[mubbPAC] The Case Against Steve Wojciechowski: Enough is Enough

[Pakuni]

You realize all of this stuff is late and would actually make it more difficult for Wojo to obtain employment elsewhere (like Utah) as many of you have suggested?

I don't think he's landing another HC gig immediately - unless he wants to go low-major - whether they dismissed him last week, or they do it next week or next year.
He'll need to take a year or or be an assistant to rehabilitate his reputation. Given the way his tenure ended, I'd be very surprised if a P6 program is going to hire him to run the show.

[Gato78]

Richard Pitino recovered pretty quickly.

[brewcity77]

You realize all of this stuff is late and would actually make it more difficult for Wojo to obtain employment elsewhere (like Utah) as many of you have suggested?

This wasn't written to help Wojo get a job elsewhere. It wasn't written to undermine his recruiting ability. It wasn't even written with an honest hope of getting him dismissed.

It was written to lay bare the problematic facts about the state of the program in a way that makes it clear to fans, administrators, and others exactly where we stand. What others do with the publicly collected information is their business.

[Pakuni]

Moving on from Wojo shouldn't be contingent on him finding employment elsewhere so it's moot.

Not contingent, but it could be a part of any buyout negotiation. It shouldn't necessarily be a determining factor, but it's not irrelevant either, especially with money being tight.

[panda]

You realize all of this stuff is late and would actually make it more difficult for Wojo to obtain employment elsewhere (like Utah) as many of you have suggested?

The article was written to factual show how he's failed to meet expectations and that expecting change at this point is a leap of faith.

[ZiggysFryBoy]

Yup, that's what the article needed. If Goodman or Rothstein retweet it at all admin has to at least come out with a statement.

Sadness?

No, just Marquette basketball.

[NYWarrior]

Sadness?

No, just Marquette basketball.

The ultimate t-shirt for the era

[loid walden]

Praise and thanks to Paint, Cracked, Anonymous and Brewcity;
Favorite line.  "It's the coach and the scheme".
Precisely

[The Lens]

You realize all of this stuff is late and would actually make it more difficult for Wojo to obtain employment elsewhere (like Utah) as many of you have suggested?

You realize all of this "stuff" is easily accessible via the internet and any AD / search firm worth their salt could pull it together? What is keeping Wojo from taking another job is not a blog post on a fan site, it's Wojo's resume.  MU would let him walk for free and no one wants him, that alone should be reason to fire him yesterday.

[WarriorFan]

Excellent article, well written, based in fact and uses all the facts to make the point.  What amazes me is that - even at 3000+ words it did not include additional damning issues like:
- player development
- not filling the roster and ending up with a short bench
- in game coaching issues
I could probably come up with a few more as well, given the time.

The ONLY good thing Wojo brings at this point is a clean program.  And I personally appreciate that.  I'm sure there are 200 other guys out there with NCAA head coaching experience who could  provide a clean program AND win lots more games.

As for Wojo finding another job... I wish him well.  A dumpster fire like Arizona that needs a real clean up could use a guy like him.  He could land a great job like that based only on recruiting and running a clean program. 

Thanks very much to the authors for putting together such an outstanding piece.  Please send copies to Scholl and Lovell.

[Warrior2008]

You realize all of this stuff is late and would actually make it more difficult for Wojo to obtain employment elsewhere (like Utah) as many of you have suggested?

Maybe if people don't print anything bad about Wojo no one will notice the flaming dumpster fire behind him right?  Then someone can just take him off our hands without doing any due diligence like literally every AD in the country would do.

[Gato78]

Maybe if people don't print anything bad about Wojo no one will notice the flaming dumpster fire behind him right?  Then someone can just take him off our hands without doing any due diligence like literally every AD in the country would do.

You can bet that a search firm will include stuff like that article in its submissions.

[Warrior2008]

nm

[MU_Snewby]

Excellent article, well written, based in fact and uses all the facts to make the point.  What amazes me is that - even at 3000+ words it did not include additional damning issues like:
- player development
- not filling the roster and ending up with a short bench
- in game coaching issues
I could probably come up with a few more as well, given the time.

The ONLY good thing Wojo brings at this point is a clean program.  And I personally appreciate that.  I'm sure there are 200 other guys out there with NCAA head coaching experience who could  provide a clean program AND win lots more games.

As for Wojo finding another job... I wish him well.  A dumpster fire like Arizona that needs a real clean up could use a guy like him.  He could land a great job like that based only on recruiting and running a clean program. 

Thanks very much to the authors for putting together such an outstanding piece.  Please send copies to Scholl and Lovell.

You're absolutely right that some stuff (e.g., player development) wasn't mentioned, but it's hard to quantify those in the type of statistics used in the article.

As to your other points, absolutely correct.

[MU82]

Literally in every discussion on Wojo there is someone like you who says doesn't matter because he's not getting fired.  this thread is about an article laying out why he should be fired and a couple people had to say some version "good article but he's not getting fired."  You and I both know the intent of that is "shut up about Wojo because he'll be here next year."

More lies from you.

Keep going. Now that hoopaloop has been retired, his record is within reach.

[Silent Verbal]

You can bet that a search firm will include stuff like that article in its submissions.

The article isn't the problem.  It's fact based.  Wojo created this problem himself.  I know you want to keep him around, but this is how things are going to be moving forward.  The cat's out of the bag.

[panda]

The article isn't the problem.  It's fact based.  Wojo created this problem himself.  I know you want to keep him around, but this is how things are going to be moving forward.  The cat's out of the bag.

The cat is out of the bag and it's going to get ugly.

[Small Orange Soda]

The article isn't the problem.  It's fact based.  Wojo created this problem himself.  I know you want to keep him around, but this is how things are going to be moving forward.  The cat's out of the bag.

Some people are always looking to blame someone else for Wojo's consistent underachievement.  Dodd's is doing the same thing

https://247sports.com/college/marquette/board/104085/Contents/3-mu-focused-websites-joint-appeal-for-wojo-ouster-162618023/

Tell me more about the 'focused' websites? Who runs them? All MU alumni? Did they help fund the mobile billboard?

My read is that Wojo stays and the staff is hard at work trying to add top transfers and 2021 HS recruits who might have slipped through the cracks. Just curious....do these 'focused' websites want MU to add top talent this Spring...or is there a different objective?

So now if we suck next year it's because three Marquette blogs sabotaged Wojo.  The lengths some go to.

[Warrior_2002]

Nice job fellas, well written and using the facts/stats that matter most.  Expectations and failure to meet them (by a lot!)
I still have hope (likely false hope) he will still get fired but perhaps they are waiting for coaches eliminated from the NCAAT.  Is it possible they are even talking to some but to keep the focus off them they are waiting?  #graspingatstraws

[DienerTime34]

If you guys want some free entertainment, Dodds is steamed! Wojo gets another year beyond the next one now. Can't be expected to win next year when blogs and a $100 truck rental prevent recruits and transfers from coming in 

[panda]

If you guys want some free entertainment, Dodds is steamed! Wojo gets another year beyond the next one now. Can't be expected to win next year when blogs and a $100 truck rental prevent recruits and transfers from coming in 

How dare anyone undermine the least successful coach in Marquette history not named Bob Dukiet?!

[MDMU04]

I like to imagine Wojo opening his email, reading this article that someone forwarded to him with the same deer in headlights look of bewilderment on his face that he has while DePaul goes on a game ending 11-2 run, handing his team their 6th loss in 7 games, and eliminating them from an at-large NCAA bid.

His original plan was to click on the article simply to see what it says.  Upon starting he realized that, similar to his game planning, there is no alternative plan.  So instead of closing the window he just sits there, continuing to read until the article ends, seething through the entire thing.

[mu03eng]

http://www.crackedsidewalks.com/2021/03/the-wojo-era-review.html

If you prefer the audio medium and/or are interested in some of the sausage making, we did a podcast around the intent of the article.

[The Lens]

Tell me more about the 'focused' websites? Who runs them? All MU alumni? Did they help fund the mobile billboard?

My read is that Wojo stays and the staff is hard at work trying to add top transfers and 2021 HS recruits who might have slipped through the cracks. Just curious....do these 'focused' websites want MU to add top talent this Spring...or is there a different objective?

Well John, they are people who actually pay to get into MU games.

IMO MU should be more interested in the concerns of their STHs not their stats guy.

[Viper]

I think you all have me and most of the realists wrong.

We know the record. It sucks.

We know how good Marquette can be. Many of us were then when ....

Our good friends at Cracked Sidewalks, Anonymous Eagle and Paint Touches went beyond the record and explained, "why." Cracked Sidewalks was right on with the Hausers being the defining moment and it being a Management breakdown.

It's not what we want -- good lord, most of us if asked point blank, would argue a change is necessary. Period. Me included.

But, we love the program and we love Marquette University. We're realistic enough to believe that Wojo is going no where because there's no appetite for a change. So, if he's going to stay, other things have to change. And, as I pointed out yesterday, you have to sell that a difference is coming. Something we all acknowledge hasn't happened so far. I wish the Administration would see this -- I'm not sure they do -- and I really don't have a lot of confidence in their ability to find someone like Nate Oats who can lead us back to what we once were.

This year, I felt like the team was more concerned about social issues than they were about winning. The issues are important and the players' opinions matter, but they're there to win. You need to worry about the distractions off the court. When they wore black at home the one game they were protesting, I turned the TV off. I knew they were going to get clobbered because their minds were elsewhere.

I'll admit that as the season wore on, I watched less and less. I was disgusted by the turnovers, poor plays and lousy schemes. When we won and my MU grad wife saw a sign of relief and asked, "did we win?" I just grimaced and said, "I guess that's what you call it."

hang in there brother dgies. The seashells are aplenty and the balloons shall float high again.