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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: The Big East on November 30, 2020, 12:34:06 PM
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November 30,2020
Ap
9. Creighton
12. Villanova
Receiving Votes
Providence, U Conn
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AP
8. Creighton
9. Villanova
Others receiving votes
MU, U Conn, X
Coaches
6. Villanova
7. Creighton
Others receiving votes
MU, U Conn , X
NET rankings not out yet
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Monday December 14
AP
7. Nova
9. Creighton
Others Receiving Votes
X, U Conn
Coaches Poll
6. Nova
9. Creighton
Others Receiving Votes
X, U Conn, MU
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December 21
AP
5. Nova
13. Creighton
22.X
Coaches
3. Nova
13. Creighton
22. X
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Marquette # 42 in Ken Pom today
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Marquette # 42 in Ken Pom today
Will be back up to 33 with a win today.
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AP
4. Nova
11. Creighton
Others Receiving Votes
X
Coaches
3. Nova
10. Creighton
20. X
No NET rankings yet
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AP
3. Nova
7. Creighton
Others receiving votes
Seton Hall, Xavier
Coaches
3. Nova
5. Creighton
Others receiving votes
X, seton Hall
Big East Net Rankings
5 Villanova
30 Creighton
44 Seton Hall
46 Xavier
48 UConn
63 Marquette
78 Providence
112 St. John's
149 Georgetown
155 DePaul
170 Butler
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As of games of January 4
New Old
6 5 Villanova
29 30 Creighton
41 44 Seton Hall
43 46 Xavier
49 48 UConn
64 63 Marquette
77 78 Providence
110 112 St. John's
149 149 Georgetown
156 155 DePaul
171 170 Butler
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As of Games of January 5, 2021
New Old
6 6 Villanova
28 29 Creighton
39 49 UConn
42 43 Xavier
44 41 Seton Hall
65 64 Marquette
75 77 Providence
115 110 St. John's
150 149 Georgetown
155 156 DePaul
169 171 Butler
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Big East NET Rankings as of games of January 6,2021
New Old
7 6 Villanova
23 28 Creighton
28 39 UConn
40 42 Xavier
43 44 Seton Hall
71 65 Marquette
73 75 Providence
117 115 St. John's
145 155 DePaul
160 150 Georgetown
161 169 Butler
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Big East NET rankings as of games of January 7,2021
New Old
7 7 Villanova
15 23 Creighton
21 28 UConn
42 40 Xavier
56 43 Seton Hall
74 71 Marquette
75 73 Providence
109 117 St. John's
145 145 DePaul
157 161 Butler
169 160 Georgetown
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BIg East NET rankings as of games of January 8, 2021
New Old
7 7 Villanova
15 15 Creighton
18 21 UConn
37 42 Xavier
55 56 Seton Hall
71 74 Marquette
77 75 Providence
107 109 St. John's
144 145 DePaul
155 157 Butler
168 169 Georgetown
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BIg East NET rankings as of games of January 8, 2021
New Old
7 7 Villanova
15 15 Creighton
18 21 UConn
37 42 Xavier
55 56 Seton Hall
71 74 Marquette
77 75 Providence
107 109 St. John's
144 145 DePaul
155 157 Butler
Bubblicious! Thanks for keeping track of these.
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Marquette #54 in Kenpom Rankings Today
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Big East NET Rankings as of games of January 9,2021
New Old
8 7 Villanova
14 15 Creighton
21 18 UConn
33 37 Xavier
49 55 Seton Hall
73 71 Marquette
79 77 Providence
113 107 St. John's
153 155 Butler
156 168 Georgetown
172 144 DePaul
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Big East NET Rankings as of games of January 10,2021
New Old
7 8 Villanova
14 14 Creighton
21 21 UConn
38 33 Xavier
49 49 Seton Hall
72 73 Marquette
77 79 Providence
115 113 St. John's
152 153 Butler
157 156 Georgetown
169 172 DePaul
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Big East Poll Rankings January 11
AP
3. Nova
8. Creighton
25. U-Conn
Others receiving Votes
X
Coaches
3.Nova
6.Creighton
Others Receiving Votes
U-Conn, X, Seton Hall
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Big East NET Rankings as of Games of January 11, 2021
New Old
7 7 Villanova
14 14 Creighton
23 21 UConn
36 38 Xavier
48 49 Seton Hall
73 72 Marquette
78 77 Providence
114 115 St. John's
153 152 Butler
157 157 Georgetown
168 169 DePaul
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Marquette's Quadrants Using KenPom Rankings (because NET needs more games to be accurate):
Q1A: 2-2 (WIS, @CREI, @UCLA, NOVA)
Q1B: 0-2 (@X, UCONN)
Q2A: 0-2 (OKST, HALL)
Q2B: 2-0 (@GTWN, PROV)
Q3: 0-0
Q4: 3-0 (UAPB, EIU, UWGB)
Next 5 games are a Q1B, Q2A, and 3 Q3 games. Gotta win all 3 Q3 games and one of the Q1B/Q2A to stay on track.
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Thank You for doing this thread. Marquette’s NET is 65 Today.
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Big East Net Rankings as of games of January 12,2021
New Old
7 7 Villanova
12 14 Creighton
23 23 UConn
37 36 Xavier
50 48 Seton Hall
65 73 Marquette
80 78 Providence
103 114 St. John's
155 157 Georgetown
164 153 Butler
170 168 DePaul
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Marquette after home Providence game:
KenPom 65
NCAA Net 51
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Marquette after home Providence game:
KenPom 65
NCAA Net 51
Where do you find the NCAA net? And what are the NET rankings Seditionist Loves the Big East is posting?
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Marquette after home Providence game:
KenPom 65
NCAA Net 51
51 in Kenpom, 65 in the NET.
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51 in Kenpom, 65 in the NET.
Yep. I typed that backwards.
It's
KenPom 51
NCAA Net 65
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Where do you find the NCAA net? And what are the NET rankings Seditionist Loves the Big East is posting?
https://www.ncaa.com/rankings/basketball-men/d1/ncaa-mens-basketball-net-rankings
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Lunardi has Marquette 7 teams removed from the NCAA Tourney today:
https://twitter.com/ESPNLunardi/status/1349384631813083138?s=19
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Big East NET rankings as of games of January 13, 2021
New Old
8 7 Villanova
13 12 Creighton
23 23 UConn
37 37 Xavier
53 50 Seton Hall
64 65 Marquette
81 80 Providence
107 103 St. John's
157 155 Georgetown
163 164 Butler
171 170 DePaul
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Lunardi has Marquette 7 teams removed from the NCAA Tourney today:
https://twitter.com/ESPNLunardi/status/1349384631813083138?s=19
I just don't see how anyone is putting Duke in the field. Their best wins are ND and BC. They've lost every game they had against tourney-level teams. Michigan State at least beat Rutgers, but they don't have much more credential to be in. I really think anyone putting those teams in is doing so simply on the basis of the name on the front of the jersey and not the resume of what they've actually done.
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Big East NET Rankings as of games of January 14, 2021
New Old
8 8 Villanova
14 13 Creighton
24 23 UConn
39 37 Xavier
51 53 Seton Hall
67 64 Marquette
83 81 Providence
103 107 St. John's
160 157 Georgetown
167 163 Butler
174 171 DePaul
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Big East NET Rankings as of games of January 15, 2021
New Old
8 8 Villanova
17 14 Creighton
25 24 UConn
39 39 Xavier
52 51 Seton Hall
66 67 Marquette
84 83 Providence
108 103 St. John's
157 160 Georgetown
167 167 Butler
174 174 DePaul
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Big East NET Rankings as of games of January 16, 2021
New Old
8 8 Villanova
23 17 Creighton
24 25 UConn
39 39 Xavier
51 52 Seton Hall
65 66 Marquette
82 84 Providence
121 108 St. John's
144 167 Butler
149 174 DePaul
161 157 Georgetown
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Big East NET Rankings as of games of January 16, 2021
New Old
8 8 Villanova
23 17 Creighton
24 25 UConn
39 39 Xavier
51 52 Seton Hall
65 66 Marquette
82 84 Providence
121 108 St. John's
144 167 Butler
149 174 DePaul
161 157 Georgetown
Those four anchors are a big drag for the conference with postponed games limiting upside of opponent strength. See Butler beating Creighton. Need to beat all those teams at the bottom and by 10 or better is even better. The BE out of conference record was a killer.
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Big East NET rankings as of games of January 17, 2021
New Old
8 8 Villanova
23 23 Creighton
25 24 UConn
39 39 Xavier
52 51 Seton Hall
65 65 Marquette
80 82 Providence
122 121 St. John's
145 144 Butler
148 149 DePaul
155 161 Georgetown
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January 18,2021
AP
3.Nova
11. Creighton
23. U Conn
Others Receiving Votes
X
Coaches Poll
3. Nova
11.Creighton
Others Receiving Votes
U Conn , X
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January 18,2021
AP
3.Nova
11. Creighton
23. U Conn
Others Receiving Votes
X
Coaches Poll
3. Nova
11.Creighton
Others Receiving Votes
U Conn , X
Well that not lasting long for U Conn
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Big East NET rankings as of games of January 18,2021
New Old
8 8 Villanova
23 23 Creighton
38 39 Xavier
39 25 UConn
53 52 Seton Hall
66 65 Marquette
82 80 Providence
98 122 St. John's
144 145 Butler
148 155 Georgetown
158 148 DePaul
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Big East NET rankings as of games of January 18,2021
New Old
8 8 Villanova
23 23 Creighton
38 39 Xavier
39 25 UConn
53 52 Seton Hall
66 65 Marquette
82 80 Providence
98 122 St. John's
144 145 Butler
148 155 Georgetown
158 148 DePaul
Since Uconn and SJU are both teams weve played. SJU beating Uconn didnt help us NET wise as expected. But they themselves had a massive jump, so it greatly helps our win at least.
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Big East NET rankings as of games of January 19, 2021
New Old
8 8 Villanova
20 23 Creighton
39 38 Xavier
42 39 UConn
51 53 Seton Hall
68 66 Marquette
80 82 Providence
96 98 St. John's
133 144 Butler
146 148 Georgetown
196 158 DePaul
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Big East NET rankings as of games of January 20,2021
New Old
7 8 Villanova
29 20 Creighton
39 39 Xavier
44 42 UConn
54 51 Seton Hall
67 68 Marquette
68 80 Providence
102 96 St. John's
132 133 Butler
150 146 Georgetown
201 196 DePaul
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Big East NET rankings as of games of January 21,2021
New Old
8 7 Villanova
27 29 Creighton
39 39 Xavier
45 44 UConn
50 54 Seton Hall
66 67 Marquette
67 68 Providence
100 102 St. John's
129 132 Butler
148 150 Georgetown
201 201 DePaul
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Big East NET rankings as of games of January 21,2021
New Old
8 7 Villanova
27 29 Creighton
39 39 Xavier
45 44 UConn
50 54 Seton Hall
66 67 Marquette
67 68 Providence
100 102 St. John's
129 132 Butler
148 150 Georgetown
201 201 DePaul
We desperately need to put some space between us and Providence.
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We desperately need to put some space between us and Providence.
Again, there is no set amount of bids the Big East can get. If Providence gets into the NCAA Tournament, it has no effect on whether or not Marquette will get into the NCAA Tournament.
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Again, there is no set amount of bids the Big East can get. If Providence gets into the NCAA Tournament, it has no effect on whether or not Marquette will get into the NCAA Tournament.
Well there are only so many at large spots, so actually it does. When both teams are on the bubble having a distinguishing factor in the resume can make a difference.
Otherwise equally resumes and only one has a win at Creighton... That team gets in. Well now we don't have that.
So beating Providence again is key to keeping us ahead of them in the bubble pecking order
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Well there are only so many at large spots, so actually it does. When both teams are on the bubble having a distinguishing factor in the resume can make a difference.
Otherwise equally resumes and only one has a win at Creighton... That team gets in. Well now we don't have that.
So beating Providence again is key to keeping us ahead of them in the bubble pecking order
Sure. But we need to set ourselves apart from Providence no more than we need to set ourselves apart from UNC or Rutgers or heck Xavier or Seton Hall any other bubble team. It’s not an either/or between Marquette and Providence.
Marquette needs to win a lot of games before the end of the season. If Providence wins a lot of games too, we’ll be just fine. Win games and everything else will sort itself out.
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Big East NET rankings as of games of January 22,2021
New Old
7 8 Villanova
29 27 Creighton
40 39 Xavier
46 45 UConn
50 50 Seton Hall
64 66 Marquette
67 67 Providence
98 100 St. John's
130 129 Butler
147 148 Georgetown
198 201 DePaul
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Big East NET rankings as of games of January 23, 2021
New Old
6 7 Villanova
27 29 Creighton
38 40 Xavier
44 46 UConn
53 50 Seton Hall
68 67 Providence
79 64 Marquette
91 98 St. John's
120 130 Butler
145 147 Georgetown
147 198 DePaul
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Well, at least we have now successfully distanced ourselves from Providence.
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Well, at least we have now successfully distanced ourselves from Providence.
Well played.
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Big East NET rankings as of games of January 24,2001
New Old
6 6 Villanova
27 27 Creighton
39 38 Xavier
44 44 UConn
54 53 Seton Hall
69 68 Providence
79 79 Marquette
91 91 St. John's
120 120 Butler
143 145 Georgetown
144 147 DePaul
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Big East Poll Rankings as of January 25,2021
AP
3. Nova
17. Creighton
Others Receiving Reports
U Conn, X
Coaches
3. Nova
14. Creighton
Others Receiving Votes
U Conn
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Big East NET Rankings as of games of January 25, 2021
New Old
7 6 Villanova
27 27 Creighton
40 39 Xavier
43 44 UConn
53 54 Seton Hall
69 69 Providence
79 79 Marquette
91 91 St. John's
122 120 Butler
144 143 Georgetown
145 144 DePaul
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Big East Net Rankings as of games of January 26, 2021
New Old
8 7 Villanova
25 27 Creighton
36 40 Xavier
43 43 UConn
52 53 Seton Hall
70 69 Providence
81 79 Marquette
93 91 St. John's
126 122 Butler
144 145 DePaul
145 144 Georgetown
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Big East NET Rankings as of games of January 27,2021
New Old
8 8 Villanova
22 25 Creighton
35 36 Xavier
44 43 UConn
56 52 Seton Hall
67 70 Providence
85 81 Marquette
88 93 St. John's
130 126 Butler
146 145 Georgetown
160 144 DePaul
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Surprised Seton Hall is that high
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Big East NET Rankings as of games of January 28, 2021
New Old
8 8 Villanova
22 22 Creighton
36 35 Xavier
45 44 UConn
56 56 Seton Hall
67 67 Providence
85 85 Marquette
88 88 St. John's
129 130 Butler
145 146 Georgetown
158 160 DePaul
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Big East NET rankings as of games of January 29,2021
New Old
8 8 Villanova
23 22 Creighton
36 36 Xavier
44 45 UConn
57 56 Seton Hall
66 67 Providence
84 85 Marquette
85 88 St. John's
127 129 Butler
143 145 Georgetown
157 158 DePaul
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Big East NET rankings as of games of January 30,2021
New Old
7 8 Villanova
27 23 Creighton
33 36 Xavier
45 44 UConn
59 57 Seton Hall
73 66 Providence
89 85 St. John's
91 84 Marquette
128 143 Georgetown
134 127 Butler
160 157 DePaul
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Big East NET rankings as of games of January 30,2021
New Old
7 8 Villanova
27 23 Creighton
33 36 Xavier
45 44 UConn
59 57 Seton Hall
73 66 Providence
89 85 St. John's
91 84 Marquette
128 143 Georgetown
134 127 Butler
160 157 DePaul
1. We’re awful
2. The conference is awful
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1. We’re awful
2. The conference is awful
If the tourney started today, I think this is a 4-bid league.
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Big East NET Rankings as of games of January 31, 2021
New Old
7 7 Villanova
27 27 Creighton
34 33 Xavier
46 45 UConn
58 59 Seton Hall
72 73 Providence
83 89 St. John's
93 91 Marquette
127 128 Georgetown
133 134 Butler
163 160 DePaul
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Big East Poll Rankings as of February 1,2021
AP
3. Villanova
15. Creighton
Others Receiving Votes
X , U Conn
Coaches
3. Villanova
12. Creighton
Others Receiving Votes
U Conn
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What I don't get is how Oklahoma can be ranked in the top 10 and Xavier is unranked. Xavier doesn't necessarily need to be ranked above them, but they have a better record and ran them out of the gym in their head to head.
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What I don't get is how Oklahoma can be ranked in the top 10 and Xavier is unranked. Xavier doesn't necessarily need to be ranked above them, but they have a better record and ran them out of the gym in their head to head.
Apparently you haven't paid any attention to what Oklahoma did in January.
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Apparently you haven't paid any attention to what Oklahoma did in January.
I have. Like I said, I don’t think they need to be ahead of Oklahoma. But I think a team that is 11-2 and blew the doors off of Oklahoma should probably be ranked. There are teams with 6 losses that are ranked.
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I have. Like I said, I don’t think they need to be ahead of Oklahoma. But I think a team that is 11-2 and blew the doors off of Oklahoma should probably be ranked. There are teams with 6 losses that are ranked.
I mean, that's their only win of any consequence, though, and Oklahoma wasn't regarded then the way they are now, so that win from almost 2 months ago doesn't carry the weight it would if it happened today. Just the way the voting systems work.
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If the tourney started today, I think this is a 4-bid league.
Agree.
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Big East NET Rankings as of games of February 1, 2021
New Old
6 7 Villanova
26 27 Creighton
35 34 Xavier
46 46 UConn
57 58 Seton Hall
73 72 Providence
85 83 St. John's
93 93 Marquette
128 127 Georgetown
135 133 Butler
164 163 DePaul
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Big East NET Rankings as of games of February 1, 2021
New Old
93 93 Marquette
New season goal: finish ahead of Army (89)
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Big East NET Rankings as of games of February 2, 2021
New Old
6 6 Villanova
24 26 Creighton
34 35 Xavier
46 46 UConn
57 57 Seton Hall
75 73 Providence
82 85 St. John's
93 93 Marquette
129 128 Georgetown
131 135 Butler
167 164 DePaul
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New season goal: finish ahead of Army (89)
The 2nd goal is to qualify for the VEGAS 16, baby.
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Big East NET Rankings as of games of February 2, 2021
New Old
6 6 Villanova
24 26 Creighton
34 35 Xavier
46 46 UConn
57 57 Seton Hall
75 73 Providence
82 85 St. John's
93 93 Marquette
129 128 Georgetown
131 135 Butler
167 164 DePaul
Man, that Butler win really moved the needle.
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Man, that Butler win really moved the needle.
The entire time in the last 10 minutes all I could think about is how MU would blow that big lead and cost itself 4/5 spots in the NET, and sure enough.
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Big East NET rankings as of games of February 3,2021
New Old
11 6 Villanova
33 34 Xavier
34 24 Creighton
45 46 UConn
50 57 Seton Hall
68 82 St. John's
86 75 Providence
97 93 Marquette
110 129 Georgetown
131 131 Butler
167 167 DePaul
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Not good. Headed wrong direction.
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Does Wojo get a gold star and a bonus for a perfect 100 score?
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Big East NET rankings as of games of February 3,2021
New Old
11 6 Villanova
33 34 Xavier
34 24 Creighton
45 46 UConn
50 57 Seton Hall
68 82 St. John's
86 75 Providence
97 93 Marquette
110 129 Georgetown
131 131 Butler
167 167 DePaul
Apologies to Paul Simon: “Slip sliding away”
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14 spot jump for the johnnies for beating Nova, 19 spot jump for Hoyas beating Creighton, both with heavy margins.
So...
MU beats Creighton and jumps up 8-10 spots. MU beats Bova and jumps up 15ish spots (both depending on margin of course).
Move from the mid 90s to the 70ish range in half a week. Tack on another 3/4 wins (at the very least 4 if Gtown gets added back) and finish in the 55-65 range in NET to earn a bid with a sweat. The computer numbers still won’t be lock status but the 4 quality wins (UW, CUx2, Nova) should be enough to get MU in.
This is pretty much the best scenario, and only “feeling relatively comfortable” scenario I see remaining. Splitting the next two and finishing 5-0 or 6-0 would likely do it too (11-8 or 12-8 in conference) or splitting and finishing with 1 additional loss at 10-9 or 11-9 would probably mean squarely on the bubble.
Lose both and should be curtains. All of the above doesn’t take into account the BET, which is probably no lock with regards to even happening.
Disclaimer 1A: all of the above is crazy talk for nojos, or perhaps even a majority of the board.
Disclaimer 1B: if brew disagrees listen to him
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14 spot jump for the johnnies for beating Nova, 19 spot jump for Hoyas beating Creighton, both with heavy margins.
So...
MU beats Creighton and jumps up 8-10 spots. MU beats Bova and jumps up 15ish spots (both depending on margin of course).
Move from the mid 90s to the 70ish range in half a week. Tack on another 3/4 wins (at the very least 4 if Gtown gets added back) and finish in the 55-65 range in NET to earn a bid with a sweat. The computer numbers still won’t be lock status but the 4 quality wins (UW, CUx2, Nova) should be enough to get MU in.
This is pretty much the best scenario, and only “feeling relatively comfortable” scenario I see remaining. Splitting the next two and finishing 5-0 or 6-0 would likely do it too (11-8 or 12-8 in conference) or splitting and finishing with 1 additional loss at 10-9 or 11-9 would probably mean squarely on the bubble.
Lose both and should be curtains. All of the above doesn’t take into account the BET, which is probably no lock with regards to even happening.
Disclaimer 1A: all of the above is crazy talk for nojos, or perhaps even a majority of the board.
Disclaimer 1B: if brew disagrees listen to him
Ten Big East wins will get us in the tournament .
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14 spot jump for the johnnies for beating Nova, 19 spot jump for Hoyas beating Creighton, both with heavy margins.
So...
MU beats Creighton and jumps up 8-10 spots. MU beats Bova and jumps up 15ish spots (both depending on margin of course).
Move from the mid 90s to the 70ish range in half a week. Tack on another 3/4 wins (at the very least 4 if Gtown gets added back) and finish in the 55-65 range in NET to earn a bid with a sweat. The computer numbers still won’t be lock status but the 4 quality wins (UW, CUx2, Nova) should be enough to get MU in.
This is pretty much the best scenario, and only “feeling relatively comfortable” scenario I see remaining. Splitting the next two and finishing 5-0 or 6-0 would likely do it too (11-8 or 12-8 in conference) or splitting and finishing with 1 additional loss at 10-9 or 11-9 would probably mean squarely on the bubble.
Lose both and should be curtains. All of the above doesn’t take into account the BET, which is probably no lock with regards to even happening.
Disclaimer 1A: all of the above is crazy talk for nojos, or perhaps even a majority of the board.
Disclaimer 1B: if brew disagrees listen to him
If we beat Creighton and 'Nova, we'll still probably need to go 3-2 to feel comfortable. If we finish 13-12, I'm just not sure that is a good enough record. It might be enough top of the resume quality, as it would be a similar resume to Maryland who I (spoiler) will have in the field tomorrow morning. I really think there's a point where the record just isn't good enough, no matter the quality of wins at the top of the resume (Crean's 2017 Indiana team is a great example). I feel like in a shortened season, +3 in the win column is where we need to be. Maybe +2 if we have a ton of Q1 wins (6+).
At this point, Marquette is 10+ spots away from the field, in my opinion. 9-9 just isn't good enough, especially with DePaul slipping back to Q4. Our 1-5 record in Q2 is really what's killing us. If that was just 3-3 we'd be in, but those are some big results.
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Big East NET rankings as of games of February 4, 2021
New Old
12 11 Villanova
34 34 Creighton
35 33 Xavier
43 45 UConn
48 50 Seton Hall
67 68 St. John's
87 86 Providence
98 97 Marquette
111 110 Georgetown
131 131 Butler
166 167 DePaul
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I'd like to see the S-Curve for the Vegas 16.
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I'd like to see the S-Curve for the Vegas 16.
They use the Famous Seneca Curve. The S loops are a bit flatter.
(https://i.insider.com/4e5e2ee5eab8ea814e000042?width=600&format=jpeg&auto=webp)
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Big East NET rankings as of games of February 5,2021
New Old
12 12 Villanova
34 34 Creighton
35 35 Xavier
43 43 UConn
49 48 Seton Hall
67 67 St. John's
85 87 Providence
99 98 Marquette
112 111 Georgetown
133 131 Butler
165 166 DePaul
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Big East NET rankings as of games of February 5,2021
New Old
12 12 Villanova
34 34 Creighton
35 35 Xavier
43 43 UConn
49 48 Seton Hall
67 67 St. John's
85 87 Providence
99 98 Marquette
112 111 Georgetown
133 131 Butler
165 166 DePaul
Ugh!
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Every day we creep one spot closer to triple digits.
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Every day we creep one spot closer to triple digits.
102 this morning
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First time in the NET's young history that we drop into the 100's.
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102 this morning
As if 102 (and falling) isn't sad enough, I think next year will be worse.
As someone who 100% agreed with his last extension, I now truly believe we have seen the high water mark for Wojo and it will be all down hill from here.
Apathy is sinking in for me and my alumni friends. Still fans of MU basketball but not must see games and no optimism about Wojo and the current state of the program.
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First time in the NET's young history that we drop into the 100's.
Stan Johnson first year at LMU, trails MU by only 19 spots at 121.
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Stan Johnson first year at LMU, trails MU by only 19 spots at 121.
Virginia Tech, being under two seasons removed from a Buzz purge, is sitting comfortably with a 14-4 record and a top-40 NET ranking. Their head coach came into a situation where each of the recruits followed Buzz to A&M and the program lost its top-6 contributors from the year before. Last year, they still managed to go 16-16 (MU went 13-19 in Wojo's first year).
I bring this up because for the past few years, many posters argued that Wojo's first season should not count towards his resume at MU. Why is it that other programs, like Stan at LMU, or Mike Young at VT, can go into a program and get the team to be competitive from day one? Wojo's first season should have been considered a red flag, as many other examples have had.
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Virginia Tech, being under two seasons removed from a Buzz purge, is sitting comfortably with a 14-4 record and a top-40 NET ranking. Their head coach came into a situation where each of the recruits followed Buzz to A&M and the program lost its top-6 contributors from the year before. Last year, they still managed to go 16-16 (MU went 13-19 in Wojo's first year).
I bring this up because for the past few years, many posters argued that Wojo's first season should not count towards his resume at MU. Why is it that other programs, like Stan at LMU, or Mike Young at VT, can go into a program and get the team to be competitive from day one? Wojo's first season should have been considered a red flag, as many other examples have had.
I agree but I think this a moot point now. Regardless of thoughts on Wojo's first season, the consensus is that Wojo is not a very good coach.
MU and BigEast level teams need very good or great coaches. Classy people and good coaching are best for mid-major programs.
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102 this morning
MU officially has a fever.
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Virginia Tech, being under two seasons removed from a Buzz purge, is sitting comfortably with a 14-4 record and a top-40 NET ranking. Their head coach came into a situation where each of the recruits followed Buzz to A&M and the program lost its top-6 contributors from the year before. Last year, they still managed to go 16-16 (MU went 13-19 in Wojo's first year).
I bring this up because for the past few years, many posters argued that Wojo's first season should not count towards his resume at MU. Why is it that other programs, like Stan at LMU, or Mike Young at VT, can go into a program and get the team to be competitive from day one? Wojo's first season should have been considered a red flag, as many other examples have had.
Rebuilding in college basketball takes one or two recruiting classes. Longer than that and questions should be asked of how you’re cultivating your talent once they arrive on campus.
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Virginia Tech, being under two seasons removed from a Buzz purge, is sitting comfortably with a 14-4 record and a top-40 NET ranking. Their head coach came into a situation where each of the recruits followed Buzz to A&M and the program lost its top-6 contributors from the year before. Last year, they still managed to go 16-16 (MU went 13-19 in Wojo's first year).
I bring this up because for the past few years, many posters argued that Wojo's first season should not count towards his resume at MU. Why is it that other programs, like Stan at LMU, or Mike Young at VT, can go into a program and get the team to be competitive from day one? Wojo's first season should have been considered a red flag, as many other examples have had.
Wojo said in his first press conference that “this is not a patch job.” So, what he does in his first offseason is bring in zero of his own players with the exception of a grad transfer Carlino who played the most minutes on the team and took the most shots only to be gone next year. The following year they scheduled so poorly that even a 20 win big east team couldn’t sniff the NIT bubble. He was a massive failure in years one and two.
Also, in my opinion, he got very lucky with the Reinhardt “patch job” as he was really the difference in squeaking in the NCAA in year three.
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MU officially has a fever.
;D
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MU officially has a fever.
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Virginia Tech, being under two seasons removed from a Buzz purge, is sitting comfortably with a 14-4 record and a top-40 NET ranking. Their head coach came into a situation where each of the recruits followed Buzz to A&M and the program lost its top-6 contributors from the year before. Last year, they still managed to go 16-16 (MU went 13-19 in Wojo's first year).
I bring this up because for the past few years, many posters argued that Wojo's first season should not count towards his resume at MU. Why is it that other programs, like Stan at LMU, or Mike Young at VT, can go into a program and get the team to be competitive from day one? Wojo's first season should have been considered a red flag, as many other examples have had.
Those of us who were critical of Wojo a few years after he started were attacked for "not giving him enough time to build his program." There have been several examples like the one you provided where new coaches have turned things around at their school quickly. There's simply no defense of Wojo right now.
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Wojo said in his first press conference that “this is not a patch job.” So, what he does in his first offseason is bring in zero of his own players with the exception of a grad transfer Carlino who played the most minutes on the team and took the most shots only to be gone next year. The following year they scheduled so poorly that even a 20 win big east team couldn’t sniff the NIT bubble. He was a massive failure in years one and two.
Also, in my opinion, he got very lucky with the Reinhardt “patch job” as he was really the difference in squeaking in the NCAA in year three.
Was the schedule his fault in year 2? I thought the AD scheduled that in advance by a few years
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Was the schedule his fault in year 2? I thought the AD scheduled that in advance by a few years
The home-and-homes and exempt tournies are planned in advance, but the guarantee games are usually scheduled in the early parts of the year. Sometimes during the season, but often in the first couple months after it.
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Big East NET Rankings as of Games of February 6,2021
New Old
11 12 Villanova
33 34 Creighton
34 35 Xavier
46 49 Seton Hall
55 43 UConn
65 67 St. John's
94 85 Providence
102 99 Marquette
113 112 Georgetown
132 133 Butler
174 165 DePaul
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Virginia Tech, being under two seasons removed from a Buzz purge, is sitting comfortably with a 14-4 record and a top-40 NET ranking. Their head coach came into a situation where each of the recruits followed Buzz to A&M and the program lost its top-6 contributors from the year before. Last year, they still managed to go 16-16 (MU went 13-19 in Wojo's first year).
I bring this up because for the past few years, many posters argued that Wojo's first season should not count towards his resume at MU. Why is it that other programs, like Stan at LMU, or Mike Young at VT, can go into a program and get the team to be competitive from day one? Wojo's first season should have been considered a red flag, as many other examples have had.
Virginia Tech wasn't competitive from Day 1 with the new coach. They sucked last season. He is getting things going in season 2 faster than Wojo did. We will see if it lasts. History suggests it won't.
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Big East NET Rankings as of games of February 7, 2021
New Old
11 11 Villanova
31 33 Creighton
33 34 Xavier
45 46 Seton Hall
53 55 UConn
63 65 St. John's
94 94 Providence
102 102 Marquette
112 113 Georgetown
131 132 Butler
171 174 DePaul
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Big East Poll Rankings February 8, 2021
AP
5. Nova
19. Creighton
Others receiving votes
X, St.John’s
Coaches
4. Nova
17. Creighton
Others Receiving Votes
X, Seton Hall
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Crazy how many Big Ten teams are ranked and have high NET rankings when they have (by my count, which admittedly could be wrong) only two non-conference Q1 victories in the entire conference. Meanwhile, Big East in this down year has five Q1 non-conference wins with 20% less teams. Also for reference, B12 is 8 total Q1 non-con wins.
I feel that some of these analytics and the hype in the AP poll is a self fulfilling prophecy. They start out with a perception of being good (or getting fed strong pre-season metrics), don't play much strong competition and chew up weak opponents, and voila! the numbers show how great they are.
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Big East NET rankings as of games of February 8,2021
New Old
11 11 Villanova
32 31 Creighton
33 33 Xavier
45 45 Seton Hall
54 53 UConn
64 63 St. John’s
93 94 Providence
101 102 Marquette
110 112 Georgetown
131 131 Butler
170 171 DePaul
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Moved up to 101. We're rollin' now!
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big stretch for St. John's if the conference is going to get a sixth team into the tourney. At Butler then home against X and DePaul. 3-0 in that stretch should put them solidly in.
It will be interesting to see if the UConn in Queens game gets rescheduled.
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big stretch for St. John's if the conference is going to get a sixth team into the tourney. At Butler then home against X and DePaul. 3-0 in that stretch should put them solidly in.
It will be interesting to see if the UConn in Queens game gets rescheduled.
Kudos to St. John's. It's pretty staggering that, less than two years into his time there, Mike Anderson has his program ahead of Wojo and Marquette. Just watching their games against us, you can already see the culture he's trying to instill there, as opposed to the playground ball they played under Mullen. They're a fun team to watch and I'll be rooting for them in the tournament, if they make it.
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Kudos to St. John's. It's pretty staggering that, less than two years into his time there, Mike Anderson has his program ahead of Wojo and Marquette. Just watching their games against us, you can already see the culture he's trying to instill there, as opposed to the playground ball they played under Mullen. They're a fun team to watch and I'll be rooting for them in the tournament, if they make it.
Agreed, they are very fun to watch. Alexander and Champagnie will be fun the next couple of years.
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Anderson deserves a lot of props. Champagnie was unranked coming out of high school, I believe Seton Hall was his only other high major offer. Alexander was ranked #254 and a handful of high major offers but none from elite programs. It takes a quality coach to identify talent that no one else is seeing.
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Agree about St. John's. Anderson is doing a fine job there so far.
It took Anderson 3 seasons at Mizzou to get to the NCAAs and 4 seasons at Arkansas to get there. It also should be noted that after his Elite 8 run at Mizzou in 2009, he has won only 3 NCAA tourney games in 11 years, never getting to the second weekend in that span.
Of course, those are 3 more NCAA tourney wins than Wojo has, and Wojo doesn't have the luxury of an E8 run to fall back on.
Despite a pretty solid record at Arkansas, officials there fired him as soon as he had a losing conference record in his 8th season. Said the AD: “We have not sustained a consistent level of success against the most competitive teams in the nation to enable us to compete for SEC and NCAA Championships on an annual basis. That will continue to be the benchmark for our success throughout our athletic program."
Many Scoopers think that should be our standard, too, and I agree. Anderson was fired even though he had gone to 3 NCAATs in 4 years - as was the case for Wojo entering this year (assuming a bid last year). It's time for Wojo to go.
Anderson did lose to Wojo in this season's first meeting and then barely beat Wojo in the rematch. The loss was the only one for StJ in the last month, and the win was StJ's most narrow win in that span. So it's not as though he has dominated Wojo.
From afar, not following St. John's as intently as I do Marquette, I like the way Anderson coaches, and I'd trade Wojo for him in a heartbeat. But calling Anderson an "elite" coach would seem a stretch, and we'll see how well he does at St. John's going forward.
As for St. John's players ...
Posh will be a pain in our posterior for 3 more years. Champagnie ... it's hard to believe he will stay in college past next season. Indeed, his twin brother is said to be likely to leave Pitt after this season, and there has been more than a little speculation that Julian might go pro too.
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Agree about St. John's. Anderson is doing a fine job there so far.
It took Anderson 3 seasons at Mizzou to get to the NCAAs and 4 seasons at Arkansas to get there. It also should be noted that after his Elite 8 run at Mizzou in 2009, he has won only 3 NCAA tourney games in 11 years, never getting to the second weekend in that span.
Of course, those are 3 more NCAA tourney wins than Wojo has, and Wojo doesn't have the luxury of an E8 run to fall back on.
Despite a pretty solid record at Arkansas, officials there fired him as soon as he had a losing conference record in his 8th season. Said the AD: “We have not sustained a consistent level of success against the most competitive teams in the nation to enable us to compete for SEC and NCAA Championships on an annual basis. That will continue to be the benchmark for our success throughout our athletic program."
Many Scoopers think that should be our standard, too, and I agree. Anderson was fired even though he had gone to 3 NCAATs in 4 years - as was the case for Wojo entering this year (assuming a bid last year). It's time for Wojo to go.
Anderson did lose to Wojo in this season's first meeting and then barely beat Wojo in the rematch. The loss was the only one for StJ in the last month, and the win was StJ's most narrow win in that span. So it's not as though he has dominated Wojo.
From afar, not following St. John's as intently as I do Marquette, I like the way Anderson coaches, and I'd trade Wojo for him in a heartbeat. But calling Anderson an "elite" coach would seem a stretch, and we'll see how well he does at St. John's going forward.
As for St. John's players ...
Posh will be a pain in our posterior for 3 more years. Champagnie ... it's hard to believe he will stay in college past next season. Indeed, his twin brother is said to be likely to leave Pitt after this season, and there has been more than a little speculation that Julian might go pro too.
Unless I missed it, I don't think anyone called Anderson an "elite" coach, though I agree with you that he isn't one. However, if St. John's makes it this year, it will be the fourth program he's taken to the NCAAT. At each of his three previous stops, he's guided his team to the Tournament three times. That's really good consistency, and shows that no matter where he goes, he'll be able to build a winner. That's the type of coach you want to look for when you're a program that can't just hire whoever it wants. St. John's was lucky to get him; he's probably better than they deserved.
And I was thinking the same thing about Champagnie. If he has a really good string of games down the stretch this year, he might go pro and *might* be a second round pick. It would suck for St. John's and the conference as a whole, but that's just how it is nowadays. With few exceptions, guys don't stick around anymore.
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Unless I missed it, I don't think anyone called Anderson an "elite" coach, though I agree with you that he isn't one. However, if St. John's makes it this year, it will be the fourth program he's taken to the NCAAT. At each of his three previous stops, he's guided his team to the Tournament three times. That's really good consistency, and shows that no matter where he goes, he'll be able to build a winner. That's the type of coach you want to look for when you're a program that can't just hire whoever it wants. St. John's was lucky to get him; he's probably better than they deserved.
And I was thinking the same thing about Champagnie. If he has a really good string of games down the stretch this year, he might go pro and *might* be a second round pick. It would suck for St. John's and the conference as a whole, but that's just how it is nowadays. With few exceptions, guys don't stick around anymore.
Fair enough. Anderson certainly has been a good coach, and St. John’s definitely is fortunate that he fell in their lap.
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Anderson is 1 of only 4 current coaches with at least 15 years as a head coach to never have a losing record.
I love the intensity St. John's is playing with under his leadership.
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Anderson deserves a lot of props. Champagnie was unranked coming out of high school, I believe Seton Hall was his only other high major offer. Alexander was ranked #254 and a handful of high major offers but none from elite programs. It takes a quality coach to identify talent that no one else is seeing.
Posh is perfect for Anderson's system, especially defensively.
Anderson is doing a good job keeping NYC area kids home and identifying under the radar guys. Addae-Wusu was unranked and has become a significant contributor. Two Long Island kids signed for next year too. SJU will rarely, if ever get the elite NYC kids, but if Anderson can keep the 3 and occasional 4 star kids home who fit into his system he'll have them in the upper half of the conference consistently.
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Anderson is 1 of only 4 current coaches with at least 15 years as a head coach to never have a losing record.
I love the intensity St. John's is playing with under his leadership.
I didn't know that about his record. Very impressive.
He did have losing conference records, two each at Mizzou and Arkansas. His last one got him fired.
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If I remember right, Anderson has brought in a couple of Juco players. This made me think of Buzz.
What stood out to me about St. John's and DePaul is how much quicker they were than MU.
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Fair enough. Anderson certainly has been a good coach, and St. John’s definitely is fortunate that he fell in their lap.
Considering what a sh**show that hiring process was, they are incredibly fortunate. Bobby Hurley, Porter Moser, Ryan Odom, and Tim Cluess all turned them down. They were considering Frank Haith and Paul Hewitt, neither of whom have done anything impressive of late. It's like they slipped and fell ass-backwards into a pile of $20 bills.
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Considering what a sh**show that hiring process was, they are incredibly fortunate. Bobby Hurley, Porter Moser, Ryan Odom, and Tim Cluess all turned them down. They were considering Frank Haith and Paul Hewitt, neither of whom have done anything impressive of late. It's like they slipped and fell ass-backwards into a pile of $20 bills.
Yep. Sometimes it’s better to be lucky than good. We will need a little luck on our next hire.
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Wojo was the worst coach in the history of mankind because MU blew a lead to Butler but hung on to win.
Anderson just blew a lead to Butler and lost.
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Wojo was the worst coach in the history of mankind because MU blew a lead to Butler but hung on to win.
Anderson just blew a lead to Butler and lost.
who says worst coach in history
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Big East NET rankings as of games of February 9, 2021
New Old
11 11 Villanova
29 32 Creighton
33 33 Xavier
45 45 Seton Hall
51 54 UConn
70 64 St. John's
93 93 Providence
101 101 Marquette
115 110 Georgetown
123 131 Butler
168 170 DePaul
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Wojo was the worst coach in the history of mankind because MU blew a lead to Butler but hung on to win.
Anderson just blew a lead to Butler and lost.
EXTEND WOJO DAMNIT!
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Big East NET Ranking as of games of February 10, 2021
New Old
9 11 Villanova
29 29 Creighton
32 33 Xavier
46 45 Seton Hall
62 51 UConn
71 70 St. John's
85 93 Providence
108 101 Marquette
111 115 Georgetown
124 123 Butler
172 168 DePaul
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Big East NET Ranking as of games of February 10, 2021
New Old
9 11 Villanova
29 29 Creighton
32 33 Xavier
46 45 Seton Hall
62 51 UConn
71 70 St. John's
85 93 Providence
108 101 Marquette
111 115 Georgetown
124 123 Butler
172 168 DePaul
Where I can send my donation check?
Arby’s is delicious 🤤
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New season goal: finish ahead of Army (89)
Army holding steady at 89. MU only 19 spots back. we got this
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Interesting Article on Xavier difficulty finding games. Also one of their games with DePaul was postponed because of asymmetrical Covid protocal rules that DePaul felt they had to enforce.
https://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports/college/xavier/xaviersports/2021/02/10/xavier-basketball-coach-travis-steele-talks-adding-games/4444223001/
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Big East NET rankings as of games of February 11,2021
New Old
9 9 Villanova
29 29 Creighton
33 32 Xavier
44 46 Seton Hall
64 62 UConn
71 71 St. John's
86 85 Providence
108 108 Marquette
110 111 Georgetown
124 124 Butler
173 172 DePaul
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Klosin' inn on Georgetown and Butler, hey?
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Big East NET rankings as of games of February 12,2021
New Old
9 9 Villanova
29 29 Creighton
33 33 Xavier
44 44 Seton Hall
64 64 UConn
71 71 St. John's
87 86 Providence
108 108 Marquette
110 110 Georgetown
124 124 Butler
175 173 DePaul
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Big East NET rankings as of games of February 13, 2021
New Old
13 9 Villanova
22 29 Creighton
39 33 Xavier
42 44 Seton Hall
58 64 UConn
73 71 St. John's
81 87 Providence
104 110 Georgetown
110 108 Marquette
133 124 Butler
185 175 DePaul
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Pretty sure wee kan reech Butler status, aina?
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This is a depressing thread, kind of. On the one hand, Arby's. On the other, if MU can keep it below 150, they'll qualify for the Vegas 16.
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This is a depressing thread especially when you consider next year will be worse. At least a coaching change would give hope.
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This is a depressing thread especially when you consider next year will be worse. At least a coaching change would give hope.
I don't think next year would be worse, but it won't be significantly better.
Hoping we don't have to find out!
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Big East NET rankings as of games of February 14, 2021
New Old
13 13 Villanova
22 22 Creighton
40 39 Xavier
44 42 Seton Hall
58 58 UConn
73 73 St. John's
81 81 Providence
105 104 Georgetown
109 110 Marquette
133 133 Butler
184 185 DePaul
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Big East NET rankings as of games of February 14, 2021
New Old
13 13 Villanova
22 22 Creighton
40 39 Xavier
44 42 Seton Hall
58 58 UConn
73 73 St. John's
81 81 Providence
105 104 Georgetown
109 110 Marquette
133 133 Butler
184 185 DePaul
Nobody:
Lovell: progress
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Big East NET Rankings as of games of February 15, 2021
New Old
13 13 Villanova
23 22 Creighton
40 40 Xavier
45 44 Seton Hall
59 58 UConn
73 73 St. John's
82 81 Providence
104 105 Georgetown
107 109 Marquette
132 133 Butler
183 184 DePaul
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Big East NET Rankings as of games of February 15, 2021
New Old
13 13 Villanova
23 22 Creighton
40 40 Xavier
45 44 Seton Hall
59 58 UConn
73 73 St. John's
82 81 Providence
104 105 Georgetown
107 109 Marquette
132 133 Butler
183 184 DePaul
The trend is Wojo’s friend. Need to get that extension signed ASAP!
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Big East is hot trash this year
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Big East is hot trash this year
Truth
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I doubt (for a number of reasons) that we get Moser but for those who still think he is not the real deal, please note that Loyola's NET ranking is 10.
Nah. Not good enough!
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I doubt (for a number of reasons) that we get Moser but for those who still think he is not the real deal, please note that Loyola's NET ranking is 10.
Nah. Not good enough!
And yet if you listen to guys like Norlander and Parish, they're still debating (though agree that they would get in) whether Loyola would get into the NCAA Tournament if they don't win their conference tournament.
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And yet if you listen to guys like Norlander and Parish, they're still debating (though agree that they would get in) whether Loyola would get into the NCAA Tournament if they don't win their conference tournament.
And quite frankly, that is a problem. Loyola absolutely is a tournament team this year. There are not 34 at-large teams or whatever the number is now, better than them
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And yet if you listen to guys like Norlander and Parish, they're still debating (though agree that they would get in) whether Loyola would get into the NCAA Tournament if they don't win their conference tournament.
They'll get in bc the Ivy League is not playing so that opens up a bunch of spots.
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And quite frankly, that is a problem. Loyola absolutely is a tournament team this year. There are not 34 at-large teams or whatever the number is now, better than them
37 this year. And while you may be right, their resume is almost entirely built of beating teams ranked 100 or worse badly. Their only top-100 kenpom wins are North Texas and this past weekend over Drake, two teams that are similarly propped up by beating sub-100 teams badly. Their only games against NCAA caliber competition was a big loss to Wisconsin & a close loss to a Richmond team that's on the wrong side of the bubble.
I'm generally an advocate for more mid-majors, but one thing I've learned to count on from years of brackets is the Selection Committee will take leftover l mediocre high-major resumes over gaudy but insubstantial mid-majors every chance they get. I suspect LUC's NET is just too good to leave out, but if they take another loss to a team that isn't Drake, I could easily see them being left out in favor of a Maryland or UConn.
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They'll get in bc the Ivy League is not playing so that opens up a bunch of spots.
It opens up one spot.
But I agree they will get in.
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It opens up one spot.
But I agree they will get in.
I think that post was a reference to the “You need 68 teams for a 68 team tournament, so you who picking over Marquette, huh?” thread from a while back.
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I think that post was a reference to the “You need 68 teams for a 68 team tournament, so you who picking over Marquette, huh?” thread from a while back.
You cut off part of the quote. But that's no surprise.
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37 this year. And while you may be right, their resume is almost entirely built of beating teams ranked 100 or worse badly. Their only top-100 kenpom wins are North Texas and this past weekend over Drake, two teams that are similarly propped up by beating sub-100 teams badly. Their only games against NCAA caliber competition was a big loss to Wisconsin & a close loss to a Richmond team that's on the wrong side of the bubble.
I'm generally an advocate for more mid-majors, but one thing I've learned to count on from years of brackets is the Selection Committee will take leftover l mediocre high-major resumes over gaudy but insubstantial mid-majors every chance they get. I suspect LUC's NET is just too good to leave out, but if they take another loss to a team that isn't Drake, I could easily see them being left out in favor of a Maryland or UConn.
I know, brew. I don’t agree with it, but I know it. The system is setup to reward mediocre major conference teams and not reward dominant mid-majors.
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Do 11 teams make the BE tournament, or does last place get left at home? Asking for a friend.
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Do 11 teams make the BE tournament, or does last place get left at home? Asking for a friend.
Everyone is in. 6 plays 11, 7 plays 10, 8 plays 9 on Wednesday.
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Everyone is in. 6 plays 11, 7 plays 10, 8 plays 9 on Wednesday.
Is this confirmed? I've looked everywhere, including the Big East website. Assuming you're correct but have not seen anything to verify it.
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Does any major conference keep schools home? Why would they allow 10 schools, but not 11?
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Just for kicks, I put in our schedule on Teamcast, if we win out, we are still the 24th team on the bubble. Big East Tournament title or bust.
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Just for kicks, I put in our schedule on Teamcast, if we win out, we are still the 24th team on the bubble. Big East Tournament title or bust.
What's more likely? A BET tournament championship or Covid knocking out 24 teams?
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I still think conference tournaments are a dumb idea this year. With no ticket revenue, it seems like it’s a waste of time and money and an unnecessary risk for the schools to fly everyone to one place and risk exposure. But I guess they have tv contracts in place, which is reason enough.
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But I guess they have tv contracts in place, which is reason enough.
You responded to your own objection with the correct answer.
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Big East NET Rankings as of games of February 16, 2021
New Old
12 13 Villanova
23 23 Creighton
41 45 Seton Hall
49 40 Xavier
54 59 UConn
66 73 St. John's
82 82 Providence
103 104 Georgetown
108 107 Marquette
131 132 Butler
180 183 DePaul
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Is this confirmed? I've looked everywhere, including the Big East website. Assuming you're correct but have not seen anything to verify it.
Same - which is why I asked.
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Big East NET Rankings as of games of February 17, 2021
New Old
13 12 Villanova
23 23 Creighton
44 41 Seton Hall
50 49 Xavier
52 54 UConn
67 66 St. John's
83 82 Providence
99 108 Marquette
105 103 Georgetown
143 131 Butler
179 180 DePaul
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Big East NET Rankings as of games of February 17, 2021
New Old
13 12 Villanova
23 23 Creighton
44 41 Seton Hall
50 49 Xavier
52 54 UConn
67 66 St. John's
83 82 Providence
99 108 Marquette
105 103 Georgetown
143 131 Butler
179 180 DePaul
WE DID IT!!!!!
EXTENSIONS ALL AROUND!!!!
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WE DID IT!!!!!
EXTENSIONS ALL AROUND!!!!
Woooo! Top 100!
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Big East NET Rankings as of games of February 17, 2021
New Old
13 12 Villanova
23 23 Creighton
44 41 Seton Hall
50 49 Xavier
52 54 UConn
67 66 St. John's
83 82 Providence
99 108 Marquette
105 103 Georgetown
143 131 Butler
179 180 DePaul
Could have been 94 without the walk ons as the NET is very score sensitive but Agree Top 100 we made it woop woop extensions
all around! This is awesome lol
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Big East NET Rankings as of games of February 18, 2021
New Old
12 13 Villanova
23 23 Creighton
46 44 Seton Hall
49 50 Xavier
52 52 UConn
67 67 St. John's
82 83 Providence
100 99 Marquette
106 105 Georgetown
142 143 Butler
178 179 DePaul
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100 is usually an A+ right?
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Big East NET Rankings as of Games of February 19, 2021
New Old
12 12 Villanova
23 23 Creighton
45 46 Seton Hall
48 49 Xavier
52 52 UConn
68 67 St. John's
84 82 Providence
99 100 Marquette
107 106 Georgetown
142 142 Butler
178 178 DePaul
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Big East NET rankings as of games of February 20,2021
New Old
10 12 Villanova
24 23 Creighton
49 45 Seton Hall
50 48 Xavier
54 52 UConn
76 68 St. John's
85 84 Providence
98 107 Georgetown
100 99 Marquette
139 142 Butler
159 178 DePaul
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UNC jumped up 20 spots to #33 after slaughtering Louisville by almost 50 yesterday. Should be a great opportunity for our team Wednesday.
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Big East NET Rankings as of games of February 21, 2021
New Old
10 10 Villanova
25 24 Creighton
49 49 Seton Hall
50 50 Xavier
54 54 UConn
75 76 St. John's
88 85 Providence
96 98 Georgetown
100 100 Marquette
143 139 Butler
159 159 DePaul
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DePaul moved back to Q3 loss status. Good for MU's microscopic hopes.
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Anyone know what a reasonable guess at our ranking would be if we beat UNC Wednesday?
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Big East Poll Rankings as of February 22,2021
AP
8. Villanova
13. Creighton
Coaches
6. Villanova
11. Creighton
Others Receiving Votes
U Conn Seton Hall
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Anyone know what a reasonable guess at our ranking would be if we beat UNC Wednesday?
I think we’d jump to high 70s low 80s with two Ws this week. While they’re both attainable wins, I think there’s very little chance that actually happens. But may as well enjoy the sliver of hope while it lasts. Opening Day still 5 weeks away!
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Anyone know what a reasonable guess at our ranking would be if we beat UNC Wednesday?
It depends. Squeak out a 1 point win? Maybe a 5-10 spot jump. Come out of nowhere and beat them down by 20? Could be 20+ spot jump.
The other thing to keep in mind is that we only know NET rankings, we don't actually know what our NET score is since the formula hasn't been released and I don't believe anyone has reverse engineered it yet. Theoretically, there could be 40 teams ahead of us tied for 60th and one win could cause a massive jump. Or there could be a massive gap between us and #99 and win doesn't even move us 1 spot in the rankings.
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Big East NET Rankings as of games of February 22, 2021
New Old
10 10 Villanova
25 25 Creighton
50 50 Xavier
51 49 Seton Hall
55 54 UConn
76 75 St. John's
90 88 Providence
97 96 Georgetown
100 100 Marquette
142 143 Butler
160 159 DePaul
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Marquette’s BPI is 82 today
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Does MU scheduling UNC and losing by double digits hurt all the other Big East teams Net ranking?
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Does MU scheduling UNC and losing by double digits hurt all the other Big East teams Net ranking?
Yes. Keep it to 7-8 or better and it probably helps. 9-10 or worse and it hurts. The amount it hurts other teams depends on how bad the loss is and how many times we play them.
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Big East NET Rankings as of games of February 23,2021
New Old
10 10 Villanova
24 25 Creighton
46 55 UConn
51 51 Seton Hall
52 50 Xavier
79 76 St. John's
88 90 Providence
100 100 Marquette
103 97 Georgetown
143 142 Butler
159 160 DePaul
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NET Guesses I will go with 89
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I’ll go with 86
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83
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Big East NET Rankings as of games of February 24, 2021
New Old
8 10 Villanova
20 24 Creighton
41 46 UConn
54 51 Seton Hall
59 52 Xavier
77 79 St. John's
80 88 Providence
86 100 Marquette
99 103 Georgetown
130 143 Butler
161 159 DePaul
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I’ll go with 86
Chicken Dinner!
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Just keep winning.
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DePaul back down to Q4 status.
Best thing for the conference would be for St. John's, Providence, Marquette, and DePaul to keep winning.
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DePaul back down to Q4 status.
Best thing for the conference would be for St. John's, Providence, Marquette, and DePaul to keep winning.
Is that also the best thing for us? Seems like we're competing with them to create an extra bid for the conference
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I’ll go with 86
Nice do You have a NET computer 👍
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I think the best thing in conference for MU, outside of the obvious of winning the next three and finishing 9-10 in conference, would be to jump ahead of Georgetown, Butler, Providence, St John’s, and X in the standings before the BET.
That would leave Marquette in the 5th seed behind Nova, CU, SH, UConn. At the end of the day options matter, just like numbers do, and I don’t think Marquette will even be in the at large convo with a 6 seed or lower in a 4/5 bid conference.
I also still find it hard to believe that the BE doesn’t get at the very least 4 bids, and MUs win last night helped with that. I think the easiest to “fall off” is X because of so few games played. They are currently .500 with CU, Gtown and MU left. If they split the next two and Marquette beats them on the final Matchday to finish off the end of the season winning streak then Marquette definitely jumps ahead of them in the pecking order imo (MU would be 9-10 and have a better winning percentage than 6-7 X and higher seed).
As for Providence and St John’s- they play each other next so one goes to 8-10. St J then plays SH and Providence then plays Nova. I think the best scenario here is that the Friars win the head to head and then hopefully lose to Nova. They can both finish up 9-10 and I have no idea on the tie breakers, both were season splits.
As an aside- Gtown play at DePaul on Saturday. I know this probably seems wild but MU should try to convince them to come up to mke on Sunday. Both would be playing B2b games and Marquette after flying back from the east coast but desperate times call for desperate measures!
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Nice do You have a NET computer 👍
Just having a good scoop week. Maybe I should retire while on top
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I think the best thing in conference for MU, outside of the obvious of winning the next three and finishing 9-10 in conference, would be to jump ahead of Georgetown, Butler, Providence, St John’s, and X in the standings before the BET.
That would leave Marquette in the 5th seed behind Nova, CU, SH, UConn. At the end of the day options matter, just like numbers do, and I don’t think Marquette will even be in the at large convo with a 6 seed or lower in a 4/5 bid conference.
I also still find it hard to believe that the BE doesn’t get at the very least 4 bids, and MUs win last night helped with that. I think the easiest to “fall off” is X because of so few games played. They are currently .500 with CU, Gtown and MU left. If they split the next two and Marquette beats them on the final Matchday to finish off the end of the season winning streak then Marquette definitely jumps ahead of them in the pecking order imo (MU would be 9-10 and have a better winning percentage than 6-7 X and higher seed).
As for Providence and St John’s- they play each other next so one goes to 8-10. St J then plays SH and Providence then plays Nova. I think the best scenario here is that the Friars win the head to head and then hopefully lose to Nova. They can both finish up 9-10 and I have no idea on the tie breakers, both were season splits.
As an aside- Gtown play at DePaul on Saturday. I know this probably seems wild but MU should try to convince them to come up to mke on Sunday. Both would be playing B2b games and Marquette after flying back from the east coast but desperate times call for desperate measures!
I sort of agree with the GTown thing. I mean if Wojo truly thinks they have an outside shot at a bid then he needs to be pressuring everybody and their mother (Scholl, GTown AD, Ewing, Val) to get that game made up. If he doesn't believe we have a shot well then I hope he gets a pink slip.
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I sort of agree with the GTown thing. I mean if Wojo truly thinks they have an outside shot at a bid then he needs to be pressuring everybody and their mother (Scholl, GTown AD, Ewing, Val) to get that game made up. If he doesn't believe we have a shot well then I hope he gets a pink slip.
Does that Georgetown game move the needle any? I don’t think a win moves us up any. The only difference would be a cosmetic one of conference record. I don’t think the committee really looks at that though.
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I sort of agree with the GTown thing. I mean if Wojo truly thinks they have an outside shot at a bid then he needs to be pressuring everybody and their mother (Scholl, GTown AD, Ewing, Val) to get that game made up. If he doesn't believe we have a shot well then I hope he gets a pink slip.
Wojo definitely thinks they have a shot. Honestly, at 9-10 (which on paper is fairly attainable if we can find a win on Saturday), I am not really sure how you leave Marquette out with their wins. They're going to have more Q1 wins than the vast majority of the field. I don't think they play that UNC game if Wojo doesn't think they have a shot. I was hoping Ben Steele was going to ask a question to Wojo last night in the presser about if he thinks they can get themselves back in the convo. Wojo wouldn't have answered it with anything more than platitudes but it would have been interesting.
I also still find it hard to believe that the BE doesn’t get at the very least 4 bids, and MUs win last night helped with that. I think the easiest to “fall off” is X because of so few games played. They are currently .500 with CU, Gtown and MU left. If they split the next two and Marquette beats them on the final Matchday to finish off the end of the season winning streak then Marquette definitely jumps ahead of them in the pecking order imo (MU would be 9-10 and have a better winning percentage than 6-7 X and higher seed).
As an aside- Gtown play at DePaul on Saturday. I know this probably seems wild but MU should try to convince them to come up to mke on Sunday. Both would be playing B2b games and Marquette after flying back from the east coast but desperate times call for desperate measures!
I am not as in tune with the bubble this season as I usually am, but I think the 5 bids is the floor for the Big East. 6 more likely than 4 IMO.
And definitely agreed on the Gtown game. Problem is, Gtown is scheduled to play Xavier at home on Tuesday and Marquette @Depaul on Tuesday. However, Depaul is done after their game with Marquette next Tuesday. It would require some shifting, but the only way this would work is the Marquette/Depaul game gets pushed to Wednesday or Thursday. Gtown's game with X also gets pushed to Thursday. After Gtown plays @Depaul this Saturday, they come to Milwaukee to play MU on Monday.
Marquette:
Sat @ UCONN
Mon vs. Gtown
Wed / THU @ Depaul
Sat v. Xavier
Gtown
Sat @ Depaul
Mon @ Marquette
Wed / Thu vs. X
Sat @ UCONN
Depaul
Sat vs. Gtown
Wed / Thu vs. Marquette
Doable, but a definite gauntlet for Marquette and Gtown with 4 games in 7 days. But no back to backs.
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Does that Georgetown game move the needle any? I don’t think a win moves us up any. The only difference would be a cosmetic one of conference record. I don’t think the committee really looks at that though.
I think I just have that old mindset of get to .500 in the Big East and you're in. Forgot Buzz proved that wrong his last year and Wojo his 4th year.
So never mind.
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Does that Georgetown game move the needle any? I don’t think a win moves us up any. The only difference would be a cosmetic one of conference record. I don’t think the committee really looks at that though.
TRank agrees. https://barttorvik.com/teamcast.php?team=Marquette&year=2021
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TRank agrees. https://barttorvik.com/teamcast.php?team=Marquette&year=2021
So even winning out with or without GTown we're not in. Shame.
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DePaul back down to Q4 status.
Best thing for the conference would be for St. John's, Providence, Marquette, and DePaul to keep winning.
For the conference? Aside from playing each other, St John's plays Seton Hall, Providence plays Villanova, Marquette plays UConn and Xavier, and DePaul...just plays Georgetown. DPU beating Georgetown would be good for us, but any of those other teams winning would likely cost the Big East bids as Seton Hall, UConn, and Xavier are all bubble teams that can't afford losses to teams out of the field, and it's highly unlikely any of the teams you list can get into the at-large conversation.
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TRank agrees. https://barttorvik.com/teamcast.php?team=Marquette&year=2021
I ran the numbers a few years ago and while a fun tool, Teamcast is terrible for predictions.
Adding a win over Georgetown would be very useful if Marquette won out the regular season. It won't move the resume dial, but entering the Big East Tournament at 15-12 would mean needing just one win to guarantee being +3 in the win column. That combined with what would be at least 4-5 Q1 wins would look good on the resume. Overall record matters, which is why Penn State isn't in the mix and teams like Indiana, Minnesota, and Seton Hall are on shaky ground.
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I ran the numbers a few years ago and while a fun tool, Teamcast is terrible for predictions.
I'll take your word for it. Any idea if he's improved it since then?
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I'll take your word for it. Any idea if he's improved it since then?
I'm not sure why it seems tough, but tools like this (or the old RPI Forecast site) struggle to adequately track futures. They often overvalue past results.
My suspicion is predictors like this struggle to account for all the various metrics. It might factor T-Rank & WAB okay, but I imagine it struggles with NET, SOR, kenpom, and others that play more of a role for the committee.
Another problem I suspect is that you are simply projecting W/L results. So forecasting last night's win would've likely expected a 1-point win in the program, and thus factor Marquette 10 points better than expected rather than the 22 points better the result actually produced.
A third problem I suspect is not accounting for the secondary impact of predicted results. Say you project MU to beat UNC, UConn, Xavier, and SHU (in the BET), the model will predict for Marquette. But does it also factor the extra loss for those other teams, losses that a neutral model would predict as wins? If not, that's a big blind spot.
Could be any number of reasons, but after having a lot of fun with those types of predictors early on, I now avoid them like the plague. The magic bullet was when I used one to predict an undefeated season for a Marquette team that was seen as a bubble team early on & the predictor told me that unbeaten season would result in a 4-seed. Made me curious enough to track them more in depth, then swear off them entirely.
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Big East NET rankings as of games of February 25, 2021
New Old
8 8 Villanova
20 20 Creighton
43 41 UConn
53 54 Seton Hall
58 59 Xavier
76 77 St. John's
79 80 Providence
85 86 Marquette
97 99 Georgetown
131 130 Butler
164 161 DePaul
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Marquette’s BPI Ranking is 73 Today and MU’s Kenpom Ranking is 75 Today.
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BIG win at NC on Wed ! ! ! 8-)
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Marquette’s BPI Ranking is 73 Today and MU’s Kenpom Ranking is 75 Today.
Key reversal? Fingers crossed!
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Marquette’s BPI Ranking is 73 Today and MU’s Kenpom Ranking is 75 Today.
Let’s see them rattle off 4-5 more Ws in a row and see where the chips fall. May as well enjoy it while good basketball is being played!
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Big East Net Rankings as of Games of February 26,2021
New Old
8 8 Villanova
18 20 Creighton
42 43 UConn
54 53 Seton Hall
57 58 Xavier
75 76 St. John's
79 79 Providence
87 85 Marquette
97 97 Georgetown
128 131 Butler
163 164 DePaul
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Back up to 4 Q1 wins with St. John's sneaking into the top 75.
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Big East Net Rankings as of games of February 27, 2021
New Old
8 8 Villanova
24 18 Creighton
36 42 UConn
48 57 Xavier
54 54 Seton Hall
73 75 St. John's
78 79 Providence
89 87 Marquette
96 97 Georgetown
131 128 Butler
166 163 DePaul
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10th place in horrid big East. Thought the UNC win was maybe some optimism. Back to having doubts about Depaul game again
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Horrid. ::)
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Big East NET Rankings as of games of February 28, 2021
New Old
11 8 Villanova
23 24 Creighton
36 36 UConn
48 48 Xavier
53 54 Seton Hall
73 73 St. John's
79 78 Providence
88 89 Marquette
96 96 Georgetown
117 131 Butler
166 166 DePaul
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Back in the Elite 88, baby!
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Horrid. ::)
Big East is bad this year, no?
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Big East Poll Rankings March 1, 2021
AP
10. Villanova
14. Creighton
Others Receiving Votes - U Conn
Coaches
9. Villanova
12. Creighton
Others Receiving Votes- U Conn, Xavier
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Big East is bad this year, no?
Its definitely not as good at it has been. Horrid is probably a bit aggressive, tho.
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Big East is bad this year, no?
Horrid is different than bad. Yet, both don't describe the Big East Conference this year or most likely ever.
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Arkansas Pine Bluff losing in OT in conference tourney and Green Bay losing in 1st round in 2OT in conference tournament are not helping Marquette ugh.
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Arkansas Pine Bluff losing in OT in conference tourney and Green Bay losing in 1st round in 2OT in conference tournament are not helping Marquette ugh.
I'm surprised UWGB stayed in it. Baby Bo has had like half of his team transfer in the past week.
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Big East NET rankings as of games of March 1, 2021
New Old
11 11 Villanova
23 23 Creighton
35 36 UConn
50 48 Xavier
53 53 Seton Hall
73 73 St. John's
79 79 Providence
88 88 Marquette
96 96 Georgetown
116 117 Butler
166 166 DePaul
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Arkansas Pine Bluff losing in OT in conference tourney and Green Bay losing in 1st round in 2OT in conference tournament are not helping Marquette ugh.
Just out curiosity, how does that affect Marquette in the slightest?
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Just out curiosity, how does that affect Marquette in the slightest?
UAPB really doesn't. They were underdogs and forcing OT probably helped them. Green Bay was a favorite and winning would've given them the chance to win again and improve our NET. Though ultimately, I doubt it has much impact.
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UAPB really doesn't. They were underdogs and forcing OT probably helped them. Green Bay was a favorite and winning would've given them the chance to win again and improve our NET. Though ultimately, I doubt it has much impact.
Less than 24 hours after UWGB's loss, their two top scorers (Amari Davis and Josh Jefferson) entered the transfer portal.
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Less than 24 hours after UWGB's loss, their two top scorers (Amari Davis and Josh Jefferson) entered the transfer portal.
That happened prior to the game. Neither played. They also had three other players enter the portal at the same time. Getting Baby BOned?
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That happened prior to the game. Neither played. They also had three other players enter the portal at the same time. Getting Baby BOned?
Really? I only heard about it after the loss, so I assumed it was right after. I think Will is in for a couple of rough years.
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That happened prior to the game. Neither played. They also had three other players enter the portal at the same time. Getting Baby BOned?
Were any of them their guards that played so well against us? Granted, that's the only 40 minutes of UWGB basketball I watched this year, but my recollection is that their guards were pretty darn good, albeit smallish.
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Were any of them their guards that played so well against us? Granted, that's the only 40 minutes of UWGB basketball I watched this year, but my recollection is that their guards were pretty darn good, albeit smallish.
One of them played well against us. Josh Jefferson had 17 points, 5 rebounds, 6 assists, 1 turnover but was 3/9 from 2 and 3/11 from 3 so he needed a lot of shots for those 17 points. Amari Davis did not play as well against us, 7 points, 3 rebounds, 1 assist, 2 turnovers, 2/8 from 2 and 0/1 from 3.
I would not hate picking up Josh Jefferson. He's 6'2 190, has an assist rate of 21.5 (334th in D1) a TO% of 13.6 (359th), and is a capable 3P shooter (34%). I could see him being a very capable ball controlling backup PG.
Davis I don't see translating to the high major level as well. Some high major will likely take a flier on him but I wouldn't expect him to be a major contributor.
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One of them played well against us. Josh Jefferson had 17 points, 5 rebounds, 6 assists, 1 turnover but was 3/9 from 2 and 3/11 from 3 so he needed a lot of shots for those 17 points. Amari Davis did not play as well against us, 7 points, 3 rebounds, 1 assist, 2 turnovers, 2/8 from 2 and 0/1 from 3.
I would not hate picking up Josh Jefferson. He's 6'2 190, has an assist rate of 21.5 (334th in D1) a TO% of 13.6 (359th), and is a capable 3P shooter (34%). I could see him being a very capable ball controlling backup PG.
Davis I don't see translating to the high major level as well. Some high major will likely take a flier on him but I wouldn't expect him to be a major contributor.
Thanks for reply. I guess my memory is not good...I thought I remembered one of their guards going off from three on us.
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Thanks for reply. I guess my memory is not good...I thought I remembered one of their guards going off from three on us.
Probably remembering PJ Pipes, who went 4/10 from 3, 8/15 overall, and led the Phoenix with 22 points, but he's a senior. No idea his future plans.
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Probably remembering PJ Pipes, who went 4/10 from 3, 8/15 overall, and led the Phoenix with 22 points, but he's a senior. No idea his future plans.
That's the one. Thanks!
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UAPB really doesn't. They were underdogs and forcing OT probably helped them. Green Bay was a favorite and winning would've given them the chance to win again and improve our NET. Though ultimately, I doubt it has much impact.
Yeah, I just don't see how NET is even relevant at this point. Its win the BET or bust for Marquette. Its not like Marquette has a chance of getting in at 8-11, even with a run to the BET final. If anything, we should be rooting for results that get Nova the #2 seed so someone else can beat them and we don't have to play them in the 2nd round, if we're lucky enough to win next Wednesday..
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Yeah, I just don't see how NET is even relevant at this point. Its win the BET or bust for Marquette. Its not like Marquette has a chance of getting in at 8-11, even with a run to the BET final. If anything, we should be rooting for results that get Nova the #2 seed so someone else can beat them and we don't have to play them in the 2nd round, if we're lucky enough to win next Wednesday..
My hope is for a blowout win tonight to get us to the top-75 of NET. Not for us, but for the resumes of the rest of our league.
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My hope is for a blowout win tonight to get us to the top-75 of NET. Not for us, but for the resumes of the rest of our league.
My hope is for a blowout win tonight because I'd like to see us thrash DePaul within an inch of their lives.
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Just checked today’s updated NET Marquette # 88 but MU has 4 Quad 1 Wins. Nobody outside of the Top NET 46 has more than 4 Quad 1 Wins.
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Just checked today’s updated NET Marquette # 88 but MU has 4 Quad 1 Wins. Nobody outside of the Top NET 46 has more than 4 Quad 1 Wins.
What's the 4th quad 1 win? We could make the NIT with 2 more wins but I doubt it.
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What's the 4th quad 1 win? We could make the NIT with 2 more wins but I doubt it.
Not sure but believe our 4th Quad 1 Win was Saint John’s NET 74 on the road as defeating a Top 75 NET team on the road qualifies as a Quad 1 Win. Agree with 2 more wins we could maybe make the NIT.
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Marquette, Michigan State, Minnesota and Stanford are the 4 Teams with 4 Quad 1 Wins Outside the Top 46 NET.
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Big East NET rankings as of March 2, 2021
New Old
11 11 Villanova
23 23 Creighton
34 35 UConn
52 53 Seton Hall
53 50 Xavier
74 73 St. John's
79 79 Providence
88 88 Marquette
89 96 Georgetown
114 116 Butler
167 166 DePaul
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Crazy to think that if just a few little things went a little differently that we'd be sitting decently on the bubble. Say if the vs DePaul, @Prov, and @Xavier were wins (which they all easily could have been), this would be a real solid resume for the bubble.
Despite how poorly we've played, it's only a few turnovers or a couple missed shots away from dancing... which I find astounding.
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Crazy to think that if just a few little things went a little differently that we'd be sitting decently on the bubble. Say if the vs DePaul, @Prov, and @Xavier were wins (which they all easily could have been), this would be a real solid resume for the bubble.
Despite how poorly we've played, it's only a few turnovers or a couple missed shots away from dancing... which I find astounding.
Could probably add Seton Hall 1 on there when Koby traveled on the tie making shot.
Of course there's the inverse where we don't win against Wisconsin and we're even farther away from the bubble.
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Crazy to think that if just a few little things went a little differently that we'd be sitting decently on the bubble. Say if the vs DePaul, @Prov, and @Xavier were wins (which they all easily could have been), this would be a real solid resume for the bubble.
Despite how poorly we've played, it's only a few turnovers or a couple missed shots away from dancing... which I find astounding.
For me it's more about Lewis' injury. Gotta think a healthy Justin would have made a difference in the losses to SJU, Creighton, and at Hall. But it's a roster construction problem when an injury to your sixth man leaves you so shorthanded that you drop as many games as we did.
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Crazy to think that if just a few little things went a little differently that we'd be sitting decently on the bubble. Say if the vs DePaul, @Prov, and @Xavier were wins (which they all easily could have been), this would be a real solid resume for the bubble.
Despite how poorly we've played, it's only a few turnovers or a couple missed shots away from dancing... which I find astounding.
Well just about every team can say that. If you are going to look at games they could have won, then you have to look at games they could have lost, it usually evens out
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Crazy to think that if just a few little things went a little differently that we'd be sitting decently on the bubble. Say if the vs DePaul, @Prov, and @Xavier were wins (which they all easily could have been), this would be a real solid resume for the bubble.
Despite how poorly we've played, it's only a few turnovers or a couple missed shots away from dancing... which I find astounding.
Yeah, honestly don't even need the @PC game. Beat Depaul, and don't have that kid hit a prayer at the buzzer @X, and Marquette is 13-10 and very much in the bubble conversation.
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Crazy to think that if just a few little things went a little differently that we'd be sitting decently on the bubble. Say if the vs DePaul, @Prov, and @Xavier were wins (which they all easily could have been), this would be a real solid resume for the bubble.
Despite how poorly we've played, it's only a few turnovers or a couple missed shots away from dancing... which I find astounding.
It’s not astounding at all. That’s sports. If we hadn’t been completely lucky on the Lewis tip, we wouldn’t have beat Wisconsin. If Zegarowski hadn’t shot himself in the d!ck the first time we played Creighton, that would also likely have been a loss. And there go our two best wins.
Not astounding at all. Over the course of a season, things tend to even out and you are what you are.
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It’s not astounding at all. That’s sports. If we hadn’t been completely lucky on the Lewis tip, we wouldn’t have beat Wisconsin. If Zegarowski hadn’t shot himself in the d!ck the first time we played Creighton, that would also likely have been a loss. And there go our two best wins.
Not astounding at all. Over the course of a season, things tend to even out and you are what you are.
I think the overall point is that unless you are really good the season is going to fall on the outcome of a few games. Be on the right side of those games like Buzz's second team, which won three straight overtime games or on the wrong side like Buzz' last team. I forget how many teams that 17-15 team lost in overtime and some of them were double overtimes.
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Were any of them their guards that played so well against us? Granted, that's the only 40 minutes of UWGB basketball I watched this year, but my recollection is that their guards were pretty darn good, albeit smallish.
Probably remembering PJ Pipes, who went 4/10 from 3, 8/15 overall, and led the Phoenix with 22 points, but he's a senior. No idea his future plans.
Good news ATL. Pipes has now also entered the transfer portal. Don't like him as much as Jefferson personally, but making 2.4 threes a game with 41% accuracy likely gets you a spot somewhere on a high major roster.
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It’s not astounding at all. That’s sports. If we hadn’t been completely lucky on the Lewis tip, we wouldn’t have beat Wisconsin. If Zegarowski hadn’t shot himself in the d!ck the first time we played Creighton, that would also likely have been a loss. And there go our two best wins.
Not astounding at all. Over the course of a season, things tend to even out and you are what you are.
That Wisconsin game game was back and forth the entire game. Sure, just like a lot of the losses that we could have won. This is a game that we "could have lost" but we sure as hell were not lucky to win it.
Creighton. Meh. We had a shot to tie them at home as well. Again, could be 0-2 against them. But it wasn't some egregious fluke.
The moral of all this is. Even with how blatantly flawed and overall blahhhh this team is. Weve really not matched up with two teams(Nova and UConn). Everything else has been competitive. Like really competitive.
And that is actually astounding, because we really are not good. But if Lewis was healthy its reasonable to believe a couple of 1 possession losses go our way. Which is more reasonable then you saying we are lucky because Creightons guy actually played and authored his own fate into to the ground. THat argument works better if Zagarowski was out.
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I’d say all of these losses were hanging in the balance in the final minutes (UCONN pulled away but that was an 18 point blown lead).
@Seton Hall
Oklahoma State
@UCLA
Seton Hall
@Xavier
UCONN
DePaul
@Providence
St John’s
Creighton
Seton Hall
I’d count maybe 3 close ones that were teetering in the final minutes that went our way. So, of the 15 “close” games, we only came away with 3 of them. That’s a problem.
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Big East NET rankings as of games of March 3, 2021
New Old
10 11 Villanova
25 23 Creighton
33 34 UConn
53 53 Xavier
56 52 Seton Hall
69 74 St. John's
82 79 Providence
89 88 Marquette
91 89 Georgetown
113 114 Butler
167 167 DePaul
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I’d say all of these losses were hanging in the balance in the final minutes (UCONN pulled away but that was an 18 point blown lead).
@Seton Hall
Oklahoma State
@UCLA
Seton Hall
@Xavier
UCONN
DePaul
@Providence
St John’s
Creighton
Seton Hall
I’d count maybe 3 close ones that were teetering in the final minutes that went our way. So, of the 15 “close” games, we only came away with 3 of them. That’s a problem.
Losing close games is usually a reflection of 3 things (IMHO):
1. Poor coaching.
2. Lack of a "closer" on the team.
3. Bad luck.
I'd say we had/have a combination of all three.
Kunkel has turned out to be a mediocre-at-best player but against us he hit everything, including the winner that he literally threw in from 30 feet. That was extraordinarily bad luck. Probably a couple others can be in that category, too. Of course, the win over Wisconsin has to go into the good luck pile - first, a borderline foul call, then Justin's tip-in - so maybe they cancel each other out.
DJ is the nearest we have to a closer, but he is not the most consistent player in the land. We certainly have nothing close to a proven go-to guy in the clutch.
As for point No. 1 ... nuff said.
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Just checked today’s updated NET Marquette # 89 but MU has 4 Quad 1 Wins. Nobody outside of the Top NET 39 has more than 4 Quad 1 Wins.
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Losing close games is usually a reflection of 3 things (IMHO):
1. Poor coaching.
2. Lack of a "closer" on the team.
3. Bad luck.
I'd say we had/have a combination of all three.
Kunkel has turned out to be a mediocre-at-best player but against us he hit everything, including the winner that he literally threw in from 30 feet. That was extraordinarily bad luck. Probably a couple others can be in that category, too. Of course, the win over Wisconsin has to go into the good luck pile - first, a borderline foul call, then Justin's tip-in - so maybe they cancel each other out.
DJ is the nearest we have to a closer, but he is not the most consistent player in the land. We certainly have nothing close to a proven go-to guy in the clutch.
As for point No. 1 ... nuff said.
Mike
Pomeroy has us ranked as the 222nd “luckiest” team out of 357 - IOW, a little more unlucky than average.
I agree with Pomeroy that we’ve been a little unlucky. I also agree with you that coaching and the lack of a closer has made us a little more prone to “bad luck”.
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Marquette’s Standard Pomeroy Rating is 76 and Our BPI is 76 too today.
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Marquette’s Standard Pomeroy Rating is 76 and Our BPI is 76 too today.
68 in Haslam
65 in TRank
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Mike
Pomeroy has us ranked as the 222nd “luckiest” team out of 357 - IOW, a little more unlucky than average.
I agree with Pomeroy that we’ve been a little unlucky. I also agree with you that coaching and the lack of a closer has made us a little more prone to “bad luck”.
We are totally in agreement here, Tony.
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Big East NET rankings as of games of March 3, 2021
New Old
10 11 Villanova
25 23 Creighton
33 34 UConn
53 53 Xavier
56 52 Seton Hall
69 74 St. John's
82 79 Providence
89 88 Marquette
91 89 Georgetown
113 114 Butler
167 167 DePaul
March, where we hope to play ourselves onto the NIT bubble (https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/proxy/_aMqbUzd2shD1XCkc2ACn6iMV6MKyZrQYrcipi4UiQ1yUh_aPJSSIj6n3CS5cGtirvqDn7NpiYThfrV-xcS9lQqK8XpBbTxvPmL1o8bQgQpeP5jFFQPz9YYwwQh1AHLDmAE)
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68 in Haslam
65 in TRank
Marquette Ranks #64 in DRatings
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Big East NET Rankings as of games of March 4,2021
New Old
10 10 Villanova
26 25 Creighton
32 33 UConn
53 53 Xavier
57 56 Seton Hall
69 69 St. John's
83 82 Providence
90 89 Marquette
91 91 Georgetown
115 113 Butler
167 167 DePaul
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Marquette Ranks #64 in DRatings
With all the best sites within the same range on their point estimates, this begs to question the accuracy of the NET ratings which has MU at 90. Personally, I think it is very positively biased toward the large conference B1G in the shortened COVID year, whereas the smaller BE gets hosed especially with so many games cancelled.
Don't get me wrong about thinking MU is a bubble team, but teams like Indiana, MSU, Stanford and Duke are not bubble teams by quality but they are in the mix by conference. I would hope that in this year the conversation is deeper but I doubt it. The NET fails in my book and is the worst of all the statistical rankings. C19 exposed it.
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Marquette ranks #63 in Sagarin.
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With all the best sites within the same range on their point estimates, this begs to question the accuracy of the NET ratings which has MU at 90. Personally, I think it is very positively biased toward the large conference B1G in the shortened COVID year, whereas the smaller BE gets hosed especially with so many games cancelled.
Don't get me wrong about thinking MU is a bubble team, but teams like Indiana, MSU, Stanford and Duke are not bubble teams by quality but they are in the mix by conference. I would hope that in this year the conversation is deeper but I doubt it. The NET fails in my book and is the worst of all the statistical rankings. C19 exposed it.
Who knows how much home court is factored in either. We were relatively poor against average teams (Q2) at the Fiserv this year. Meanwhile Minnesota didn’t win a road but took care of business at home and are way ahead in NET. NET really shouldn’t be used much this year.
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Big East NET rankings as of games of March 5, 2021
New Old
10 10 Villanova
26 26 Creighton
32 32 UConn
52 53 Xavier
57 57 Seton Hall
68 69 St. John's
83 83 Providence
91 90 Marquette
92 91 Georgetown
115 115 Butler
165 167 DePaul
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Big East NET Rankings as of Games of March 6,2021
New Old
11 10 Villanova
24 26 Creighton
31 32 UConn
56 52 Xavier
57 57 Seton Hall
67 68 St. John's
76 83 Providence
87 91 Marquette
95 92 Georgetown
118 115 Butler
165 165 DePaul
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Top 90, baby!
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Big East Tournament and NET rankings as of games of March 7, 2021
New Old
11 11 Villanova
25 24 Creighton
31 31 UConn
57 56 Xavier
58 57 Seton Hall
68 67 St. John's
77 76 Providence
87 87 Marquette
95 95 Georgetown
119 118 Butler
164 165 DePaul
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Big East Poll Rankings as of March 8,2021
AP
14. Villanova
17. Creighton
Others Receiving Votes
U Conn
Coaches
11. Villanova
17. Creighton
Others Receiving Votes
U Conn
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how far does the seed for Nova drop?
I'd guess a couple lines if the committee factors in Gillespie being out.
Not mentioning the status of Justin Moore's ankle injury.
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how far does the seed for Nova drop?
I'd guess a couple lines if the committee factors in Gillespie being out.
Not mentioning the status of Justin Moore's ankle injury.
Seeding isn't supposed to work like that. It doesn't matter if Nova isn't as good without Gillespie/Moore. What matters is what seed does their resume earn them.
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Seeding isn't supposed to work like that. It doesn't matter if Nova isn't as good without Gillespie/Moore. What matters is what seed does their resume earn them.
I feel like Cincinnati dropped a line or two the year Kenyon Martin got hurt.
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Seeding isn't supposed to work like that. It doesn't matter if Nova isn't as good without Gillespie/Moore. What matters is what seed does their resume earn them.
Any word on severity of Moore's injury? Any chance he plays in the BET?
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Any word on severity of Moore's injury? Any chance he plays in the BET?
VUHoops seems to think he is out. Wright said that the ankle injury was "very serious"
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I feel like Cincinnati dropped a line or two the year Kenyon Martin got hurt.
I believe that, back then, they considered things like injuries, play in last 10 games, etc. Supposedly they don't consider that stuff now.
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I feel like Cincinnati dropped a line or two the year Kenyon Martin got hurt.
MU82 is correct. Considerations are different now. Quite frankly, injured players should matter in seeding
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I feel like Cincinnati dropped a line or two the year Kenyon Martin got hurt.
They dropped from a #1 to #2. But that was over 20 years ago, and I the NCAAs policy has changed since. In fact, I think it changed specifically because of the controversy around Martin's injury.
They lost in the second round that year to a Bill Self coached Tulsa team.
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What's interesting is that injured players aren't supposed to hurt your seed, but players that return (see also: James Bouknight) are able to improve it. I'll dig in tomorrow, but I expect to knock Nova down a few spots, if only because of the PC loss. I think they land either as a 3 or 4.
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NM posted in wrong thread
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Big East NET Rankings as of Games of March 08, 2021
New Old
11 11 Villanova
25 25 Creighton
31 31 UConn
57 57 Xavier
58 58 Seton Hall
68 68 St. John's
77 77 Providence
86 87 Marquette
95 95 Georgetown
118 119 Butler
165 164 DePaul
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It seems pretty certain that MU would have to get the auto-bid to dance, but beating GTown, Nova, and StJ/SH and losing in the final would put Marquette at 16-14 with 11-12 BE record including the BET with a 7-2 finish.
This would also likely put Marquette, depending on margins, in the mid 60s in the NET with a lot of quality wins and possibly make it interesting. St John’s got in with a NET in the 70s a few years back.
Fortunately the computers don’t adjust for Villanovas injuries so Marquette would get a really solid bump up there. Unfortunately I’m sure the committee would take that W with a grain of salt and Marquette would still be left out.
It would be amazing to even get to the Final on Saturday
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I'll have what you guys are having.
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I'll have what you guys are having.
I’ve been having some intense bubbling guts all morning
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It seems pretty certain that MU would have to get the auto-bid to dance, but beating GTown, Nova, and StJ/SH and losing in the final would put Marquette at 16-14 with 11-12 BE record including the BET with a 7-2 finish.
This would also likely put Marquette, depending on margins, in the mid 60s in the NET with a lot of quality wins and possibly make it interesting. St John’s got in with a NET in the 70s a few years back.
Fortunately the computers don’t adjust for Villanovas injuries so Marquette would get a really solid bump up there. Unfortunately I’m sure the committee would take that W with a grain of salt and Marquette would still be left out.
It would be amazing to even get to the Final on Saturday
after 7 years of being beatdown, I sincerely appreciate & envy your optimism.
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It seems pretty certain that MU would have to get the auto-bid to dance, but beating GTown, Nova, and StJ/SH and losing in the final would put Marquette at 16-14 with 11-12 BE record including the BET with a 7-2 finish.
This would also likely put Marquette, depending on margins, in the mid 60s in the NET with a lot of quality wins and possibly make it interesting. St John’s got in with a NET in the 70s a few years back.
Fortunately the computers don’t adjust for Villanovas injuries so Marquette would get a really solid bump up there. Unfortunately I’m sure the committee would take that W with a grain of salt and Marquette would still be left out.
It would be amazing to even get to the Final on Saturday
Reading these last few messages, another, opposite thought, occurred to me. MU's season could be over in just a bit over 24 hours. It's been a frustrating, hard-to-take year, but I sure don't want it to end!
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after 7 years of being beatdown, I sincerely appreciate & envy your optimism.
It's not just 7 years...it's our incredibly mediocre Conf Tourney record since 2002 (Made the CUSA Finals).
Since then, I believe we've made the Conf Tourney semis only three times (2008, 2010 and 2019).
To say we're due is an understatement.
(And yes I know we own the Big East's longest streak for Thursday appearances)
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It seems pretty certain that MU would have to get the auto-bid to dance, but beating GTown, Nova, and StJ/SH and losing in the final would put Marquette at 16-14 with 11-12 BE record including the BET with a 7-2 finish.
This would also likely put Marquette, depending on margins, in the mid 60s in the NET with a lot of quality wins and possibly make it interesting. St John’s got in with a NET in the 70s a few years back.
Marquette has absolutely zero chance of an at-large. The only way into the NCAA tournament is winning on Saturday. Period.
In the past five years, only 5 teams have gone from out to at-large in the final week. None came from further than the first 8 teams out, and Marquette is beyond the 16th team out. Zero shot of at-large. Zero zero zero.
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Marquette has absolutely zero chance of an at-large. The only way into the NCAA tournament is winning on Saturday. Period.
In the past five years, only 5 teams have gone from out to at-large in the final week. None came from further than the first 8 teams out, and Marquette is beyond the 16th team out. Zero shot of at-large. Zero zero zero.
So you’re saying there’s a chance!
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Marquette has absolutely zero chance of an at-large. The only way into the NCAA tournament is winning on Saturday. Period.
In the past five years, only 5 teams have gone from out to at-large in the final week. None came from further than the first 8 teams out, and Marquette is beyond the 16th team out. Zero shot of at-large. Zero zero zero.
Comparing this year to past years seems futile. Resumes and results are so uneven. Unlike any year before.
Hope MU might get some credit for playing one of the tougher non-con schedules, avoiding any COVID stoppages of their own, adding a quality non con road game on the fly (and winning), and finishing the year strong.
Make the BET final and see if the committee sets some new precedents in this unprecedented year.
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Comparing this year to past years seems futile. Resumes and results are so uneven. Unlike any year before.
Hope MU might get some credit for playing one of the tougher non-con schedules, avoiding any COVID stoppages of their own, adding a quality non con road game on the fly (and winning), and finishing the year strong.
Make the BET final and see if the committee sets some new precedents in this unprecedented year.
No chance. The last hope of an at-large ended when they lost to UConn. Maybe they get into the NIT. Maybe. The only way they get into the NCAA is by winning the auto.
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Big East D1 NET Rankings as of games of March 9, 2021
New Old
11 11 Villanova
25 25 Creighton
31 31 UConn
58 57 Xavier
59 58 Seton Hall
67 68 St. John's
77 77 Providence
87 86 Marquette
94 95 Georgetown
117 118 Butler
165 165 DePaul
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Just having a good scoop week. Maybe I should retire while on top
👍👍 lol Maybe I should of retired as a fan after our Marquette Old Big East Run. But Love MU Basketball and can not.
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Horrid is different than bad. Yet, both don't describe the Big East Conference this year or most likely ever.
Big East is a 3 bid league right now. Least amount of bids of any P6 & tied with Mountain West as a 3 bid league
Big East top seed is currently a 4 seed per lunardi
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Big East NET Rankings as of games of March 11, 2021
New Old
17 12 Villanova
20 25 Creighton
28 31 UConn
55 58 Seton Hall
60 62 Xavier
68 66 St. John's
81 85 Georgetown
84 81 Providence
92 92 Marquette
120 113 Butler
161 152 DePaul
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As bad as Marquette’s season has been there are only 5 teams outside the Top NET 37 with 4 or more QUAD 1 Wins and Marquette is one of them.
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Big East NET Rankings as of games of March 11, 2021
New Old
17 12 Villanova
20 25 Creighton
28 31 UConn
55 58 Seton Hall
60 62 Xavier
68 66 St. John's
81 85 Georgetown
84 81 Providence
92 92 Marquette
120 113 Butler
161 152 DePaul
That looks fishy...how does Creighton climb 5 spots just by beating a sub-100 Butler? And how does UConn gain at all by beating DePaul?
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That looks fishy...how does Creighton climb 5 spots just by beating a sub-100 Butler? And how does UConn gain at all by beating DePaul?
I suspect the winning margins (both blowouts) created the changes.
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That looks fishy...how does Creighton climb 5 spots just by beating a sub-100 Butler? And how does UConn gain at all by beating DePaul?
NET changes seem to be almost entirely predicated on victory margins. Win by more than the system expects & you go up. Win by a lot more, go up a lot.
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Big East NET Rankings as of games of March 12,2021
17 20 Creighton
19 17 Villanova
30 28 UConn
57 55 Seton Hall
59 60 Xavier
69 68 St. John's
76 81 Georgetown
81 84 Providence
92 92 Marquette
123 120 Butler
163 161 DePaul
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NET changes seem to be almost entirely predicated on victory margins. Win by more than the system expects & you go up. Win by a lot more, go up a lot.
Yep. It's a pretty flawed system.
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Yep. It's a pretty flawed system.
I think it's generally okay. Maybe needs some tweaking, but systems like kenpom, BPI, & Sagarin are the same in that regard, and NET is far better than RPI was.
Every system will have its outliers, but I think NET does an okay job. And if the way to "game the system" is by playing the most efficient basketball while benefiting from high scores, that seems to be good for the game.
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Big East NET Rankings as of Games of March 13,2021
New Old
16 19 Villanova
25 17 Creighton
30 30 UConn
57 57 Seton Hall
59 59 Xavier
64 76 Georgetown
69 69 St. John's
85 81 Providence
94 92 Marquette
123 123 Butler
163 163 DePaul
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Final Coaches Poll After Tournament Complete ( No AP Poll)
11. Nova
14. Creighton
Others Receiving Votes:
U- Conn