General Big East Thread 20-21

[Uncle Rico]

So long as Mamu, Cale, and Willard are still around, they're still very much unlikeable.

Agree 100%. 

[tower912]

Every year, Willard can't coach, this is the year that Seton Hall finally crumbles.    Every year, they turn out to be a friggin hemorrhoid.

[MU82]

Not even trying to be mean but I am in no way surprised. Aiken hasn't played more than 18 games in a season in four years so I'm not confident that he does much for Seton Hall this year if those injury issues continue

So what you're saying is that Aiken is always achin'?

[mileskishnish72]

Hahaha, Seton Hall

Celebrating injuries is not cool.

[shoothoops]

I wish the best success for every single Big East Team to strengthen the power of MU opponents and the league. I also wish the best.success for every non-conference MU opponent to also strengthen MU's schedule.

If and when there are games where the above doesn't matter, I would have more varied rooting interest based on individual teams and programs I prefer over others.

[PGsHeroes32]

I wish the best success for every single Big East Team to strengthen the power of MU opponents and the league. I also wish the best.success for every non-conference MU opponent to also strengthen MU's schedule.

If and when there are games where the above doesn't matter, I would have more varied rooting interest based on individual teams and programs I prefer over others.

Not me.

I want the BE as a whole to do really well. But when we are a projected mid pack BE bubble team. We need to differentiate ourselves as much as possible. So for example, MU getting wins against Ok state and/or Wisconsin while SHU drops one to UL. That gives us a bit of an edge.

Otherwise everything will just be a free for all in conference and come down to the standings in exact order.

[MU82]

Not me.

I want the BE as a whole to do really well. But when we are a projected mid pack BE bubble team. We need to differentiate ourselves as much as possible. So for example, MU getting wins against Ok state and/or Wisconsin while SHU drops one to UL. That gives us a bit of an edge.

Otherwise everything will just be a free for all in conference and come down to the standings in exact order.

Yeah, this is where I am mostly. It is hard for me to ever really root for Seton Hall and other conference rivals.

I look at it as a win-win scenario: If SH or UConn or Nova or Creighton wins, it's good for the league and likely will help our rating in the end; if one of them loses, that's fine too cuz I don't like them and, like you said, I want to be ranked ahead of them.

[The Sultan]

Not me.

I want the BE as a whole to do really well. But when we are a projected mid pack BE bubble team. We need to differentiate ourselves as much as possible. So for example, MU getting wins against Ok state and/or Wisconsin while SHU drops one to UL. That gives us a bit of an edge.

A bit of an edge...for what?  NCAA selection?

When SHU loses to UL, that impacts Marquette's strength of schedule.  You want every Big East team to win every non-conference game.  The NCAA selection committee doesn't have a conference quota or something.  The stronger you make the conference, the deeper the selection goes.

[PGsHeroes32]

A bit of an edge...for what?  NCAA selection?

When SHU loses to UL, that impacts Marquette's strength of schedule.  You want every Big East team to win every non-conference game.  The NCAA selection committee doesn't have a conference quota or something.  The stronger you make the conference, the deeper the selection goes.

Yes for NCAA selection and seeding. SHU losing to UL isn't going to crush our strength of schedule and keep us out lol.

On the flip side, if MU and SHU(or Xavier, Providence, Uconn) are all hovering around the bubble key wins matter for not just getting in but seeding.

Is there a quota on number from each conference? No, but there is a quota for number that get in. And the best way to separate yourself is to beat more quality teams than other teams. While also not losing to trash teams and/or only beating garbage.

I wanna see Nova steam roll in non con. I would prefer to not have Xavier lose to damn Toledo. But if SHU loses to UL, yeah I am good with it.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

On the flip side, if MU and SHU(or Xavier, Providence, Uconn) are all hovering around the bubble key wins matter for not just getting in but seeding.

Is there a quota on number from each conference? No, but there is a quota for number that get in. And the best way to separate yourself is to beat more quality teams than other teams. While also not losing to trash teams and/or only beating garbage.

This ignores the (likely IMHO) possibility that Louisville will also be on the bubble and is getting a quality win over Seton Hall. I think that nullifies any value Seton Hall losing has and has the added detriment of negatively impacting our SOS.

[wadesworld]

As long as Willard is the coach, SHU going 0-fer is fine with me.

[GooooMarquette]

So just to be clear: this guy getting injured for Seton Hall will hurt our seeding?

[PGsHeroes32]

This ignores the (likely IMHO) possibility that Louisville will also be on the bubble and is getting a quality win over Seton Hall. I think that nullifies any value Seton Hall losing has and has the added detriment of negatively impacting our SOS.

Yup that is definitely true too. This early in the year its truly impossible to know which teams are gonna really need wins.

The one thing we do know is 3-7/8 in the BE could be really jumbled. And we are all gonna play each other twice(COVID willing) so getting a leg up on a 5 bubblish teams entering conference play is a quality start.

[The Sultan]

Yup that is definitely true too. This early in the year its truly impossible to know which teams are gonna really need wins.

The one thing we do know is 3-7/8 in the BE could be really jumbled. And we are all gonna play each other twice(COVID willing) so getting a leg up on a 5 bubblish teams entering conference play is a quality start.

Yeah I don't think you understand how this works.

[PGsHeroes32]

Yeah I don't think you understand how this works.

No I understand exactly how this works

If you can't understand, thats your own issue

[The Sultan]

No I understand exactly how this works

No.  You clearly don't.

Marquette isn't judged only against teams in the Big East.  They are judged against teams throughout all of Division 1.  So it is way too early to know if Seton Hall, Louisville, etc. are going to be on the bubble with Marquette or not.  And if they are, where those teams are placed in their respective conferences isn't at all relevant. 

But what we DO know, is that a Seton Hall team with a stronger record helps Marquette.  It makes a win against them a better win, and/or a loss against them a better loss.  And since they will (hopefully) play them 2 times, and possibly 3, that gives Marquette three opportunities to play a stronger team.  They won't get any chance to play Louisville.

So, if you DID understand this, you would realize that you should want every Big East team to win every non-conference game.

Because...you know...math.

[PGsHeroes32]

No.  You clearly don't.

Marquette isn't judged only against teams in the Big East.  They are judged against teams throughout all of Division 1.  So it is way too early to know if Seton Hall, Louisville, etc. are going to be on the bubble with Marquette or not.  And if they are, where those teams are placed in their respective conferences isn't at all relevant. 

But what we DO know, is that a Seton Hall team with a stronger record helps Marquette.  It makes a win against them a better win, and/or a loss against them a better loss.  And since they will (hopefully) play them 2 times, and possibly 3, that gives Marquette three opportunities to play a stronger team.  They won't get any chance to play Louisville.

So, if you DID understand this, you would realize that you should want every Big East team to win every non-conference game.

Because...you know...math.

LOL clearly reading is hard for you. And per usual you are looking for arguments for the sake of it(very poorly might I add). I already said(in the post you quoted) its far too early.

You seem to be under the impression per your original post that "strength of schedule" is all that matters. Wrong. Extremely, wrong actually.

You have to beat good teams. Quality wins matter. Pounding teams matter. Playing good teams matters. Winning games matters.

I said selection AND SEEDING. Again, reading. You have to be able to do it to be on a message board.


If you think SHU losing to Louisville is going to be what keeps us out of the tournament or knocks us down a seed line. You really do not know how this works. And thats also not good outlook for our chances.

There is a far, far superior chance that in a jumbled Big East. Marquette winning their big non con games while the teams we are jumbled with didn't helps separate us.

Hall losing by 1 to UL isn't destroying our net ranking or SOS. And them winning by 1 isn't boosting us to some promised land.

Like I said, you are looking to argue for the sake of arguing.

I understand perfectly how the selection process goes. A process that greatly takes a look at who you beat and didn't beat outside of conference play.

[The Sultan]

LOL clearly reading is hard for you. And per usual you are looking for arguments for the sake of it(very poorly might I add). I already said(in the post you quoted) its far too early.

You seem to be under the impression per your original post that "strength of schedule" is all that matters. Wrong. Extremely, wrong actually.

You have to beat good teams. Quality wins matter. Pounding teams matter. Playing good teams matters. Winning games matters.

I said selection AND SEEDING. Again, reading. You have to be able to do it to be on a message board.


If you think SHU losing to Louisville is going to be what keeps us out of the tournament or knocks us down a seed line. You really do not know how this works. And thats also not good outlook for our chances.

There is a far, far superior chance that in a jumbled Big East. Marquette winning their big non con games while the teams we are jumbled with didn't helps separate us.

Hall losing by 1 to UL isn't destroying our net ranking or SOS. And them winning by 1 isn't boosting us to some promised land.

Like I said, you are looking to argue for the sake of arguing.

I understand perfectly how the selection process goes. A process that greatly takes a look at who you beat and didn't beat outside of conference play.

No.  Again, you don't understand. 

You did get one thing right.  Beating good teams matters.  And Marquette will have an opportunity to beat a Seton Hall rated BETTER because they beat a Louisville team, instead of losing to one.

And dismissing me because I'm running laps around you is very transparent.  Just throw up the white flag already.  Or don't and I can rip another hole in your bad argument.  The choice is yours.

[PGsHeroes32]

No.  Again, you don't understand. 

You did get one thing right.  Beating good teams matters.  And Marquette will have an opportunity to beat a Seton Hall rated BETTER because they beat a Louisville team, instead of losing to one.

And dismissing me because I'm running laps around you is very transparent.  Just throw up the white flag already.  Or don't and I can rip another hole in your bad argument.  The choice is yours.

No I do understand.

lol someone that is creating their own arguments for the sake of doing it. Then trying to claim victory is a defeated man.l

You haven't got anything right. So I guess you awarded me 1, to your 0.

Now, take your daily asperger outburst somewhere else.

[The Sultan]

No I do understand.

lol someone that is creating their own arguments for the sake of doing it. Then trying to claim victory is a defeated man.l

You haven't got anything right. So I guess you awarded me 1, to your 0.

Now, take your daily asperger outburst somewhere else.

Classy. 

[PGsHeroes32]

Classy.

[Lennys Tap]

I think it's about time you tap out.

[bilsu]

Not me.

I want the BE as a whole to do really well. But when we are a projected mid pack BE bubble team. We need to differentiate ourselves as much as possible. So for example, MU getting wins against Ok state and/or Wisconsin while SHU drops one to UL. That gives us a bit of an edge.

Otherwise everything will just be a free for all in conference and come down to the standings in exact order.

The Big East needs to get as many NCAA bids as possible. MU has a better chance of making NCAA, if the Big East gets 6 or 7 bids than it does if it gets only four bids. We need to root for every Big East team to win in non-conference.

[The Big East]

The Big East needs to get as many NCAA bids as possible. MU has a better chance of making NCAA, if the Big East gets 6 or 7 bids than it does if it gets only four bids. We need to root for every Big East team to win in non-conference.

Every year I root for the entire Big East in non conference to win big in every game. This helps every team in the league.  We then have the advantage of a 20 game conference schedule with no weak teams anywhere.  The strong non conference performance  puts our league in a position to get the maximum of bids because every team starts out in higher position in the NET rankings relative to those in other leagues.

[Mr. Nielsen]

Going to overtime on ESPNU.
Virginia Tech 64 #3 Villanova 64.