Another day ... / mass shooting

[MU82]

... another mass shooting in America.

[ZiggysFryBoy]

....another criminal that wouldn't follow any laws against guns or murder no matter how strong they are.

[tower912]

Another sign we are returning to normal.

[shoothoops]

Terrible news.

https://twitter.com/adamcbest/status/1374189790623629313?s=19

https://news.yahoo.com/nra-bragged-blocking-boulder-ar-040000858.html#click=https://t.co/Kle76shPjn

https://twitter.com/MichaelSkolnik/status/1374195623684096000?s=19

Another day, another AR-15.

[naginiF]

....another criminal that wouldn't follow any laws against guns or murder no matter how strong they are.

100% agree. Why people just can't accept that it's normal to arm deranged (mostly) white men with weapons capable of killing large numbers of people is beyond me. Having strong gun laws and moving mass amounts of federal $ towards mental health is a waste and should be fought at every opportunity.

[ZiggysFryBoy]

100% agree. Why people just can't accept that it's normal to arm deranged (mostly) white men with weapons capable of killing large numbers of people is beyond me. Having strong gun laws and moving mass amounts of federal $ towards mental health is a waste and should be fought at every opportunity.

Why people don't understand that criminals don't follow the law is beyond me.

If someone is demented enough to go shoot up a building, they are going to buy a gun however they can. 

They.
Don't.
Follow.
The law.

Agree mental health needs to be a focus.

[TSmith34, Inc.]

....another criminal that wouldn't follow any laws against guns or murder no matter how strong they are.

Ah yes, more brilliant "why do we even have laws?" logic.

[naginiF]

Why people don't understand that criminals don't follow the law is beyond me.

If someone is demented enough to go shoot up a building, they are going to buy a gun however they can. 

They.
Don't.
Follow.
The law.

Agree mental health needs to be a focus.

Again 100% agree. Zero chance we change the gun culture in this country and we shouldn't try to. We need to accept that this is normal and move on.

[withoutbias]

Stricter gun laws work in preventing mass murders all over the world.  But they wouldn't work in America.

Logic is not your strength Ziggy.

[TSmith34, Inc.]

Again 100% agree. Zero chance we change the gun culture in this country and we shouldn't try to. We need to accept that this is normal and move on.

You clearly aren't thinking far enough ahead. Since criminals don't follow laws, the only possible solution is to not even bother with laws at all. If we have laws criminals will just break them! What's the point of laws???

[shoothoops]

More guns=more gun deaths:

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/10/2/16399418/us-gun-violence-statistics-maps-charts

[naginiF]

You clearly aren't thinking far enough ahead. Since criminals don't follow laws, the only possible solution is to not even bother with laws at all. If we have laws criminals will just break them! What's the point of laws???

Especially when it comes to things like domestic abuse or sexual assault. Humans have been dealing with those for tens of thousands of years, we've demonstrated over those millennia that it isn't going to change and our current laws don't stop people who abuse. Facts don't lie!

[ZiggysFryBoy]

Stricter gun laws work in preventing mass murders all over the world.  But they wouldn't work in America.

Logic is not your strength Ziggy.

No, they just use knives, machetes and trucks to kill.  Look at England.

Talk about logic.  How many people have thought "damn, I was going to kill those people but suddenly remembered that murder is against the law.  I think I'll go have a soda pop instead."

Did I advocate for no laws?  Talk about a typical tsmith strawman.   

FTR, I don't own a gun, don't plan on owning a gun, and do not support the NRA.

[shoothoops]

https://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/compare/United-Kingdom/United-States/Crime/Violent-crime

United States vs United Kingdom.

[Galway Eagle]

No, they just use knives, machetes and trucks to kill.  Look at England.

Talk about logic.  How many people have thought "damn, I was going to kill those people but suddenly remembered that murder is against the law.  I think I'll go have a soda pop instead."

Did I advocate for no laws?  Talk about a typical tsmith strawman.   

FTR, I don't own a gun, don't plan on owning a gun, and do not support the NRA.

I could be wrong but with a knife or machete it would seem you have a fighting chance, distance yourself, a well timed block, etc. not to mention it would seem exceedingly more difficult to stab a ton of people to death without getting either overwhelmed by a group, or having everyone run away.

Between the rock of a gun (especially high capacity magazine guns) and hard place of knife or machete I would choose the later.

[ZiggysFryBoy]

I could be wrong but with a knife or machete it would seem you have a fighting chance, distance yourself, a well timed block, etc. not to mention it would seem exceedingly more difficult to stab a ton of people to death without getting either overwhelmed by a group, or having everyone run away.

Between the rock of a gun (especially high capacity magazine guns) and hard place of knife or machete I would choose the later.

Do a truck next.

[Galway Eagle]

Do a truck next.

We're already using them. See Charlottesville. So I'm not quite sure what your broader point is there? It's also not the easiest thing to take out dozens of people in a theater or school with a truck. Luckily we also have a lot of those anti terrorism concrete pillars around populated areas from the first World Trade Center bombing.

I mean we can sit here and figure out way after way that person could kill someone, "What if they just got really strong and learned MMA?!" But at the end of the day I'd personally prefer one less way that doesn't give people a fighting chance at survival.

For the record I'm not advocating we ban guns, I think a buyback program could be good for a lot of them so they aren't sold second hand to idiots as well as think high capacity magazines can be taken down. Some other restrictions as well but not an outright ban.

[ZiggysFryBoy]

We're already using them. See Charlottesville. So I'm not quite sure what your broader point is there? It's also not the easiest thing to take out dozens of people in a theater or school with a truck. Luckily we also have a lot of those anti terrorism concrete pillars around populated areas from the first World Trade Center bombing.

I mean we can sit here and figure out way after way that person could kill someone, "What if they just got really strong and learned MMA?!" But at the end of the day I'd personally prefer one less way that doesn't give people a fighting chance at survival.

For the record I'm not advocating we ban guns, I think a buyback program could be good for a lot of them so they aren't sold second hand to idiots as well as think high capacity magazines can be taken down. Some other restrictions as well but not an outright ban.

I generally agree with your last paragraph.

[TSmith34, Inc.]

No, they just use knives, machetes and trucks to kill.  Look at England.

Talk about logic.  How many people have thought "damn, I was going to kill those people but suddenly remembered that murder is against the law.  I think I'll go have a soda pop instead."

Did I advocate for no laws?  Talk about a typical tsmith strawman.   

FTR, I don't own a gun, don't plan on owning a gun, and do not support the NRA.

No, no, you were right the first time. Criminals break laws! Therefore we shouldn't even bother with guns laws. What's the point?? Criminals will break them! We're helpless.

[ZiggysFryBoy]

Well, it wasn't a white trump supporter, so this story will disappear.

[naginiF]

Well, it wasn't a white trump supporter, so this story will disappear.

batting 1.000 with me today Ziggy! The MSM will bury this because of his skin color - happens all the time. Though, unlike mass shootings, I think this is the real threat to our way of life and we should fight to make sure this story i.e. non white, non Trump supporters getting a pass by the MSM because of political correctness never dies down.

[Galway Eagle]

Well, it wasn't a white trump supporter, so this story will disappear.

Yeah because nobody remembers the Boston marathon bombings...

[ZiggysFryBoy]

Yeah because nobody remembers the Boston marathon bombings...

Ban pressure cookers, hey?

[TSmith34, Inc.]

Well, it wasn't a white trump supporter, so this story will disappear.

No, it'll just get shoved back in the que with the next mass shooting, scheduled to occur in 3..2..1..

The Colorado attack is the 7th mass shooting in 7 days in the US
https://www.cnn.com/2021/03/23/us/7-mass-shootings-7-days-trnd/index.html

[jficke13]

Classic "No way to prevent this, says only nation where this regularly occurs" moment. The Onion has gotten ALOT of milage out of that doozy.