2021-22 NBA Thread: The Bucks are Reigning Champs

[JWags85]

https://twitter.com/i/status/1519107718602240006

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Yurtsevan hitting him with the "bro chill" hand was hilarious

[The Sultan]

So your take is Nowitzki could adjust because of his height.  Okay.  So would either of them be as good as say Jimmy Butler or Demar DeRozan in this era?  Would they be as good as Dillon Brooks?  DeAndre Hunter?  Middleton?  Give us an idea where you think they would project if they played today.

I said he would still be great but that defenses of today would give him more trouble now than during his era.  I don't know what else needs to be said especially if your watched the video I posted.

And yes, if you watched Dirk the fact that he was 7'0" was the reason for a lot of his success.

[lawdog77]

Nowitzki also had inches on Bird.

But your Dominique statement reminded me that I saw this just a few weeks ago.  There is no doubt that he was a great player, but just look at this.  The first thing I noticed was how slow and under the basket 1980s NBA stands in comparison to now.  You honestly think Bird would get away with simple pick plays getting him open at the free throw line now?  Especially considering the NBA can zone up now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18Roy0sQyC4

Look, I have been watching the NBA for a long time.  The level of play that you see now is really much higher than then.  It's faster, elevated, with much more sophisticated defenses.

Here's some Bird athleticism, pre back injurt

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rPl8_RTBHA

[withoutbias]

https://twitter.com/i/status/1519107718602240006

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He's the coolest.

[Jockey]

I should have said "potential".  Many players don't live up to their potential.  Larry maximized everything about his game.

I knew what you meant to say. I just had to comment on how it came out. 

[Jockey]

I said he would still be great but that defenses of today would give him more trouble now than during his era.  I don't know what else needs to be said especially if your watched the video I posted.

And yes, if you watched Dirk the fact that he was 7'0" was the reason for a lot of his success.

Being tall is a good thing for hoops.

[MuggsyB]

I said he would still be great but that defenses of today would give him more trouble now than during his era.  I don't know what else needs to be said especially if your watched the video I posted.

And yes, if you watched Dirk the fact that he was 7'0" was the reason for a lot of his success.

That's not an answer.  Would he be an all-star level player or not?  Would he be as good as Siakam or Middleton or more a fringe 3/4?

[Hards Alumni]

He's the coolest.

Did he bang your wife or something?

[forgetful]

MJ dunked from the FT line and people's minds were absolutely blown.  There are 50+ guys in the NBA that could do that now.  Anthony Edwards is every bit as athletic as MJ.  I'm a massive MJ fan and no doubt those as athletic aren't the player he was, but he's not peerless in the modern NBA as an athlete.

Wilt was a 7 footer that was agile and fast and could jump in an era, and subsequent eras, where 7 footers were usually lumbering and immobile.  Now?  There are a plenty of 7 footers that can do that.  Look at Giannis.  Look at Embiid.  He'll KD is basically 7 foot.  A lot of Wilt's T&F feats are apocryphal.  Especially going back to HS days.

Do the freak athletes measure up by today's standards?  Sure.  But like Hard's said, there is a huge pool of comparable athletes.  Freakish athleticism alone won't let you dominate, or even have a huge leg up on the competition.

Wilt was an absolute athletic freak of nature. I don't think there has ever been another 7' person with his range of athleticism.

There isn't another 7' person alive today that, with modern track equipment (shoes, bouncy tracks, etc.), that could match his numbers. Under 11 sec in the 100 m, under 50 sec in the 400 m. Not to mention his 46-48" vertical, and up to 500 lb bench press.

He was stronger than Shaq, and higher vertical than Vince Carter, and faster than all the rest.

[The Sultan]

That's not an answer.  Would he be an all-star level player or not?  Would he be as good as Siakam or Middleton or more a fringe 3/4?

You keep asking different questions and I don't really feel like answering them. I have stated what I thought his impact would be.

[The Sultan]

Here's some Bird athleticism, pre back injurt

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rPl8_RTBHA

Exactly. Pretty run of the mill.

[JWags85]

Wilt was an absolute athletic freak of nature. I don't think there has ever been another 7' person with his range of athleticism.

There isn't another 7' person alive today that, with modern track equipment (shoes, bouncy tracks, etc.), that could match his numbers. Under 11 sec in the 100 m, under 50 sec in the 400 m. Not to mention his 46-48" vertical, and up to 500 lb bench press.

He was stronger than Shaq, and higher vertical than Vince Carter, and faster than all the rest.

All those track times are from HS with no official records and with the alleged times he would have been nationally ranked.  And the Kansas 400M time is just heresay.

He was no doubt an once in a generation athlete and his jumping on the Kansas track team was impressive enough, but there is a lot of unofficial urban legend style stories to substantiate some of his athletic prowess.

[MU82]

Both Wilt and Jordan averaged exactly 30.1 points per game for their career.

MJ 30.12 ppg ... Wilt 30.07.

That's the regular season. Playoffs: MJ 33.45 ... and nobody else was within 3.5 ppg.

The greatest scorer in basketball history. Obviously.

[Mutaman]

MJ 30.12 ppg ... Wilt 30.07.

That's the regular season. Playoffs: MJ 33.45 ... and nobody else was within 3.5 ppg.

The greatest scorer in basketball history. Obviously.

Not according to Wiki.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilt_Chamberlain#Regular_season


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Jordan#Regular_season

[MuggsyB]

CP3 is only 13/13 tonight. 

[MU82]

Not according to Wiki.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilt_Chamberlain#Regular_season


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Jordan#Regular_season

Huh?

Jordan: 32,292 points in 1,072 games = 30.123 ppg

Chamberlain: 31,419 points in 1045 games = 30.066 ppg

What does Wikipedia say that's different?

Also, Jordan averaged 33.4 ppg in the playoffs, Wilt 22.5.

[forgetful]

If you put guys from the 70s in a time machine and had them play in the NBA today, they would perform considerably worse than they did in their own time periods.

If those guys were born in and came up in the modern era, they could be even more dominate than they were in their original times

Fully agree.

Equivalently. If you took guys from today and had them play in the 70's with the 70's shoes, and 70 rules. Some guys would struggle immensely (would be relegated to not dribbling, or not being effective because they can't dribble well without carrying/palming, not to mention they'd get called for a travel on 90+% of their plays).

But let them grow up in that same system, and they'd be equally or more dominant.

[MU82]

CP3 is only 13/13 tonight.

Finished 14-14 in a virtuoso clutch performance.

Just imagine how well he'd have done if he cared as much as college players do!

[cheebs09]

Finished 14-14 in a virtuoso clutch performance.

Just imagine how well he'd have done if he cared as much as college players do!

Did he kick anyone in the nuts tonight?

[MuggsyB]

Did he kick anyone in the nuts tonight?

..

I guess I should watch the video.  Should have he been suspended?

[BM1090]

..

I guess I should watch the video.  Should have he been suspended?

Nah. Fined at most.

[MuggsyB]

Nah. Fined at most.

It was an odd kick I must say.

[Mutaman]

Huh?


What does Wikipedia say that's different?

I gave you the two links- that's all I can do.

[MU82]

I gave you the two links- that's all I can do.

Neither of the links refutes the facts I presented. That's all I can respond with.

[lawdog77]

Did he kick anyone in the nuts tonight?

No, but he did throw a blatant elbow into Alvarado's teeth in the last couple minutes. NO couldn't challenge since they used their one challenge earlier.