Valpo drops "Crusaders"

[MUfan12]

No word yet on if they'll decide to be "The Brown."

https://www.chicagotribune.com/suburbs/post-tribune/ct-ptb-valparaiso-university-new-mascot-st-0212-20210211-xtv334georhg7in73kac3almvy-story.html

[4everwarriors]

Ya kant sey dat heer, hey?

[Galway Eagle]

This'll be interesting pretty much any school without an animal is going to find themselves on shaky grounds if it becomes precedent

[MUfan12]

This'll be interesting pretty much any school without an animal is going to find themselves on shaky grounds if it becomes precedent

Yeah but the predatory nature of animals is problematic. It'll have to be vegetation.

[StillAWarrior]

Yeah but the predatory nature of animals is problematic. It'll have to be vegetation.

Organic, of course.

[MUfan12]

Organic, of course.

And non-phallic. So the Evansville Eggplants are out.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

It's not about the violence, it's about who the violence was directed at.

[WellsstreetWanderer]

Anybody tired of this Yet?
Vonnegut would have had a good laugh at this stuff

[The Sultan]

Anybody tired of this Yet?
Vonnegut would have had a good laugh at this stuff

Tired of what exactly?

[StillAWarrior]

Tired of what exactly?

Non-phallic organic fruits and vegetables.

[GooooMarquette]

The Marquette Organic Sprouts.

Let's grab the name before all the other schools want it.

[Galway Eagle]

And non-phallic. So the Evansville Eggplants are out.

I guess RISD's mascot Scrotie is out then

[The Sultan]

The Marquette Organic Sprouts.

Let's grab the name before all the other schools want it.

Copying a generic name hasn't stopped us before.

[GooooMarquette]

Goodnews, hey?

[ZiggysFryBoy]

As a full member of the Knights Templar, I'm disappointed in the decision.

[MUfan12]

It's not about the violence, it's about who the violence was directed at.

I know. I couldn't enjoy Bryce Drew's buzzer beater because of the guilt I felt as a Christian.

[MU Fan in Connecticut]

Valpo Alpo

Valpo Bricky (Gold Bricky is looking to return somewhere.)

[MuggsyB]

Yeah but the predatory nature of animals is problematic. It'll have to be vegetation.

Rhinos are vegetarians.  And cool as hell.

[JWags85]

Might as well do away with Knights as a nickname as well.  Many Knights enjoyed a good plundering and hate groups love using Knights as well, far more than Crusaders.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

I know. I couldn't enjoy Bryce Drew's buzzer beater because of the guilt I felt as a Christian.

No one's asking you to feel guilt,  just empathy towards your Muslim brothers and sisters.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Might as well do away with Knights as a nickname as well.  Many Knights enjoyed a good plundering and hate groups love using Knights as well, far more than Crusaders.

I think as long as the mascot isn't a guy in a bedsheet, knight is a fine mascot. The trouble with crusader is that it's primary definition refers to a group of people that was created to commit genocide against another religion. I can understand why Muslim students would take offense to the name.

[Hards Alumni]

I think as long as the mascot isn't a guy in a bedsheet, knight is a fine mascot. The trouble with crusader is that it's primary definition refers to a group of people that was created to commit genocide against another religion. I can understand why Muslim students would take offense to the name.

Right, imagine if the Wright State Jihadis existed

[tower912]

'Social Justice Warriors' awaits.

[JWags85]

I think as long as the mascot isn't a guy in a bedsheet, knight is a fine mascot. The trouble with crusader is that it's primary definition refers to a group of people that was created to commit genocide against another religion. I can understand why Muslim students would take offense to the name.

Genocide is aggressive. Unless we are going to call every English foray into France a genocide. Or the constant shifting of kingdoms and territories in literally every continent in the world at that time. I don't view territorial aggression and acquisition as genocidal.

The purpose of the crusades was to take back the Holy Land, not the wholesale removal of Muslims from the Middle East.  I'm unaware of the Crusades moving further East out of the "Holy Lands" if genocide was indeed the goal.  It's not like the Turks and Fatimids were just peacefully twiddling their thumbs before the crusades began.

War sucks, but it's also a profound part of history. Terrible stuff happened during the Crusade, but it was hardly one sided.  If remnants and references to historical wars are going to be a point of discomfort that needs to be removed, this is just the beginning.

Right, imagine if the Wright State Jihadis existed

Except Jihad/Jihadist is a contemporary term specifically developed with a connotation to terrorism.

We're calling the the Crusades medieval terrorism now?

[MuggsyB]

Genocide is aggressive. Unless we are going to call every English foray into France a genocide. Or the constant shifting of kingdoms and territories in literally every continent in the world at that time. I don%u2019t view territorial aggression and acquisition as genocidal.

The purpose of the crusades was to take back the Holy Land, not the wholesale removal of Muslims from the Middle East.  I%u2019m unaware of the Crusades moving further East out of the %u201CHoly Lands%u201D if genocide was indeed the goal.  It%u2019s not like the Turks and Fatimids were just peacefully twiddling their thumbs before the crusades began.

War sucks, but it%u2019s also a profound part of history. Terrible stuff happened during the Crusade, but it was hardly one sided.  If remnants and references to historical wars are going to be a point of discomfort that needs to be removed, this is just the beginning.

Except Jihad/Jihadist is a contemporary term specifically developed with a connotation to terrorism.

We%u2019re calling the the Crusades medieval terrorism now?

You point is well taken from my perspective.  The term genocide has seemingly had a number of permutations.  In reality there has only been one attempt of actual genocide which was of course the Holocaust.

I make a distinction between ethnic cleansing or targeting a religious group in a specific area, Warlordism in various parts of the world, and actual genocide.  So for example even if you look at Cambodia in the early 70's, which proportionally is arguably the worst mass slaughtering in history, I wouldn't define it as genocide. 

What makes the Holocaust different is the goal of the Nazis was to literally kill every member of the Jewish faith on earth.