Author Topic: The Hey its 2021 now guys MLB thread (Read 182787 times)

ZiggysFryBoy · « **Reply #950 on:** July 15, 2021, 10:48:27 PM »

Quote from: Its DJOver on July 15, 2021, 09:41:37 PM

https://twitter.com/AdamMcCalvy/status/1415023229043974152

"That's a bold strategy Cotton, let's see if it pays off"

I'd call that a waste of a pick, but he's won the Connor Taylor award the last 3 weeks. So he's got that going for him, which is nice.

The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole · « **Reply #951 on:** July 16, 2021, 07:42:15 AM »

Eh, potential decent upside with their last pick. No big deal if it doesn't pan out.

Its DJOver · « **Reply #952 on:** July 16, 2021, 08:23:37 AM »

Quote from: ZiggysFryBoy on July 15, 2021, 10:48:27 PM

I'd call that a waste of a pick, but he's won the Connor Taylor award the last 3 weeks. So he's got that going for him, which is nice.

Serious question; how many 20th round picks have actually made the show? If all that pick does is generate a few clickbait articles, I'd call that a job well done.

jficke13 · « **Reply #953 on:** July 16, 2021, 08:30:03 AM »

Quote from: MU82 on July 15, 2021, 02:41:11 PM

Very disappointed hearing these stories about abuse of kid pitchers.

Most of the leagues I ump the pitch-count rules are very strict and enforced. Sometimes it seems like the kids are being coddled, but at that age I much prefer that. Plenty of time for heavier counts later in their development.

Yeah, I'm sorry but I don't really see any reason to ride a kid's arm. Get a team W? Uh, congrats, they're 11. Virtually 0 upside, limitless downside. No dang sense at all.

shoothoops · « **Reply #954 on:** July 16, 2021, 08:33:07 AM »

Quote from: Its DJOver on July 16, 2021, 08:23:37 AM

Serious question; how many 20th round picks have actually made the show? If all that pick does is generate a few clickbait articles, I'd call that a job well done.

Beginning with the 3rd round, less than half of MLB draft picks make the major leagues statistically, and the chances steadily decline to the point where if you are not a top 10 round pick the numbers making it are far leas than 10%.

It’s interesting to see which high school players decide to go pro or college. It’s also interesting to see which college eligible players go pro vs going back to school.

If a high school player is not drafted in say the first 2-3 rounds, often times they will stick with their college commitment. If a 21 year old or Junior draft eligible player gets drafted, more of those players will leave and go pro early in the middle rounds. But even then it’s mixed.

TAMU, Knower of Ball · « **Reply #955 on:** July 16, 2021, 09:05:58 AM »

Quote from: Its DJOver on July 16, 2021, 08:23:37 AM

Serious question; how many 20th round picks have actually made the show? If all that pick does is generate a few clickbait articles, I'd call that a job well done.

https://www.baseballamerica.com/stories/how-many-mlb-draftees-make-it-to-the-majors/

This article breaks down the %s for rounds 1-10 and then gives a blanket % for rounds 11-20. It looks like somewhere between 5-10% of 11th-20th rounders make the show. I would imagine the 20th rounders are the smallest contributors to that percentage.

Its DJOver · « **Reply #956 on:** July 16, 2021, 09:26:20 AM »

Thanks for the responses/data. Seeing as the entire second half of the draft seems to account for less than 10%, I don't really feel bad about having a "novelty" pick in the 20th round.

Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but the actual % would be even lower, as it doesn't take into account international players that didn't undergo the draft process.

shoothoops · « **Reply #957 on:** July 16, 2021, 09:55:19 AM »

Quote from: Its DJOver on July 16, 2021, 09:26:20 AM

Thanks for the responses/data. Seeing as the entire second half of the draft seems to account for less than 10%, I don't really feel bad about having a "novelty" pick in the 20th round.

Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but the actual % would be even lower, as it doesn't take into account international players that didn't undergo the draft process.

And of course there are always exceptions. Luke Voigt was drafted in the 32nd round out of high school, then 22nd round out of college. No one thought he would be such a story in NYC the past few years. Cross town Kumar Rocker getting over-slot $6 Million in Queens has roughly a 3 in 4 chance to make the majors.

Macallan 18 · « **Reply #958 on:** July 16, 2021, 11:09:39 AM »

Quote from: ZiggysFryBoy on July 15, 2021, 10:48:27 PM

I'd call that a waste of a pick, but he's won the Connor Taylor award the last 3 weeks. So he's got that going for him, which is nice.

Maybe he is the next Mike Piazza!

Piazza was taken by the Los Angeles Dodgers with the 1,390th pick in the 62nd Round of 1988's MLB Draft. He is the lowest-drafted Hall of Famer.

wadesworld · « **Reply #959 on:** July 16, 2021, 11:45:33 AM »

Quote from: Macallan 18 on July 16, 2021, 11:09:39 AM

Maybe he is the next Mike Piazza!

Piazza was taken by the Los Angeles Dodgers with the 1,390th pick in the 62nd Round of 1988's MLB Draft. He is the lowest-drafted Hall of Famer.

He should get Piazza's steroid guy's number.

Lennys Tap · « **Reply #960 on:** July 16, 2021, 03:46:20 PM »

Quote from: Its DJOver on July 16, 2021, 08:23:37 AM

Serious question; how many 20th round picks have actually made the show? If all that pick does is generate a few clickbait articles, I'd call that a job well done.

Ryne Sanburg was a 20th round pick. Lots of HOFamers taken after the 10th round. I think Nolan Ryan was a 12th rounder. I’d rather pick a real player than go for click bait.

Its DJOver · « **Reply #961 on:** July 16, 2021, 04:14:20 PM »

Quote from: Lennys Tap on July 16, 2021, 03:46:20 PM

Ryne Sanburg was a 20th round pick. Lots of HOFamers taken after the 10th round. I think Nolan Ryan was a 12th rounder. I’d rather pick a real player than go for click bait.

Ehh, still not that concerned. If a player from the 20th round of this draft becomes a HOFer, or even makes the show, I guess you can say I told you so.

The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole · « **Reply #962 on:** July 16, 2021, 04:31:02 PM »

Quote from: Its DJOver on July 16, 2021, 04:14:20 PM

Ehh, still not that concerned. If a player from the 20th round of this draft becomes a HOFer, or even makes the show, I guess you can say I told you so.

Conversely, this guy may be decent in a year or two.

Its DJOver · « **Reply #963 on:** July 16, 2021, 04:43:15 PM »

Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on July 16, 2021, 04:31:02 PM

Conversely, this guy may be decent in a year or two.

Another reason why I'm not all that concerned, I trust the front office. If this guy makes it, I guess both Lenny and I can say "I told you so", because he'd be right that a guy from the 20th round can make the show, but if he does end up making the show, he'd hardly be "a waste of a pick". It's also only one pick from one year's draft. I don't know enough about prospects or development to guess if he'll pan out, or even know what level he's currently playing at, but again, I trust the front office.

TAMU, Knower of Ball · « **Reply #964 on:** July 16, 2021, 04:58:13 PM »

I'm going to go out on a limb and say that the Brewers drafted Mendez because they think he had more potential than the other players available in the 20th round and not because a few articles would be written about him being old.

#UnleashSean · « **Reply #965 on:** July 16, 2021, 06:07:09 PM »

Quote from: Macallan 18 on July 16, 2021, 11:09:39 AM

Maybe he is the next Mike Piazza!

Piazza was taken by the Los Angeles Dodgers with the 1,390th pick in the 62nd Round of 1988's MLB Draft. He is the lowest-drafted Hall of Famer.

Also as only a favor to his dad

#UnleashSean · « **Reply #966 on:** July 16, 2021, 06:13:32 PM »

Going back to the discussion of kids pitching. I came from the says of 6 inning limit per week, no pitch counts were had.

Outside of little league we probably played some type of baseball almost every day in the back yard. I probably threw a few hundred pitches a week... of course my brothers and I never once threw a curve ball. None of us ever had arm issues from pitching.

Jockey · « **Reply #967 on:** July 16, 2021, 07:11:12 PM »

Quote from: #UnleashRowsey on July 16, 2021, 06:13:32 PM

Going back to the discussion of kids pitching. I came from the says of 6 inning limit per week, no pitch counts were had.

Outside of little league we probably played some type of baseball almost every day in the back yard. I probably threw a few hundred pitches a week... of course my brothers and I never once threw a curve ball. None of us ever had arm issues from pitching.

How could you play catch every day and not try a curveball? As I kid I threw what MLB pitchers threw. Curveball, knuckle ball, screwball, many different kinds of changeups.

Some I threw OK. Some were junk.

#UnleashSean · « **Reply #968 on:** July 16, 2021, 09:28:55 PM »

Quote from: Jockey on July 16, 2021, 07:11:12 PM

How could you play catch every day and not try a curveball? As I kid I threw what MLB pitchers threw. Curveball, knuckle ball, screwball, many different kinds of changeups.

Some I threw OK. Some were junk.

With knowledge of our day, it was less about pitch count and more about the motion of the arm with things such as curveball that destroyed arms.

So we never did them. Plenty of sinkers and knuckleballs though