More conference realignment talk

[Herman Cain]

Oops. Seems like Pac -12 presenting sock puppets at todays meeting.
https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/pac-12-commish-presents-potential-tv-deal-to-school-leaders-with-no-agreement-being-reached-per-reports/

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

I have no sources but I thought I remember someone saying here on Scoop that Arizona and ASU have some of thing in place where they will only go to a new conference together. Like they have to invite both for one of them to accept. No idea if this is true or not.

So did Oklahoma and Oklahoma State...

[The Sultan]

nm

[shoothoops]

Arizona, Arizona State, and Utah may be a 3 or nothing situation.

https://www.espn.com/college-football/insider/story/_/id/38109648/college-realignment-buzz-pac-12-big-12-arizona-next

Also Thamel, the deal presented to Pac 12 today was Apple, less than Big 12 $ but potentially more $ with incentives.

[The Sultan]

I just don't see any way that a significant number of people are going to subscribe to this service. I think so much of the eyeballs around college football, for example, are the people who will watch any college football game. For instance, I love watching a good ole SEC battle under the lights on a Saturday night when I have nothing going on, but I'm not going to subscribe to anything extra to do so.

[Uncle Rico]

I just don't see any way that a significant number of people are going to subscribe to this service. I think so much of the eyeballs around college football, for example, are the people who will watch any college football game. For instance, I love watching a good ole SEC battle under the lights on a Saturday night when I have nothing going on, but I'm not going to subscribe to anything extra to do so.

Agree.  It'll be a niche market but it is a big market because of GAMBLING.  I, as a Christian, don't gamble but many charlatans do

[lawdog77]

I just don't see any way that a significant number of people are going to subscribe to this service. I think so much of the eyeballs around college football, for example, are the people who will watch any college football game. For instance, I love watching a good ole SEC battle under the lights on a Saturday night when I have nothing going on, but I'm not going to subscribe to anything extra to do so.

Well, it is the Conference of Champions.

[Herman Cain]

https://www.espn.com/college-football/insider/story/_/id/38109648/college-realignment-buzz-pac-12-big-12-arizona-next

Also Thamel, the deal presented to Pac 12 today was Apple, less than Big 12 $ but potentially more $ with incentives.

https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/38116124/sources-pac-12-leaders-presented-apple-streaming-deal

[GoldenWarrior11]

https://www.espn.com/college-football/insider/story/_/id/38109648/college-realignment-buzz-pac-12-big-12-arizona-next

Also Thamel, the deal presented to Pac 12 today was Apple, less than Big 12 $ but potentially more $ with incentives.

Less guaranteed money than the Big 12, with significantly less exposure.  The escalators in this proposed deal weren't even hit by the MLS after they signed Messi.  While schools like Washington State and Oregon State would probably love nothing more than to sign and keep the PAC together, Arizona, Oregon and Washington will not have any interest in signing.

If Arizona leaves, it could further devalue the league value even further.

Between this deal and the recommended expansion additions of Rice, Tulane and UNLV (with SDSU and SMU) by PAC mouthpieces Wilner and Constanzo, there's plenty of red flags here that should give alarm to the schools.

[El Guerrero 2]

Less guaranteed money than the Big 12, with significantly less exposure.  The escalators in this proposed deal weren't even hit by the MLS after they signed Messi.  While schools like Washington State and Oregon State would probably love nothing more than to sign and keep the PAC together, Arizona, Oregon and Washington will not have any interest in signing.

If Arizona leaves, it could further devalue the league value even further.

Between this deal and the recommended expansion additions of Rice, Tulane and UNLV (with SDSU and SMU) by PAC mouthpieces Wilner and Constanzo, there's plenty of red flags here that should give alarm to the schools.

I wonder if ESPN will run a requiem for the PAC-12?

[Shooter McGavin]

I just don't see any way that a significant number of people are going to subscribe to this service. I think so much of the eyeballs around college football, for example, are the people who will watch any college football game. For instance, I love watching a good ole SEC battle under the lights on a Saturday night when I have nothing going on, but I'm not going to subscribe to anything extra to do so.

Yep.  If it's not easy to find and it's more monthly cash outlay no casual fans will watch.  It will be niche.

[WhiteTrash]

I think AZ AD or Pres said a few weeks ago that more than 50% streaming would be a deal breaker.

[Coleman]

I, as a Christian, don't gamble but many charlatans do

You must be so proud of yourself

[Coleman]

Less guaranteed money than the Big 12, with significantly less exposure.  The escalators in this proposed deal weren't even hit by the MLS after they signed Messi.  While schools like Washington State and Oregon State would probably love nothing more than to sign and keep the PAC together, Arizona, Oregon and Washington will not have any interest in signing.

If Arizona leaves, it could further devalue the league value even further.

Between this deal and the recommended expansion additions of Rice, Tulane and UNLV (with SDSU and SMU) by PAC mouthpieces Wilner and Constanzo, there's plenty of red flags here that should give alarm to the schools.

Yeah I think a PAC remnant-Mountain West merger (retaining PAC name, although it will more closely resemble the Mountain West plus Oregon State, Washington State, and a few others) is becoming more likely.

I still think a Power Conference (BIG?) will pick up Cal and Stanford when all is said and done.

[WhiteTrash]

Yeah I think a PAC remnant-Mountain West merger (retaining PAC name, although it will more closely resemble the Mountain West plus Oregon State, Washington State, and a few others) is becoming more likely.

I still think a Power Conference (BIG?) will pick up Cal and Stanford when all is said and done.

It's logical to think Cal & Stanford will be in a power conference. I'm starting to think Stanford goes independent and Cal MWC. I think Cal's interest in sports is akin to the Ivy League schools. Just a guess.

[lawdog77]

It's logical to think Cal & Stanford will be in a power conference. I'm starting to think Stanford goes independent and Cal MWC. I think Cal's interest in sports is akin to the Ivy League schools. Just a guess.

Knowing both Cal and Stanford alums, there is no way one would allow the other to be in a better conference.

[forgetful]

It's logical to think Cal & Stanford will be in a power conference. I'm starting to think Stanford goes independent and Cal MWC. I think Cal's interest in sports is akin to the Ivy League schools. Just a guess.

One of them will end up somewhere, but I'm not sure there is a place for both.

In the end, I think we will get to 3 power conferences of 20 teams each.

Big10 (most likely candidates)
FSU or Miami (get a Florida school, FSU might be strongly targeted by the SEC)
Notre Dame
Oregon
Washington

SEC
UNC
Clemson (I know mentioned to the Big10, but I don't think the SEC lets them get away)
Virginia
Georgia Tech (or FSU if they target them)

Big12
Arizona
Arizona State
Utah
Georgia Tech/Miami (whichever is left after the Big10 and SEC pick)
Louisville

That leaves 2 seats left at the table. Who gets them. I think the Big12 grabs a California school, so either Cal or Stanford gets a seat at the table.

Curious as to what others think.

[WhiteTrash]

If I'm the Big12, I'd rather have NC ST than Louisville.

What happens to Pitt and 'Cuse??? A10?

[Herman Cain]

One of them will end up somewhere, but I'm not sure there is a place for both.

In the end, I think we will get to 3 power conferences of 20 teams each.

Big10 (most likely candidates)
FSU or Miami (get a Florida school, FSU might be strongly targeted by the SEC)
Notre Dame
Oregon
Washington

SEC
UNC
Clemson (I know mentioned to the Big10, but I don't think the SEC lets them get away)
Virginia
Georgia Tech (or FSU if they target them)

Big12
Arizona
Arizona State
Utah
Georgia Tech/Miami (whichever is left after the Big10 and SEC pick)
Louisville

That leaves 2 seats left at the table. Who gets them. I think the Big12 grabs a California school, so either Cal or Stanford gets a seat at the table.

Curious as to what others think.

The collapse of the ounce proud Pac-12 is the 2.0 version of what happened  to the once proud Southwest Conference .

I think the 3 corners schools of Pac -12, Arizona, ASU and Utah end up in Big -12. Oregon and Washington go the Big 10. The rest of the conference merges
With Mountain West and operates under Pac-12 name and NCAA structure   

ACC has a very strong grant of rights , which have been thoroughly reviewed . Nothing can happen till 2036. It is possible an individual school could pony up a big exit fee, bit very unlikely.

SEC does nothing .Too many of their members are complaining about lost rivalry as it is.

Notre Dame contract is up after 2024. They will either get NBC to pony up big money and stay independent or join Big 10

[Uncle Rico]

Time for the Big East to think big

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Most seem to think that the Big 12 is going to pick up Arizona, Arizona State, and Utah. I'm not an expert in this area, but would Arizona State and Utah be redundant to the Big 12? I think Arizona brings in Phoenix as much as Arizona State does and BYU already brings in the tiny SLC market. Utah is at least a decent football program I guess. Does it make more sense for the Big 12 to grab Arizona and then a school like Cal, Stanford, or even San Diego State to establish a presence in California?

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

ACC has a very strong grant of rights , which have been thoroughly reviewed . Nothing can happen till 2036. It is possible an individual school could pony up a big exit fee, bit very unlikely.

It is my understanding that if enough schools join in, they could vote to dissolve the ACC thereby ending the GoR. If this is true, I think after the PAC 12 is thoroughly demolished, the Power 3 will coordinate and make enough offers between the three of them to ACC schools to secure the votes necessary to dissolve the ACC.

[Uncle Rico]

Most seem to think that the Big 12 is going to pick up Arizona, Arizona State, and Utah. I'm not an expert in this area, but would Arizona State and Utah be redundant to the Big 12? I think Arizona brings in Phoenix as much as Arizona State does and BYU already brings in the tiny SLC market. Utah is at least a decent football program I guess. Does it make more sense for the Big 12 to grab Arizona and then a school like Cal, Stanford, or even San Diego State to establish a presence in California?

No, because Cal and Stanford ain't going to a league with UCF.  They're Big Ten or bust.  Not saying the Big XII wouldn't take them or approach them but I don't believe the interest would be reciprocal.  And I'm not sure how much "California" you grab with Cal and Stanford.

And who is to say they don't add the four corners states and add a San Diego State later?  The two biggest brands are off the board as far as California and those brands only get attention locally when they're doing well

[MU82]

One of them will end up somewhere, but I'm not sure there is a place for both.

In the end, I think we will get to 3 power conferences of 20 teams each.

Big10 (most likely candidates)
FSU or Miami (get a Florida school, FSU might be strongly targeted by the SEC)
Notre Dame
Oregon
Washington

SEC
UNC
Clemson (I know mentioned to the Big10, but I don't think the SEC lets them get away)
Virginia
Georgia Tech (or FSU if they target them)

Big12
Arizona
Arizona State
Utah
Georgia Tech/Miami (whichever is left after the Big10 and SEC pick)
Louisville

That leaves 2 seats left at the table. Who gets them. I think the Big12 grabs a California school, so either Cal or Stanford gets a seat at the table.

Curious as to what others think.

What? You forgot St. Thomas!!!!

No wonder you go by "forgetful."

[jesmu84]

https://twitter.com/UnnecRoughness/status/1686826431072923649?t=xbo1CWQ12nRsUbIC6Z7oyQ&s=19