Big East Poll and NET rankings

[NCMUFan]

Not good.  Headed wrong direction.

[WhiteTrash]

Does Wojo get a gold star and a bonus for a perfect 100 score?

[Lennys Tap]

Big East NET rankings as of games of February 3,2021
New Old
11   6   Villanova   
33   34   Xavier   
34   24   Creighton   
45   46   UConn   
50   57   Seton Hall   
68   82   St. John's
86   75   Providence   
97   93   Marquette   
110   129   Georgetown   
131   131   Butler   
167   167   DePaul

Apologies to Paul Simon: "Slip sliding away"

[DoctorV]

14 spot jump for the johnnies for beating Nova, 19 spot jump for Hoyas beating Creighton, both with heavy margins.

So...
MU beats Creighton and jumps up 8-10 spots. MU beats Bova and jumps up 15ish spots (both depending on margin of course).

Move from the mid 90s to the 70ish range in half a week. Tack on another 3/4 wins (at the very least 4 if Gtown gets added back) and finish in the 55-65 range in NET to earn a bid with a sweat. The computer numbers still won't be lock status but the 4 quality wins (UW, CUx2, Nova) should be enough to get MU in.

This is pretty much the best scenario, and only "feeling relatively comfortable" scenario I see remaining. Splitting the next two and finishing 5-0 or 6-0 would likely do it too (11-8 or 12-8 in conference) or splitting and finishing with 1 additional loss at 10-9 or 11-9 would probably mean squarely on the bubble.

Lose both and should be curtains. All of the above doesn't take into account the BET, which is probably no lock with regards to even happening.

Disclaimer 1A: all of the above is crazy talk for nojos, or perhaps even a majority of the board.
Disclaimer 1B: if brew disagrees listen to him

[Herman Cain]

14 spot jump for the johnnies for beating Nova, 19 spot jump for Hoyas beating Creighton, both with heavy margins.

So...
MU beats Creighton and jumps up 8-10 spots. MU beats Bova and jumps up 15ish spots (both depending on margin of course).

Move from the mid 90s to the 70ish range in half a week. Tack on another 3/4 wins (at the very least 4 if Gtown gets added back) and finish in the 55-65 range in NET to earn a bid with a sweat. The computer numbers still won't be lock status but the 4 quality wins (UW, CUx2, Nova) should be enough to get MU in.

This is pretty much the best scenario, and only "feeling relatively comfortable" scenario I see remaining. Splitting the next two and finishing 5-0 or 6-0 would likely do it too (11-8 or 12-8 in conference) or splitting and finishing with 1 additional loss at 10-9 or 11-9 would probably mean squarely on the bubble.

Lose both and should be curtains. All of the above doesn't take into account the BET, which is probably no lock with regards to even happening.

Disclaimer 1A: all of the above is crazy talk for nojos, or perhaps even a majority of the board.
Disclaimer 1B: if brew disagrees listen to him

Ten Big East wins will get us in the tournament .

[brewcity77]

14 spot jump for the johnnies for beating Nova, 19 spot jump for Hoyas beating Creighton, both with heavy margins.

So...
MU beats Creighton and jumps up 8-10 spots. MU beats Bova and jumps up 15ish spots (both depending on margin of course).

Move from the mid 90s to the 70ish range in half a week. Tack on another 3/4 wins (at the very least 4 if Gtown gets added back) and finish in the 55-65 range in NET to earn a bid with a sweat. The computer numbers still won't be lock status but the 4 quality wins (UW, CUx2, Nova) should be enough to get MU in.

This is pretty much the best scenario, and only "feeling relatively comfortable" scenario I see remaining. Splitting the next two and finishing 5-0 or 6-0 would likely do it too (11-8 or 12-8 in conference) or splitting and finishing with 1 additional loss at 10-9 or 11-9 would probably mean squarely on the bubble.

Lose both and should be curtains. All of the above doesn't take into account the BET, which is probably no lock with regards to even happening.

Disclaimer 1A: all of the above is crazy talk for nojos, or perhaps even a majority of the board.
Disclaimer 1B: if brew disagrees listen to him

If we beat Creighton and 'Nova, we'll still probably need to go 3-2 to feel comfortable. If we finish 13-12, I'm just not sure that is a good enough record. It might be enough top of the resume quality, as it would be a similar resume to Maryland who I (spoiler) will have in the field tomorrow morning. I really think there's a point where the record just isn't good enough, no matter the quality of wins at the top of the resume (Crean's 2017 Indiana team is a great example). I feel like in a shortened season, +3 in the win column is where we need to be. Maybe +2 if we have a ton of Q1 wins (6+).

At this point, Marquette is 10+ spots away from the field, in my opinion. 9-9 just isn't good enough, especially with DePaul slipping back to Q4. Our 1-5 record in Q2 is really what's killing us. If that was just 3-3 we'd be in, but those are some big results.

[The Big East]

Big East NET rankings as of games of February 4, 2021
New Old
12   11   Villanova   
34   34   Creighton   
35   33   Xavier   
43   45   UConn   
48   50   Seton Hall   
67   68   St. John's
87   86   Providence   
98   97   Marquette   
111   110   Georgetown
131   131   Butler   
166   167   DePaul

[mu_hilltopper]

I'd like to see the S-Curve for the Vegas 16.

[Dr. Blackheart]

I'd like to see the S-Curve for the Vegas 16.

They use the Famous Seneca Curve. The S loops are a bit flatter.

[The Big East]

Big East NET rankings as of games of February 5,2021
New Old
12   12   Villanova   
34   34   Creighton   
35   35   Xavier   
43   43   UConn   
49   48   Seton Hall   
67   67   St. John's
85   87   Providence   
99   98   Marquette   
112   111   Georgetown   
133   131   Butler   
165   166   DePaul   

[Shooter McGavin]

Big East NET rankings as of games of February 5,2021
New Old
12   12   Villanova   
34   34   Creighton   
35   35   Xavier   
43   43   UConn   
49   48   Seton Hall   
67   67   St. John's
85   87   Providence   
99   98   Marquette   
112   111   Georgetown   
133   131   Butler   
165   166   DePaul

Ugh!

[brewcity77]

Every day we creep one spot closer to triple digits.

[WarriorPride68]

Every day we creep one spot closer to triple digits.

102 this morning

[GoldenWarrior11]

First time in the NET's young history that we drop into the 100's.

[WhiteTrash]

102 this morning

As if 102 (and falling) isn't sad enough, I think next year will be worse.

As someone who 100% agreed with his last extension, I now truly believe we have seen the high water mark for Wojo and it will be all down hill from here.

Apathy is sinking in for me and my alumni friends. Still fans of MU basketball but not must see games and no optimism about Wojo and the current state of the program. 

[WarriorPride68]

First time in the NET's young history that we drop into the 100's.

Stan Johnson first year at LMU, trails MU by only 19 spots at 121.

[GoldenWarrior11]

Stan Johnson first year at LMU, trails MU by only 19 spots at 121.

Virginia Tech, being under two seasons removed from a Buzz purge, is sitting comfortably with a 14-4 record and a top-40 NET ranking.  Their head coach came into a situation where each of the recruits followed Buzz to A&M and the program lost its top-6 contributors from the year before.  Last year, they still managed to go 16-16 (MU went 13-19 in Wojo's first year). 

I bring this up because for the past few years, many posters argued that Wojo's first season should not count towards his resume at MU.  Why is it that other programs, like Stan at LMU, or Mike Young at VT, can go into a program and get the team to be competitive from day one?  Wojo's first season should have been considered a red flag, as many other examples have had. 

[WhiteTrash]

Virginia Tech, being under two seasons removed from a Buzz purge, is sitting comfortably with a 14-4 record and a top-40 NET ranking.  Their head coach came into a situation where each of the recruits followed Buzz to A&M and the program lost its top-6 contributors from the year before.  Last year, they still managed to go 16-16 (MU went 13-19 in Wojo's first year). 

I bring this up because for the past few years, many posters argued that Wojo's first season should not count towards his resume at MU.  Why is it that other programs, like Stan at LMU, or Mike Young at VT, can go into a program and get the team to be competitive from day one?  Wojo's first season should have been considered a red flag, as many other examples have had.

I agree but I think this a moot point now. Regardless of thoughts on Wojo's first season, the consensus is that Wojo is not a very good coach.

MU and BigEast level teams need very good or great coaches. Classy people and good coaching are best for mid-major programs. 

[Dr. Blackheart]

102 this morning

MU officially has a fever.

[panda]

Virginia Tech, being under two seasons removed from a Buzz purge, is sitting comfortably with a 14-4 record and a top-40 NET ranking.  Their head coach came into a situation where each of the recruits followed Buzz to A&M and the program lost its top-6 contributors from the year before.  Last year, they still managed to go 16-16 (MU went 13-19 in Wojo's first year). 

I bring this up because for the past few years, many posters argued that Wojo's first season should not count towards his resume at MU.  Why is it that other programs, like Stan at LMU, or Mike Young at VT, can go into a program and get the team to be competitive from day one?  Wojo's first season should have been considered a red flag, as many other examples have had.

Rebuilding in college basketball takes one or two recruiting classes. Longer than that and questions should be asked of how you're cultivating your talent once they arrive on campus. 

[CountryRoads]

Virginia Tech, being under two seasons removed from a Buzz purge, is sitting comfortably with a 14-4 record and a top-40 NET ranking.  Their head coach came into a situation where each of the recruits followed Buzz to A&M and the program lost its top-6 contributors from the year before.  Last year, they still managed to go 16-16 (MU went 13-19 in Wojo's first year). 

I bring this up because for the past few years, many posters argued that Wojo's first season should not count towards his resume at MU.  Why is it that other programs, like Stan at LMU, or Mike Young at VT, can go into a program and get the team to be competitive from day one?  Wojo's first season should have been considered a red flag, as many other examples have had.

Wojo said in his first press conference that "this is not a patch job." So, what he does in his first offseason is bring in zero of his own players with the exception of a grad transfer Carlino who played the most minutes on the team and took the most shots only to be gone next year. The following year they scheduled so poorly that even a 20 win big east team couldn't sniff the NIT bubble. He was a massive failure in years one and two.

Also, in my opinion, he got very lucky with the Reinhardt "patch job" as he was really the difference in squeaking in the NCAA in year three.

[NorthernDancerColt]

MU officially has a fever.

[Spaniel with a Short Tail]

MU officially has a fever.

[cheese ball chaser]

Virginia Tech, being under two seasons removed from a Buzz purge, is sitting comfortably with a 14-4 record and a top-40 NET ranking.  Their head coach came into a situation where each of the recruits followed Buzz to A&M and the program lost its top-6 contributors from the year before.  Last year, they still managed to go 16-16 (MU went 13-19 in Wojo's first year). 

I bring this up because for the past few years, many posters argued that Wojo's first season should not count towards his resume at MU.  Why is it that other programs, like Stan at LMU, or Mike Young at VT, can go into a program and get the team to be competitive from day one?  Wojo's first season should have been considered a red flag, as many other examples have had.

Those of us who were critical of Wojo a few years after he started were attacked for "not giving him enough time to build his program." There have been several examples like the one you provided where new coaches have turned things around at their school quickly. There's simply no defense of Wojo right now.

[Galway Eagle]

Wojo said in his first press conference that "this is not a patch job." So, what he does in his first offseason is bring in zero of his own players with the exception of a grad transfer Carlino who played the most minutes on the team and took the most shots only to be gone next year. The following year they scheduled so poorly that even a 20 win big east team couldn't sniff the NIT bubble. He was a massive failure in years one and two.

Also, in my opinion, he got very lucky with the Reinhardt "patch job" as he was really the difference in squeaking in the NCAA in year three.

Was the schedule his fault in year 2? I thought the AD scheduled that in advance by a few years