appear to have a combined defensive rating to sort by (the world loves offense).

edit: Just realized Garcia doesn't show up anywhere on his transfers.  I donno...
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: Herman Cain on February 02, 2022, 08:43:39 PM
Your Big Sky coverage is lacking. Koby having a year too.
Koby and the Weber State team are doing well. Have the same 17-5 overall record and 10-1 conference record that Oakland has . Koby must be enjoying this season.

Has
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: JWags85 on February 02, 2022, 10:19:28 PM
Koby and the Weber State team are doing well. Have the same 17-5 overall record and 10-1 conference record that Oakland has . Koby must be enjoying this season.

Has

Weber plays a fun up tempo style of basketball.  He’s shining, good for him. Hopefully setting himself up for some higher level Euro action next season
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: MU82 on February 02, 2022, 11:39:02 PM
Weber plays a fun up tempo style of basketball.  He’s shining, good for him. Hopefully setting himself up for some higher level Euro action next season

My junior year, I got some higher level Euro action. Damn, I miss her!
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: 4everwarriors on February 03, 2022, 07:42:30 PM
Diversity trainin', aina?
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: lawdog77 on February 04, 2022, 08:46:02 AM
My junior year, I got some higher level Euro action. Damn, I miss her!
That was at the height of the Cold War, right before the Cuban Missile Crisis, so you were being used by a spy.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: Herman Cain on February 04, 2022, 09:11:19 AM
Weber plays a fun up tempo style of basketball.  He’s shining, good for him. Hopefully setting himself up for some higher level Euro action next season
Koby is Canadian, so he can also easily be on a pro team in Canada as a local. That is what Junior did.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: MU82 on February 04, 2022, 09:12:14 AM
That was at the height of the Cold War, right before the Cuban Missile Crisis, so you were being used by a spy.

Nobody does it better ... makes me feel sad for the rest ... nobody does it half as good as you ... baby, you're the best.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: zcg2013 on February 04, 2022, 09:56:35 AM
Not a former player, but this is sad to see.

https://www.barstoolsports.com/blog/3404658/ucla-basketball-player-mac-etienne-was-arrested-in-the-arena-after-he-apparently-spit-on-arizona-fans
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: JWags85 on February 04, 2022, 10:16:21 AM
Koby is Canadian, so he can also easily be on a pro team in Canada as a local. That is what Junior did.

Yea but that league is awful and the pay stinks, I highly doubt that is his ambition.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: We R Final Four on February 04, 2022, 11:22:58 AM
Yeah, of transfers, all 3 from MU rank in the top 50.  Cain at #24, Perez #33, McEwen #37.

https://www.barttorvik.com/playerstat.php?link=y&minGP=5&xvalue=trans&year=all&kw=22&start=-11101&end=all0501
All 3 moved down to mid majors and are having success at that level.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: rocky_warrior on February 04, 2022, 11:57:03 AM
All 3 moved down to mid majors and are having success at that level.

Agreed!  Not bemoaning that they left, or aren't on the team.  Though impressive those 3 can be top 50 in offensive stats.  Not every player that moved down makes that top 50.  In fact, looking at the list, it looks like ~20 moved down, ~20 moved up, and ~10 went lateral.  Give or take a few counting in either direction.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: Herman Cain on February 10, 2022, 09:49:55 PM
Excellent article on Dexter Akanno. Seems to be enjoying Oregon State
https://www.oregonlive.com/beavers/2022/02/oregon-state-guard-dexter-akanno-finds-joy-in-making-food-runs-for-homeless-everybody-has-a-story.html
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: pbiflyer on February 10, 2022, 10:01:05 PM
Excellent article on Dexter Akanno. Seems to be enjoying Oregon State
https://www.oregonlive.com/beavers/2022/02/oregon-state-guard-dexter-akanno-finds-joy-in-making-food-runs-for-homeless-everybody-has-a-story.html

Kind of forgot about him. Glad he’s happy.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: tower912 on February 11, 2022, 05:34:56 AM
Myocarditis from COVID.  That sucks.  Great attitude toward life and giving back.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: DoctorV on February 11, 2022, 07:52:07 PM
Wtf happened to Oregon St?

From Elite 8 to 3-18?
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: Uncle Rico on February 12, 2022, 09:28:01 AM
Wtf happened to Oregon St?

From Elite 8 to 3-18?

They weren’t getting into the dance last year without winning the Pac-12 tournament and caught a heater. 
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: JWags85 on February 13, 2022, 10:11:19 AM
Wtf happened to Oregon St?

From Elite 8 to 3-18?

They also lost Ethan Thompson who was their one bonafide star player.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: Markusquette on February 13, 2022, 11:21:16 AM
Not a former player, but this is sad to see.

https://www.barstoolsports.com/blog/3404658/ucla-basketball-player-mac-etienne-was-arrested-in-the-arena-after-he-apparently-spit-on-arizona-fans

Looks like we dodged a bullet then
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: Herman Cain on February 13, 2022, 04:06:23 PM
Jamal with 32 and 12 in The Golden Grizzlies win over Detroit . The team is now 18-8 (11-4 in Horizon League)
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: DegenerateDish on February 18, 2022, 09:51:23 PM
Cain just had about the worst last minute of basketball you can have. He flat out missed an uncontested dunk to take the lead with a minute left, and then a brutal turnover down 2 with 6 seconds left where he was casually bringing the ball up, and Wright State just grabbed the ball out of his hands.

Woof.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: Small Orange Soda on February 18, 2022, 09:52:18 PM
Cain just had about the worst last minute of basketball you can have. He flat out missed an uncontested dunk to take the lead with a minute left, and then a brutal turnover down 2 with 6 seconds left where he was casually bringing the ball up, and Wright State just grabbed the ball out of his hands.

Woof.

Yup.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: wadesworld on February 20, 2022, 03:51:57 PM
https://www.thetimesnews.com/in-depth/sports/2022/02/17/who-coach-k-duke-basketball-final-last-recruit-theo-john-blue-devils/9115107002/?fbclid=IwAR1FRSa2DqFj8SGDitCNV3OEgl0rtG-9yNOuMakz17x70sAXgUriC0lSanE
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: jfp61 on February 24, 2022, 09:31:33 PM
Loyola Marymount's defense is special. I watched the first 8 minutes of that game. Down 17-5.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: MU82 on February 24, 2022, 10:46:43 PM
https://www.thetimesnews.com/in-depth/sports/2022/02/17/who-coach-k-duke-basketball-final-last-recruit-theo-john-blue-devils/9115107002/?fbclid=IwAR1FRSa2DqFj8SGDitCNV3OEgl0rtG-9yNOuMakz17x70sAXgUriC0lSanE

Can't see it. Goes straight behind paywall.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: rocky_warrior on February 24, 2022, 11:11:00 PM
Can't see it. Goes straight behind paywall.

Twitter thread is interesting.  Theo hasn't cut his hair since HS.  Who knew.
https://twitter.com/daveth89/status/1494311086153248770?cxt=HHwWhMC9oYCB7rwpAAAA
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: EasyDuzIt on February 24, 2022, 11:45:28 PM
totally forgot about former commit jonas Aidoo...went to Tennessee and hasn't made much of an impact whatsoever
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on February 24, 2022, 11:59:06 PM
totally forgot about former commit jonas Aidoo...went to Tennessee and hasn't made much of an impact whatsoever

He missed the entire summer, preseason, and I believe part of the first half of the season with an illness. I'm not sure if what he had was ever made public. Assuming he's healthy, I would expect a nice bounceback season for him next year.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: genious expert on February 25, 2022, 05:59:08 AM
He missed the entire summer, preseason, and I believe part of the first half of the season with an illness. I'm not sure if what he had was ever made public. Assuming he's healthy, I would expect a nice bounceback season for him next year.

He had Mono
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on February 25, 2022, 06:37:37 AM
He had Mono

Ah thanks. I also just checked on Mr. Aidoo's stats. In the past three games he is averaging 19 minutes, 5 points, 6 rebounds, and 2 blocks a game. Not sure why the sudden increase in playing time but he seems to have found a role there.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: BrewCity83 on February 25, 2022, 11:51:17 AM
Can't see it. Goes straight behind paywall.

Not a strict paywall, just a payfence.  Click on the subscribe button, then you can decline and click on the SPORTS tab at the top and you're in.  You have to scroll down about a week to find the Theo story, but it's worth the read.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: EasyDuzIt on February 26, 2022, 12:09:55 AM
Ah thanks. I also just checked on Mr. Aidoo's stats. In the past three games he is averaging 19 minutes, 5 points, 6 rebounds, and 2 blocks a game. Not sure why the sudden increase in playing time but he seems to have found a role there.

thanks for the info didn't know he was sick just looked up his stats and saw little playing time and impact...good sign for him then and could help Tennessee out down the stretch here
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: Herman Cain on February 26, 2022, 05:52:54 PM
Koby had another solid day today for Weber State, will need to win their conference tournament to make NCAA.  The Wildcats  are currently third in the Big Sky.

Jamal had another solid performance in the Golden Grizzlies win over Cleveland State. Unfortunately the team has faded to 5th which will make their conference tournament run a bit challenging. Jamal finished the regular season at 20.1 points and 10.1 rebounds a game. 49.1 percent from the field , 29.9 percent from 3 and 85.4 from the line .

Sy and Theo are playing today in front of a packed crowd in the Carrier Dome

Dexter and his Oregon State Beavers got routed by UCLA

Traci Carter (7th Year) led Hartford over NJIT

Dawson is at home for the rest of the season.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: Uncle Rico on February 26, 2022, 08:49:42 PM
Congrats to Brian Wardle and Bradley wrapping up the 5-seed in the Valley.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: genious expert on February 26, 2022, 10:56:52 PM
Congrats to Brian Wardle and Bradley wrapping up the 5-seed in the Valley.

A special season.
Big leap from the 8th place finish last year
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: BrewCity83 on February 28, 2022, 11:13:17 AM
A special season.
Big leap from the 8th place finish last year

Wojoesque.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: PJDunn on February 28, 2022, 11:15:31 AM
The red shoes would look great at Fiserv!!!
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: Newsdreams on February 28, 2022, 12:19:29 PM
The red shoes would look great at Fiserv!!!
Source?
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on February 28, 2022, 01:09:45 PM
Per KenPom, Koby is the frontrunner for Big Sky Player of the Year this season. Jamal Cain is #2 in the Horizon and Jose Perez is #3 in the MAAC.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: zcg2013 on February 28, 2022, 01:15:55 PM
Jamal was just named Co-POY in the horizon.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: Herman Cain on February 28, 2022, 02:53:47 PM
Jamal was just named Co-POY in the horizon.
Congrats Jamal

https://www.freep.com/story/sports/college/2022/02/28/detroit-mercy-antoine-davis-oakland-jamal-cain-horizon-league-players-year/9320576002/
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: Herman Cain on February 28, 2022, 02:57:48 PM
(https://www.gannett-cdn.com/presto/2021/12/22/PDTF/7fdf0b42-544a-43f4-bfd3-fc79a5ae0ec7-MSU_12212021_kd692.jpg?width=300&height=320&fit=crop&format=pjpg&auto=webp)
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: Pakuni on March 03, 2022, 09:12:32 PM
Jose Perez scores 27, including a last-second game winner, to lead Manhattan over Iona.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: PointWarrior on March 03, 2022, 09:16:24 PM
Shaka wins the big east if keeps these three ?

Add in Theo and maybe a national championship?



Per KenPom, Koby is the frontrunner for Big Sky Player of the Year this season. Jamal Cain is #2 in the Horizon and Jose Perez is #3 in the MAAC.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: MarquetteMike1977 on March 03, 2022, 10:22:00 PM
Jose Perez scores 27, including a last-second game winner, to lead Manhattan over Iona.
Thank You for posting. Just saw post game highlights on FS1  Manhattan 74 Iona 72.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: MarquetteMike1977 on March 03, 2022, 10:30:30 PM
Dexter Akanno playing on FS1 now for Oregon State
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: MU82 on March 04, 2022, 10:36:01 AM
Thank You for posting. Just saw post game highlights on FS1  Manhattan 74 Iona 72.

In other words, Slick Rick Pitino had no defense for Jose Perez!
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: Uncle Rico on March 04, 2022, 06:59:54 PM
Brian Wardle was owned by Drew Valentine this afternoon.  Sad! 
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: Newsdreams on March 05, 2022, 07:18:42 AM
Brian Wardle was owned by Drew Valentine this afternoon.  Sad!
So our next coach is now owned!!!
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: Uncle Rico on March 05, 2022, 09:12:53 AM
So our next coach is now owned!!!

My sources inside the Al tell me Wardle has already packed his bags to come home.  Look for the announcement shortly after selection Sunday
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: cheebs09 on March 05, 2022, 10:36:24 AM
My sources inside the Al tell me Wardle has already packed his bags to come home.  Look for the announcement shortly after selection Sunday

Getting back into the Horizon at UWM?
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: Uncle Rico on March 05, 2022, 10:57:42 AM
Getting back into the Horizon at UWM?

No, taking over at Marquette.  This season has been unmitigated disaster for the ‘gles
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: MU82 on March 05, 2022, 11:01:15 AM
No, taking over at Marquette.  This season has been unmitigated disaster for the ‘gles

Yep. If we don't win the national title, all blame goes to Lipe-Nagle-Raymonds-Smart.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: CountryRoads on March 05, 2022, 11:59:08 AM
Found it interesting that Greg is showing up on some social media content with Morsell and Kuath as being one of the seniors. Wonder if that means he’ll be moving on after this year. It’d be kind of dumb to have him honored again next year if he stays.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: MU82 on March 05, 2022, 12:03:03 PM
Found it interesting that Greg is showing up on some social media content with Morsell and Kuath as being one of the seniors. Wonder if that means he’ll be moving on after this year. It’d be kind of dumb to have him honored again next year if he stays.

What if he's 95% sure he's leaving? How about 75% sure?

Or do you only honor him if he says today, "I'm 100% sure I'm going"?

Greg's been at Marquette 5 years. He stayed even when others in his position jumped ship. I have absolutely no problem honoring him tonight. If he happens to return next season, that's cool too.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: We R Final Four on March 05, 2022, 12:06:55 PM
Found it interesting that Greg is showing up on some social media content with Morsell and Kuath as being one of the seniors. Wonder if that means he’ll be moving on after this year. It’d be kind of dumb to have him honored again next year if he stays.
I have never heard of any player being honored twice on Senior Day. I think this means he gowne.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: Uncle Rico on March 05, 2022, 12:41:34 PM
He gowne
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: 4everwarriors on March 05, 2022, 12:56:07 PM
He is gone, hey?
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: Newsdreams on March 05, 2022, 12:59:21 PM
I have never heard of any player being honored twice on Senior Day. I think this means he gowne.
Except he said he had not made up his mind yet when asked on Thursday. But it could all be mind games or smoke  & mirrors
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: cheebs09 on March 05, 2022, 01:02:26 PM
Except he said he had not made up his mind yet when asked on Thursday. But it could all be mind games or smoke  & mirrors

My guess is he’s made up his mind, but doesn’t want to announce he’s leaving until the season is over.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: Newsdreams on March 05, 2022, 01:57:09 PM
My guess is he’s made up his mind, but doesn’t want to announce he’s leaving until the season is over.
It was mainly teal less teal. But yes, still it wouldn't be like a shocking announcement.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on March 05, 2022, 06:30:21 PM
My sources inside the Al tell me Wardle has already packed his bags to come home.  Look for the announcement shortly after selection Sunday

Hinsdale Central here he comes!
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: bilsu on March 05, 2022, 06:38:08 PM
I have never heard of any player being honored twice on Senior Day. I think this means he gowne.
I watch a game today where two or three seniors were having their second senior night and one of them could still come back for a third.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: rocky_warrior on March 05, 2022, 07:58:55 PM
Greg may grad transfer.  But I'd put money on this year being his final year at Marquette.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: Newsdreams on March 05, 2022, 08:09:50 PM
Greg may grad transfer.  But I'd put money on this year being his final year at Marquette.
Is it an Arby's moment?
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: rocky_warrior on March 05, 2022, 08:34:37 PM
Is it an Arby's moment?

Every moment is an Arby's moment as long as they keep making payments on the yacht.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: We R Final Four on March 06, 2022, 08:02:36 AM
I watch a game today where two or three seniors were having their second senior night and one of them could still come back for a third.
Yes—UConn game. Whaley and Polley(I think). They had a senior night last year and one this year. So, i stand corrected….it dies happen.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: Skip Intro on March 06, 2022, 09:01:48 AM
Per KenPom, Koby is the frontrunner for Big Sky Player of the Year this season. Jamal Cain is #2 in the Horizon and Jose Perez is #3 in the MAAC.

I watched a lot of Weber St. games this season (they were always on ESPN+), and Koby is definitely a great player in the Big Sky, but is high-usage and not noticeably "improved" from his MU days.  I suspect Jamal's case is similar.  It just speaks to the strength of the Big East - players who step down in competition can make a big splash, while those making more of a lateral move (like Joey at MSU, Dawson at UNC, Theo at Duke, Symir at Syracuse, even Dexter at Oregon St., ) don't see big changes in their contribution and numbers.  I don't know that we'd be any better or worse with Koby or Jamal this year, but I bet they've had fun. 
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: Pakuni on March 08, 2022, 12:01:37 PM
Koby named Big Sky Newcomer of the Year and first-team all conference.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: jfp61 on March 09, 2022, 07:30:10 AM
Symir is able to play

https://twitter.com/jonrothstein/status/1501550475619053575?s=21
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: Shooter McGavin on March 09, 2022, 08:15:09 AM
Based on the fan comments they are happy he’s back.  Only point guard on the roster?
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: Herman Cain on March 09, 2022, 10:27:41 AM
Traci Carter and The Hartford Hawks against UMBC tonight.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: Herman Cain on March 09, 2022, 10:32:52 AM
Excellent article on Sy Torrence in The Daily Orange

https://dailyorange.com/2022/03/symir-torrence-emergence-role-player-waiting-is-over/
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: Skip Intro on March 09, 2022, 10:40:40 AM
Based on the fan comments they are happy he’s back.  Only point guard on the roster?

He's definitely their quickest and most athletic player when he's on the floor.  He plays a bit out of control at times, though, and struggles finishing at the rim (at least in the few games I saw earlier in the year).  His game seems like an odd fit for their style of play, or at least an odd fit for the current make-up of their roster (which might be 90% Boeheims at this point). 
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: lawdog77 on March 09, 2022, 10:50:27 AM
He's definitely their quickest and most athletic player when he's on the floor.  He plays a bit out of control at times, though, and struggles finishing at the rim (at least in the few games I saw earlier in the year).  His game seems like an odd fit for their style of play, or at least an odd fit for the current make-up of their roster (which might be 90% Boeheims at this point).
Is the Boeheim cloning experiment done, or are there future Boeheim's in the pipeline?
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: We R Final Four on March 09, 2022, 10:55:55 AM
Is the Boeheim cloning experiment done, or are there future Boeheim's in the pipeline?
Right? They are like the Bohannons of Iowa.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: brewcity77 on March 09, 2022, 11:10:55 AM
Is the Boeheim cloning experiment done, or are there future Boeheim's in the pipeline?

Looks like they are done, he has 4 kids and the only other active basketball player is a daughter at University of Rochester. Seems kind of wild that none of his kids came through until he was in his mid-70s, but I guess that's what happens when you remarry someone 20 years younger.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on March 09, 2022, 11:28:26 AM
Is the Boeheim cloning experiment done, or are there future Boeheim's in the pipeline?

His dirtbag of a son just went full davison.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: mugrad_89 on March 09, 2022, 11:29:34 AM
His dirtbag of a son just went full davison.

Serious trash move, and the ref was right there and didn’t call anything.  He should’ve been kicked out of the game.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on March 09, 2022, 11:31:55 AM
Serious trash move, and the ref was right there and didn’t call anything.  He should’ve been kicked out of the game.

Really strange move too.

Cuse was up 15 and steam rolling. It wasnt a big fight for positioning or anything.

He just out of no where decided to punch a dude in the sternum. He's lucky the FSU kid kept quiet and didnt tell the refs why he was clearly doubled over in pain.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: BrewCity83 on March 09, 2022, 11:36:03 AM
Similar tactic, but Davison goes lower.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: mugrad_89 on March 09, 2022, 11:36:20 AM
Really strange move too.

Cuse was up 15 and steam rolling. It wasnt a big fight for positioning or anything.

He just out of no where decided to punch a dude in the sternum. He's lucky the FSU kid kept quiet and didnt tell the refs why he was clearly doubled over in pain.

He’s a punk, so nothing he does surprises me.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: JWags85 on March 09, 2022, 12:21:56 PM
What a weird and uncharacteristically forgettable season for Hamilton at FSU
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: panda on March 09, 2022, 12:25:52 PM
What a weird and uncharacteristically forgettable season for Hamilton at FSU

It’s a down acc, but still remarkable that fsu managed to finish 10-10 with all of their injury issues they went through.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: rocket surgeon on March 09, 2022, 12:54:37 PM
symir having a nice game in syracuse blowout of florida st

  9 pts 9 asst 2 steals 3 reb  off the bench
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: MU82 on March 09, 2022, 12:58:18 PM
Traci Carter and The Hartford Hawks against UMBC tonight.

It's nice that Traci will be able to go right from playing college hoops to collecting Social Security.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: BrewCity83 on March 09, 2022, 04:36:08 PM
It's nice that Traci will be able to go right from playing college hoops to collecting Social Security.

He won't even get a chance to use those multiple doctorates he's earned.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: JWags85 on March 09, 2022, 06:15:17 PM
There are players who go on Mormon missions, red shirt a year at BYU, and still graduate younger than Traci by a good margin
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: MU82 on March 10, 2022, 08:16:20 AM
There are players who go on Mormon missions, red shirt a year at BYU, and still graduate younger than Traci by a good margin

Oh ... you ... don't ruin a perfectly good "Traci is so old ... " line!

How old is Traci?

Well, he's so old, he got a Flagrant 2 last game for gumming an opponent during a scrum.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: Herman Cain on March 11, 2022, 08:43:34 PM
Koby McEwen lost to Montana State.

Traci Carter closed out his career with 15 points in Hartfords loss to UMBC
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: MU82 on March 12, 2022, 12:29:39 AM
So Theo is the only ex-MU player still playing?
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: lawdog77 on March 12, 2022, 06:06:28 AM
So Theo is the only ex-MU player still playing?
(https://st4.depositphotos.com/12985790/20412/i/1600/depositphotos_204125804-stock-photo-cropped-view-female-hand-melting.jpg)
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: MUDPT on March 12, 2022, 06:20:43 AM
https://theathletic.com/3167868/2022/03/08/for-the-love-of-the-game-the-odyssey-of-the-7-year-college-basketball-players/

Nice article on Traci Carter (and others)
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: mileskishnish72 on March 12, 2022, 04:21:32 PM
(https://st4.depositphotos.com/12985790/20412/i/1600/depositphotos_204125804-stock-photo-cropped-view-female-hand-melting.jpg)
Love it, dog.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: MU82 on March 12, 2022, 06:20:21 PM
(https://st4.depositphotos.com/12985790/20412/i/1600/depositphotos_204125804-stock-photo-cropped-view-female-hand-melting.jpg)

Oh yeah! How could I forget?

Edit: 0 pts in 21 mins for VSS in MSU’s loss to Purdue. But he’s still “alive,” as MSU obviously will make the NCAAT.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: mileskishnish72 on March 12, 2022, 10:39:23 PM
Same for Theo.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: MU82 on March 13, 2022, 01:09:40 AM
Same for Theo.

Yep. Theo and Joey can't win their postseason conference titles but both still have a shot at the national title. I'd say Joey's chances are extremely slim, and Theo's chances aren't great.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: MU82 on March 21, 2022, 12:05:22 PM
Then there was one: Theo John.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: TSmith34, Inc. on March 21, 2022, 12:11:09 PM
Then there was one: Theo John.
Somewhere, nolongerwarriors is gnashing whatever teeth he has left.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: MU82 on March 21, 2022, 12:17:24 PM
Somewhere, nolongerwarriors nolongerscooper is gnashing whatever teeth he has left.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: Uncle Rico on March 21, 2022, 12:43:51 PM


Did he get the hammer?
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: We R Final Four on March 21, 2022, 01:08:16 PM
Did he get the hammer?
No…his team lost to an 11 seed in a home game.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: 4everwarriors on March 21, 2022, 06:30:38 PM
Oh yeah! How could I forget?

Edit: 0 pts in 21 mins for VSS in MSU’s loss to Purdue. But he’s still “alive,” as MSU obviously will make the NCAAT.






I thought found it inappropriate to criticize college athletes. Yet, you just did that in a very racist, demeaning manner, aina?

#hatehasnohomeherehypocrite
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: MU82 on March 21, 2022, 10:53:50 PM
I thought found it inappropriate to criticize college athletes. Yet, you just did that in a very racist, demeaning manner, aina?

#hatehasnohomeherehypocrite

You're funny.

But at least VSS never spoke up for racial equity, so I can see why you still love the little crybaby, who quit on his team during the season.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: Elonsmusk on March 23, 2022, 09:11:22 AM
You're funny.

But at least VSS never spoke up for racial equity, so I can see why you still love the little crybaby, who quit on his team during the season.

If your teammates chose to bring race into the discussion regarding your play as a basketball player, by way of giving you the nickname vanilla soft serve, why would you join their cause and support their protests for racial equity (or stick around and continue to play with them?) 

As for Theo, nice kid, but as it relates to soft serve, Theo would qualify as chocolate soft serve.   Joey Hauser was a much better basketball player than Theo, and a better rebounder for that matter - which is pretty surprising given Theo's physique.  Theo could only get on the court for 27% of the minutes at Duke whereas Izzo felt Joey was "tough" enough to start and play 54% of minutes.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: withoutbias on March 23, 2022, 09:15:51 AM
If your teammates chose to bring race into the discussion regarding your play as a basketball player, by way of giving you the nickname vanilla soft serve, why would you join their cause and support their protests for racial equity (or stick around and continue to play with them?) 

As for Theo, nice kid, but as it relates to soft serve, Theo would qualify as chocolate soft serve.   Joey Hauser was a much better basketball player than Theo, and a better rebounder for that matter - which is pretty surprising given Theo's physique.  Theo could only get on the court for 27% of the minutes at Duke whereas Izzo felt Joey was "tough" enough to start and play 54% of minutes.

Because racial equality is something that should be strived for everywhere and for everyone, regardless of if your precious feelings got hurt.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: Elonsmusk on March 23, 2022, 09:40:49 AM
Because racial equality is something that should be strived for everywhere and for everyone, regardless of if your precious feelings got hurt.

I agree.  Except to interject race attached to a derogatory attribute, is, ultimately being racist.  Nothing wrong with thinking or calling a teammate soft.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: MU82 on March 23, 2022, 11:50:42 AM
If your teammates chose to bring race into the discussion regarding your play as a basketball player, by way of giving you the nickname vanilla soft serve, why would you join their cause and support their protests for racial equity (or stick around and continue to play with them?) 

As for Theo, nice kid, but as it relates to soft serve, Theo would qualify as chocolate soft serve.   Joey Hauser was a much better basketball player than Theo, and a better rebounder for that matter - which is pretty surprising given Theo's physique.  Theo could only get on the court for 27% of the minutes at Duke whereas Izzo felt Joey was "tough" enough to start and play 54% of minutes.

Theo was a 3-star role player who has worked hard, supported his teammates, and performed his assigned role well for two teams. Joey was a near-5-star who has vastly underperformed the hype; his best season by far was under the Worst Coach Ever, and he has regressed significantly under a Hall of Fame coach. You love talking about recruiting rankings; by that measure, Joey has been one of the biggest recent failures in college basketball.

It was a white Scooper, not teammates, who nicknamed him Vanilla Soft Serve, and it's a fitting nickname for a pouty loser who quit on his team in the middle of a promising season.

As a Marquette alum, I'm proud of Theo John, who earned his degree in 4 years, who was on the BE All-Academic Team, who worked hard for our basketball team, and who recognized the importance of speaking for equity in a country plagued by systemic racism.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on March 23, 2022, 12:02:20 PM
If your teammates chose to bring race into the discussion regarding your play as a basketball player, by way of giving you the nickname vanilla soft serve, why would you join their cause and support their protests for racial equity (or stick around and continue to play with them?) 

As for Theo, nice kid, but as it relates to soft serve, Theo would qualify as chocolate soft serve.   Joey Hauser was a much better basketball player than Theo, and a better rebounder for that matter - which is pretty surprising given Theo's physique.  Theo could only get on the court for 27% of the minutes at Duke whereas Izzo felt Joey was "tough" enough to start and play 54% of minutes.

Wow is there a lot of stupid to unpack here.

First, you though the soft serve nick name was given out by the players??? LOL.

Second, did you just imply that the perfecentage of minutes Theo gets at Duke should equal the % Joey gets on this years MSU?

Third, Izzo thought Joey was capable enough to play 54% of minutes on one of Izzos weakest teams especially at Joeys position.

Im actually dumbfound you tried to compare minutes played at Duke a 2 seed with lottery picks and MSU a 7 seed with probably no current draft picks at all right now.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: Uncle Rico on March 23, 2022, 12:48:54 PM
Wow is there a lot of stupid to unpack here.

First, you though the soft serve nick name was given out by the players??? LOL.

Second, did you just imply that the perfecentage of minutes Theo gets at Duke should equal the % Joey gets on this years MSU?

Third, Izzo thought Joey was capable enough to play 54% of minutes on one of Izzos weakest teams especially at Joeys position.

Im actually dumbfound you tried to compare minutes played at Duke a 2 seed with lottery picks and MSU a 7 seed with probably no current draft picks at all right now.

Joey was overrated coming out of high school.  That’s not unique to him.  It happens with a lot of players.  He almost certainly played his best basketball before he got injured.

The reality is, he was pretty meh at Michigan State versus what was expected.  I saw a Spartans beat writer say this during the Davidson game, Joey would have been a very productive A-10 player.”
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on March 23, 2022, 01:11:53 PM
Joey was overrated coming out of high school.  That’s not unique to him.  It happens with a lot of players.  He almost certainly played his best basketball before he got injured.

The reality is, he was pretty meh at Michigan State versus what was expected.  I saw a Spartans beat writer say this during the Davidson game, Joey would have been a very productive A-10 player.”


I don't think the bolded is correct.  I think he just peaked early.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: Uncle Rico on March 23, 2022, 01:13:47 PM

I don't think the bolded is correct.  I think he just peaked early.

That might be the best way to say it
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: BrewCity83 on March 23, 2022, 01:39:14 PM
Joey is the big jock we all went to high school with who by the 10-year reunion was almost completely bald and overweight.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on March 23, 2022, 04:57:45 PM
Joey is the big jock we all went to high school with who by the 10-year reunion was almost completely bald and overweight.

So Scoop
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: Skatastrophy on March 23, 2022, 06:42:15 PM
So Scoop

I peaked in grade school.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: Elonsmusk on March 23, 2022, 07:55:43 PM
Theo was a 3-star role player who has worked hard, supported his teammates, and performed his assigned role well for two teams. Joey was a near-5-star who has vastly underperformed the hype; his best season by far was under the Worst Coach Ever, and he has regressed significantly under a Hall of Fame coach. You love talking about recruiting rankings; by that measure, Joey has been one of the biggest recent failures in college basketball.

It was a white Scooper, not teammates, who nicknamed him Vanilla Soft Serve, and it's a fitting nickname for a pouty loser who quit on his team in the middle of a promising season.

As a Marquette alum, I'm proud of Theo John, who earned his degree in 4 years, who was on the BE All-Academic Team, who worked hard for our basketball team, and who recognized the importance of speaking for equity in a country plagued by systemic racism.

I stand corrected then.  My recollection was the nickname vanilla soft serve was said/coined by his teammates.  If not then my point is irrelevant.

As for Theo, he was recruited as a rebounder/defender/shot blocker.  He did well on the shot blocking, but his rebounding wasn't very good.  Some of that was a function of always going for blocks and getting out of position, but for as physically strong/gifted as Theo was, he didn't live up to the expectation that he'd fill that role.

Joey did underperform his high 4 star ranking. But end of the day he was a better college basketball player than Theo.  I wouldn't have expected Joey to be a better rebounder than Theo, but he was.  Offensively it was no contest.

Lastly, I don't hold it against Joey or Sam for leaving.  They didn't want to play with a total ball hog, and tried to get Wojo to actually do something, and he couldn't get it done.  The letter writing has been ridiculed by you and the other Hauser haters, but it never should have gotten to that point.  That was their effort to stay at MU.  Unfortunately for Wojo his only coaching move was...Markus, shoot more.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: wadesworld on March 23, 2022, 07:59:04 PM
I stand corrected then.  My recollection was the nickname vanilla soft serve was said/coined by his teammates.  If not then my point is irrelevant.

As for Theo, he was recruited as a rebounder/defender/shot blocker.  He did well on the shot blocking, but his rebounding wasn't very good.  Some of that was a function of always going for blocks and getting out of position, but for as physically strong/gifted as Theo was, he didn't live up to the expectation that he'd fill that role.

Joey did underperform his high 4 star ranking. But end of the day he was a better college basketball player than Theo.  I wouldn't have expected Joey to be a better rebounder than Theo, but he was.  Offensively it was no contest.

Lastly, I don't hold it against Joey or Sam for leaving.  They didn't want to play with a total ball hog, and tried to get Wojo to actually do something, and he couldn't get it done.  The letter writing has been ridiculed by you and the other Hauser haters, but it never should have gotten to that point.  That was their effort to stay at MU.  Unfortunately for Wojo his only coaching move was...Markus, shoot more.

…and yet you wanted Markus to shoot at Creighton.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: 4everwarriors on March 23, 2022, 08:08:09 PM
Theo was a 3-star role player who has worked hard, supported his teammates, and performed his assigned role well for two teams. Joey was a near-5-star who has vastly underperformed the hype; his best season by far was under the Worst Coach Ever, and he has regressed significantly under a Hall of Fame coach. You love talking about recruiting rankings; by that measure, Joey has been one of the biggest recent failures in college basketball.

It was a white Scooper, not teammates, who nicknamed him Vanilla Soft Serve, and it's a fitting nickname for a pouty loser who quit on his team in the middle of a promising season.

As a Marquette alum, I'm proud of Theo John, who earned his degree in 4 years, who was on the BE All-Academic Team, who worked hard for our basketball team, and who recognized the importance of speaking for equity in a country plagued by systemic racism.




Great, now he can take his talent to Bulgaria, aina?
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: Elonsmusk on March 23, 2022, 08:11:20 PM
…and yet you wanted Markus to shoot at Creighton.

Yes.  Or to at least be on the floor, instead of Joe Chartouney as a shooting threat. 
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: wildbillsb on March 23, 2022, 11:13:35 PM
I peaked in grade school.

Me, too.  I was  really tall, and as an 8th grader, played on the 6th team.  Tough as nails, though.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: MU82 on March 24, 2022, 12:31:08 AM
I stand corrected then.  My recollection was the nickname vanilla soft serve was said/coined by his teammates.  If not then my point is irrelevant.

As for Theo, he was recruited as a rebounder/defender/shot blocker.  He did well on the shot blocking, but his rebounding wasn't very good.  Some of that was a function of always going for blocks and getting out of position, but for as physically strong/gifted as Theo was, he didn't live up to the expectation that he'd fill that role.

Joey did underperform his high 4 star ranking. But end of the day he was a better college basketball player than Theo.  I wouldn't have expected Joey to be a better rebounder than Theo, but he was.  Offensively it was no contest.

Lastly, I don't hold it against Joey or Sam for leaving.  They didn't want to play with a total ball hog, and tried to get Wojo to actually do something, and he couldn't get it done.  The letter writing has been ridiculed by you and the other Hauser haters, but it never should have gotten to that point.  That was their effort to stay at MU.  Unfortunately for Wojo his only coaching move was...Markus, shoot more.

Neither has been a very good college player, and they are totally different so it's silly to compare them as you keep trying to do.

Theo worked hard, played his role, was a team leader, and did everything to help Marquette win. Joey has been a major disappointment (especially to those who place everything on HS rankings), and he has sucked more under a Hall of Fame coach than he did under the Worst Coach Ever.

As I and countless others have said, it's a coach's job to manage egos, and Wojo failed when it came to Hausershima. A lot of it, perhaps most, is on him. But Vanilla Soft Serve was a big part of the problem. He escaped Wojo and he escaped Markus ... and yet he became a worse player.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: 1SE on March 27, 2022, 12:20:09 AM
Hate Duke, but congrats to Theo. At least one warrior got to the FF.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: lawdog77 on April 19, 2022, 02:48:13 PM
Didn't see it posted anywhere. Portsmoth invitational was April 13-16. Jamal and Koby were on the same team.

https://www.portsmouthinvitational.com/schedule-results

Lost their first two games. Won their 3rd
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: MU82 on April 19, 2022, 03:04:33 PM
Didn't see it posted anywhere. Portsmoth invitational was April 13-16. Jamal and Koby were on the same team.

https://www.portsmouthinvitational.com/schedule-results

Lost their first two games. Won their 3rd

In one of their games, they lost to Morsell's team. Here's the box score:

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Cain was great in that game, but none of the 3 made the all-tournament team.

Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: Herman Cain on November 15, 2022, 03:06:48 PM
Greg Elliott doing well so far at Pitt starting. Averaging 11.2 ppg and 42.9 percent from 3
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: Jay Bee on November 15, 2022, 03:10:43 PM
Greg Elliott doing well so far at Pitt starting. Averaging 11.2 ppg and 42.9 percent from 3

Has shot it well, but only a 96.5 ORtg. Career worst was last year at 108.3. No offensive rebounds, no assists, 28% turnover rate.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on November 15, 2022, 04:38:06 PM
Has shot it well, but only a 96.5 ORtg. Career worst was last year at 108.3. No offensive rebounds, no assists, 28% turnover rate.

Bad orthopedics too.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: MuMark on November 15, 2022, 06:28:48 PM
Dexter Akanno off to a good start at OSU
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: Newsdreams on November 15, 2022, 06:48:16 PM
Dexter Akanno off to a good start at OSU
Woj held him back
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: MuMark on November 15, 2022, 06:55:17 PM
Woj held him back

Sure…….. ::)

I’m glad he’s doing well…..at least so far……didn’t do much last season…..

Of course if we are trying to blame people we could also say he wanted to stay and Shaka didn’t want him…….which of course is fine.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: Uncle Rico on November 15, 2022, 06:57:17 PM
Sure…….. ::)

I’m glad he’s doing well…..at least so far……didn’t do much last season…..

Of course if we are trying to blame people we could also say he wanted to stay and Shaka didn’t want him…….which of course is fine.

Shaka ran him off along with Jamal
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: Newsdreams on November 15, 2022, 06:59:40 PM
Sure…….. ::)

I’m glad he’s doing well…..at least so far……didn’t do much last season…..

Of course if we are trying to blame people we could also say he wanted to stay and Shaka didn’t want him…….which of course is fine.
LOL
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: BCHoopster on November 15, 2022, 07:03:11 PM
Shaka ran him off along with Jamal

Somebody was over recruited this year, that kid is probably leaving
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: Uncle Rico on November 15, 2022, 07:05:33 PM
Somebody was over recruited this year, that kid is probably leaving

Whoever it is, he’ll probably end up in the NBA
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: JWags85 on November 15, 2022, 09:56:52 PM
Good for Dexter, but Chase Ross and Ben Gold scoring double digits against CMU is as relevant to star potential as Akanno scoring 16 a game against 2 bad to mediocre teams
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: MarquetteMike1977 on November 18, 2022, 03:54:15 PM
Guard Jose Perez has enrolled at West Virginia for the spring semester West Virginia coach Bob Huggins announced Perez's enrollment Thursday, saying the player's eligibility status for games and practices will be determined at a later date.
Perez is a 6-foot-5 fifth-year senior and was chosen as the preseason Player of the Year in the Metro Atlantic
Athletic Conference. He averaged 18.9 points, 4.5 assists and 3.2 rebounds a year ago.
West Virginia is his fourth school. Perez spent two seasons at Gardner-Webb and one each at Marquette
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: Herman Cain on December 30, 2022, 09:36:54 PM
Greg Elliott continues to have a solid season and Pitt doing very well. Panthers beat UNC tonight go to 3-0 in ACC and 10-4 overall.

Happy to see Greg enjoying some success on a personal and team level .
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: Herman Cain on January 28, 2023, 07:16:48 PM
Greg continuing to play well for Pitt. Providing that experienced leadership and shooting. Panthers beat Miami today. Nice to see Greg enjoying his final season.

https://www.post-gazette.com/sports/Pitt/2023/01/28/pitt-panthers-college-basketball-miami-hurricanes-ncaa-tournament-acc/stories/202301280034

Also had a very solid game against Wake Forest

https://pittsburghsportsnow.com/2023/01/25/blake-hinson-and-greg-elliott-set-the-fire-alarms-off-in-record-setting-win/

Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: pbiflyer on January 28, 2023, 07:40:42 PM
Can’t spell scum without UM. Happy for him and bonus he helped beat the canes.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: Skip Intro on February 23, 2023, 09:00:12 AM
A nice article on GE in the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette.

https://www.post-gazette.com/sports/Pitt/2023/02/23/pittsburgh-panthers-basketball-greg-elliott-jeff-capel-nelly-cummings/stories/202302230087

Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: Jay Bee on February 23, 2023, 09:10:47 AM
Will Greg make the tourney is the question….
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: Herman Cain on February 23, 2023, 09:11:45 AM
A nice article on GE in the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette.

https://www.post-gazette.com/sports/Pitt/2023/02/23/pittsburgh-panthers-basketball-greg-elliott-jeff-capel-nelly-cummings/stories/202302230087
Excellent article . So happy for Greg and his family that this is working out so well. Also a big win for Jake Presutti.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: Uncle Rico on February 23, 2023, 09:14:18 AM
Will Greg make the tourney is the question….

Yes
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: Uncle Rico on February 23, 2023, 09:19:39 AM
Greg has had a nice season.

122.8 offensive rating
60.4 effective fg%
63.5 true shooting %
12.6 turnover %
42% from 3

Playing 73% of the minutes

Heckuva player
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on February 23, 2023, 09:58:52 AM
Greg has had a nice season.

122.8 offensive rating
60.4 effective fg%
63.5 true shooting %
12.6 turnover %
42% from 3

Playing 73% of the minutes

Heckuva player

So glad Greg is thriving.  Will he rooting for him in March, unless he plays Marquette.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: Newsdreams on February 23, 2023, 08:34:36 PM
Greg has had a nice season.

122.8 offensive rating
60.4 effective fg%
63.5 true shooting %
12.6 turnover %
42% from 3

Playing 73% of the minutes

Heckuva player
I don't know, seems selfish.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: Uncle Rico on February 24, 2023, 07:42:32 AM
I don't know, seems selfish.

I’ll have to check his body language
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: JWags85 on February 24, 2023, 07:46:41 AM
Chapel hasn’t had a winning season or finished better than 11th in the ACC since he got to Pitt.  Then Greg arrives and they are a half game out of first in Capel’s best season since he had Blake Griffin at OU.  Not a coincidence methinks  8-)
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: Galway Eagle on February 24, 2023, 07:55:28 AM
Chapel hasn’t had a winning season or finished better than 11th in the ACC since he got to Pitt.  Then Greg arrives and they are a half game out of first in Capel’s best season since he had Blake Griffin at OU.  Not a coincidence methinks  8-)

He should thank Wojo for all that development!

-ducks-
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on February 24, 2023, 08:02:02 AM
I don't know, seems selfish.

It'll be Greg's third Senior Night upcoming. If that's not the definition of selfish...
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: Uncle Rico on February 24, 2023, 08:18:59 AM
It'll be Greg's third Senior Night upcoming. If that's not the definition of selfish...

That’s Dr. Greg to you
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: tower912 on February 24, 2023, 08:20:42 AM
He has more senior moments than..... oh, crap,.......   what was I saying?
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: Scoop Snoop on February 24, 2023, 08:35:36 AM
He has more senior moments than..... oh, crap,.......   what was I saying?

My life has long since turned into one continuous senior moment. I'm good with that.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: Herman Cain on May 23, 2023, 01:22:17 PM
Sy moving to Binghamton for his final year.

https://www.syracuse.com/orangebasketball/2023/04/former-syracuse-guard-symir-torrence-announces-transfer-to-binghamton.html
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: Herman Cain on January 09, 2024, 07:53:16 AM
Emarion Ellis is available

https://www.pjstar.com/story/sports/college/basketball/bradley-hoops/2024/01/06/emarion-ellis-leaves-bradley-basketball-program-before-missouri-state-game/72134453007/
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: Afroman on January 09, 2024, 02:36:52 PM
Keeyan Itejere has started in all 16 games for Northern Kentucky (8-8).

7.8 ppg (shooting 68% from the floor - 50-for-74)
4.8 rpg
Team-high 32 blocked shots
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: Jay Bee on January 09, 2024, 03:23:58 PM
Keeyan Itejere has started in all 16 games for Northern Kentucky (8-8).

7.8 ppg (shooting 68% from the floor - 50-for-74)
4.8 rpg
Team-high 32 blocked shots

*25% of those blocks against non DI opponents

Sub 12.5% dr%; 20%+ turnover rate
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: bilsu on January 09, 2024, 06:59:43 PM
Sy Torrence is fifth in the country averaging 7.2 assists per game.
Title: Re: Former MU players still in college thread
Post by: Newsdreams on January 09, 2024, 08:15:37 PM
Sy Torrence is fifth in the country averaging 7.2 assists per game.
LOL