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fjm

We all have our thoughts on Wojo, on the player we dislike from the other team. We all cheer and boo as we feel needed.

Am I guilty of this? Absolutely. Should I have checked myself on this? Yep!

But read this amazing article by MUBB's Zoe Comeford. (She was a great Twitter follow this year with her MUBB knowledge.)

Please take the 5 min to read this.

https://marquettewire.org/4051400/sports/comerford-life-is-more-than-just-sports/

MarqKarp

Well stated.  Unfortunately, those who need to hear the column's message, are the not the one's I would expect to take time to read it.

GooooMarquette

#2
Great piece, and an important reminder that these people are doing their best to represent OUR university. Thank you for posting.

I agree it was time to move on, but I was continually disappointed by the vitriolic comments directed toward Wojo. I'd like to think this might change that, but....

Farley36

Reading that article was an utter waste of time surpassed only by the time wasted to write that article.   Fans have the right to express their opinions.  The dude made millions over his time at MU.  Criticism comes with the job.  Should anyone be threatening or attack the man's family?  Of course not.  Not going to get mad though about fans saying they are happy he's gone or he's set the program back.

naginiF

Thanks for posting and she's right. I always struggle with the "it's just on line/social media it shouldn't be taken serious" line of thinking as a) sometimes it clearly goes way beyond that and b) how people post on line is their personality and it is what they believe, the people who take glee from others hardship on line are the same that do it in real life but just don't say anything out loud because they know it's wrong.

5DollarPitcher

Did she really segue from Marquette fans posting "bye bye" on the Instagram announcements to the psycho that DM'd death threats to EJ Liddell?

What a hack.

Shooter McGavin

Agreed.  Good article.  Stay classy Marquette!

Farley36

Is no one going to point the author's clear manipulation and moving of the goal post?   She starts off with what people said about Wojo - glad he's gone, shouldn't be proud of losing record, etc.  All pretty tame fan reactions to an awful coach.  She then goes into connecting that to people wishing a player would die for missing a free throw.  Clearly far different levels.  To equate the two is absurd and manipulative.   

Galway Eagle

There's a very important message here. That being aid I don't think she fully grasps the financial issues facing the university and how fixing our basketball program would have a domino effect impacting class size, applications, fundraising, etc.

Essentially if you want to write a piece focusing on how "it's only a game" then you have to consider the alternative of what does the game impact. I feel sorry for Steve and his family, truly wish they had gotten it done, but he didn't and it was time to go.
Retire Terry Rand's jersey!

Farley36

Quote from: 5DollarPitcher on March 23, 2021, 09:46:59 AM
Did she really segue from Marquette fans posting "bye bye" on the Instagram announcements to the psycho that DM'd death threats to EJ Liddell?

What a hack.

lol glad someone else has enough common sense to see through this manipulation.

Vander Blue Man Group

Quote from: Farley36 on March 23, 2021, 09:44:34 AM
Reading that article was an utter waste of time surpassed only by the time wasted to write that article.   Fans have the right to express their opinions.  The dude made millions over his time at MU.  Criticism comes with the job.  Should anyone be threatening or attack the man's family?  Of course not.  Not going to get mad though about fans saying they are happy he's gone or he's set the program back.

There's expressing a desire for a coaching change and then there's continuing to crap on someone under a classy farewell message.  Not surprised you can't differentiate between the two. 

The Sultan

Quote from: 5DollarPitcher on March 23, 2021, 09:46:59 AM
Did she really segue from Marquette fans posting "bye bye" on the Instagram announcements to the psycho that DM'd death threats to EJ Liddell?

What a hack.
Quote from: Farley36 on March 23, 2021, 09:50:21 AM
Is no one going to point the author's clear manipulation and moving of the goal post?   She starts off with what people said about Wojo - glad he's gone, shouldn't be proud of losing record, etc.  All pretty tame fan reactions to an awful coach.  She then goes into connecting that to people wishing a player would die for missing a free throw.  Clearly far different levels.  To equate the two is absurd and manipulative.   


Not really surprising that you two are the ones who are so upset by the article. 
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

Galway Eagle

Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on March 23, 2021, 09:52:56 AM
There's expressing a desire for a coaching change and then there's continuing to crap on someone under a classy farewell message.  Not surprised you can't differentiate between the two.

This. He was already fired, why did people still need to be dicks about it?

Yes it's a false equivalency between the two OSU posts and ours but the broader point is why are people so invested that they feel they can be huge dbags to people they don't know.
Retire Terry Rand's jersey!

Farley36

Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on March 23, 2021, 09:52:56 AM
There's expressing a desire for a coaching change and then there's continuing to crap on someone under a classy farewell message.  Not surprised you can't differentiate between the two.

I'm just not going to cry about a coach who made millions of dollars getting a little criticism on Instagram.   If you want to act like it's an outrage feel free.   

MUCam

Gosh it is so easy to tear everything and everyone down. Who needs empathy? Who needs a rational discussion? We can just sit on our perches and ridicule others and live in a sea of negativity.

What a sad life that must be to see the negative in everyone and everything.

Vander Blue Man Group

Quote from: Farley36 on March 23, 2021, 09:51:16 AM
lol glad someone else has enough common sense to see through this manipulation.

The only people "manipulated" by that article aren't likely particularly bright to begin with.  It was speaking to the fact that harassment of athletes and coaches is part of a larger problem that can go to that level. 

5DollarPitcher

Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on March 23, 2021, 09:54:41 AM

Not really surprising that you two are the ones who are so upset by the article.
Not upset - just trying to understand how the two are related. It takes someone mentally unhinged to do what that guy did to EJ Liddell. Saying "bye bye" on Wojo's instagram is about as tame of a reaction as you could possibly expect.

Again - I don't remember a piece coming out like this when Buzz left us.

Vander Blue Man Group

Quote from: Farley36 on March 23, 2021, 09:56:00 AM
I'm just not going to cry about a coach who made millions of dollars getting a little criticism on Instagram.   If you want to act like it's an outrage feel free.   

Commenting about and discussing it are not equivalent to crying or being outraged by it, genius. 

fjm

Quote from: 5DollarPitcher on March 23, 2021, 09:57:30 AM
Not upset - just trying to understand how the two are related. It takes someone mentally unhinged to do what that guy did to EJ Liddell. Saying "bye bye" on Wojo's instagram is about as tame of a reaction as you could possibly expect.

Again - I don't remember a piece coming out like this when Buzz left us.

You called the writer a hack.

A writer who's trying to point it's just a sport and to chill on the negativity.

And this coming from you surprises me. Didn't you just blast a bunch of people (including me... and could I have done better... yes and that's on me and I apologize) for being happy that the hausers lost?

She's a hack....
But don't say anything about the hausers.
☝🏼☝🏼☝🏼This says far more about you than the writer.

CTWarrior

My goodness, people.  You can be happy MU severed ties with the man (I am), but what point is there to crapping on him on his way out?  Be better than that.  By all accounts he is a good man whose best efforts were just not good enough in terms of on court success. 

As always, thank him for his efforts and wish him luck wherever he goes, and cheer for the next guy.
Calvin:  I'm a genius.  But I'm a misunderstood genius. 
Hobbes:  What's misunderstood about you?
Calvin:  Nobody thinks I'm a genius.

warriorchick

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Quote from: fjm on March 23, 2021, 10:00:25 AM
You called the writer a hack.

A writer who's trying to point it's just a sport and to chill on the negativity.

And this coming from you surprises me. Didn't you just blast a bunch of people (including me... and could I have done better... yes and that's on me and I apologize) for being happy that the hausers lost?

She's a hack....
But don't say anything about the hausers.
☝🏼☝🏼☝🏼This says far more about you than the writer.

And a student writer at that.

Maybe he should go down over to Children's Hospital next and criticize the Marquette student nurses about their crappy charting technique.
Have some patience, FFS.

ZiggysFryBoy

Quote from: Galway Eagle on March 23, 2021, 09:55:05 AM
This. He was already fired, why did people still need to be dicks about it?

Yes it's a false equivalency between the two OSU posts and ours but the broader point is why are people so invested that they feel they can be huge dbags to people they don't know.

You must be new round here.

🏀

Quote from: fjm on March 23, 2021, 10:00:25 AM
You called the writer a hack.

A writer who's trying to point it's just a sport and to chill on the negativity.

And this coming from you surprises me. Didn't you just blast a bunch of people (including me... and could I have done better... yes and that's on me and I apologize) for being happy that the hausers lost?

She's a hack....
But don't say anything about the hausers.
☝🏼☝🏼☝🏼This says far more about you than the writer.


StillAWarrior

I did find this interesting: "During games in 2020-21, Marquette's PA announcer Mike Jakubowski had to race through Wojciechowski's pregame introduction as the booing for the program's head coach was louder than for the other team's introduction."

The implication: booing 18-21 year olds who chose to attend another school is fine and to be expected. Booing Wojo crosses a line.

I personally agree that a lot of the social media stuff "crosses the line." But her own words demonstrate that we draw all sorts of "lines" all the time. I suspect my "line" is a lot closer to hers than some others, but I wonder if she realizes that some people think booing other teams during introductions crosses a line.
Never wrestle with a pig.  You both get dirty, and the pig likes it.

warriorchick

Quote from: StillAWarrior on March 23, 2021, 10:10:48 AM
I did find this interesting: "During games in 2020-21, Marquette's PA announcer Mike Jakubowski had to race through Wojciechowski's pregame introduction as the booing for the program's head coach was louder than for the other team's introduction."

The implication: booing 18-21 year olds who chose to attend another school is fine and to be expected. Booing Wojo crosses a line.

I personally agree that a lot of the social media stuff "crosses the line." But her own words demonstrate that we draw all sorts of "lines" all the time. I suspect my "line" is a lot closer to hers than some others, but I wonder if she realizes that some people think booing other teams during introductions crosses a line.

I think booing the other team can be done playfully.  Chanting "F*ck the [insert opponent nickname here]" is inappropriate and immature.
Have some patience, FFS.

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