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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on November 25, 2020, 12:09:59 PM
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8 teams in action today with Xavier kicking things off early. Currently spanking Oakland by over 40. Despite the blowout, they are only going 8 deep in their rotation. No Daniel Ramsey, CJ Wilcher, or Colby Jones.
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Granted they are playing a sub-par team, they look pretty solid. Tandy and Freemantle are going to be very very good 4 year players for Xavier.
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Anybody else staying tuned to FS1 all day? w00t
Not watching intently (have to actually work), but nice to have hoops on!
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Anybody else staying tuned to FS1 all day? w00t
Not watching intently (have to actually work), but nice to have hoops on!
For sure! Multiple screens with other networks.
Fast game. 1 hour 39 minutes. No timeouts.
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Anybody else staying tuned to FS1 all day? w00t
Not watching intently (have to actually work), but nice to have hoops on!
Indeed. Roundball Rick, college hoops, and off of work for the holiday. It’s a good week.
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Not sure if this has been answered elsewhere ... but, until fans return, are we playing home games at Fiserv or the AL?
I would guess with no fans, it is cheaper to have games at the AL over an empty Fiserv.
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Not sure if this has been answered elsewhere ... but, until fans return, are we playing home games at Fiserv or the AL?
I would guess with no fans, it is cheaper to have games at the AL over an empty Fiserv.
Fiserv
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I haven't been able to confirm this, but MU must be locked into paying for the Fiserv this season whether they play there or not. Otherwise it seems like they would play at least some games at the AL to save money. Can anyone confirm?
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X out of the box strong over Oakland
Cooley & Company looking strong versus Fairfield
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Weve already got this thread.
So lets make this post the last post.
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Weve already got this thread.
So lets make this post the last post.
I have posted this thread every year for several years now. Feel free not to post in it.
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I have posted this thread every year for several years now. Feel free not to post in it.
And merged...
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And merged...
True heroes don't wear capes.
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True heroes don't wear capes.
Neither of us knows what rocky is into.
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And merged...
Providence Won
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UT-Arlington hanging tough with OK-State: only 6 behind early second half. Game on ESPN if interested.
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UT-Arlington hanging tough with OK-State: only 6 behind early second half. Game on ESPN if interested.
Zone em.
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Butler trailing by 2 to Western Michigan in the 2nd half. Struggling from three.
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Nasty twisted ankle for Nze
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UConn with 7 players >6'9. Central Connecticut playing fearlessly and playing a nice zone.
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Wow. St. John's comeback to beat St. Peter's 76-75.
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UCONN is gonna be a nightmare this season.
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Villanova and Boston College tied at 34, at the half.
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BC gave Nova all they could handle for most of that game. Nova turned it on late. JRE was unstoppable.
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Not Beast, but UCLA looks very mediocre against an admittedly solid SDSU team right now.
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So good to be watching basketball again. Didn't watch everything but from what I saw the best performances in the BEast tonight were:
1. X by 52 over Oakland (down 2 reserves)
2. Providence by 41 over Fairfield
3. Marquette by 42 over APB (down 1 reserve)
4. Villanova by 9 over BC (down 2 reserves)
5. UConn by 27 over Central Connecticut (down Tyrese Martin)
6. St. John's by 1 over St. Peter's (down Julian Champagnie)
7. Georgetown by 8 over UMBC (down 1 reserve)
8. Butler by 4 over Western Michigan (down 1 reserve)
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X is not a good offensive team. Struggling mightily with Bradley.
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X is not a good offensive team. Struggling mightily with Bradley.
Final Four good.
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X survives. Fts no matta, except when you have a 1-and-1 down 1 with .4 seconds left.
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X very fortunate to beat the Fighting Wardles.
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I already hate Zach Freemantle
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St John’s without Dunn and Champagne against LaSalle today.
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I already hate Zach Freemantle
Only watched the last 5 mins. He looked totally gassed the entire time.
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Villanova up 41-32 on Arizona State at halftime. ASU started hot but Nova slowed it down and imposed their will to take a relatively comfortable lead. JRE looks awesome. On the other end, Josh Christopher is a stud. High-flyer that can do a bit of everything.
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Glass eaters. 25-10 Nova.
Both teams shooting poorly, Nova missing better looks than what ASU has been getting. ASU hanging around for now. Vastly improved game for Jeremiah Robinson-Earl for Villanova this season thus far. Lots of player development going on there.
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After winning the Empire Classic, Villanova has decided to stay at Mohegan Sun and added a game with Virginia Tech to their schedule because Temple went on quarantine. Virginia Tech was supposed to play Temple tomorrow while Villanova was supposed to play them Dec. 3, so the schools decided to fill their Temple vacancies with each other. Scheduling games 48 hours in advance, welcome to the new reality.
https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/villanova-wins-empire-classic-extends-stay-in-bubbleville-by-adding-game-vs-virginia-tech-on-saturday/
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After winning the Empire Classic, Villanova has decided to stay at Mohegan Sun and added a game with Virginia Tech to their schedule because Temple went on quarantine. Virginia Tech was supposed to play Temple tomorrow while Villanova was supposed to play them Dec. 3, so the schools decided to fill their Temple vacancies with each other. Scheduling games 48 hours in advance, welcome to the new reality.
https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/villanova-wins-empire-classic-extends-stay-in-bubbleville-by-adding-game-vs-virginia-tech-on-saturday/
Well played by the schools. Need to be able to adjust on a dime in times like this.
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Goal setting.
In the past 7 plus seasons and counting, Villanova has won:
6 Big East Regular Season Titles
4 Big East Tourney Titles
2 NCAA Titles
7 November Tourneys
Not bad. Not bad at all.
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Xavier down a couple to Toledo at the u4 timeout.
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I'm happy Xavier pulled off the win, but part of me is enjoying watching them struggle the last two games. It took awhile but the camaraderie of the Catholic 7 + 3 is slowly being replaced by an irrational hatred for our conference rivals. It feels nice.
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Holy Toledo ... that was close!
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I'm happy Xavier pulled off the win, but part of me is enjoying watching them struggle the last two games. It took awhile but the camaraderie of the Catholic 7 + 3 is slowly being replaced by an irrational hatred for our conference rivals. It feels nice.
In another lifetime, Xavier was one of the few teams outside MUBB that I cheered for, going back to the Pete Gillen days. Since they’ve joined the Big East, I’ve found their fan base to be amongst the most hateable in the new league. They’re right behind Seton Hall for me at the moment
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I'm happy Xavier pulled off the win, but part of me is enjoying watching them struggle the last two games. It took awhile but the camaraderie of the Catholic 7 + 3 is slowly being replaced by an irrational hatred for our conference rivals. It feels nice.
I don't hate anyone in the conference. SHU was definitely on the list last year but with Powell gone the hate has dialed back a bit.
It was better for MU if X won that game so I was happy to see them pull it off.
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The last team I hated in conference was Sayracuse. So arrogant. I'm cool with our current roster of teams.
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From most hate to least hate in the Big East, I'd rank them:
1) Seton Hall (large gap between them and the rest)
2) Creighton
3) Butler - almost entirely because of their fans
4) St. John's (mainly because of PTSD from teams not as good as ours running us out of the gym)
5) UCONN
6) Providence
7) DePaul
8) Georgetown
9) Xavier
10) Nova
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SH played Louisville to 38-38 halftime tie but opened 2H getting outhustled over and over, and quickly down 45-38.
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Aiken hurt already
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Aiken hurt already
Not even trying to be mean but I am in no way surprised. Aiken hasn’t played more than 18 games in a season in four years so I’m not confident that he does much for Seton Hall this year if those injury issues continue
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Hahaha, Seton Hall
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Hahaha, Seton Hall
So long as Mamu, Cale, and Willard are still around, they’re still very much unlikeable.
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So long as Mamu, Cale, and Willard are still around, they’re still very much unlikeable.
Agree 100%.
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Every year, Willard can't coach, this is the year that Seton Hall finally crumbles. Every year, they turn out to be a friggin hemorrhoid.
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Not even trying to be mean but I am in no way surprised. Aiken hasn’t played more than 18 games in a season in four years so I’m not confident that he does much for Seton Hall this year if those injury issues continue
So what you're saying is that Aiken is always achin'?
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Hahaha, Seton Hall
Celebrating injuries is not cool.
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I wish the best success for every single Big East Team to strengthen the power of MU opponents and the league. I also wish the best.success for every non-conference MU opponent to also strengthen MU's schedule.
If and when there are games where the above doesn't matter, I would have more varied rooting interest based on individual teams and programs I prefer over others.
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I wish the best success for every single Big East Team to strengthen the power of MU opponents and the league. I also wish the best.success for every non-conference MU opponent to also strengthen MU's schedule.
If and when there are games where the above doesn't matter, I would have more varied rooting interest based on individual teams and programs I prefer over others.
Not me.
I want the BE as a whole to do really well. But when we are a projected mid pack BE bubble team. We need to differentiate ourselves as much as possible. So for example, MU getting wins against Ok state and/or Wisconsin while SHU drops one to UL. That gives us a bit of an edge.
Otherwise everything will just be a free for all in conference and come down to the standings in exact order.
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Not me.
I want the BE as a whole to do really well. But when we are a projected mid pack BE bubble team. We need to differentiate ourselves as much as possible. So for example, MU getting wins against Ok state and/or Wisconsin while SHU drops one to UL. That gives us a bit of an edge.
Otherwise everything will just be a free for all in conference and come down to the standings in exact order.
Yeah, this is where I am mostly. It is hard for me to ever really root for Seton Hall and other conference rivals.
I look at it as a win-win scenario: If SH or UConn or Nova or Creighton wins, it's good for the league and likely will help our rating in the end; if one of them loses, that's fine too cuz I don't like them and, like you said, I want to be ranked ahead of them.
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Not me.
I want the BE as a whole to do really well. But when we are a projected mid pack BE bubble team. We need to differentiate ourselves as much as possible. So for example, MU getting wins against Ok state and/or Wisconsin while SHU drops one to UL. That gives us a bit of an edge.
A bit of an edge...for what? NCAA selection?
When SHU loses to UL, that impacts Marquette's strength of schedule. You want every Big East team to win every non-conference game. The NCAA selection committee doesn't have a conference quota or something. The stronger you make the conference, the deeper the selection goes.
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A bit of an edge...for what? NCAA selection?
When SHU loses to UL, that impacts Marquette's strength of schedule. You want every Big East team to win every non-conference game. The NCAA selection committee doesn't have a conference quota or something. The stronger you make the conference, the deeper the selection goes.
Yes for NCAA selection and seeding. SHU losing to UL isn't going to crush our strength of schedule and keep us out lol.
On the flip side, if MU and SHU(or Xavier, Providence, Uconn) are all hovering around the bubble key wins matter for not just getting in but seeding.
Is there a quota on number from each conference? No, but there is a quota for number that get in. And the best way to separate yourself is to beat more quality teams than other teams. While also not losing to trash teams and/or only beating garbage.
I wanna see Nova steam roll in non con. I would prefer to not have Xavier lose to damn Toledo. But if SHU loses to UL, yeah I am good with it.
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On the flip side, if MU and SHU(or Xavier, Providence, Uconn) are all hovering around the bubble key wins matter for not just getting in but seeding.
Is there a quota on number from each conference? No, but there is a quota for number that get in. And the best way to separate yourself is to beat more quality teams than other teams. While also not losing to trash teams and/or only beating garbage.
This ignores the (likely IMHO) possibility that Louisville will also be on the bubble and is getting a quality win over Seton Hall. I think that nullifies any value Seton Hall losing has and has the added detriment of negatively impacting our SOS.
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As long as Willard is the coach, SHU going 0-fer is fine with me.
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So just to be clear: this guy getting injured for Seton Hall will hurt our seeding?
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This ignores the (likely IMHO) possibility that Louisville will also be on the bubble and is getting a quality win over Seton Hall. I think that nullifies any value Seton Hall losing has and has the added detriment of negatively impacting our SOS.
Yup that is definitely true too. This early in the year its truly impossible to know which teams are gonna really need wins.
The one thing we do know is 3-7/8 in the BE could be really jumbled. And we are all gonna play each other twice(COVID willing) so getting a leg up on a 5 bubblish teams entering conference play is a quality start.
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Yup that is definitely true too. This early in the year its truly impossible to know which teams are gonna really need wins.
The one thing we do know is 3-7/8 in the BE could be really jumbled. And we are all gonna play each other twice(COVID willing) so getting a leg up on a 5 bubblish teams entering conference play is a quality start.
Yeah I don’t think you understand how this works.
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Yeah I don’t think you understand how this works.
No I understand exactly how this works
If you can't understand, thats your own issue
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No I understand exactly how this works
No. You clearly don't.
Marquette isn't judged only against teams in the Big East. They are judged against teams throughout all of Division 1. So it is way too early to know if Seton Hall, Louisville, etc. are going to be on the bubble with Marquette or not. And if they are, where those teams are placed in their respective conferences isn't at all relevant.
But what we DO know, is that a Seton Hall team with a stronger record helps Marquette. It makes a win against them a better win, and/or a loss against them a better loss. And since they will (hopefully) play them 2 times, and possibly 3, that gives Marquette three opportunities to play a stronger team. They won't get any chance to play Louisville.
So, if you DID understand this, you would realize that you should want every Big East team to win every non-conference game.
Because...you know...math.
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No. You clearly don't.
Marquette isn't judged only against teams in the Big East. They are judged against teams throughout all of Division 1. So it is way too early to know if Seton Hall, Louisville, etc. are going to be on the bubble with Marquette or not. And if they are, where those teams are placed in their respective conferences isn't at all relevant.
But what we DO know, is that a Seton Hall team with a stronger record helps Marquette. It makes a win against them a better win, and/or a loss against them a better loss. And since they will (hopefully) play them 2 times, and possibly 3, that gives Marquette three opportunities to play a stronger team. They won't get any chance to play Louisville.
So, if you DID understand this, you would realize that you should want every Big East team to win every non-conference game.
Because...you know...math.
LOL clearly reading is hard for you. And per usual you are looking for arguments for the sake of it(very poorly might I add). I already said(in the post you quoted) its far too early.
You seem to be under the impression per your original post that "strength of schedule" is all that matters. Wrong. Extremely, wrong actually.
You have to beat good teams. Quality wins matter. Pounding teams matter. Playing good teams matters. Winning games matters.
I said selection AND SEEDING. Again, reading. You have to be able to do it to be on a message board.
If you think SHU losing to Louisville is going to be what keeps us out of the tournament or knocks us down a seed line. You really do not know how this works. And thats also not good outlook for our chances.
There is a far, far superior chance that in a jumbled Big East. Marquette winning their big non con games while the teams we are jumbled with didn't helps separate us.
Hall losing by 1 to UL isn't destroying our net ranking or SOS. And them winning by 1 isn't boosting us to some promised land.
Like I said, you are looking to argue for the sake of arguing.
I understand perfectly how the selection process goes. A process that greatly takes a look at who you beat and didn't beat outside of conference play.
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LOL clearly reading is hard for you. And per usual you are looking for arguments for the sake of it(very poorly might I add). I already said(in the post you quoted) its far too early.
You seem to be under the impression per your original post that "strength of schedule" is all that matters. Wrong. Extremely, wrong actually.
You have to beat good teams. Quality wins matter. Pounding teams matter. Playing good teams matters. Winning games matters.
I said selection AND SEEDING. Again, reading. You have to be able to do it to be on a message board.
If you think SHU losing to Louisville is going to be what keeps us out of the tournament or knocks us down a seed line. You really do not know how this works. And thats also not good outlook for our chances.
There is a far, far superior chance that in a jumbled Big East. Marquette winning their big non con games while the teams we are jumbled with didn't helps separate us.
Hall losing by 1 to UL isn't destroying our net ranking or SOS. And them winning by 1 isn't boosting us to some promised land.
Like I said, you are looking to argue for the sake of arguing.
I understand perfectly how the selection process goes. A process that greatly takes a look at who you beat and didn't beat outside of conference play.
No. Again, you don't understand.
You did get one thing right. Beating good teams matters. And Marquette will have an opportunity to beat a Seton Hall rated BETTER because they beat a Louisville team, instead of losing to one.
And dismissing me because I'm running laps around you is very transparent. Just throw up the white flag already. Or don't and I can rip another hole in your bad argument. The choice is yours.
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No. Again, you don't understand.
You did get one thing right. Beating good teams matters. And Marquette will have an opportunity to beat a Seton Hall rated BETTER because they beat a Louisville team, instead of losing to one.
And dismissing me because I'm running laps around you is very transparent. Just throw up the white flag already. Or don't and I can rip another hole in your bad argument. The choice is yours.
No I do understand.
lol someone that is creating their own arguments for the sake of doing it. Then trying to claim victory is a defeated man.l
You haven't got anything right. So I guess you awarded me 1, to your 0.
Now, take your daily asperger outburst somewhere else.
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No I do understand.
lol someone that is creating their own arguments for the sake of doing it. Then trying to claim victory is a defeated man.l
You haven't got anything right. So I guess you awarded me 1, to your 0.
Now, take your daily asperger outburst somewhere else.
Classy.
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Classy.
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I think it’s about time you tap out.
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Not me.
I want the BE as a whole to do really well. But when we are a projected mid pack BE bubble team. We need to differentiate ourselves as much as possible. So for example, MU getting wins against Ok state and/or Wisconsin while SHU drops one to UL. That gives us a bit of an edge.
Otherwise everything will just be a free for all in conference and come down to the standings in exact order.
The Big East needs to get as many NCAA bids as possible. MU has a better chance of making NCAA, if the Big East gets 6 or 7 bids than it does if it gets only four bids. We need to root for every Big East team to win in non-conference.
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The Big East needs to get as many NCAA bids as possible. MU has a better chance of making NCAA, if the Big East gets 6 or 7 bids than it does if it gets only four bids. We need to root for every Big East team to win in non-conference.
Every year I root for the entire Big East in non conference to win big in every game. This helps every team in the league. We then have the advantage of a 20 game conference schedule with no weak teams anywhere. The strong non conference performance puts our league in a position to get the maximum of bids because every team starts out in higher position in the NET rankings relative to those in other leagues.
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Going to overtime on ESPNU.
Virginia Tech 64 #3 Villanova 64.
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Wow, what an ending to Villanova v Virginia Tech.
Virginia Tech takes the lead by one with 1.3 seconds left. They get a FT and try to intentionally miss it. They bank it in accidentally, and go up 2.
On the in bounds pass 94 feet away, Villanova sets a screen on the player guarding the inbound. Defender never saw the screen and knocks over the screener. At first the call goes against Villanova's screener. Then it is reversed to go against Virginia Tech. Villanova sinks 2 FT's to tie the game to go to OT.
ESPNU.
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Nova never really got going in overtime. Tough loss for them
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Now that is a loss that we did not need.
Thought Nova was a bit overrated for the early part of the year, but thats rough.
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a few Nova fans were complaining of their lack of depth and athleticism on the post game thread on reddit. Samuels in particular was getting the brunt of some backlash.
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The early returns from the Big East are...not great. But I also think a weird or uninspiring start to this season is not wholly expected, given the circumstances.
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Walton is going to make me mute the Providence/IU game. Although if the Friars don't pull it together, this one won't be worth watching.
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Providence not very good right now, no offensive players right now, athletic as usual
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Either IU is really good or Providence is overrated. Or it is just one of those games. IU is playing better defense, crashing the offensive boards. Providence looks like EIU right now.
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Crappy Providence offense? Just like every year. Believe it was TAMU or Brew that noted when Cooley slowed them to Badger pace of play, they improved quite a bit offensively. Before that, they had been a bad offensive team for years under Cooley
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providence is mediocre? do bears crap in the woods? unreal
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Either IU is really good or Providence is overrated. Or it is just one of those games. IU is playing better defense, crashing the offensive boards. Providence looks like EIU right now.
Providence way overrated, IU is good but not great
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providence is mediocre? do bears crap in the woods? unreal
Yeah, one of my favorite Scoopisms is reading posters who praise Cooley, but rip on Wojo (eg, Herman), when Ed is at best slightly better than Wojo. About the same record with ONE tournament win.
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Way too small of a sample size right now, but PC looks like what a lot of us thought they would. A team that lost over 60% of their minutes. They will get better as the season progresses, but you can't fix outside shooting problems (Duke aside) without bringing in better shooters.
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Yeah, one of my favorite Scoopisms is reading posters who praise Cooley, but rip on Wojo (eg, Herman), when Ed is at best slightly better than Wojo. About the same record with ONE tournament win.
This.
Now I’ll accept that MU should aspire to be more than Providence, but there is zero evidence that Cooley is “better” than Wojo.
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St. John's has canceled its Big East vs Big 12 game with Texas Tech because of the COVID.
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When MU got rolled like this at Assembly Hall, scoop lost their collective mind.
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Walton is going to make me mute the Providence/IU game. Although if the Friars don't pull it together, this one won't be worth watching.
I like listening to Walton. He has a different way of looking at things.
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This.
Now I’ll accept that MU should aspire to be more than Providence, but there is zero evidence that Cooley is “better” than Wojo.
Cooley's teams get better as the year goes on. I think the big difference between Wojo and Cooley is that Wojo is an offensive minded coach and Cooley is a defensive minded coach. As defenses improve throughout the season offensive minded teams become less successful. Neither coach has had teams good enough to win in NCAA tournament. The winning teams in the tournament are good on both offense and defense. Wojo's teams are good on offense and lose because of defense and Cooley's teams lose because of offense.
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walton sounds like hes rocky mountain high eh
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St. John's has canceled its Big East vs Big 12 game with Texas Tech because of the COVID.
Can't be because of COVID. St. John's is to play BYU at Mohegan Sun on Thursday
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Can't be because of COVID. St. John's is to play BYU at Mohegan Sun on Thursday
Straight from the horse's mouth:
"St. John's top priority is to best ensure ways to minimize risks associated with this global pandemic for both our University community and public health. The University's COVID-19 management team in consultation with local health experts came to this decision. In the end and with profound disappointment, the gravity of the concerns outweighed the excitement and opportunity to play this game," – St. John's University statement.
https://redstormsports.com/news/2020/11/30/mens-basketball-st-johns-contest-at-texas-tech-canceled.aspx
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Cooley's teams get better as the year goes on. I think the big difference between Wojo and Cooley is that Wojo is an offensive minded coach and Cooley is a defensive minded coach. As defenses improve throughout the season offensive minded teams become less successful. Neither coach has had teams good enough to win in NCAA tournament. The winning teams in the tournament are good on both offense and defense. Wojo's teams are good on offense and lose because of defense and Cooley's teams lose because of offense.
Going back to 2014, here is how Cooley’s Providence teams have finished:
2014: 10-8 in league, 5-5 last 10 win BET to get an at-large 11-seed
2015: 11-7 in league, 5-5 last 10, bounced by Dayton as a 6-seed
2016: 10-8 in league, 5-5 last 10, earn a 9-seed and beat USC in Round of 64 before losing to UNC in Round of 32
2017: 10-8 in league, finish year winning 6 straight to save season but lose in BET opener to Creighton and 1st round of NCAA as 11-seed
2018: 10-8 in league, 5-5 last 10 (5-7 last 12) but make BET final playing 3 straight OT games including a loss in the final, bounced as 10 seed in NCAA opener
2019: 7-11 in league, finished 5-5 last 10
2020:: 14-6 in league, finished by winning 6 straight
I don’t buy that his teams get better as the season moves along. Even if we argue they do based on 2 years of success, it hasn’t translated beyond the end of the regular season.
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I think Ed Cooley is a very good coach and great for Providence but all coaches have flaws and warts. Sometimes, we don’t see them from across the road
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Bottom line, today Providence looked terrible.
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Can't be because of COVID. St. John's is to play BYU at Mohegan Sun on Thursday
It's likely covid positive % rate in Lubbock, combined with the fact that they're currently short 24 ICU beds:
https://ci.lubbock.tx.us/departments/health-department/about-us/coronavirus-disease-2019-covid-19
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Going back to 2014, here is how Cooley’s Providence teams have finished:
2014: 10-8 in league, 5-5 last 10 win BET to get an at-large 11-seed
2015: 11-7 in league, 5-5 last 10, bounced by Dayton as a 6-seed
2016: 10-8 in league, 5-5 last 10, earn a 9-seed and beat USC in Round of 64 before losing to UNC in Round of 32
2017: 10-8 in league, finish year winning 6 straight to save season but lose in BET opener to Creighton and 1st round of NCAA as 11-seed
2018: 10-8 in league, 5-5 last 10 (5-7 last 12) but make BET final playing 3 straight OT games including a loss in the final, bounced as 10 seed in NCAA opener
2019: 7-11 in league, finished 5-5 last 10
2020:: 14-6 in league, finished by winning 6 straight
I don’t buy that his teams get better as the season moves along. Even if we argue they do based on 2 years of success, it hasn’t translated beyond the end of the regular season.
6 of last 7 years (including 2020) in the tournament and one sub-500 BE record.
Few tourney wins, but I would prefer conversations about a lack of tournament wins rather than about lack of tourney appearances.
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Yep. Fine. I was thinking in how it was said because of the cancelled game versus Texas Tech was St. John’s having a positive case on it's team. Meaning the reason as not Covid. Vanderbilt was out. St. John’s wanted to save some money for a long flight and took the game in Connecticut versus BYU.
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Going back to 2014, here is how Cooley’s Providence teams have finished:
2014: 10-8 in league, 5-5 last 10 win BET to get an at-large 11-seed
2015: 11-7 in league, 5-5 last 10, bounced by Dayton as a 6-seed
2016: 10-8 in league, 5-5 last 10, earn a 9-seed and beat USC in Round of 64 before losing to UNC in Round of 32
2017: 10-8 in league, finish year winning 6 straight to save season but lose in BET opener to Creighton and 1st round of NCAA as 11-seed
2018: 10-8 in league, 5-5 last 10 (5-7 last 12) but make BET final playing 3 straight OT games including a loss in the final, bounced as 10 seed in NCAA opener
2019: 7-11 in league, finished 5-5 last 10
2020:: 14-6 in league, finished by winning 6 straight
I don’t buy that his teams get better as the season moves along. Even if we argue they do based on 2 years of success, it hasn’t translated beyond the end of the regular season.
Rico
Using all the seasons you list, Cooley is 35-31 “early Big East”, 37-25 “late”. By winning %, that’s .530 early, .596 late. So solid improvement.
Using more recent data (last 4 years), he’s 19-23 early, 22-10 late - by winning %, .452 early, .687 late. IOW, remarkable improvement.
In the last 4 years
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Rico
Using all the seasons you list, Cooley is 35-31 “early Big East”, 37-25 “late”. By winning %, that’s .530 early, .596 late. So solid improvement.
Using more recent data (last 4 years), he’s 19-23 early, 22-10 late - by winning %, .452 early, .687 late. IOW, remarkable improvement.
In the last 4 years
2 of those seasons include 6 game winning streaks to close the year. The other 5, he was .500 to close the season. We didn’t get to see how last year ended but 2017 ended with two consecutive losses. One in the BET and the other in the NCAA as a 10-seed.
His offensive approach hasn’t gotten better through the years, in fact, it’s gotten worse. They took the air out of the ball last year and it worked to their advantage. Credit to him and his staff.
I’m not throwing out the two hot finishes but in the last 7 years but there’s also ample evidence his teams sputtered to end the year as much as got better. Maybe the better argument is, they often remained the same
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Johnnies up 52-40 at half after a slow start against BC. Posh Alexander is the real deal.
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Yeah, one of my favorite Scoopisms is reading posters who praise Cooley, but rip on Wojo (eg, Herman), when Ed is at best slightly better than Wojo. About the same record with ONE tournament win.
Yep. Providence has finished worse than Marquette in Kenpom four years in a row. Marquette has finished top 35 three of those years. Providence's best finish is 40th.
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6 of last 7 years (including 2020) in the tournament and one sub-500 BE record.
Few tourney wins, but I would prefer conversations about a lack of tournament wins rather than about lack of tourney appearances.
So...Cooley has been there 9 years. 6 of the last 7 years they have made the tournament. Missed the NCAA in his first two seasons.
Is that all that different than Wojo who missed the tournament in his first two years and now has made it 3 of 4 (including 2020)?
Providence in the past 7 years has had seeds of 11, 6, 9, 11, 10, miss, 8 (projected). Marquette after Wojo's first 2 years has gone 10, miss, 5, 9 (projected). I don't see much difference unless Wojo drops off significantly.
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Yeah, one of my favorite Scoopisms is reading posters who praise Cooley, but rip on Wojo (eg, Herman), when Ed is at best slightly better than Wojo. About the same record with ONE tournament win.
They’re very close if you don’t add any context - history, budget, state of program prior to their arrivals, etc. Expectations are higher at N Carolina than at NC State, at Kansas than at Kansas St., etc. for a reason. Being as good (or almost as good) as an inferior program in your conference means that you’re underachieving, your competitor is overachieving or a little of both.
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They’re very close if you don’t add any context - history, budget, state of program prior to their arrivals, etc. Expectations are higher at N Carolina than at NC State, at Kansas than at Kansas St., etc. for a reason. Being as good (or almost as good) as an inferior program in your conference means that you’re underachieving, your competitor is overachieving or a little of both.
As I said, NoJos will always find a reason to NoJo. Fundamentally the programs aren’t much different.
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As I said, NoJos will always find a reason to NoJo. Fundamentally the programs aren’t much different.
Even Projos recognize that it’s time to step it up several notches. Comparing ourselves to Providence is demoralizing. Stating Cooley is unequivocally a better coach than Wojo is also not a lock depending on the stats you like to use. My hope is that in the next several years these comparisons will seem foolish. Wojo needs to start this year though by making the tournament and winning at least one game. Too much talent to not take advantage of it. Give MU fans something to start rooting for you (Wojo).
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They’re very close if you don’t add any context - history, budget, state of program prior to their arrivals, etc. Expectations are higher at N Carolina than at NC State, at Kansas than at Kansas St., etc. for a reason. Being as good (or almost as good) as an inferior program in your conference means that you’re underachieving, your competitor is overachieving or a little of both.
How many games does "history" win exactly? Asking for friends named Temple and Western Kentucky.
And how does Providence's budget stack up to Marquette's? Can't be too far off, given that Cooley makes way more than Wojo.
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Even Projos recognize that it’s time to step it up several notches. Comparing ourselves to Providence is demoralizing. Stating Cooley is unequivocally a better coach than Wojo is also not a lock depending on the stats you like to use. My hope is that in the next several years these comparisons will seem foolish. Wojo needs to start this year though by making the tournament and winning at least one game. Too much talent to not take advantage of it. Give MU fans something to start rooting for you (Wojo).
It's time for Wojo to step it up. No doubt. But by "stepping up" I mean differentiating yourself from the Ed Cooleys of the profession.
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As I said, NoJos will always find a reason to NoJo. Fundamentally the programs aren’t much different.
If you think one has to be a nojo to point out that the bar at Marquette is and should be higher than the one at Providence I’m a bit flummoxed. Anyone who has ever followed college basketball knows that.
I’m not a nojo, but like you (at least until a recent epiphany?) the evidence makes me lean strongly that way. If indeed the Marquette program has fallen and is now basically Providence that would be the proverbial nail in the coffin.
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So...Cooley has been there 9 years. 6 of the last 7 years they have made the tournament. Missed the NCAA in his first two seasons.
Is that all that different than Wojo who missed the tournament in his first two years and now has made it 3 of 4 (including 2020)?
Providence in the past 7 years has had seeds of 11, 6, 9, 11, 10, miss, 8 (projected). Marquette after Wojo's first 2 years has gone 10, miss, 5, 9 (projected). I don't see much difference unless Wojo drops off significantly.
MU was 8-10 this year in conference with an All American. I have always contended that sub-500 teams should not make the NCAA as an at large.
If year 7 goes great then awesome! But when Providence edges out MU for more then a year or two, then the program is dead in the water.
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If you think one has to be a nojo to point out that the bar at Marquette is and should be higher than the one at Providence I’m a bit flummoxed. Anyone who has ever followed college basketball knows that.
I’m not a nojo, but like you (at least until a recent epiphany?) the evidence makes me lean strongly that way. If indeed the Marquette program has fallen and is now basically Providence that would be the proverbial nail in the coffin.
Why would two teams from the same conferences have fundamentally different bars? Why should Providence be satisfied with Ed Cooley's performance?
Anyway, my point is that Wojo and Cooley aren't really all that different. If you swap them, the results would be similar.
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MU was 8-10 this year in conference with an All American. I have always contended that sub-500 teams should not make the NCAA as an at large.
Good thing your arbitrary rules are just that.
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Why would two teams from the same conferences have fundamentally different bars? Why should Providence be satisfied with Ed Cooley's performance?
Anyway, my point is that Wojo and Cooley aren't really all that different. If you swap them, the results would be similar.
Cooley achieving at Providence is more difficult then succeeding at MU. Only Georgetown has underperformed program expectations more than MU in the new BE.
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Cooley achieving at Providence is more difficult then succeeding at MU.
Why? Does he have less scholarships? Does he have to coach with one hand tied behind his back?
They are similarly resourced programs with similar exposure. (And yes, Providence charters jets everywhere just like Marquette does.) Neither of them are considered "elite" and don't generally get one and dones. They are typical, good but not great, Power 6 programs.
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Cooley achieving at Providence is more difficult then succeeding at MU. Only Georgetown has underperformed program expectations more than MU in the new BE.
First - I agree Cooley and Wojo are roughly similar at this point in their careers (success wise). But now the contention is that if you were to drop Cooley @ Marquette he would be more successful? That's a big mental hurdle for me to get over. Providence is a BE level program, spending BE level money, competing for BE level recruits. Does MU have more history, yes. But HS kids don't give many sh1ts to 1970s history.
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Eastern Kentucky and Xavier headed to overtime after EKU hit a three with 0.3 left.
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First - I agree Cooley and Wojo are roughly similar at this point in their careers (success wise). But now the contention is that if you were to drop Cooley @ Marquette he would be more successful? That's a big mental hurdle for me to get over. Providence is a BE level program, spending BE level money, competing for BE level recruits. Does MU have more history, yes. But HS kids don't give many sh1ts to 1970s history.
Or 1997 or 2007.
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Here is we can all agree: Over the past four years, Wojo is 11-17 in toughly the last month of BE games (7 games per season), or 39%. He has been much better the first time through the conference than Cooley, but the 2nd time through, MU seems to struggle.
Where we might not agree is why? I think he becomes too much a slave to his Duke system and doesn't throw a ton of new wrinkles in on the round trip...plus, his core has been dinged up as he shortens his bench. I think the team depth gives him more this year in his tool kit and I have seen some new looks already.
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SJU looking good today. Fun to watch also. X struggling but looks like they'll survive in OT against EKU.
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X dodges an RPG, not just a bullet.
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Wow—that X press break was brutal.
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Xavier has looked just awful since their first game blowout win against Oakland. These past three game have been wins for them but they’ve been bad in all of them
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Willard needs a lesson in how to wear a mask.
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How many games does "history" win exactly? Asking for friends named Temple and Western Kentucky.
LOL. When was the last time Temple and Western Kentucky went S16, S16 and E8? That was Marquette in 3 of the 4 years before Wojo arrived. When was the last time Temple or Western Kentucky make the Final Four? That was Marquette 11 years BW (before Wojo).
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Yea X looks bad. This isn’t even the good directional Kentucky.
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Willard needs a lesson in how to wear a mask.
Hopefully he doesn't get the lesson from Pitino, who thinks his mask is a chinstrap.
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Seton Hall down 9 to the Fightin' Pitinos late in the first half. Though as I type this the Hall is going on a run to close the gap before the half
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Seton Hall down 9 to the Fightin' Pitinos late in the first half. Though as I type this the Hall is going on a run to close the gap before the half
Put some money on Iona at +18.
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I am sticking with what I said earlier in this thread ... and in the other 4 or 5 threads that devolved into a Wojo vs Cooley debate:
I have seen no evidence that Cooley is a better coach than Wojo.
If the argument is that the MU coach automatically should have more success than the Providence coach — regardless of who the coaches are — just because he’s at Marquette, that’s a different debate.
I like to think Marquette is a better program — a better blank canvas for any artist — but I admit I’m biased.
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Seton Hall now up 9. Iona’s PG just threw a terrible, lazy pass that SH stole and turned into a 2-on-1 dunk. It was a 2-on-1 because the Iona player the pass was intended for barely jogged back on D. Pitino not happy.
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LOL. When was the last time Temple and Western Kentucky went S16, S16 and E8? That was Marquette in 3 of the 4 years before Wojo arrived. When was the last time Temple or Western Kentucky make the Final Four? That was Marquette 11 years BW (before Wojo).
You got so very close to the point ... and then blew past it completely.
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Cooley is one of the more entertaining coaches in College Basketball. Very happy he is coaching in our league and wish him well except when he is playing MU.
Providence basic problem over the years is they haven’t had a lot of good three point shooters in a sport that has moved in that direction . Nonetheless they figure out ways to win.
I always look forward to MU games with The Friars
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Willard needs a lesson in how to wear a mask.
Lots of coaches (and players) need a lesson in how to wear a mask. The average Joe at my nearby grocery store does better than what I have seen at games.
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I like listening to Walton. He has a different way of looking at things.
Agreed, always entertaining stream of consciousness
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Xavier has looked just awful since their first game blowout win against Oakland. These past three game have been wins for them but they’ve been bad in all of them
Interestingly, Oakland took Michigan to overtime on Sunday. Early season high variance. Don’t think it’s abnormal at all, TBH. Get some wins, test yourself and build the resume.
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And I think the variance is higher this year than normal.
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Xavier has looked just awful since their first game blowout win against Oakland. These past three game have been wins for them but they’ve been bad in all of them
They didn't foul either while up 3 with 3.4 seconds to go in the game. EKU player made a 3 to go to OT.
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Navy 78 Georgetown 71 Final.
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can prov play one complete game already jeez. duke aint look like a first rounder
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We certainly had our struggles last night but, StJ just lost to BYU, PC is struggling, X has been flirting with disaster for a while now, Gtown lost to Navy and are in full rebuild mode, BU looked far from convincing in their one game and DePaul technically hasn't lost yet. Whole conference seems to be down, and TBH this probably isn't a bad year for that to happen.
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We certainly had our struggles last night but, StJ just lost to BYU, PC is struggling, X has been flirting with disaster for a while now, Gtown lost to Navy and are in full rebuild mode, BU looked far from convincing in their one game and DePaul technically hasn't lost yet. Whole conference seems to be down, and TBH this probably isn't a bad year for that to happen.
That's why I thought it was pretty much Nova then a mass of who the hell knows. Of course, now even 'Nova has a loss.
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We certainly had our struggles last night but, StJ just lost to BYU, PC is struggling, X has been flirting with disaster for a while now, Gtown lost to Navy and are in full rebuild mode, BU looked far from convincing in their one game and DePaul technically hasn't lost yet. Whole conference seems to be down, and TBH this probably isn't a bad year for that to happen.
Early results for the Big East have been really poor. With fewer chances at quality non-con wins it will be interesting how many bids the Big East gets this year. Not looking good at this point.
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Seton Hall lost to Rhode Island 76-63. Continues the rough start for the Big East
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Apparently, Wojo is doing a terrible job of coaching ALL the Big East teams.
It was only a matter of time before his malaise swept over the entire conference.
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Cooley and Co. lose again this time to ‘Bama. Not even close.
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It's looking like a down year for most of the Big East which likely means an up year for DePaul.
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I think a lot of Big East schools have had two week COVID breaks during their preseason practice. Losing 20 hours of practice is showing up on the floor.
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Big time woof start for the Big East.
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Big time woof start for the Big East.
The Big East is really hurting themselves in terms of tourney bids. 2-5 against high major opponents with 3 losses outside the high-majors. The league collectively has one top-50 win. With the shortened non-con, this is the type of performance that will lead to 3-4 bids.
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J5
I have not been on the site in awhile and always happy to see your using my Rick SLU line in your signature. Cannot believe it was nearly four years ago.
You can update it, I would take Rick’s MU program at the moment.
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UConn doesn't know how to attack a zone. Last 10 minutes of that game were unwatchable.
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UConn doesn't know how to attack a zone. Last 10 minutes of that game were unwatchable.
Very ugly. Glad they were able to hold on.
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J5
I have not been on the site in awhile and always happy to see your using my Rick SLU line in your signature. Cannot believe it was nearly four years ago.
You can update it, I would take Rick’s MU program at the moment.
And SLU is one of the dark horse candidates for a Dayton-like run this year.
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Why would two teams from the same conferences have fundamentally different bars? Why should Providence be satisfied with Ed Cooley's performance?
Anyway, my point is that Wojo and Cooley aren't really all that different. If you swap them, the results would be similar.
Fluff
You are right that Providence under Cooley and Marquette under Wojo are basically the same. Wojo is 51-57 in the Big East and Cooley is 60-48 over that span. They’re 6-6 head to head. So under Wojo we’re very similar programs.
BW (Before Wojo), we were in the Big East for 9 seasons (spanning 2 coaches) with Providence. Our conference record was 100-58 in those 9 seasons. Providence was 60-98. Head to head we were 11-2 versus the Friars. And only 2 years before we joined the Big East, MU was in the Final Four.
Cooley made a crummy program average, Wojo turned a really successful program into an average one. Context matters - advantage Cooley.
As to your first question - teams from the same conference have always had different bars. Expectations at Villanova, N Carolina, Kentucky, etc., are considerably higher than those at DePaul, Virginia Tech, Ole Miss, etc. - as they should be.
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Cooley made a crummy program average, Wojo turned a really successful program into an average one. Context matters - advantage Cooley.
Cooley overperforms with the talent he can recruit, Wojo slightly underperforms.
I'll leave St. John's and Georgetown out of this topic altogether.
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Cooley overperforms with the talent he can recruit, Wojo slightly underperforms.
I'll leave St. John's and Georgetown out of this topic altogether.
Umm I'd argue nobody in the conference has underperformed more than Cooley. He had a ridiculous couple classes the likes of which Providence has never seen and didn't go anywhere
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Cooley and Wojo have had strikingly similar results. Whether that's good enough for Scoopers is an altogether different discussion/debate. But to paint Cooley as a big success story and Wojo as a comparative failure (or vice versa) is just dopey. They are 6-6 against each other. That's pretty fitting. I want better from my MU coach, but again that isn't what people are discussing when they falsely claim that Cooley has outperformed Wojo.
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Lenny
Great post. Both guys had starting points and Wojo has taken MU backwards and Cooley has moved Providence upwards. Let’s face it, Wojo really has not accomplished any team success for the program. Has won some recruiting battles and has run a very clean program and that deserves to be acknowledged. Other than that, basically a bust.
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Cooley and Wojo have had strikingly similar results. Whether that's good enough for Scoopers is an altogether different discussion/debate. But to paint Cooley as a big success story and Wojo as a comparative failure (or vice versa) is just dopey. They are 6-6 against each other. That's pretty fitting. I want better from my MU coach, but again that isn't what people are discussing when they falsely claim that Cooley has outperformed Wojo.
Mike
You’re right that they have strikingly similar results. The point is that pre Cooley/Wojo the two programs had strikingly different results - Marquette dominated.
If the guy who succeeds Roy Williams at UNC goes .500 against a new coach at Wake Forest and both become middle of the pack ACC teams they won’t be considered “equals”. The former gets fired, the latter (if he isn’t poached by a better program) gets a statue.
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Cooley and Wojo have had strikingly similar results. Whether that's good enough for Scoopers is an altogether different discussion/debate. But to paint Cooley as a big success story and Wojo as a comparative failure (or vice versa) is just dopey. They are 6-6 against each other. That's pretty fitting. I want better from my MU coach, but again that isn't what people are discussing when they falsely claim that Cooley has outperformed Wojo.
Providence was 66-102 in conference in the decade leading up to Cooley.
Marquette was 107-67 in conference in the decade leading up to Wojo.
The fact that the two have converged in the middle should clear up your confusion as to why Cooley is held in higher regard.
If we have a race that's 3 miles long and you start a half mile behind me, but we still tie - I think it's safe to say you outperformed me.
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Providence was 66-102 in conference in the decade leading up to Cooley.
Marquette was 107-67 in conference in the decade leading up to Wojo.
The fact that the two have converged in the middle should clear up your confusion as to why Cooley is held in higher regard.
If we have a race that's 3 miles long and you start a half mile behind me, but we still tie - I think it's safe to say you outperformed me.
Maybe in year two or three. But both coaches have plateaued at the same place.
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Lenny
Great post. Both guys had starting points and Wojo has taken MU backwards and Cooley has moved Providence upwards. Let’s face it, Wojo really has not accomplished any team success for the program. Has won some recruiting battles and has run a very clean program and that deserves to be acknowledged. Other than that, basically a bust.
Buzz was much more successful on the court, but the University was not happy with the other stuff. As fans we want to win. The University is more concern with the image and I think this is appropriate. However, that does not mean we should strive for both goals.
Basically, I am not in the fire Wojo camp, because I do not have faith in the University successfully replacing him. We are most likely going to hire some unproven assistant coach.
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Maybe in year two or three. But both coaches have plateaued at the same place.
Year 2 or 3? Wasn't the ProJo mantra 5 years to judge? Also Ed Cooley has a BET championship and 5 tournament appearances in his first 7 years. Wojo has 2 tournament appearances (that probably could have been 3) and horrible showings in almost every BET.
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Buzz was much more successful on the court, but the University was not happy with the other stuff. As fans we want to win. The University is more concern with the image and I think this is appropriate. However, that does not mean we should strive for both goals.
Basically, I am not in the fire Wojo camp, because I do not have faith in the University successfully replacing him. We are most likely going to hire some unproven assistant coach.
2 of the last 3 of those turned out to be pretty good.
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2 of the last 3 of those turned out to be pretty good.
And the third hasn't been a disaster, just below expectations. I'm pretty confident that MU would hire an unproven assistant who would at minimum maintain the current results.
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Mike
You’re right that they have strikingly similar results. The point is that pre Cooley/Wojo the two programs had strikingly different results - Marquette dominated.
If the guy who succeeds Roy Williams at UNC goes .500 against a new coach at Wake Forest and both become middle of the pack ACC teams they won’t be considered “equals”. The former gets fired, the latter (if he isn’t poached by a better program) gets a statue.
Providence was 66-102 in conference in the decade leading up to Cooley.
Marquette was 107-67 in conference in the decade leading up to Wojo.
The fact that the two have converged in the middle should clear up your confusion as to why Cooley is held in higher regard.
If we have a race that's 3 miles long and you start a half mile behind me, but we still tie - I think it's safe to say you outperformed me.
Some good points by both of you.
Although I expect the Marquette coach to do better than the Providence coach (regardless of their names) and Wojo has not done so, I still see little evidence that Cooley has been "better."
I mean, Wojo is the worst coach in the history of mankind, and Cooley is only 6-6 against him. Nuff said ... Cooley should get fired immediately just for that total ineptitude!
Seriously, thanks for the interesting debate.
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Some good points by both of you.
Although I expect the Marquette coach to do better than the Providence coach (regardless of their names) and Wojo has not done so, I still see little evidence that Cooley has been "better."
I mean, Wojo is the worst coach in the history of mankind, and Cooley is only 6-6 against him. Nuff said ... Cooley should get fired immediately just for that total ineptitude!
Seriously, thanks for the interesting debate.
Agreed. We should never aspire to be on par with Providence.
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Some good points by both of you.
Although I expect the Marquette coach to do better than the Providence coach (regardless of their names) and Wojo has not done so, I still see little evidence that Cooley has been "better."
I mean, Wojo is the worst coach in the history of mankind, and Cooley is only 6-6 against him. Nuff said ... Cooley should get fired immediately just for that total ineptitude!
Seriously, thanks for the interesting debate.
Should we be more concerned that Wojo is 9-4 versus DePaul than 6-6 versus PC? Just askin'? ;D
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Should we be more concerned that Wojo is 9-4 versus DePaul than 6-6 versus PC? Just askin'? ;D
Probably.
We really should be concerned- period. Wojo has not done well enough.
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Should we be more concerned that Wojo is 9-4 versus DePaul than 6-6 versus PC? Just askin'? ;D
I'm mostly concerned about the depaul issue. There's fair to good case that Depaul has kept us out of the tournament once and arguable twice. Losing those games often as they have seems like lack of preparation.
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Lenny
Great post. Both guys had starting points and Wojo has taken MU backwards and Cooley has moved Providence upwards. Let’s face it, Wojo really has not accomplished any team success for the program. Has won some recruiting battles and has run a very clean program and that deserves to be acknowledged. Other than that, basically a bust.
Don’t post that on Dodds site or you will be banned for life!!
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Umm I'd argue nobody in the conference has underperformed more than Cooley. He had a ridiculous couple classes the likes of which Providence has never seen and didn't go anywhere
He won a Big East title in 2014. St. John's and Georgetown can't get out of the first round unless it's against each other.
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Oregon playing Seton Hall . Game at Creighton. Not sure why.
Playing in an empty arena. If fans were allowed the game would be sold out.
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Given to lack of other significant non-conference wins, I feel like our BEast brethren all owe us a thank you card.
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SH looking very meh against a fellow meh Oregon team. Think Mamu is having a tough transition from Robin to Batman, Powell opened a lot of space for him, and McKnight was able to find him. Without them...
UCONN gets an untested NC State team, and I'd take Nova over the fighting Shaka's this weekend. Great opportunity to see if CU is real next week too. Opportunities are still there, teams just gotta take em.
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I find it amusing that DePaul still hasn't played a game.
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If Seton Hall can’t somehow manage to come back here against Oregon then this Big East start somehow gets even uglier. Thank god for those Marquette fellows holding the fort
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SH falls to Oregon, and IMO the final flattered SH. They had a chance to cut it to a 1 possession game early in the 2nd half, but it just never felt like they could maintain any momentum. Until Aiken comes back it looks like they're only going 7 deep. I have no idea how bad his injury is, and you never wish for someone to get hurt, but if he's still out when they come to MKE in 2 weeks, I won't complain.
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Seton Hall was 14-24 from 3 and still lost by double digits. That doesn't happen often.
Of course winning when you go 10-28 from inside the arc doesn't happen often either.
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He won a Big East title in 2014. St. John's and Georgetown can't get out of the first round unless it's against each other.
Have you compared that against his classes and what his preseason rankings were? Just saying I really don't feel like he's been good
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Have you compared that against his classes and what his preseason rankings were? Just saying I really don't feel like he's been good
Considering Providence was a perennial doormat, he's been great. Though his job does get notably harder with UConn back in the Big East.
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I hope Seton Hall never wins another game except against Rutger
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Providence went 1-15 from 3 today and David Duke and Nate Watson combined to score 61% of the Friars points in a 12 point win over lowly Fairleigh Dickinson. They were tied at half and Providence didn't extend the lead to double digits until there was about 10 minutes left. From there the lead fluctuated between 8-14 points as the Friars never really pulled away.
Of course, if Cooley keeps up his trend he'll limp into Big East play, start off terrible and win 7 of 8 down the stretch to eek into the NCAAs. Knowing our luck, we'll play them twice during that 8 game stretch.
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Providence went 1-15 from 3 today and David Duke and Nate Watson combined to score 61% of the Friars points in a 12 point win over lowly Fairleigh Dickinson. They were tied at half and Providence didn't extend the lead to double digits until there was about 10 minutes left. From there the lead fluctuated between 8-14 points as the Friars never really pulled away.
Of course, if Cooley keeps up his trend he'll limp into Big East play, start off terrible and win 7 of 8 down the stretch to eek into the NCAAs. Knowing our luck, we'll play them twice during that 8 game stretch.
I believe several Scoopers showed that he is far more likely to go 4-4 at best in that stretch.
I’d love to play Cooley’s team twice then.
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David Duke's parents have a weird sense of humor....
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Oregon playing Seton Hall . Game at Creighton. Not sure why.
Playing in an empty arena. If fans were allowed the game would be sold out.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/ncaabk/seton-hall-heads-to-omaha-to-face-oregon/ar-BB1bDPBz
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Nice road win for ‘Nova.
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David Duke's parents have a weird sense of humor....
IIRC, it's a family name. He's like David Duke IV or something like that.
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Goofball former grand wizard unicorn lizard daivd duke is irrelevant now
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Good win for the university of Pennsylvania-Villanova today.
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IIRC, it's a family name. He's like David Duke IV or something like that.
I wondered if it might be something like that. Still...all that to make grandpa happy?
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Goofball former grand wizard unicorn lizard daivd duke is irrelevant now
So are Adolf Hitler and Charles Manson...but I wouldn't name a son either if I happened to have that last name.
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So are Adolf Hitler and Charles Manson...but I wouldn't name a son either if I happened to have that last name.
*Ahem*
https://www.newsweek.com/adolf-hitler-germany-namibia-elections-1552056 (https://www.newsweek.com/adolf-hitler-germany-namibia-elections-1552056)
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*Ahem*
https://www.newsweek.com/adolf-hitler-germany-namibia-elections-1552056 (https://www.newsweek.com/adolf-hitler-germany-namibia-elections-1552056)
Yeah, I saw that. Oof!
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Nice road win for ‘Nova.
Nova has a lot of ways to beat you.
Though some are lionizing Gillespie, I think he is a step below several of their other hyped PGs over the years, most notably Brunson, Arcidiacono and Lowry. Obviously, that doesn't mean he's not good, since those guys were great college PGs.
If our bigs set good screens up top and roll to the hoop, and if our guards quickly look to pass to our bigs on the post, we will get some really good mismatches of Lewis, Garcia and/or Theo on Gillespie or Swider, because Nova switches everything. Texas was a little too slow to recognize and take advantage of that. (Musta been the bad coaching - ha!)
Also, there is absolutely no reason to ever leave Swider open from 3. He is like a freshman Novak -- he won't beat anybody off the dribble, and he has one and only one role. An opponent can always take away a stationary 3-point shooter if it wants to; with Swider, we should want to.
Not sure how we're gonna contain JRE, and Moore is a big, strong, talented guard.
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Nova has a lot of ways to beat you.
Though some are lionizing Gillespie, I think he is a step below several of their other hyped PGs over the years, most notably Brunson, Arcidiacono and Lowry. Obviously, that doesn't mean he's not good, since those guys were great college PGs.
I think he looks great in comparison cause Daniels is not a lead guard at all at this point. So whenever Gillespie sits or doesn’t have the offense running through him, they really struggle offensively.
In other news, I watched Georgetown the first half today against WVU. Score aside, they stink. They look like a very good team at the Y. Very athletic, long, look the part. But play out of control, brick tons of shots, don’t finish well.
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Good win for Xavier at Cincinnati.
Georgetown leads West Virginia at halftime.
Iowa State basketball’s game with DePaul has been canceled, the program announced. The game was set to tipoff at 5 p.m. CT in Ames, but at 3:53 p.m. Iowa State announced the game had been canceled, “due to COVID-19 protocols inside the DePaul program.”
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I wonder when depaul will be able to play their first game
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If Greg Williams Jr keeps playing the way he is, St. John's will make the dance this season. I thought he could be good going into this season, but he's had a great start and has gotten better each game.
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St. John's is a fun team to watch.
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St. John's is a fun team to watch.
Since when? They were brutal to watch against BYU last week.
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UConn going on a COVID pause. Gotta bubble up for Big East play.
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UConn going on a COVID pause. Gotta bubble up for Big East play.
Sure, but who is going to pay for it? Sounds easy, but this ain’t the NBA.
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Seton Hall getting slapped around by Penn State.
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Sure, but who is going to pay for it? Sounds easy, but this ain’t the NBA.
Right. It’s probably cheaper to have a third of the games cancelled than go into a bubble.
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UConn going on a COVID pause. Gotta bubble up for Big East play.
I thought their game was canceled because of a positive test on NC State’s team.
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Seton Hall getting slapped around by Penn State.
Good. They could go 0-30 and I would think they had too good of season.
(now that UConn is here, this is a real conference again, we're getting back to hating people)
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Good. They could go 0-30 and I would think they had too good of season.
(now that UConn is here, this is a real conference again, we're getting back to hating people)
Completely agree, 1 win is 1 win too many ,U Conn has the most obnoxious fan base in the Big East.
One of my favorite U Conn games was when Junior hit the 3 at the buzzer to put it into overtime and then we got the win.
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When are they going to announce the rest of the BE schedule??
They trying to bubble or just camping on it for fun?
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I thought their game was canceled because of a positive test on NC State’s team.
This is correct.
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When are they going to announce the rest of the BE schedule??
They trying to bubble or just camping on it for fun?
Speaking of Camping, Lemonis oughta pony up the sponsorship for the bubble.
(Some in development are laughing right now)
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Impressive comeback by SHU.
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Cale misses a three at the buzzer after Willard calls a timeout. OT coming.
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SHU survives what was basically a must win
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Great day for the Big East Conference.
Underdogs. Villanova, Xavier and Seton Hall all won. Heck, Georgetown looked good for 34 minutes.
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Since when? They were brutal to watch against BYU last week.
That was a tough one for them because of BYU’s size inside. Haarms at 7-3 and a 6-11 dude made STJ settle for perimeter shots. Today’s game was more wide open and featured a 30-2 run and they’re doing this without their starting PG. I still don’t see them better than 6th in conference play.
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HUGE one for the BE tonight with #8 Creighton taking on #5 Kansas.
And just announced, DePaul pausing for two weeks and their first two BE games are postponed.
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Speaking of Camping, Lemonis oughta pony up the sponsorship for the bubble.
(Some in development are laughing right now)
Lemonis tight with his cash?
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Lemonis tight with his cash?
Ponied up for the Maui Invitational
https://mauiinvitational.com/news/2020/10/6/general-2020-maui-invitational-bracket-revealed.aspx
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And just announced, DePaul pausing for two weeks and their first two BE games are postponed.
DePaul's undefeated season continues.
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Knew that. Big advertising for him. But I was thinking about the MU development office comment. Why would people laugh at that? Just curious. I would never presume to tell people what to do with their money.
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Knew that. Big advertising for him. But I was thinking about the MU development office comment. Why would people laugh at that? Just curious. I would never presume to tell people what to do with their money.
Got you. Lens can comment but I am guessing that it is in regards to the proposed Biz Ad building.
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HUGE one for the BE tonight with #8 Creighton taking on #5 Kansas.
And just announced, DePaul pausing for two weeks and their first two BE games are postponed.
So they paused...started up just long enough to travel to Ames then cancel the game...then traveled back home to pause?
DePaul being DePaul.
The DePaul fan must be getting antsy....
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With DePaul and UConn paused, I hope they get Georgetown and SJU together for an additional game.
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With DePaul and UConn paused, I hope they get Georgetown and SJU together for an additional game.
I don't know about an additional game, but I wondered if it would make sense to play this game now so they can try to reschedule one of the cancelled games for the timeslot that Georgetown vs. SJU would have taken up
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I don't know about an additional game, but I wondered if it would make sense to play this game now so they can try to reschedule one of the cancelled games for the timeslot that Georgetown vs. SJU would have taken up
Not a bad idea. You and a future opponent both have an unexpected open date, so you might as well play it now if logistics allow...because you don't know if you'll be able to play it when the scheduled date arrives.
Play it while you still can....
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With DePaul and UConn paused, I hope they get Georgetown and SJU together for an additional game.
They did reschedule those two to play when they were supposed to play depaul and uconn, respectively. Hopefully they can do the same for those two on covid break now.
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Creighton down 4 vs Kansas at half: 39-35 Kansas. Creighton looks really good. If we have a chance we are going to have to slow them down. Do we play them at home or there? On ESPN if interested.
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Conference opponent. Theoretically both.
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Our first BE game is in Omaha. No fans... I tried
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Creighton's zone looks good. This is gonna be a really rough matchup.
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Creighton's zone looks good. This is gonna be a really rough matchup.
Need to work on getting the ball inside. McCormack was eating them up early and has had plenty of good looks that just weren't falling. Theo and Lewis could do some work inside.
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Ouch. Missed free throw to lose it for Creighton
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Creighton gets close but not quite there. Zegarowski misses the third of three free throws at the buzzer that would've tied it and forced overtime. A lot of threes that were in and out for Mitch Ballock. Creighton's zone is solid, but they really struggle with any interior offense and are not good rebounding the ball. It's not just the zone, they allowed balls to get ripped out of their hands too. Gotta get the ball to the interior against them.
Also...Jalen Wilson, who we recruited, was huge for Kansas. Really good player. Another guy Wojo wanted that looks like he's going to be a star, but ended up elsewhere.
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zig aint the best player in the big east. guy aint even top 5
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Really nice of the refs to ice Zegarowski at the line.
SH continues to be SH. Mamu gets tossed in a blowout for being a complete tool.
Unrelated, one thing I’ve always found so bizarre. Watching these non con blowouts, last 5 min, coaches have their team be “classy” and kill 25 seconds of the clock before trying to score, in essence letting up on an outmatched opponent, but nearly all of them are then working the ball around for a 3. It seems completely counterintuitive
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Coppin State up three over Georgetown, mid 1st half.
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Really nice of the refs to ice Zegarowski at the line.
SH continues to be SH. Mamu gets tossed in a blowout for being a complete tool.
Unrelated, one thing I’ve always found so bizarre. Watching these non con blowouts, last 5 min, coaches have their team be “classy” and kill 25 seconds of the clock before trying to score, in essence letting up on an outmatched opponent, but nearly all of them are then working the ball around for a 3. It seems completely counterintuitive
He didn’t really get iced, given he made the first two following the pause in play.
Willard’s quote on the ejection is hilarious.
“It was a loose ball and the kid grabbed his shirt and just kind of ripped him down,” Pirates coach Kevin Willard said on his post-game radio interview. “Both kids stood up and both were p---ed off at each other. It was nothing bad….it was a basketball play.”
The defender tried to beat Mamu to a loose ball, fell as he was getting to it and like brushed against Mamu. Mamu then decided he was tough and stepped over him and stood there until the guy’s teammate came and shoved him off of him, who Mamu then head butted. Willard is why SHU is the way they are.
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what did mamu do?
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what did mamu do?
Sorry I edited my post right above yours. Willard’s quote is comical.
https://mobile.twitter.com/CBBonFOX/status/1336450892699217926
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Our first BE game is in Omaha. No fans... I tried
Probably helps us. It will only be our second road game, and their fans can get really loud.
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iowa playin like its 1966 out there eh? :p
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St. John’s down 4 at the under-8 in the second half to Rider. Not the truck or JR
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G’Town rolls Coppin State and looks like the Johnnies will hold off Rider
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82-79 win for St. John's. 18-9 run to close it out.
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Looks like Depaul will remain 0 - 0 for at least another week.
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/30479616/depaul-postpones-dec-14-men-basketball-game-no-9-villanova
DePaul says its men's basketball game against No. 9 Villanova on Dec. 14 has been postponed.
The announcement from the school Tuesday followed an earlier announcement by the Big East that the Blue Demons would not play Seton Hall on Friday.
DePaul has paused team activities because of positive COVID-19 tests in the program. The Blue Demons have yet to play a game in a season that was scheduled to open two weeks ago.
Seven games have been postponed or canceled, including one at Iowa State that got called off shortly before tipoff on Sunday. Games against Western Illinois, Chicago State and Alcorn State were canceled, and one against Northern Illinois scheduled for Dec. 3 was postponed.
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Teams are going to have such unbalanced resumes this year - some teams won't make the minimum game cut, some will be just there, and some will probably be close to a full schedule. What a weird year.
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Xavier looking much better against their two high major opponents than they did against their mid/low major opponents. Feels like Nova and Creighton will fight for the BE title, Georgetown will come in last, and everyone else could be fighting for 3-10. Would love it if DePaul and Seton Hall would claim 9-10 by a wide margin.
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Looks like Depaul will remain 0 - 0
Same as MU football
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Nice to see PC and X pick up wins in Big East-Big 12 Challenge. So assuming DePaul does not play its game we ended up 3-4 not bad considering how it started.
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Nice to see PC and X pick up wins in Big East-Big 12 Challenge. So assuming DePaul does not play its game we ended up 3-4 not bad considering how it started.
3-3*
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Same as MU football
How dare you compare MU football to Depaul basketball!!
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Xavier looking much better against their two high major opponents than they did against their mid/low major opponents. Feels like Nova and Creighton will fight for the BE title, Georgetown will come in last, and everyone else could be fighting for 3-10. Would love it if DePaul and Seton Hall would claim 9-10 by a wide margin.
Who do you have in 11th place? ;)
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Who do you have in 11th place? ;)
Georgetown
Xavier looking much better against their two high major opponents than they did against their mid/low major opponents. Feels like Nova and Creighton will fight for the BE title, Georgetown will come in last, and everyone else could be fighting for 3-10. Would love it if DePaul and Seton Hall would claim 9-10 by a wide margin.
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3-3*
Even better. Must have counted a game not part of challenge.
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Mamu looks good. Aiken not back yet?
Color commentator (Lappas?) is terrible.
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Georgetown
What I’m seeing from Gtown right now against Nova makes me think otherwise. Impressive early on.
Playing on campus is really cool too. I’d like to see some games at the Al.
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nova sucks
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Xavier looking much better against their two high major opponents than they did against their mid/low major opponents. Feels like Nova and Creighton will fight for the BE title, Georgetown will come in last, and everyone else could be fighting for 3-10. Would love it if DePaul and Seton Hall would claim 9-10 by a wide margin.
In no particular order within the groupings:
Top tier: Nova, Creighton
Second tier: MU, UConn, X, SH
Third tier: SJU, PC, Gtown, DePaul, Butler
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Nebraska 29 #8 Creighton 28 on BTN.
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Hard to know who to root for. Is it better for the BE that our (projected) worst team can beat our best or that VU’s ranking hold up?
Seems to be closing so maybe academic.
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Gtown sucks
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Creighton going on big run against Nebraska. Always an amazing thing to see when Creighton gets hot.
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Nova is Nova. Georgetown is Georgetown.
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Nova is Nova. Georgetown is Georgetown.
They are who we thought they were
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Nova is Nova. Georgetown is Georgetown.
And Creighton is Creighton.
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What I’m seeing from Gtown right now against Nova makes me think otherwise. Impressive early on.
Playing on campus is really cool too. I’d like to see some games at the Al.
To be clear, I was just pointing out that Wade had selected Georgetown last....
....but the second half of that game shows why I agree with him
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Sorry if I missed.
Xavier shutting down for 2 weeks for a positive COVID test
https://goxavier.com/news/2020/12/11/xavier-mens-basketball-to-pause-mens-basketball-team-activities-due-to-covid-19-issue.aspx
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Well, that's gonna mess up our schedule. Sheesh!
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Now up to 4 teams. Butler, DePaul, UConn, and Xavier.
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Nova is Nova. Georgetown is Georgetown.
Georgetown was up big in the first half, and kept it pretty tight until the last couple minutes of the game. Georgetown was scarier than i thought they would be.
Nova closing the gap and taking the lead was really impressive. Jay Wright sure can coach, they came out in the 2nd half on fire
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To be clear, I was just pointing out that Wade had selected Georgetown last....
....but the second half of that game shows why I agree with him
I wasn’t quoting to argue with you, it was just the post on the current page.
I think Gtown is most likely to finish last, but there are a few candidates.
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Very exciting game. Georgetown beats St. John's in overtime 97-94.
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For all the Mike Anderson fans out there, SJU was up 9 in the 2nd half (also up 7 with under 3 minutes to go)and blew the game to the team projected to finish 11th.
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For all the Mike Anderson fans out there, SJU was up 9 in the 2nd half (also up 7 with under 3 minutes to go)and blew the game to the team projected to finish 11th.
I blame Wojo.
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Very exciting game. Georgetown beats St. John's in overtime 97-94.
Georgetown was bonkers this game. Georgetown only played 6 guys double digit minutes in an overtime game. Qudus Wahab was 1 BLOCK away from a triple double. Starting grad transfer Jalen Harris was injured so backup PG FR Dante Harris, the 410th ranked player in the 247 composite, starts and leads the team in both minutes and scoring. Georgetown's assumed best player, Jamarko Pickett, was mostly a non-factor. TJ Berger comes off the bench and hits 2 critical threes in only 8 minutes of action.
I honestly think this was the high water mark for Georgetown but that was fun.
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For all the Mike Anderson fans out there, SJU was up 9 in the 2nd half (also up 7 with under 3 minutes to go)and blew the game to the team projected to finish 11th.
Yep, Johnnies blew it, but I don’t know if it’s on Anderson. 2 turnovers in the backcourt on bad passes and a 24 foot guarded three by GT as the shot clock expired, and another bad backcourt TO in OT on a lazy pass. STJ with a lot of unforced errors.
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Yep, Johnnies blew it, but I don’t know if it’s on Anderson. 2 turnovers in the backcourt on bad passes and a 24 foot guarded three by GT as the shot clock expired, and another bad backcourt TO in OT on a lazy pass. STJ with a lot of unforced errors.
I have been told that that is bad coaching. Where have I heard that....
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Supposedly rest of Big East schedule releasing sometime today.
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Here's the release. No bubble and games pick up again Dec 30.
https://www.bigeast.com/news/2020/12/14/big-east-announces-remainder-of-mens-basketball-schedule.aspx
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Here's the release. No bubble and games pick up again Dec 30.
https://www.bigeast.com/news/2020/12/14/big-east-announces-remainder-of-mens-basketball-schedule.aspx
That is a FLURRY of games.
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December 14, 2020 Creighton Away
December 17, 2020 Seton Hall Home
December 20, 2020 Xavier Away
December 23, 2020 Villanova Home
January 2, 2021 Georgetown Away
January 5, 2021 Connecticut Home
January 8, 2021 Villanova Away
January 12, 2021 Providence Home
January 16, 2021 Saint John's Away
January 20, 2021 Georgetown Home
January 23, 2021 DePaul Home
January 27, 2021 Providence Away
February 2, 2021 Butler Home
February 6, 2021 Creighton Home
February 14, 2021 Seton Hall Away
February 17, 2021 Butler Away
February 20, 2021 Saint John's Home
February 27, 2021 Connecticut Away
March 2, 2021 DePaul Away
March 6, 2021 Xavier Home
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EpNq_cxXIAIa8LI?format=jpg&name=medium)
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That is a FLURRY of games.
In Feb., we have one stretch with 8 days between games and another with a week between games. Otherwise, it's bing-bang-boom, game after game.
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December 14, 2020 Creighton Away
December 17, 2020 Seton Hall Home
December 20, 2020 Xavier Away
December 23, 2020 Villanova Home
January 2, 2021 Georgetown Away
January 5, 2021 Connecticut Home
January 8, 2021 Villanova Away
January 12, 2021 Providence Home
January 16, 2021 Saint John's Away
January 20, 2021 Georgetown Home
January 23, 2021 DePaul Home
January 27, 2021 Providence Away
February 2, 2021 Butler Home
February 6, 2021 Creighton Home
February 14, 2021 Seton Hall Away
February 17, 2021 Butler Away
February 20, 2021 Saint John's Home
February 27, 2021 Connecticut Away
March 2, 2021 DePaul Away
March 6, 2021 Xavier Home
Need to absolutely eat during the bolded stretch. Honestly, the back end of the schedule is very manageable. The only games I see as very unlikely to win in the last 13 games are Creighton at home and UCONN away. I don't expect to win every one of the rest of those games, but I think every one of those is reasonably winnable.
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And updated here, no TV details yet, but those should be out soon...
https://gomarquette.com/sports/mens-basketball/schedule
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Assuming all games are played, I'll go with a final record of 16-10 (12-8). I see a 3-4 start and a 9-4 finish.
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Assuming all games are played, I'll go with a final record of 16-10 (12-8). I see a 3-4 start and a 9-4 finish.
9-4 finish, eh? You been watching the last couple of years? :P
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Assuming all games are played, I'll go with a final record of 16-10 (12-8). I see a 3-4 start and a 9-4 finish.
Not far off KenPom's game by game prediction. He has us starting 3-4 and finishing 10-3 which includes a 6 game winning streak.
However, his actual projection has us going 11-9 the rest of the way.
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9-4 finish, eh? You been watching the last couple of years? :P
Prior to the past two years we were a solid end of regular season team. We finished 4-1 in 2017 and 5-2 in 2018. Hoping 2021 brings better luck!
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I still have doubts that our game Sunday against X will actually be played. They originally postponed 2 games, and were waiting on Friday's game @ DePaul and Sunday vs MU. This morning, they postponed the DePaul game....
https://www.wlwt.com/article/third-xavier-basketball-game-postponed-due-to-covid-19/34960845#
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So, when is National Marquette Day! Feb. 20th?
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So, when is National Marquette Day! Feb. 20th?
No, that's Al's Night. My guess would be February 6th.
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So..what's actually going on with DePaul? I know "covid pause", but it's been 3 weeks. Players *keep* getting sick after you know you should all quarantine?
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So..what's actually going on with DePaul? I know "covid pause", but it's been 3 weeks. Players *keep* getting sick after you know you should all quarantine?
What's going on with DePaul?
Hello! It's DePaul!
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So..what's actually going on with DePaul? I know "covid pause", but it's been 3 weeks. Players *keep* getting sick after you know you should all quarantine?
DL trying to save his job for another year by not playing any games.
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I saw a little blurb about X looking forward to opening BEast play Sunday vs Marquette.
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What's going on with DePaul?
Hello! It's DePaul!
When was the last time Depaul went this late into the calendar undefeated?
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/30522325/depaul-blue-demons-call-two-more-men-basketball-games
DePaul called off two more men's basketball games because of positive COVID-19 tests, pushing back the start of its season until at least next week.
The Blue Demons were scheduled to play at Providence on Thursday and Butler on Monday. But with team activities paused, those Big East games were postponed and no makeup dates were announced.
DePaul is scheduled to host Connecticut on Dec. 23.
DePaul has canceled or postponed 10 games. The Blue Demons were scheduled to open Nov. 25 against Western Illinois at home.
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FIrst 11 min of Butler vs Nova is a up and down affair.
Just watching this game would have you thinking Butler was a offensive team not defensive.
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NCAA passed a blanket waiver for D1 transfers to be immediately eligible this season due to COVID. Butler (Bo Hodges), Creighton (Alex O'Connell), DePaul (Javon Freeman-Liberty), Seton Hall (Tray Jackson), and Xavier (Adam Kunkel and Ben Stanley) will all benefit. Will be interesting to see how these players get integrated into lineups.
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NCAA passed a blanket waiver for D1 transfers to be immediately eligible this season due to COVID. Butler (Bo Hodges), Creighton (Alex O'Connell), DePaul (Javon Freeman-Liberty), Seton Hall (Tray Jackson), and Xavier (Adam Kunkel and Ben Stanley) will all benefit. Will be interesting to see how these players get integrated into lineups.
Totally forgot O'Connell from Duke went to Creighton.
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NCAA passed a blanket waiver for D1 transfers to be immediately eligible this season due to COVID. Butler (Bo Hodges), Creighton (Alex O'Connell), DePaul (Javon Freeman-Liberty), Seton Hall (Tray Jackson), and Xavier (Adam Kunkel and Ben Stanley) will all benefit. Will be interesting to see how these players get integrated into lineups.
Good. More than fair. Should have been eligible already.
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NCAA passed a blanket waiver for D1 transfers to be immediately eligible this season due to COVID. Butler (Bo Hodges), Creighton (Alex O'Connell), DePaul (Javon Freeman-Liberty), Seton Hall (Tray Jackson), and Xavier (Adam Kunkel and Ben Stanley) will all benefit. Will be interesting to see how these players get integrated into lineups.
Not sure why you even bothered writing Freemin-Libertys name. Not like they're going to play.
But seriously though are any of them supposed to be difference makers on a Carton level?
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NCAA passed a blanket waiver for D1 transfers to be immediately eligible this season due to COVID. Butler (Bo Hodges), Creighton (Alex O'Connell), DePaul (Javon Freeman-Liberty), Seton Hall (Tray Jackson), and Xavier (Adam Kunkel and Ben Stanley) will all benefit. Will be interesting to see how these players get integrated into lineups.
Kunkel and Freeman Liberty already had waivers.
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Any word on Aaron Thompson's injury? That wouldn't be good for Butler at all if it's something that keeps him out long term.
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Creighton up 41-34 at half on the Johnnies.
They blitzed SJU in first 8 minutes getting up 28-12. After that Creighton went full slop and it lead to SJU making some shots. Cut it down to 3. Creighton closed with a methodical 4-0 run over the final couple minutes.
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Creighton is dominating St. John's inside. Since MU dominated Creighton inside, the blueprint should be pretty clear when we play the Johnnies.
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Creighton is dominating St. John's inside. Since MU dominated Creighton inside, the blueprint should be pretty clear when we play the Johnnies.
We had better care of the basketball against the Johnnie's. That game screams points off turnovers for them.
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Creighton pulling away.
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Poor SJU. Feeling the affects of Zagarowski going 0/7 from 3 against us.
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Nothing worse than the St. John’s coach calling timeout down 20 with 30 seconds left.
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Nothing worse than the St. John’s coach calling timeout down 20 with 30 seconds left.
Luckily this was a speedy game so it won't hurt our viewing pleasure.
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Creighton getting a big boost from the 7 foot freshman, Kalkbrenner. He only played five minutes against us and nine against Kansas. 15 and 5 on 7-13 shooting tonight.
44 points in the paint for CU tonight.
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Creighton getting a big boost from the 7 foot freshman, Kalkbrenner. He only played five minutes against us and nine against Kansas. 15 and 5 on 7-13 shooting tonight.
44 points in the paint for CU tonight.
That guy looked like a big stiff against MU. Zegarowski also 6-7 from 3. We caught him on a bad night.
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That guy looked like a big stiff against MU. Zegarowski also 6-7 from 3. We caught him on a bad night.
Yep. To beat a very good team on the road, you need some stuff to go in your favor that you might not have expected. We shot very well; their star went oh-fer. It doesn't make the win "lucky." It's just the way sports are.
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Is the MU vs. Xavier game still on? Ben Stanley is now eligible for Xavier. Averaged 22 and 7 at Hampton last year.
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Is the MU vs. Xavier game still on? Ben Stanley is now eligible for Xavier. Averaged 22 and 7 at Hampton last year.
As of now...yes.
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Article on Alex O'Connell newly eligible transfer to Creighton from Duke
https://www.bigeastcoastbias.com/2020/12/17/22179867/alex-oconnell-creighton-transfer-eligible
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Villanova / St Johns on December 30th postponed for a Villanova mental break.
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Bad execution by UConn at the end of regulation v. Creighton
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Creighton really gotta get the free throws figured out
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Villanova / St Johns on December 30th postponed for a Villanova mental break.
Is that a thing?
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Is that a thing?
Apparently. Sounds like it's so they can go home for the holidays, which seems like a good way to hamstring this whole "playing safe as a league" thing they are attempting.
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Should Wojo pull a similar thing for the Wed game?
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Apparently. Sounds like it's so they can go home for the holidays, which seems like a good way to hamstring this whole "playing safe as a league" thing they are attempting.
The BE built in make up weeks. I don’t blame the kids for wanting a quick break...as long as they’re responsible.
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Providence 80 Seton Hall 77 OT Final.
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Providence 80 Seton Hall 77 OT Final.
The Beast is brutal(ly) good.
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liked the no call on Duke, and the feed to the corner.
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Marquette wins at Creighton ... Seton Hall wins at Marquette ... Providence wins at Seton Hall.
That's the way it's gonna be all season, folks.
We all want to win 'em all. It ain't gonna happen ... not even for Nova.
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Marquette wins at Creighton ... Seton Hall wins at Marquette ... Providence wins at Seton Hall.
That's the way it's gonna be all season, folks.
We all want to win 'em all. It ain't gonna happen ... not even for Nova.
This is why I love big east basketball. So competitive, almost every game is entertaining and means something. My sister, a Pac12 grad also prefers watching our games for the same reason. it's an exciting brand of basketball.
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DePaul's first game was to be Wednesday against UConn. But, UConn cancelled due to Covid. 11 cancellations now.
Fortunately, Western Ill had an opening and will come to Wintrust to play DePaul. They may get a game this year after all.
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DePaul's first game was to be Wednesday against UConn. But, UConn cancelled due to Covid. 11 cancellations now.
Fortunately, Western Ill had an opening and will come to Wintrust to play DePaul. They may get a game this year after all.
Tough opener, going up against the defending national champs
https://www.sbnation.com/college-basketball/2020/11/14/21558803/college-hoops-2k8-sim-dynasty-western-illinois-ncaa-tournament-run-in-year-26
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Umm, someone wanna go wake up Butler?
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5 Star, 6'5 Top 20 National Wing, Aminu Mohammed, has committed to Georgetown.
Greenwood Lab High School in Springfield, MO. (Played Freshman year at Archbishop Carroll, Washington DC. before relocating to Springfield, MO. Also, plays Boo Williams in the summer.
Big time recruit for Georgetown.
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Umm, someone wanna go wake up Butler?
Losing to SIU sure doesn’t look great
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Creighton and Xavier a combined 25% on 3s tonight. Mostly wide open shots. MU didn't catch those breaks.
Maybe they will vs. Nova tonight.
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Creighton and Xavier a combined 25% on 3s tonight. Mostly wide open shots. MU didn't catch those breaks.
Maybe they will vs. Nova tonight.
Kunkel missed a wide-open three that would have tied it with about 2 seconds to go.
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And Kunkel misses a wide open one with 3 seconds left for the tie. Sometimes it just doesn't break your way.
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Creighton and Xavier a combined 25% on 3s tonight. Mostly wide open shots. MU didn't catch those breaks.
Maybe they will vs. Nova tonight.
The Jean Felix Curse
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Is DePaul allowing fans into Wintrust? It looks the same to me.
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Is DePaul allowing fans into Wintrust? It looks the same to me.
(https://media1.tenor.com/images/d66ee159a193b04adf98aba53b5c0eee/tenor.gif?itemid=14602132)
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Creighton and Xavier a combined 25% on 3s tonight. Mostly wide open shots. MU didn't catch those breaks.
Maybe they will vs. Nova tonight.
Creighton doesn’t strike me as a top 10 team for this reason. When they are cold, they have zero offense and look terrible. They had multiple stretches of 4-5 min without scoring. It was brutal.
But nothing compared to the Butler/Prov first half. Holy hell that was AWFUL basketball. Both teams shooting bricks and playing slow halfcourt possession basketball
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Creighton doesn’t strike me as a top 10 team for this reason. When they are cold, they have zero offense and look terrible. They had multiple stretches of 4-5 min without scoring. It was brutal.
But nothing compared to the Butler/Prov first half. Holy hell that was AWFUL basketball. Both teams shooting bricks and playing slow halfcourt possession basketball
The Creighton Style of play always has a few games each year where they can't hit the broad side of the barn. Also because their kids feed off each other, when things go back they all join in.
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Creighton doesn’t strike me as a top 10 team for this reason. When they are cold, they have zero offense and look terrible. They had multiple stretches of 4-5 min without scoring. It was brutal.
But nothing compared to the Butler/Prov first half. Holy hell that was AWFUL basketball. Both teams shooting bricks and playing slow halfcourt possession basketball
In a negative mood after the loss, but I bet good money one if not both will torch the nets against us at least one of the games. Would not surprise me if we go 2-2 against those two. Hope to be surprised.
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Nova pausing. Staff members positive, no players.
https://villanova.com/news/2020/12/27/mens-basketball-wildcats-pause-basketball-activities-due-to-covid-19.aspx
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Good luck, Jay.
We can only hope no MU players or staff were infected last week.
Lucky he isn't a Detroit Coach and the NCAA isn't the NFL.
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Depaul and PC in double OT right now. Entertaining game.
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SJU - DePaul canceled today due to positive covid test within SJU program. Poor DePaul.
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SJU - DePaul canceled today due to positive covid test within SJU program. Poor DePaul.
Honestly at this point they should be reaching out to Chicago state, eastern, LUC, Northwestern, eastern, northern, UW Milwaukee, and Valpo for last minute games. I mean there's a ton of schools within an hour and a half.
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Creighton doing it again, 57 points at the 9:30 mark of the second half...sitting at 65 with 2 min left. Their offense just evaporates at times. Shockingly so. I don’t see them as any sort of threat in March
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THe last few minutes of this Prov/Creighton game is brutal.
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Haha my lord. Creighton still cant shoot free throws.
Mahoney misses the 1 and 1. Providence falls over and travels on the rebound.
Mahoney misses another 1 and 1. Providence is fouled on the rebound and gets free throws at the other end.
2 pt game now.
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Creighton TO!!!
This is a meltdown.
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Damn. Bishop with basically a walk off dunk.
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Damn. Bishop with basically a walk off dunk.
Good lord they didn’t deserve that at all. If they won in OT, fine, but that was horrific down the stretch execution. Zagarowski was literally a half second from throwing up a prayer at the end there too
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Good lord they didn’t deserve that at all. If they won in OT, fine, but that was horrific down the stretch execution. Zagarowski was literally a half second from throwing up a prayer at the end there too
Yeah that was crazy. Lucky he saw Bishop barreling down as the trailer.
More of a collapse on Creightons end than Xavier but similar to our game vs X. Us and Prov had the momentum and then get killed at the buzzer.
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Christian Bishop always seems to be in good position on the floor for Creighton . Really came through at the end . I enjoyed that game, Cooley and McDermott are good friends who love to compete against each other.
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Yeah that was crazy. Lucky he saw Bishop barreling down as the trailer.
More of a collapse on Creightons end than Xavier but similar to our game vs X. Us and Prov had the momentum and then get killed at the buzzer.
Watched the replay...Bishop took about 4 steps lmao
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Watched the replay...Bishop took about 4 steps lmao
wasn’t a travel.
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Caught the ball as his foot was leaving the ground. Two big steps and a dunk.
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Mac’s teams aren’t built for March success. One cold shooting night, or even a cold half, and they’re toast. You’ll never see the Jays win a rock fight type of game.
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Here is the play...
https://mobile.twitter.com/CBBonFOX/status/1345447882699239424
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Honestly at this point they should be reaching out to Chicago state, eastern, LUC, Northwestern, eastern, northern, UW Milwaukee, and Valpo for last minute games. I mean there's a ton of schools within an hour and a half.
CSU has shut down for the season. The others may have conference restrictions now that league play has begun. DePaul is happy to have e only two losses at this point of the season.
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Here is the play...
https://mobile.twitter.com/CBBonFOX/status/1345447882699239424
Not a travel for me. Gather on the catch + 2 steps.
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Not a travel for me. Gather on the catch + 2 steps.
Not a travel. Those unis are cool.
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Seton Hall moving the ball around so much more this year without Powell.
Nice back and forth game with Butler so far .
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Mac’s teams aren’t built for March success. One cold shooting night, or even a cold half, and they’re toast. You’ll never see the Jays win a rock fight type of game.
In the meantime they are entertaining to watch.
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Freshman Myles Tate for Butler is a very zippy little point guard who knows how to play the game. Going to be fun watching him the next few years.
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Tate playing like a senior . Tremendous IQ for the freshman .
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Agreed Tate was very good. That hesitation on his last bucket was not a freshman move
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Tate carries the ball more than anybody I remember seeing in quite some time. I mean, every single time he dribbles, he carries the ball. But obviously the refs are gonna let him do it, so it will be a challenge for defenders to stay with him. Looks like he has a bright future.
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Detailed write up on Butler. I think this will be an entertaining game when we play them.
https://thebutlercollegian.com/2021/01/butler-vs-seton-hall-beyond-the-box-score-8/
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Georgetown lost 63-55. Butler closed the game on a 17-4 run. Shocking. ;D
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Georgetown lost 63-55. Butler closed the game on a 17-4 run. Shocking. ;D
Butler had Aaron Thompson back. Was still not a full strength but he definitely helped.
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Damien Jefferson has become a very good switchable for Creighton. Seems like he improved every year a little bit and now is one of their key offensive weapons.
I noticed some fans in the stands at Creighton as well.
Seton Hall will need to come out strong to start the second half .
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It’s not founded in anything substantial, but something about Mahoney really annoys me. Probably my number one irrational dislike in the conference. Rest of the dislikes, like Mamu, are justified
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Creighton a very enjoyable to watch. Love their system of ball movement and up temp. They have a lot of interesting pieces and they seem to all work well together . Put together a big win today without Zegarowski.
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It’s not founded in anything substantial, but something about Mahoney really annoys me. Probably my number one irrational dislike in the conference. Rest of the dislikes, like Mamu, are justified
Mahoney was ok last year, but he is really annoying this year.
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It’s not founded in anything substantial, but something about Mahoney really annoys me. Probably my number one irrational dislike in the conference. Rest of the dislikes, like Mamu, are justified
Same last name as a girl who broke my heart.
Yeah! He stinks!
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DePaul showed some fight in their loss to Seton today. DePaul needs a more cohesive offensive strategy to put wins on the board . Not enough ball movement and bad shot selection. Blue Demons have some nice rim protectors .
Seton Hall continues to look like a team built for a tournament run, especially when they get Aiken fully healthy .
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Seton hall didn't score a FG in the last 9 minutes and won by 8. Not sure I've seen that before
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Seton hall didn't score a FG in the last 9 minutes and won by 8. Not sure I've seen that before
If you watch enough DePaul games you will see these kind of things often.
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Same last name as a girl who broke my heart.
Mahoney or Mamukelashvili?
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Mahoney
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Xavier/Providence a sloppy first half.
Ended with one of my BIGGEST pet peeves. The near pathological need to HOLD FOR THE FINAL SHOT of a half.
Providence gets a rebound from a blocked Xavier shot with about 24 seconds left in the half, outlet pass to David Duke, who is in discussion for BE POY, he has a 1 on 1 with a head of steam and trailer...and stops dead at the 3 point line, pounds the dribble, and they get a bricked long 2 to end the half.
With an entire half of basketball in a one possession game, I’d rather have 2 more points than deny my opponent a possession. I feel like it’s just some dumb Pavlovian response that all coaches drill in that ignores situation and score. Don’t jack up a shot with 15 seconds left in the half, sure, but what the hell
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Providence led Xavier by 7 with 1:13 remaining and lost.
Nice final play from X. Good spacing, movement w/o the ball, and making the extra pass for the better shot:
https://twitter.com/CBBonFOX/status/1348329807076089857?s=19
For thus wondering, Kunkel made zero three"s in the game, going 0 for 5, for a ...checks math...0.0 percentage.
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Providence starting PG Jared Bynum missed the game with a groin strain. He was apparently a game time decision. Will be interesting to see if he suits up on Tuesday.
Another interesting fact. Providence did not shot a single free throw in the second half. Don't know that I've ever seen that. Xavier was down 7 with just over a minute left and forced two Providence TOs and scored on all 3 of their final possessions to win it.
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Providence starting PG Jared Bynum missed the game with a groin strain. He was apparently a game time decision. Will be interesting to see if he suits up on Tuesday.
Another interesting fact. Providence did not shot a single free throw in the second half. Don't know that I've ever seen that. Xavier was down 7 with just over a minute left and forced two Providence TOs and scored on all 3 of their final possessions to win it.
Xavier forced a “travel” late which was one of the worst calls I feel like I’ve seen in awhile. It was either a charge or a block, the travel was blatantly caused by contact from the defender jumping in front of the Providence player. If it’s a charge, so be it, but just a travel was bizarre.
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DePaul played hard but couldn't get it done down the stretch against U Conn.
I think missing the early part of the season really hurt DePaul. They needed those cupcake games to build their team chemistry for the year. Getting thrown into the Big East, with no warm up is not a good way to build your teams confidence.
U Conn looks very solid.
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DePaul played hard but couldn't get it done down the stretch against U Conn.
I think missing the early part of the season really hurt DePaul. They needed those cupcake games to build their team chemistry for the year. Getting thrown into the Big East, with no warm up is not a good way to build your teams confidence.
U Conn looks very solid.
DePaul absolutely gave that game away. 5 trips down....all turnovers under 4 minutes. Travels, over and back, steal on a bounce pass-just brutal. That is how you lose in college basketball.
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DePaul absolutely gave that game away. 5 trips down....all turnovers under 4 minutes. Travels, over and back, steal on a bounce pass-just brutal. That is how you lose in college basketball.
Sounds like Georgetown against us.
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Champagnie is a very fun player to watch . Close game so far between The Johnnies and Butler
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St. John looking good and fun to watch. I think Anderson was a great hire for them especially if he starts getting the better NYC talent. They should be more competitive next year.
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Isaih Moore did not play against Butler tonight "for not meeting team standards." He's the Red Storm's 4th leading scorer, 2nd leading rebounder, and 2nd best shot blocker despite only 19 minutes a game. Will be interesting to see if he suits up on Saturday.
EDIT:
Jaden Daly
@DalyDoseOfHoops
Mike Anderson on Isaih Moore: “We’ll see. We just talked about not living up to team standards, that’s all. I’ll address it with him the next couple days.” Said Moore hasn’t been at practice, but wouldn’t specify how many days he’s been absent. #sjubb
Doesn't sound positive for Mr. Moore
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Georgetown is going on a COVID-19 pause. It would appear to affect the upcoming Jan 20 game v Marquette.
https://twitter.com/MattNorlander/status/1349441149275164672?s=19
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Georgetown is going on a COVID-19 pause. It would appear to affect the upcoming Jan 20 game v Marquette.
https://twitter.com/MattNorlander/status/1349441149275164672?s=19
SJU is scheduled to play Saturday against MU, Monday against Uconn, and then off for 9 days. Hopefully the league looks to get SJU @ MU scheduled Wednesday or Thursday if the Georgetown game is indeed postponed.
Or just slide the Georgetown game back to Thursday if an 8 day pause is sufficient.
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Stinks for DePaul if they are in DC right now. That would be their 3rd road game, that got postponed/cancelled while already on site.
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Looks like Bouknight is having surgery on his elbow. A bit of a blow to the conference.
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Looks like Bouknight is having surgery on his elbow. A bit of a blow to the conference.
Out "indefinitely." With pro prospects like his, I think that means he is done. You hate to see that and you're right, big blow the conference and college basketball in general.
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Stinks for DePaul if they are in DC right now. That would be their 3rd road game, that got postponed/cancelled while already on site.
I feel bad for the DePaul fan.
Seriously...it really sucks how this has completely decimated their schedule. I make them the butt of a lot of my jokes, but I truly feel bad for those players.
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Creighton getting all it wants from Butler, who went 10 min in the second half without a FG. 60-57 CU at the last media timeout.
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No easy games, eh Creighton?
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No easy games, eh Creighton?
Any BEast win, especially on the road is good.
You’d think after all these years, Marquette fans would appreciate that, too ... but we’re the one team that is supposed to win all our games by 20+ points.
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Johnnies up 3 on UCONN.
2:30 left
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Johnnies up 3 on UCONN.
2:30 left
Who do we want to win?
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I would guess SJU?
Looking at quadrants?
SJU is playing good solid D again. Slapping at everything.
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Some TERRRRRIBLE calls here to finish the game.
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I thought only MU could struggle with SJU. Silly naivete.
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Cherish beating the Johnnies.
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free throws matter
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UConn blows 14 point lead to SJU.
Loses by 4.
Haters: BoUkNiGhT iS InJuReD!!
Lovers: SJU iSnT ToTaL CraP
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I thought only MU could struggle with SJU. Silly naivete.
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St. John’s plays harder then any team in the BE. Nice victory for them, makes MU victory a little more impressive. Missing Boatright will hurt UConn
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St. John’s plays harder then any team in the BE. Nice victory for them, makes MU victory a little more impressive. Missing Boatright will hurt UConn
They must have been hurting for quite a few years
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Cherish beating the Johnnies.
Agreed.... UConn fans can Cherish 14 turnovers at home.
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Cherish beating the Johnnies.
Enjoy winning games. Period.
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Cherish beating the Johnnies.
I cherish every win.
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The more I watch, the less I'm concerned about "open 3s", because I know it's only BU v DePaul, but I've seen 3 wide open 3s airballed thus far. I think a more concerned focus can be placed on "who" is taking the 3s, but if 4 years of Derrick didn't convince you, just because a 3 is open, does not necessarily mean it's a good shot.
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The more I watch, the less I'm concerned about "open 3s", because I know it's only BU v DePaul, but I've seen 3 wide open 3s airballed thus far. I think a more concerned focus can be placed on "who" is taking the 3s, but if 4 years of Derrick didn't convince you, just because a 3 is open, does not necessarily mean it's a good shot.
Or the ridiculous amount of wide wing 3s we've missed this year
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I cherish every win.
^^^^^^^^
Dis guy gets it.
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^^^^^^^^
Dis guy gets it.
You know it brother....
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I cherish every win.
Cherish is a word I use to describe, i, i, i, i, i, i, i, ibe......
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I cherish every win.
I am from Chicago so I prefer relish.
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https://youtu.be/DD94tZgPuvc (https://youtu.be/DD94tZgPuvc)
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Nova by 2. Close game.
Seton hall blew a chance to win it and then “fouled” nova with 0.9 left.
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Nova by 2. Close game.
Seton hall blew a chance to win it and then “fouled” nova with 0.9 left.
Mamu flubbing the catch on the inbounds pass and then air balling the final 3 attempt was delicious
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Mamu flubbing the catch on the inbounds pass and then air balling the final 3 attempt was delicious
Even more delicious considering he fouled Swider (with no whistle) to have the chance to flub the catch.
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But he made a heckuva play before that to tie the game. Mamu is right up there for POY in the BE. He's good (despite his hands of stone last night at a crucial moment).
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But he made a heckuva play before that to tie the game. Mamu is right up there for POY in the BE. He's good (despite his hands of stone last night at a crucial moment).
With Zegarowski continuing to miss games and Bouknight out indefinitely, Mamu is probably the favorite for POY at this time.
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Zegarowski back in the line up tonight for the Blue Jays against Providence
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With Zegarowski continuing to miss games and Bouknight out indefinitely, Mamu is probably the favorite for POY at this time.
Gillespie?
Best player on the best team.
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Zegarowski back in the line up tonight for the Blue Jays against Creighton.
Inter squad scrimmage as way to prevent Covid exposure from other teams? Or are they playing John Hopkins?
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Inter squad scrimmage as way to prevent Covid exposure from other teams? Or are they playing John Hopkins?
Correction noted
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Creighton REALLY struggling at home against Providence. Mahoney and Ballock are non-existent (combined 0-11 for 3 points). I’m just not sold on Creighton. They can score like crazy in bunches, but they vanish and they don’t really have a good win other than Xavier (who also hasn’t really beat anyone other than Marquette and maybe Oklahoma).
Creighton just feels like a top 4 seed who gets bumped early unless they get hot.
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Providence beating Creighton is not good for Marquette. It diminishes our win at Creighton, which was probably our best win of the year and makes our resume not that distinguishable from Providence's. Makes beating the Friars in Round 2 critical to create some Big East standings and resume separation
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Creighton REALLY struggling at home against Providence. Mahoney and Ballock are non-existent (combined 0-11 for 3 points). I’m just not sold on Creighton. They can score like crazy in bunches, but they vanish and they don’t really have a good win other than Xavier (who also hasn’t really beat anyone other than Marquette and maybe Oklahoma).
Creighton just feels like a top 4 seed who gets bumped early unless they get hot.
They must suck, just lost to Providence.
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Providence beating Creighton is not good for Marquette. It diminishes our win at Creighton, which was probably our best win of the year and makes our resume not that distinguishable from Providence's. Makes beating the Friars in Round 2 critical to create some Big East standings and resume separation
Wisconsin was our biggest win and will still be so far
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Providence beating Creighton is not good for Marquette. It diminishes our win at Creighton, which was probably our best win of the year and makes our resume not that distinguishable from Providence's. Makes beating the Friars in Round 2 critical to create some Big East standings and resume separation
Go the other way. It shows, as usual, that it's Nova and everyone else.
Will be six teams battling for second and not one program has the inside track. Considering our guys have a slew of games against that crew and the bottom crew left we have a tremendous opportunity.
P.S. Beating Wisconsin is the best win of the season (Big Ten best conference) until they beat Nova on the road.
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Creighton is fools gold. They benefitted from being ranked high in the preseason, but haven’t really done much to achieve that ranking. Would agree with the other poster that it’s Villanova and everyone else.
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The trend in recent years for Creighton losses is when they have bad shooting nights . The upside is when they are making the threes but several times a year they will have off nights . Just the nature of their offense.
Providence is also a decent team which had their backs to the wall. Nate Watson is playing extremely well. Almost a prototype College 5.
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Wisconsin was our biggest win and will still be so far
Road win > home win
And frankly, we got lucky against UW.
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Road win > home win
And frankly, we got lucky against UW.
No NET ranking is much more important than Road vs Home, if Net were close then yes. No such thing as luck considered on committee, injuries considered, again not luck. When talking biggest win I go by the wins that will impact consideration by selection committee.
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Road win > home win
And frankly, we got lucky against UW.
Do we get to discount the Xavier loss, then? Road game, unlucky buzzer beater for us. Or do we only get to do those things when they benefit MU?
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Road win > home win
And frankly, we got lucky against UW.
Nope. Played them toe to toe. Made the last play in a nail biter. Like Xavier did to us. It is called basketball.
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Do we get to discount the Xavier loss, then? Road game, unlucky buzzer beater for us. Or do we only get to do those things when they benefit MU?
So many logic pretzels to reduce MU's success
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Road win > home win
And frankly, we got lucky against UW.
Is there an asterisk next to that win?
W*
*=well this one was just lucky.
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Is there an asterisk next to that win?
W*
*=well this one was just lucky.
There is as long as Wojo is the coach.
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That is the Creighton's fan base's knock on McDermott. If the team isn't shooting well from outside, they never really have any adjustments to counter for consistent scoring. They have a style/brand of playing, and when it doesn't work, the team loses. Villanova, due to its abundance of high talent, can beat you in a variety of ways, which continues to make them a year-in, year-out national favorite.
Providence's win was not good for Marquette. It appears that MU and PC, at present, are both battling for #6 (which likely is the last remaining tournament spot from the BE into the NCAAT). A loss for them would have created a little separation. We remain neck and neck with them (with a very important H2H victory).
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From a quadrant standpoint, Providence winning helped. Our win over Providence moved from Q3 to Q2 and at Creighton is still a Q1A win with an 11 spot buffer to Q1B. The game at Providence is now a Q1 game.
MU's Current Quadrant Profile:
Q1A: 2-3
Q1B: 0-0
Q2A: 0-3
Q2B: 2-0
Q3: 1-0
Q4: 3-0
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There isn't a cap on the number of teams a conference can put into the Tournament. It's not "either Providence or Marquette." Both teams could easily get in based on what they do the rest of the season, and both teams could easily miss the Tournament based on what they do the rest of the season.
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Butler pausing their game for tomorrow with Seton Hall due to a Covid issue within the bulldogs program. I know it's somewhat out, but wonder if our game Feb. 2nd is in jeopardy or will be the first game back for butler.
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Butler pausing their game for tomorrow with Seton Hall due to a Covid issue within the bulldogs program. I know it's somewhat out, but wonder if our game Feb. 2nd is in jeopardy or will be the first game back for butler.
My understanding is that pauses are a minumum of 2 weeks. Given that they played on the 19th, the earliest the pause could have started was the 20th, putting the 2 week mark at February 3rd. I think that means that the game is canc...er...postponed.
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My understanding is that pauses are a minumum of 2 weeks. Given that they played on the 19th, the earliest the pause could have started was the 20th, putting the 2 week mark at February 3rd. I think that means that the game is canc...er...postponed.
I could be wrong but I believe that the minimum pause length was reduced.
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That is the Creighton's fan base's knock on McDermott. If the team isn't shooting well from outside, they never really have any adjustments to counter for consistent scoring. They have a style/brand of playing, and when it doesn't work, the team loses. Villanova, due to its abundance of high talent, can beat you in a variety of ways, which continues to make them a year-in, year-out national favorite.
Providence's win was not good for Marquette. It appears that MU and PC, at present, are both battling for #6 (which likely is the last remaining tournament spot from the BE into the NCAAT). A loss for them would have created a little separation. We remain neck and neck with them (with a very important H2H victory).
The 6th place Big East team will not make the tournament without winning two games in Big East tournament.
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The 6th place Big East team will not make the tournament without winning two games in Big East tournament.
We go through this every year. We won't know this for another month at least.
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We go through this every year. We won't know this for another month at least.
Correct, lots of things to sort out.
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Correct, lots of things to sort out.
As a result of the shorten non-conference season the Big East has very little respect.
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The BEast is down from past seasons. I don't recall us ever being out of the top 3 in the NET and we're 5th. On the other hand there is a big drop between the B10 and B12 vs the other conferences. When you look at very little distinguishes the SEC, ACC, and the BEast.
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I could be wrong but I believe that the minimum pause length was reduced.
It has been difficult to find any definitive statement of the BE rules.
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Is the Big East even a conference?
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The BEast is down from past seasons. I don't recall us ever being out of the top 3 in the NET and we're 5th. On the other hand there is a big drop between the B10 and B12 vs the other conferences. When you look at very little distinguishes the SEC, ACC, and the BEast.
Since inception of this version of The Big East, the conference has done very well every year in non conference. The NET metrics are complex, however the three general areas of adjusted winning percentage, Big Wins and Team Efficiency the league as a whole did well on. The value of beating the cupcakes was that win loss percentage and efficiency went up and every year it seemed like each team had at least one signature win.
The problem this year, is a)some of our worst teams in conference did not get their cupcake games in and b) the better teams did not have the benefit of a full schedule to get in the signature wins. So the league now has 4 sub 100 teams. The problem with that is that two of those teams , The Johnnies and Butler can actually compete and win games in conference against the better teams.
So what the league needs now is for the top 7 to keep doing well and the bottom 4 to perform poorly.
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Is the Big East even a conference?
That's a real existential question you pose there! Let's not get too philosophical on a Friday... but one has to ask... if a game is scheduled but there's no fans and I don't watch it on tv, was it ever even played?
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The BEast is down from past seasons. I don't recall us ever being out of the top 3 in the NET and we're 5th. On the other hand there is a big drop between the B10 and B12 vs the other conferences. When you look at very little distinguishes the SEC, ACC, and the BEast.
We do not really know for sure that the Big East is down, because of the shorten non-conference season.
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As a result of the shorten non-conference season the Big East has very little respect.
Whatever you want to believe is ok.
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Butler back in business, planning to play UConn Tuesday. The test was deemed a false positive.
https://twitter.com/butlermbb/status/1352979399562301440?s=10
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Butler back in business, planning to play UConn Tuesday. The test was deemed a false positive.
https://twitter.com/butlermbb/status/1352979399562301440?s=10
Awesome. We've missed enough basketball
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I think U Conn is going to be an increasingly powerful program in our Big East Conference as the years go by. Coach Hurley is a solid coach and the recruits he is bringing in are getting the job done, with more on the way.
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I think U Conn is going to be an increasingly powerful program in our Big East Conference as the years go by. Coach Hurley is a solid coach and the recruits he is bringing in are getting the job done, with more on the way.
We’ll see. So far, Hurley has not distinguished himself at this level, but it’s early.
UConn has everything a program needs to have success, though. Much like Marquette.
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4 games today. Enjoy!
https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=60894.75
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Good win for Creighton today over a U Conn squad that played tough without Bouknight. The Blue Jays needed to get back on the winning side of things after losing two straight.
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Typical Big East Battle between Providence and Villanova. Providence up at half.
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Now that is a new reason to delay a game. Blinded by the light.
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Now that is a new reason to delay a game. Blinded by the light.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33ptulhhQPg
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Good win for Nova over Providence.
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UConn postpones two games.
https://twitter.com/JonRothstein/status/1354479652169986049
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UConn postpones two games.
https://twitter.com/JonRothstein/status/1354479652169986049
So reading the tweet, the positive test was from an official at the UConn Butler game. Wouldn't that theoretically mean that Butler will end up postponing too? That would impact us.
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Seton hall up 10 over Creighton at the half. Creighton plummeting in the rankings and will likely be out after 1-2 more losses. So much for that top 10 road win.
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Aiken playing well adds a different dimension to Seton Hall
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So reading the tweet, the positive test was from an official at the UConn Butler game. Wouldn't that theoretically mean that Butler will end up postponing too? That would impact us.
Seems like it should. Strange…
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Creighton overcame 16 point second half deficit to win.
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Ballock finished with 29 points.
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Creighton overcame 16 point second half deficit to win.
Hall has lost three of four, blowing double digit second half leads in two of those games. Nova up next.
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Wondering if Zac Moffat would consider coaching?
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Glad to see Providence lose this one. Cheer against the bubble teams until you're eliminated, right?
I think MU wins the next 2 and has a shot to get back in the bubble picture next Saturday vs. Creighton.
Off topic question - why the hell is Marquette Butler at 4 pm Tuesday?
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Glad to see Providence lose this one. Cheer against the bubble teams until you're eliminated, right?
I think MU wins the next 2 and has a shot to get back in the bubble picture next Saturday vs. Creighton.
Off topic question - why the hell is Marquette Butler at 4 pm Tuesday?
What?? 4pm? That's crazy.
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Glad to see Providence lose this one. Cheer against the bubble teams until you're eliminated, right?
I think MU wins the next 2 and has a shot to get back in the bubble picture next Saturday vs. Creighton.
Off topic question - why the hell is Marquette Butler at 4 pm Tuesday?
Definitely true for PC. Better for any bubble teams to lose.
Best case for this week is to best St John's & Butler by large margins, then get by Creighton. That would probably put them in the field and just need to go .500 from there on out.
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Off topic question - why the hell is Marquette Butler at 4 pm Tuesday?
College basketball has had many games at 4pm this year. Rescheduled games. FS1 has 4 games that night. Get your popcorn.
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The Big East, in sum:
1. Villanova is way, way ahead of everyone.
2. Creighton and UConn are place and show.
3. Six teams are in the soup, can win or lose any given day.
4. Georgetown spends a lot of money to be sitting with DePaul in the cellar.
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Wright does a tremendous job developing players. 2 of their key guys have been out all season.
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Wright does a tremendous job developing players. 2 of their key guys have been out all season.
Who????
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Crosby-Roundtree and Antione. It's conceivable C-R wouldn't have played heavy mins but Antione is supposedly a stud. Roundtree has been hurt for almost 2 yrs.
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round tree is a solid back up. hardly "key". Antoine was a top 15 recruit but has barely played or practiced at nova due to injury. hasnt proven anything. not really key either but maybe eventually
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Xavier’s first game since Jan. 10th. Strong start. Up 29-17 on FS1.
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Bad bubble day for the Big East. Probably a 4-bid league if the tournament started today.
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I don’t think it help the Big East for Cooley & Company to lose th Ewing & Associates. The League is better off with a clear cellar dweller than have multiple mediocre teams. I guess that is life in The Big East where you can take any game for granted .
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The League is better off with a clear cellar dweller than have multiple mediocre teams. I guess that is life in The Big East where you can take any game for granted .
Right now there are two in the cellar. St. John's is a step above those two.
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Crosby-Roundtree and Antione. It's conceivable C-R wouldn't have played heavy mins but Antione is supposedly a stud. Roundtree has been hurt for almost 2 yrs.
Antione hurt or not was brutal last year. Anything he would have given this year would have been a positive.
They have all their top players available and Wright rarely goes very deep.
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Antione hurt or not was brutal last year. Anything he would have given this year would have been a positive.
They have all their top players available and Wright rarely goes very deep.
I think both would have been in the rotation. C-R played 20 mins a game in 2019. All I'm saying is they would have helped. "Key players" was the wrong choice of words.
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I think both would have been in the rotation. C-R played 20 mins a game in 2019. All I'm saying is they would have helped. "Key players" was the wrong choice of words.
Antoine has never been healthy . Came back to early from shoulder injury last year and dealing with more of the same this year
https://www.nj.com/setonhall/2020/12/former-ranney-star-bryan-antoine-still-a-long-way-away-from-playing-this-year-at-villanova.html
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Antoine has never been healthy . Came back to early from shoulder injury last year and dealing with more of the same this year
https://www.nj.com/setonhall/2020/12/former-ranney-star-bryan-antoine-still-a-long-way-away-from-playing-this-year-at-villanova.html
Fair enough. Nova is head and shoulders the best team in the BEast and have very little size. But they do have the ability to put 5 guys on the floor that can all dribble, pass, and shoot. Wright obviously knows what he's doing.
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Shorthanded DePaul leading #17 Creighton in the 2nd half. Games on CBSSN.
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Shorthanded DePaul leading #17 Creighton in the 2nd half. Games on CBSSN.
Classic Big East Battle between The Blue Jays and Blue Demons. Creighton will be very lucky to come out of this game with a W.
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Classic Big East Battle between The Blue Jays and Blue Demons. Creighton will be very lucky to come out of this game with a W.
CU was lucky. Our coach took the game away from the players and called plays himself. Not another bucket in final 2 minutes. And, we go from up 2 to lose by 7. TY coach, for the CU 9-0 run.
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Is the Villanova / Marquette game rescheduled? I hope it doesn’t for embarrassment sake
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Is the Villanova / Marquette game rescheduled? I hope it doesn’t for embarrassment sake
Not yet, and it may not be.
For the long term good of the program, hope it is though.
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Is the Villanova / Marquette game rescheduled? I hope it doesn’t for embarrassment sake
It would be like us this season to win the Nova game after getting destroyed by every other crap team.
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It looks like standings and BET seeding (if played) will be done by conference winning percentage:
Zach Braziller
@NYPost_Brazille
With the 11 Big East unlikely to all play 20 games, told final standings will go by winning percentage. #bigeasthoops
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looks like few reached out to wright to schedule a game this weekend since they are both free. jay said he wants to look for a B east team first. looks like it will be g town. instead of an epic top 3 showdown we get nova and a crap ass g town team. yay college bball
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1. When did Nova schedule Gonzaga??
2. Why the hell would the BE/Nova sacrifice that match up for a Gtown blood bath?
https://twitter.com/GoodmanHoops/status/1356769574276988930
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it wasnt scheduled few just asked. wright and big east decided on a big east opponent
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it wasnt scheduled few just asked. wright and big east decided on a big east opponent
Mental
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https://www.rumbleinthegarden.com/2021/2/3/22264244/st-johns-red-storm-villanova-wildcats-scouting-tv-preview
https://bustingbrackets.com/2021/02/02/st-johns-basketball-3-keys-red-storm-upsetting-no-3-villanova/
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Big win for The Hall tonight over Cooley & Company
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Big win for The Hall tonight over Cooley & Company
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Kevin Willard’s 200th at the Hall
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I remember when the talk was that Willard couldn't coach and everyone was counting the days until he was fired. Now, 10.5 years into his career at Seton Hall, he gets win 200. Congratulations, coach.
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I remember when the talk was that Willard couldn't coach and everyone was counting the days until he was fired. Now, 10.5 years into his career at Seton Hall, he gets win 200. Congratulations, coach.
Willard struggled in his first few years, but to his credit it was a much tougher conference then and he was going against the likes of Pitino, Boeheim, Brey, Buzz, Huggins, among others night in and night out. His path to victory is much easier now with the current setup and he has been much more consistent as a result.
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I remember when the talk was that Willard couldn't coach and everyone was counting the days until he was fired. Now, 10.5 years into his career at Seton Hall, he gets win 200. Congratulations, coach.
That’s nice for Seton Hall. I guess never making it past the second round of the Tourney (1-4) or NIT (1-1) isn’t as important in South Orange.
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Nova down 11 to St. J.
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Nova down 11 to St. J.
Now, 14. Games on CBSSN.
Georgetown up by 5 on Creighton on FS1.
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MU played better than Nova vs st johns but fire wojo?
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Now, 14. Games on CBSSN.
Georgetown up by 5 on Creighton on FS1.
Not great for tourney seeding of Nova loses this game. They seem to be completely out of sorts. 14 turns..
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Wow....this game looks over. St. J just beating Nova to smithereens.
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nova suks
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Not great for tourney seeding of Nova loses this game. They seem to be completely out of sorts. 14 turns..
It would put St. John's in the mix for a bid.
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It would have been nice if Gillespie played like this vs us instead of looking like Steve Nash.
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It would have been nice if Gillespie played like this vs us instead of looking like Steve Nash.
soon man
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Villanova loving the extra pass and the extra extra pass is killing them right now. Passing up good looks 2-3 times per possession to get a slightly better look is taking seconds off the clock every time down. They are not a team built to come back.
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Obviously, Nova is "mailing it in."
Oh, and Jay Wright is "defeated."
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Obviously, Nova is "mailing it in."
Oh, and Jay Wright is "defeated."
he should be fired
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Meanwhile....Gtown up 11 in Omaha with 6 mins to go. Wow just wow.
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Congrats to St Johns. That’s a solid win and they are trending upwards. Played some bottom half teams in their run and a buy game but are taking care of business nonetheless.
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Obviously, Nova is "mailing it in."
Why’s that?
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Congrats to St Johns. That’s a solid win and they are trending upwards. Played some bottom half teams in their run and a buy game but are taking care of business nonetheless.
Bottom half or not they took care of business. We didn’t.
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Not sure why that GT late shot clock 3 counted.
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Not sure why that GT late shot clock 3 counted.
Thought that too, but take a look at the actual clock on the basket. Clearly 1 second left when it was in the air.
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Not sure why that GT late shot clock 3 counted.
Did they even look at it?? WTH?
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Thought that too, but take a look at the actual clock on the basket. Clearly 1 second left when it was in the air.
Yeah, it was definitely good. Ball was well out of his hand before the shot clock hit zero. I was watching the basket clock the whole time after the earlier clock issues we had this season and when Raft said he didn't think it was good all I could think was "what the hell is he talking about?"
Did they even look at it?? WTH?
They did, but it was obviously good. Rewatch the shot but don't look at the unofficial TV clock, look at the clock on top of the stanchion. It was good.
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I don’t know why those damn clocks are always a second fast on the screen. Happened on the Carton drive against UW.
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I don’t know why those damn clocks are always a second fast on the screen. Happened on the Carton drive against UW.
I was reading something about it and it's because the clocks on screen are being kept in the studio separate from the arena. Those TV clocks are being ran by people that aren't even in the building.
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Meanwhile....Gtown up 11 in Omaha with 6 mins to go. Wow just wow.
How embarrassing for Marquette, having to rally from a huge deficit to beat Georgetown.
Shoulda simply lost to GT, like Creighton just did.
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How embarrassing for Marquette, having to rally from a huge deficit to beat Georgetown.
Shoulda simply lost to GT, like Creighton just did.
Can we go 6-2? Then ya never know.
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Why’s that?
Because after MU's loss to St. John's, one of our fellow Scoopers said:
This team looks to have mailed it in again.
And another Scooper said something about Wojo being "defeated."
I mean, there are plenty of things to get after this coach and our team about, but I get tired of reading about how our guys are quitting. It's total B.S.
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Ouch, Lavin just said Posh Alexander should get Freshman of the year over Garcia because winning should be part of the formula.
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Ouch, Lavin just said Posh Alexander should get Freshman of the year over Garcia because winning should be part of the formula.
Seems like a ridiculous comment with a ton of hoops left.
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How embarrassing for Marquette, having to rally from a huge deficit to beat Georgetown.
Shoulda simply lost to GT, like Creighton just did.
Mike
We’re 9-9, 5-7 in conference, solidly in 8th place. Why would anyone be embarrassed by that? Seashells and balloons, baby! Top coach, top program in the USA!
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Because after MU's loss to St. John's, one of our fellow Scoopers said:
And another Scooper said something about Wojo being "defeated."
I mean, there are plenty of things to get after this coach and our team about, but I get tired of reading about how our guys are quitting. It's total B.S.
I encourage you to rewatch Koby’s body language in the last minute of yesterday’s game. Specifically after he got tied up and gave a wave to brush off the coaching staff and also see how he reacted after he missed the first free throw up 2 before Butlers last attempt. It was frustrating to see a fifth year senior leader be so nonchalant about blowing another a big lead like that in the second half. I should have directed the comment more towards those instances versus the whole team in general. Need senior leadership in those critical moments.
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Mike
We’re 9-9, 5-7 in conference, solidly in 8th place. Why would anyone be embarrassed by that? Seashells and balloons, baby! Top coach, top program in the USA!
Why are you changing what I said to fit your narrative, Tony?
I was talking specifically about rallying to beat Georgetown -- a VICTORY that had most of Scoop outraged.
Would have been much better to have just lost, I guess.
But I take exception with your obviously serious observation that Marquette has the top coach and top program in the USA. I don't think we're any better than 3rd or 4th best.
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I encourage you to rewatch Koby’s body language in the last minute of yesterday’s game. Specifically after he got tied up and gave a wave to brush off the coaching staff and also see how he reacted after he missed the first free throw up 2 before Butlers last attempt. It was frustrating to see a fifth year senior leader be so nonchalant about blowing another a big lead like that in the second half. I should have directed the comment more towards those instances versus the whole team in general. Need senior leadership in those critical moments.
Ah ... so now you're saying Koby was "mailing it in" at the end of a win?
Your mailing it in comment came after the St. John's loss, as in, the reason Marquette lost is that the players were "mailing it in."
As for Koby's "nonchalance" upon missing his first of two free throws, you don't possibly think it could have been him trying to stay calm so that ... I don't know ... he could make the second? Which he did, thankfully.
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But I take exception with your obviously serious observation that Marquette has the top coach and top program in the USA. I don't think we're any better than 3rd or 4th best.
Sometimes I get carried away, over exuberant and hyperbolic. Thanks for keeping it real, Mike!
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And another Scooper said something about Wojo being "defeated."
I fully owned up to saying that due to the reports of his post games not having known anything myself. Idk why you're being an a$$ about it.
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If the Johnnies keep on performing well , MU’s victory over them may end up as a quality win.
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I fully owned up to saying that due to the reports of his post games not having known anything myself. Idk why you're being an a$$ about it.
Didn't mean to beat a dead horse. Sorry about that.
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It would have been nice if Gillespie played like this vs us instead of looking like Steve Nash.
You have to guard him. You have to actually strategize to disrupt him and take him out of the game.
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I don't understand some posters isolating one game or one loss for a good team as somehow justifying MUBB performance thus far.
Many good teams are going to lose a game once in a while. Is it fair game to also point out every win of the stronger performing teams. If so, that could take a while.
Marquette on the other hand, is what its record says it is right now. One game at a time and try to win every single game and we'll see where that winds up for MUBB.
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You have to guard him. You have to actually strategize to disrupt him and take him out of the game.
And not with Theo on the high switch.
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I don't understand some posters isolating one game or one loss for a good team as somehow justifying MUBB performance thus far.
Many good teams are going to lose a game once in a while. Is it fair game to also point out every win of the stronger performing teams. If so, that could take a while.
Marquette on the other hand, is what its record says it is right now. One game at a time and try to win every single game and we'll see where that winds up for MUBB.
I don't think that's what they are doing. 82 is repeatedly on record this year as wanting to fire Wojo, hell he said if he could he would have fired Wojo after the DePaul game and let Killings run things in the interim. He isn't trying to justify anything.
What 82 and others poke fun at is that there are those that make comments like Losing to DePaul is never acceptable, only a terrible coach could be down 18 to Georgetown, blowing a double digit second half lead is a fireable offense. There are plenty of posters who lose their minds over Marquette's single game results, regardless of the coach's record prior to that. Everyone agrees that Wojo's overall record is somewhere between uninspiring to fireable.
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And not with Theo on the high switch.
St. John's was able to disrupt him a lot with Alexander. And, converting 15 turnovers into 19 points took pressure off of half court offense.
Going into the game, Villanova was number 1 nationally per game with fewest turnovers. (8) and St. John's was 3rd Nationally in steals per game (9.9) Last night was a night for fast, athletic, tough pressure. It was Villanova's first game in Queens at SJU in 26 years. 2nd game after month off for COVID-19 pause.
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I don't think that's what they are doing. 82 is repeatedly on record this year as wanting to fire Wojo, hell he said if he could he would have fired Wojo after the DePaul game and let Killings run things in the interim. He isn't trying to justify anything.
What 82 and others poke fun at is that there are those that make comments like Losing to DePaul is never acceptable, only a terrible coach could be down 18 to Georgetown, blowing a double digit second half lead is a fireable offense. There are plenty of posters who lose their minds over Marquette's single game results, regardless of the coach's record prior to that. Everyone agrees that Wojo's overall record is somewhere between uninspiring to fireable.
I understand, and, I wasn't thinking of MU82 in my post.
I suppose I have a tendency to look past some of the one time posters after losses, and/or the posters who only show up after losses. I have seen some regular posters do this.
I think we all, or almost all understand that every team will lose a game here snd there in upset fashion, etc...but some of those teams are significantly more consistent than Marquette.
MUBB has a fundamentals challenge. They are not consistently strong enough with the ball, moving the ball, and moving without the ball, both ends, making adjustments. Some of this is player development, some of it is recruiting. (I also see many posts saying recruiting isn't a factor, but for me roster construction is good enough at the guard/wing position. Some of it is physical, some of it is mental etc...
They are what they are, good enough in flashes, but that hasn't been nearly long enough or consistent enough over the season to be a solid NCAA team at this time.
Garcia, Lewis, and Carton have been typically inconsistent but promising new players. For me, that means the roster around them has to be better constructed to allow for that inconsistent but newcomer promise.
I don't see much improved 2/3 spots on the roster for next year at this time. (Addition and subtraction) The previous mentioned 3 players will expectedly be more polished which helps a lot. Add Aidoo and the front court looks good with some depth. But I don't see how MU will be much better if at all at the 2/3 next season. Sure the Freshmen guards will help but how much and where remains to be seen. If you aren't going to recruit athletic switchable players, fundamentals need to be sound, etc...with what you have.
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St. John's was able to disrupt him a lot with Alexander. And, converting 15 turnovers into 19 points took pressure off of half court offense.
Going into the game, Villanova was number 1 nationally per game with fewest turnovers. (8) and St. John's was 3rd Nationally in steals per game (9.9) Last night was a night for fast, athletic, tough pressure. It was Villanova's first game in Queens at SJU in 26 years. 2nd game after month off for COVID-19 pause.
Alexander is a good one and fun to watch. He brings energy on both ends all the time. He has been very efficient his last five games too, really progressing.
Wojo is a combo guard guy with the Duke system. But, other than Traci, he hadn't signed a true PG which is more the BE style of play. I prefer Uptempo DJ versus Half Court DJ--I think his play would be more even and MU is better offensively.
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Lots of good points. MU unlike St.J and other teams cannot generate offense from their defense. They don't force turns and struggle with physical play on the perimeter without fouling. We never draw charges and our traps are weak and easy to break.
Alexander is a good one and fun to watch. He brings energy on both ends all the time. He has been very efficient his last five games too, really progressing.
Wojo is a combo guard guy with the Duke system. But, other than Traci, he hadn't signed a true PG which is more the BE style of play. I prefer Uptempo DJ versus Half Court DJ--I think his play would be more even and MU is better offensively.
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It would have been nice if Gillespie played like this vs us instead of looking like Steve Nash.
then we need a defender to throw him off his game. Posh is one of the best defenders in the conference and took Gillespie out of the game. Kobe and Carton - not so much.
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then we need a defender to throw him off his game. Posh is one of the best defenders in the conference and took Gillespie out of the game. Kobe and Carton - not so much.
Wasn't Wojo DPOY at Duke? Can he not scheme with either DJ or Koby to relentlessly hound Gillespie? There is no reason they should be poor defensive players, especially DJ.
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I don't think that's what they are doing. 82 is repeatedly on record this year as wanting to fire Wojo, hell he said if he could he would have fired Wojo after the DePaul game and let Killings run things in the interim. He isn't trying to justify anything.
What 82 and others poke fun at is that there are those that make comments like Losing to DePaul is never acceptable, only a terrible coach could be down 18 to Georgetown, blowing a double digit second half lead is a fireable offense. There are plenty of posters who lose their minds over Marquette's single game results, regardless of the coach's record prior to that. Everyone agrees that Wojo's overall record is somewhere between uninspiring to fireable.
Exactly.
I understand, and, I wasn't thinking of MU82 in my post.
I suppose I have a tendency to look past some of the one time posters after losses, and/or the posters who only show up after losses. I have seen some regular posters do this.
I think we all, or almost all understand that every team will lose a game here snd there in upset fashion, etc...but some of those teams are significantly more consistent than Marquette.
MUBB has a fundamentals challenge. They are not consistently strong enough with the ball, moving the ball, and moving without the ball, both ends, making adjustments. Some of this is player development, some of it is recruiting. (I also see many posts saying recruiting isn't a factor, but for me roster construction is good enough at the guard/wing position. Some of it is physical, some of it is mental etc...
They are what they are, good enough in flashes, but that hasn't been nearly long enough or consistent enough over the season to be a solid NCAA team at this time.
Garcia, Lewis, and Carton have been typically inconsistent but promising new players. For me, that means the roster around them has to be better constructed to allow for that inconsistent but newcomer promise.
I don't see much improved 2/3 spots on the roster for next year at this time. (Addition and subtraction) The previous mentioned 3 players will expectedly be more polished which helps a lot. Add Aidoo and the front court looks good with some depth. But I don't see how MU will be much better if at all at the 2/3 next season. Sure the Freshmen guards will help but how much and where remains to be seen. If you aren't going to recruit athletic switchable players, fundamentals need to be sound, etc...with what you have.
Some outstanding points in here. Unless one of next year's freshmen turns out to be a star or unless Perez/Akanno can have a breakout year - and even if then - the 2/3 is an area where Wojo needs to hit the transfer market hard if we're gonna be significantly better next season.
We should be in pretty good shape at the 4/5 if our two freshmen come back, if Oso develops and if Aidoo can play a little. That's some nice skill, size and depth.
But DJ is the only given at 1/2/3 ... and a whole lotta folks said when he was in the transfer portal that he only wanted to play one year. If he goes ... yikes.
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Wasn't Wojo DPOY at Duke? Can he not scheme with either DJ or Koby to relentlessly hound Gillespie? There is no reason they should be poor defensive players, especially DJ.
Being good at something doesn't mean you are good at teaching that thing.
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Being good at something doesn't mean you are good at teaching that thing.
True dat. What a sad situation.
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Being good at something doesn't mean you are good at teaching that thing.
And conversely, a lot of guys who played little to no competitive basketball have been good coaches.
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The last day that both St. John's and Georgetown beat ranked opponents? 1992. Wild.
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I once watched a Rick Majerus practice where he spent the better part of two hours getting a player to point his toe properly on defense.
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Wasn't Wojo DPOY at Duke? Can he not scheme with either DJ or Koby to relentlessly hound Gillespie? There is no reason they should be poor defensive players, especially DJ.
there is more than just being taught to be a good defender that makes one as good as someone like Posh. Lateral quickness is a big one, as is instinct. Think about Dennis Rodman and Ben Wallace, they were such good rebounders because they studied angles and had instincts as to where a missed shot was going to go, as well as the length to beat out guys bigger than them. Could they teach others that? Maybe, but they also need the physical component.
Plus, players have to be willing to put in the work too. Wojo can coach them up but it doesn't mean the player will or even can perform.
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Posh is gonna be a pain in the neck for BEast opponents for the next 3 years. Really like the way he plays. He reminds me a little of Tony Miller.
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18-2 run by Connecticut. Seton Hall still up 38-36 on FOX.
Butler has come back to take the lead versus DePaul. 46-39. Games on FS1.
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11-2 run by Providence. St. John's up 43-36. Games on FS1.
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Solid win for The Hall over U Conn. Also Butler notches another win over The Blue Demons
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Solid win for The Hall over U Conn. Also Butler notches another win over The Blue Demons
DePaul loss was bad then and will look worse as the season progresses.
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DePaul loss was bad then and will look worse as the season progresses.
Yes. Terrible loss GW.
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DePaul loss was bad then and will look worse as the season progresses.
Our Johnnie win is now begin to take the look of a quality victory.
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Our Johnnie win is now begin to take the look of a quality victory.
Cancelled out by a home loss to DePaul.
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Nova and GT tied with about 8 minutes to go.
If and when Nova wins, Wright & Co. will be happy to have pulled out a victory. Any victory is good.
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Tuesday 2/9
St. John's @ Butler, 8:00, FS1 - Joe Davis, Steve Lavin
Line: Butler -1/138.5
19 Creighton @ Georgetown, 8:00, CBSSN - Andrew Catalon, Steve Lappas
Line: Creighton -7.5/150.5
I'm surprised by both lines tonight.
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Tuesday 2/9
St. John's @ Butler, 8:00, FS1 - Joe Davis, Steve Lavin
Line: Butler -1/138.5
19 Creighton @ Georgetown, 8:00, CBSSN - Andrew Catalon, Steve Lappas
Line: Creighton -7.5/150.5
I'm surprised by both lines tonight.
I love the way Posh Alexander defends full court. Exactly the kind of player I'd like at MU.
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St. John's is so streaky. Go by big runs and give up big runs. Marquette, Providence and even in the half versus Butler.
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Wow. Incredible turn by St.J up 2 and with the ball. This would be a disastrous loss for the Johnnies.
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Yep. Overtime
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Killer loss and not good for the BEast. We only have two locks, rough year.
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SJU decision making/execution was BRUTAL in that last minute.
They had the ball with 50 plus seconds left with the game tied. How in the hell did they not go 2 for 1? That was atrocious. Then their awful inbounds pass, not doubling Thompson. That was a dumpster fire last minute.
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Wow. Incredible turn by St.J up 2 and with the ball. This would be a disastrous loss for the Johnnies.
The same thing caused the loss to Georgetown. Inbounding against backcourt pressure.
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Killer loss and not good for the BEast. We only have two locks, rough year.
Butler moves ahead of MU in the BE standings. Not good for MU.
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Butler moves ahead of MU in the BE standings. Not good for MU.
I didn't even realize that Dr.B. Not good at all.
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UCONN chokes away a very winnable game late to Providence. Further solidifying the conference as Nova, Creighton, and a bunch of mediocrity
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I didn't even realize that Dr.B. Not good at all.
Butler has improved since Bo Hodges became eligible . No easy wins in this conference.
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Bad loss for UCONN. Not a good seasom for the BEast. May only get two teams which would suck.
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Bad loss for UCONN. Not a good seasom for the BEast. May only get two teams which would suck.
Muggsy- a lot of parity in this league. Any team that can get to 10 wins in conference will make the tournament. That has pretty much been the standard during the 18 game conference seasons, I think it will be this year even though it is a 20 game conference season , given all that has been going on with Covid.
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Muggsy- a lot of parity in this league. Any team that can get to 10 wins in conference will make the tournament. That has pretty much been the standard during the 18 game conference seasons, I think it will be this year even though it is a 20 game conference season , given all that has been going on with Covid.
I don't see it Herman but have not studied the potential bubble closely. 10-10 in the league will get you in? The BEast unlike past seasons is the 5th or 6th best conf.
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Bad loss for UCONN. Not a good seasom for the BEast. May only get two teams which would suck.
We'll still get at least 4. Nova & Creighton are the locks, but there's plenty of garbage on the bubble (hence why MU stayed in the mix so long) and Xavier, Seton Hall, UConn, and St John's are decent enough that 2 of them should get in, though possibly in the 10-12 seed range.
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We'll still get at least 4. Nova & Creighton are the locks, but there's plenty of garbage on the bubble (hence why MU stayed in the mix so long) and Xavier, Seton Hall, UConn, and St John's are decent enough that 2 of them should get in, though possibly in the 10-12 seed range.
We win the BE tournament to get auto bid, scoopers heads explode. Wojo keeps his job.
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Wee mae knot even bea invited two da BE Tourney da wey thin's ar goin', hey?
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We'll still get at least 4. Nova & Creighton are the locks, but there's plenty of garbage on the bubble (hence why MU stayed in the mix so long) and Xavier, Seton Hall, UConn, and St John's are decent enough that 2 of them should get in, though possibly in the 10-12 seed range.
Yeah, it’s looking like between 4-6. I would only set the over-under for total conference wins at 2.5 though as I don’t expect much from the Big East in the tournament. Pretty weak league this year. Hope to be wrong as I like to pull for other conference teams in NCAA.
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We win the BE tournament to get auto bid, scoopers heads explode. Wojo keeps his job.
I have a heart condition. Are you trying to kill me?
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Bad loss for UCONN. Not a good seasom for the BEast. May only get two teams which would suck.
Covid shut-downs have really hurt, but seems people are overlooking Xavier a bit. They didn't look good early on in some wins and they've missed several games, but they have put together a very good record, including beating No. 12 Oklahoma by 22. Barring some bad losses down the stretch, X should be in line for a 7 seed or so. Hardly a bubble team.
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We win the BE tournament to get auto bid, scoopers heads explode. Wojo keeps his job.
You meant to keep this in teal. We can't even beat DePaul. So winning the BET is just a cloud of hashish smoke floating above your head
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Bad loss for UCONN. Not a good seasom for the BEast. May only get two teams which would suck.
UConn better hope Bouknight gets back soon. 1-5 since he went down against us. The fact he was on the court for their comeback/our meltdown even though he couldn't contribute shows his importance.
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UConn better hope Bouknight gets back soon. 1-5 since he went down against us. The fact he was on the court for their comeback/our meltdown even though he couldn't contribute shows his importance.
He really wasn't on the court for the comeback. They played much, much better when he wasn't on the court against Marquette. Marquette was up 41-23 when UCONN took a timeout with 17:03 and Bouknight came out. He made a very short appearance when UCONN had cut the lead to 7 but went back to the bench very shortly after, and then didn't check back in until it was 52-50 Marquette.
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I feel the game is bigger for UConn than Xavier. Yet, big one for both.
61-54 Uconn. Games on FOX
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I feel the game is bigger for UConn than Xavier. Yet, big one for both.
61-54 Uconn. Games on FOX
I have no idea how to evaluate XU or UCONN.
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I've got to admit, I'm rooting hard for Georgetown today. Tenth place with two losses to the eleventh team might get the attention of those that hire and fire.
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I just saw the BEast individual stats in the 5 major categories.
Scoring: No MU player in top 5
Rebounding: No MU player in top 5
Assists: No MU player in top 5
Steals: No MU player in top 5
Blocks: Theo is #4 with 1.8.
Not exactly impressive numbers.
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I just saw the BEast individual stats in the 5 major categories.
Scoring: No MU player in top 5
Rebounding: No MU player in top 5
Assists: No MU player in top 5
Steals: No MU player in top 5
Blocks: Theo is #4 with 1.8.
Not exactly impressive numbers.
Those numbers don't tell you much beyond who gets a ton of minutes. Here's more relevant stats:
eFG%: Cain is #5 with 59.6%
OR%: Garcia is #2 with 12.2%, Lewis is #5 with 10.6%
DR%: No MU players in top 5 (top is Lewis at #9)
ARate: No MU players in top 5 (top is Carton at #9)
Stl%: No MU players in top 25
Blk%: No MU players top 5 (top is John at #7)
Still not great, but your numbers don't tell you much other than MU's production is more balanced amongst 6 players and other teams rely a little more on specific player.
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Great half of hoops from Creighton. Only up 6 but Zeg is on fire.
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I just saw the BEast individual stats in the 5 major categories.
Scoring: No MU player in top 5
Rebounding: No MU player in top 5
Assists: No MU player in top 5
Steals: No MU player in top 5
Blocks: Theo is #4 with 1.8.
Not exactly impressive numbers.
You forgot one stat, Most excuses offered by Fans: MU Scoop
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The fact that the Jays are destroying Nova makes Wednesday's ass whooping even worse. We are nowhere near where we need to be. It's also worth noting that 9th in the BEast this year is worse than 9th the past 6 years. This conf is down considerably.
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The fact that the Jays are destroying Nova makes Wednesday's ass whooping even worse. We are nowhere near where we need to be. It's also worth noting that 9th in the BEast this year is worse than 9th the past 6 years. This conf is down considerably.
Totally agree. It’s a sad time to be a Marquette fan.
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Totally agree. It’s a sad time to be a Marquette fan.
And remember we beat this Creighton team in Omaha. Obviously that was one night and anything can happen in a single game but it's still tough to stomach as an MU fan.
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The fact that the Jays are destroying Nova makes Wednesday's ass whooping even worse. We are nowhere near where we need to be. It's also worth noting that 9th in the BEast this year is worse than 9th the past 6 years. This conf is down considerably.
What about 10th?
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What about 10th?
Do you think we'll win another game? 10th is certainly a possibility. Smh.
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And remember we beat this Creighton team in Omaha. Obviously that was one night and anything can happen in a single game but it's still tough to stomach as an MU fan.
Yep. The talent is there. This team has the same look as last season when they looked totally clueless at the end of the year. So many years of going backwards as the season goes on.
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Do you think we'll win another game? 10th is certainly a possibility. Smh.
Well it's a reality today with Georgetown's win
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Creighton with an outstanding showing!
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Well it's a reality today with Georgetown's win
Jordan may well be on hot seat if they continue to bottom out. He’s shown very little so far. Not that much better than Wojo.
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Yep. The talent is there. This team has the same look as last season when they looked totally clueless at the end of the year. So many years of going backwards as the season goes on.
Exactly right. It's that "totally clueless" look of complete resignation. I think the excuse train is over.
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Exactly right. It's that "totally clueless" look of complete resignation. I think the excuse train is over.
This season has the same feeling as Buzz’s last year.
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Jordan may well be on hot seat if they continue to bottom out. He’s shown very little so far. Not that much better than Wojo.
Butler is 2 slots ahead of MU. MU is 10th. % wise.
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This season has the same feeling as Buzz’s last year.
Yes, but without the years of relevance and success just prior.
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Yes, but without the years of relevance and success just prior.
And the possibility of a pathetic coach returning for another season.
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The fact that the Jays are destroying Nova makes Wednesday's ass whooping even worse.
Fair ... but does it make our win over Creighton and close loss to Creighton better?
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Fair ... but does it make our win over Creighton and close loss to Creighton better?
Nope. I think the tremendous amount of patience MU fans have shown should be commended. It has been extraordinary. Those who suggest otherwise, or that we have been unfair, are frankly spewing utter nonsense. This is a historically prime-time program and it's time to get back to fielding great teams that are capable of inflicting damage in March/April.
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Nope. I think the tremendous amount of patience MU fans have shown should be commended. It has been extraordinary.
You must be new here
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10th is certainly a possibility.
I'm hoping for a Blue Demon hot streak. This fargone season is lost anyway.
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Nope. I think the tremendous amount of patience MU fans have shown should be commended. It has been extraordinary. Those who suggest otherwise, or that we have been unfair, are frankly spewing utter nonsense. This is a historically prime-time program and it's time to get back to fielding great teams that are capable of inflicting damage in March/April.
See, I actually don't think it makes our win over Creighton "better," nor do I think it makes our loss to Nova "worse." They all are unrelated, each their own entities.
As for patient Scoopers ... as TAMU said, you're obviously new here.
One thing we all share is a desire for Marquette to become great at basketball again.
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Bouknight is back for UCONN. That could be a problem for us but will help their tournament chances.
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Bouknight is back for UCONN. That could be a problem for us but will help their tournament chances.
Most importantly Bouknight, but they’re also getting two rotation guys back, Akok and Andre Jackson.
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Most importantly Bouknight, but they’re also getting two rotation guys back, Akok and Andre Jackson.
I may have to put that one in the doubtful column. I honestly think we should hit the trifecta with Butler, XU, and DePaul.
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I may have to put that one in the doubtful column. I honestly think we should hit the trifecta with Butler, XU, and DePaul.
If we get one of those three I'd say that's exceeding expectations.
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If we get one of those three I'd say that's exceeding expectations.
I get it and I'm not saying we will win all three. But I feel strongly we should based on roster talent. If we were to lose out I believe Wojo will resign.
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SJU looking good at the half against X. Champagnie and Alexander just keep getting better.
X has only played 14 games so far...and they look like it.
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SJU looking good at the half against X. Champagnie and Alexander just keep getting better.
X has only played 14 games so far...and they look like it.
I'm not convinced at all XU will make the tournament. St. J is fun to watch when they are causing havoc.
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I get it and I'm not saying we will win all three. But I feel strongly we should based on roster talent. If we were to lose out I believe Wojo will resign.
And leave all that money on the table? He's going to bleed MU dry.
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I am going to ignore reality for a moment and say that I think we win both the Butler and DePaul games.
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I am going to ignore reality for a moment and say that I think we win both the Butler and DePaul games.
As long as you're ignoring reality, you might as well imagine they actually have a BET, which MU wins. Then six straight in Indy and we're running down Wisconsin Avenue.
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Good article in NY Post on The Johnnies push for Tournament. Johnnies get a lot of positive press in NY.
https://nypost.com/2021/02/17/st-johns-depth-keying-ncaa-tournament-push/
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Waiting for the great Ed Cooley to put on the "big stretch drive he always does" (but doesn't actually).
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There are only two BEast tourney bid shoe-ins. It's quite sad but there is no way XU or UCONN are locks with all their missed games. Ir would not be shocking if we just get two. Very disappointing.
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As long as you're ignoring reality, you might as well imagine they actually have a BET, which MU wins. Then six straight in Indy and we're running down Wisconsin Avenue.
I'm ignoring reality for 2 games and am half way there with the Butler win.
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There are only two BEast tourney bid shoe-ins. It's quite sad but there is no way XU or UCONN are locks with all their missed games. Ir would not be shocking if we just get two. Very disappointing.
It would be absolutely, completely shocking if the Big East only had 2 teams in the Tournament.
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It would be absolutely, completely shocking if the Big East only had 2 teams in the Tournament.
Seems like at least two of Seton Hall, Xavier, UConn, and St John's will get in. Especially if the bubble keeps imploding like it did the past two days.
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Seems like at least two of Seton Hall, Xavier, UConn, and St John's will get in. Especially if the bubble keeps imploding like it did the past two days.
I hope you're right but I'm not convinced yet. Gtown up 5 on The Hall btw under 8 mins.
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Georgetown wins, 81-75
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https://nypost.com/2021/02/20/marcellus-earlington-starting-to-step-up-game-for-st-johns/
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Mid second half DePaul kicking the Johnnie's (15) in NYC.
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Mid second half DePaul kicking the Johnnie's (15) in NYC.
No one harms the Big East quite like DePaul
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DePaul beats Saint
John’s at Saint John’s
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The DePaul win tonight doesn't help our league.
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St John’s net might plummet into the 80s. They are on the wrong side of the bubble now I’d say.
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Tough night for the Mike Anderson crowd. All those years of mediocrity can’t be ignored again
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lol bubble squads of course lose to depaul and gtown tonight. The stars may allign perfectly for the big east to get 2 or 3 . The "next five out" could include like 3 big east teams
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lol bubble squads of course lose to depaul and gtown tonight. The stars may allign perfectly for the big east to get 2 or 3 bids . The "next five out" could include like 3 big east teams
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Yep. Seton Hall and St. John's with bad loses today. UConn missed out on a statement win.
Xavier on Sunday can't have a let down versus Butler.
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The Big East is simple this year. Nova and Jays are surefire NCAA teams. DePaul is unnatural carnal knowledgeing terrible. Every other sqaud is mediocre.
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The Big East is simple this year. Nova and Jays are surefire NCAA teams. DePaul is unnatural carnal knowledgeing terrible. Every other sqaud is mediocre.
I think DePaul would have been better had they been able to actually play games before the end of December. They were off of practice too, They have 6 to 8 conference win talent. A new coach will get a pretty nice roster next year...assuming Moore is back,
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The Big East is simple this year. Nova and Jays are surefire NCAA teams. DePaul is unnatural carnal knowledgeing terrible. Every other sqaud is mediocre.
Agree totally with this. Those who think Marquette is materially worse than anybody not named Villanova and Creighton (and maybe not even Creighton) just hasn't been paying attention.
That's not a great consolation prize, more of a missed opportunity. The league was ripe for the pickin' this season, at least the league after Nova.
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The Big East is simple this year. Nova and Jays are surefire NCAA teams. DePaul is unnatural carnal knowledgeing terrible. Every other sqaud is mediocre.
Sign me up for MU being/becoming mediocre. Prior to last season ending I predicted MU a .500 team this year and I foresee next year being worse. It pains me to have so low of expectations for MU, but I got to call them like I see them. Of couse I'm also one of the geniuses that whole heartedly agree with his last extension, so I may not be a solid basketball expert.
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The Big East is simple this year. Nova and Jays are surefire NCAA teams. DePaul is unnatural carnal knowledgeing terrible. Every other sqaud is mediocre.
The BEast sucks this year, which says a lot for Wojo-Dukiets coaching acumen putting us in the bottom 3.
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It's been a very disappointing year. I look at the teams in this league and believe we had every opportunity to be in the top 4 and at least hav le a chance of making the dance.
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X with a much needed win over Butler tonight
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Ever since Marquette’s game with Georgetown got postponed things have turned around in different directions for both programs. I believe MU has gone 2-6 after being 8-6 and GU has gone 4-2 after being 3-8 I believe.
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Wish Marquette was playing Georgetown or a home buy game but a game against UNC is better than no game and could be fun to watch. But “if” the Big East Tournament started today MU would be playing GU in the 8/9 game is my belief or understanding.
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Seton Hall's bubble might be popping.
Trailing Butler 45-37. 7:38 left on CBSSN
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Seton Hall's bubble might be popping.
Trailing Butler 45-37. 7:38 left on CBSSN
Good.
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Good.
Agreed.
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Seton Hall's bubble might be popping.
Trailing Butler 45-37. 7:38 left on CBSSN
maybe our win at Butler was better than many here thought.
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Good.
Yep
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3 big east teams in the tourney?
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3 big east teams in the tourney?
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I assume we want X to beat the Dence?
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I assume we want X to beat the Dence?
Yes.
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3 big east teams in the tourney?
UConn not a lock yet. Look out for this Saturday
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3 big east teams in the tourney?
If we beat Connecticut, it's a very real possibility. And while I didn't think there was any way a week ago, there's a realistic path to just two bids as 'Nova and Creighton are pretty solidly in. But if...
- UConn loses to Marquette and at Seton Hall before beating Georgetown...
- Seton Hall beats UConn but loses to St. John's...
- Xavier loses to Providence, at Creighton, and either at Georgetown or Marquette...
This is a two-bid league. And the most likely third team just might end up Marquette, if they managed to knock off UConn and Xavier in the above scenarios while also getting revenge on DePaul. This league is just terrible.
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I assume we want X to beat the Dence?
Not quite sure on that. Great night for MUs NET if you hold on to any tourney dreams. Beating UNC with a wide margin, combined with a fairly comfortable Butler win (who MU has swept), combined with a Providence win (who MU has beaten) is pretty much the best combination of results possible.
I’d expect a jump to the mid 80s in the NET, with a win Saturday moving Marquette up into the 70s.
The NET is easily the biggest hindrance to MUs bid if they get enough wins so any additional spots of improvement help.
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Not quite sure on that. Great night for MUs NET if you hold on to any tourney dreams. Beating UNC with a wide margin, combined with a fairly comfortable Butler win (who MU has swept), combined with a Providence win (who MU has beaten) is pretty much the best combination of results possible.
I’d expect a jump to the mid 80s in the NET, with a win Saturday moving Marquette up into the 70s.
The NET is easily the biggest hindrance to MUs bid if they get enough wins so any additional spots of improvement help.
Saturday is the key DoctorV. I think we will win out before the BET if we take out UCONN. Now that doesn't mean we are a tourney team unless we win the BET but I do think we are capable of winning out.
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If we beat Connecticut, it's a very real possibility. And while I didn't think there was any way a week ago, there's a realistic path to just two bids as 'Nova and Creighton are pretty solidly in. But if...
- UConn loses to Marquette and at Seton Hall before beating Georgetown...
- Seton Hall beats UConn but loses to St. John's...
- Xavier loses to Providence, at Creighton, and either at Georgetown or Marquette...
This is a two-bid league. And the most likely third team just might end up Marquette, if they managed to knock off UConn and Xavier in the above scenarios while also getting revenge on DePaul. This league is just terrible.
Brew you seem pretty confident in MUs chances if they win out and get a few in the BET, but what about that 50 spot gap between Marquette and UConn, SH, and X in the NET?
15-20 spots of that gap might be closed tonight but even in best case scenarios it would seem hard for MU to jump ahead of those three.
I understand the big Q1 wins with UW and CU but the NET is the NCAAs tool after all
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I don't know what Kunkel has done tonight - I'm guessing not much - but since he threw in that lucky-ass 3 against us, he's .226 from 3 going into tonight. He had 22 against us but only one other game with more than 8.
Not that I'm bitter or anything.
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This is a 2 bid league right now imo. I know people don't want to hear this and maybe it's a soft bubble but there is no way either UCONN or XU are locks.
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I don't know what Kunkel has done tonight - I'm guessing not much - but since he threw in that lucky-ass 3 against us, he's .226 from 3 going into tonight. He had 22 against us but only one other game with more than 8.
Not that I'm bitter or anything.
lol called it. bs
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Like 8 days ago we were discussing how we were not going to win another game. Now we’re discussing winning out. I love Scoop.
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Like 8 days ago we were discussing how we were not going to win another game. Now we’re discussing winning out. I love Scoop.
Fair point and I'm guilty but watching these teams there is no doubt we are capable of winning out.
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I don't know what Kunkel has done tonight - I'm guessing not much - but since he threw in that lucky-ass 3 against us, he's .226 from 3 going into tonight. He had 22 against us but only one other game with more than 8.
Not that I'm bitter or anything.
That shot, after big MU lead, Pulley going off for 22 second half points after big MU lead, home losses to DePaul and SJU were the four deal season breaker losses.
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Saturday is the key DoctorV. I think we will win out before the BET if we take out UCONN. Now that doesn't mean we are a tourney team unless we win the BET but I do think we are capable of winning out.
I’m just happy Saturday now has some added importance and I can enjoy some sun, several scotches/IPAs, a cigar, and a valuable MUbb game.
A win Saturday would feel great and then one at a time. I’m trying to convince myself that if MU wins out in the regular season they can get to the finals of the BET and make the dance without the auto bid but I’m not quite there yet.
I do think playing, and obviously beating, Georgetown would help and could be the difference with that .500 conf record, some quality wins, and a deep run in the conf tourney
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This is a 2 bid league right now imo. I know people don't want to hear this and maybe it's a soft bubble but there is no way either UCONN or XU are locks.
Of course they are not locks. These bubble teams like SH, St. John's are blowing chances versus teams like DePAUL, Georgetown, Butler. Now, Xavier is 1-3 since the Covid break.
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I don't know what Kunkel has done tonight - I'm guessing not much - but since he threw in that lucky-ass 3 against us, he's .226 from 3 going into tonight. He had 22 against us but only one other game with more than 8.
Not that I'm bitter or anything.
I stated this would happen 10 mins after the end of that game. Pisses me off that I was right.
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Of course they are not locks. These bubble teams like SH, St. John's are blowing chances versus teams like DePAUL, Georgetown, Butler. Now, Xavier is 1-3 since the Covid break.
I am biased but believe we are the 4th best talent-wise in this league. I'll slot us behind UCONN if Bouk was healthy. The two losses to the Hall are beyond upsetting.
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Lots of upsetting losses, Muggs. It was that kind of season.
Sometimes, there are games where you can't do anything right and it just feels like even when you have a little run, you can't sustain anything, and the other team just blows you out. Louisville no doubt felt like that against UNC. And we felt like that twice against Nova.
Well, that's how this entire season has been for us. Just couldn't ever really get anything going.
It's not an excuse. I still think Wojo should be fired, even though I doubt he will be. It's just what happened.
I try not to do too much "what-iffing" because it just frustrates the heck out of me!
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Brew you seem pretty confident in MUs chances if they win out and get a few in the BET, but what about that 50 spot gap between Marquette and UConn, SH, and X in the NET?
15-20 spots of that gap might be closed tonight but even in best case scenarios it would seem hard for MU to jump ahead of those three.
I understand the big Q1 wins with UW and CU but the NET is the NCAAs tool after all
I'm expecting a big jump tomorrow. Probably low 80s. Had we held onto the early margin, we might've cracked the 70s. I feel like it's easier for big margins of victory to lead to big NET jumps than it is in metrics like kenpom. I think that's because the so-called "10-point cap" actually gives you extra points for wins, with any double-digit wins getting the biggest boost.
Tonight's win was probably 22 points better than expected, and with the double-digit win, we'll jump nicely come morning, I expect. Do something similar against UConn and we'll jump further. Both the DePaul and Xavier wins are close to 50/50 games so if we win, those will also move us up some.
We've already seen low NET teams get at-large bids. See ASU (63) and St. John's (73) in 2019. If we have 5+ Quadrant 1 wins with no more than the one bad loss (DePaul) I like our chances. We still need to get to 16-13 just to have a record worth putting in (I'd be worried if I were Indiana at 12-11, despite some nice wins) but the path is there. Win to the semis (I don't believe it, but for the sake of argument) and they'll have enough quality on the resume to at least get their metrics into the 50s-60s and more quality at the top of the resume than anyone else on the bubble.
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XU's unis????
WTH?
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XU's unis????
WTH?
I guess Xabier had gold as part of their color scheme...for 3-4 seasons in the mid 70s...when they were an independent...and never finished above .500 or made the post season. What a bizarre era throwback to embrace
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I thought Creighton was playing some team in the B-West.
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Creighton in double bonus while they have been called for 2 fouls in the second half.
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Giant win for Xavier. They will be in the NCAA Tournament barring they crap out versus Georgetown and Marquette next week.
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Xavier 77 Creighton 69
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Giant win for Xavier. They will be in the NCAA Tournament barring they crap out versus Georgetown and Marquette next week.
They certainly helped themselves but I still think they have work to do.
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creighton is not that good tbh. could be first round bye bye
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Nova looks awful at Hinkle. I assume they will blow them out in the 2nd half but this can't make Jay Wright happy.
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Nova looks awful at Hinkle. I assume they will blow them out in the 2nd half but this can't make Jay Wright happy.
Amazing what a good defense (Butler third in BE can do for a crappy team. If there is any bigger indictment of Wojo is his defensive scheme and how Jordan can have his less talented team ahead of MU based on defense alone.
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Amazing what a good defense (Butler third in BE can do for a crappy team. If there is any bigger indictment of Wojo is his defensive scheme and how Jordan can have his less talented team ahead of MU based on defense alone.
I strongly agree with you Dr. B. Butler is also doing this without Thompson. Amazing performance thus far.
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It’s about making shots, and Butler has some shooters, as well as defending the 3, which MU does not
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Whoa....did you see that flop tech foul??? Crazy call.
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I have to say....Gillespie gets away with a lot of garbage. Constantly pushes off and can be a total heck.
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Whoa....did you see that flop tech foul??? Crazy call.
Horrible call.
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Butler 73 Villanova 61 10 seconds left
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Butler 73 Villanova 61 Final
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Villanova’s defense is pretty “meh”. Can see them getting bounced on the first weekend.
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Villanova’s defense is pretty “meh”. Can see them getting bounced on the first weekend.
Ice cold from three too and way too dependent upon it.
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Ice cold from three too and way too dependent upon it.
Yup, 38% of their scoring comes from it. They don’t get to the line at all.
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Marquette’s victories against Villanova occurred when Villanova was cold from outside.
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Not sure but I feel it was good for MU when Markus was on the NCAA board. I feel it is bad for MU that Butler’s Barry Collier is on the current NCAA board with no term limits.
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Villanova’s defense is pretty “meh”. Can see them getting bounced on the first weekend.
When they were trouncing us a couple of weeks ago, I did not think they were a great team. As soon as they have a so so shooting night they will get beat in NCAA tournament. I think the Big East in total will not win more than 3 NCAA games.
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When they were trouncing us a couple of weeks ago, I did not think they were a great team. As soon as they have a so so shooting night they will get beat in NCAA tournament. I think the Big East in total will not win more than 3 NCAA games.
Wouldn’t surprise me. The league is pretty weak. Losing Chris Mack and Chris Holtmann hurt the league. Their replacements haven’t been as good.
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Amazing what a good defense (Butler third in BE can do for a crappy team. If there is any bigger indictment of Wojo is his defensive scheme and how Jordan can have his less talented team ahead of MU based on defense alone.
Jordan is obviously better than Wojo. That’s why he has lost 5 of his last 6 to Wojo, 4 of them blowouts, including a 100-point loss less than 2 weeks ago.
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Jordan is obviously better than Wojo. That’s why he has lost 5 of his last 6 to Wojo, 4 of them blowouts, including a 100-point loss less than 2 weeks ago.
Of course that is not what I said but have at it.
Butler obviously had worse talent than MU and maybe DePaul. But Wojo has been abysmal the 2nd time through the BE as his team doesn't improve as the season goes on. Yet, Butler, with injuries to Thompson and Nze continues to improve and compete by playing good defense. Meanwhile, MU is 1-6 the 2nd time through and counting. The third straight year of dives.
There is no good reason talent-wise why Butler is ahead of MU in the standings. You are smart enough to figure out the rest.
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Of course that is not what I said but have at it.
Butler obviously had worse talent than MU and maybe DePaul. But Wojo has been abysmal the 2nd time through the BE as his team doesn't improve as the season goes on. Yet, Butler, with injuries to Thompson and Nze continues to improve and compete by playing good defense. Meanwhile, MU is 1-6 the 2nd time through and counting. The third straight year of dives.
There is no good reason talent-wise why Butler is ahead of MU in the standings. You are smart enough to figure out the rest.
You know who Wojo killed his second time through? Jordan! And he did so without Lewis (and Lewis' backup).
Obviously, saying Wojo's body of work is better than Jordan's is damning with the faintest praise.
To say I'm not impressed with either would be insulting the word "unimpressed."
And who's fault is it that Butler has little talent?
Oh, and I'd have fired Wojo 5 weeks ago.
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You know who Wojo killed his second time through? Jordan! And he did so without Lewis (and Lewis' backup).
Obviously, saying Wojo's body of work is better than Jordan's is damning with the faintest praise.
To say I'm not impressed with either would be insulting the word "unimpressed."
And who's fault is it that Butler has little talent?
Oh, and I'd have fired Wojo 5 weeks ago.
So what's your point besides being obtuse?
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So what's your point besides being obtuse?
You compared Jordan and Wojo. I simply pointed out that, head-to-head, Wojo has killed Jordan.
If I misread the intent of your post, management regrets the error.
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You compared Jordan and Wojo. I simply pointed out that, head-to-head, Wojo has killed Jordan.
If I misread the intent of your post, management regrets the error.
He hasn’t killed him. He was 3-3 vs Wojo into this year. Marquette has played well against them this year somehow, but it’s not like Wojo has Jordan’s number overwhelmingly.
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He hasn’t killed him. He was 3-3 vs Wojo into this year. Marquette has played well against them this year somehow, but it’s not like Wojo has Jordan’s number overwhelmingly.
Wojo has won 5 of the last 6 matchups. 4 of the wins were by 18, 10, 19 and 16 points. The one close win, MU had a huge lead most of the game before Butler rallied late. The one loss was in OT. I'd call that domination - or darn close to it - over a 3-year stretch.
But yes, in Jordan's first season, playing entirely with Holtmann's players, he went 2-0 against Wojo. That is true.
Again, being better than LaVall Jordan is not really anything to hang one's hat on. But Wojo certainly has dominated Jordan these last 3 years.
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You compared Jordan and Wojo. I simply pointed out that, head-to-head, Wojo has killed Jordan.
If I misread the intent of your post, management regrets the error.
82, I think that MU is a player matchup issue for Butler. Jordon does seem to be a better coach against the rest of the league.
Even though both coaches body of work is mediocre I have a hunch Jordan would do better than Wojo with our talent.
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82, I think that MU is a player matchup issue for Butler. Jordon does seem to be a better coach against the rest of the league.
Even though both coaches body of work is mediocre I have a hunch Jordan would do better than Wojo with our talent.
I understand what you’re saying, and your hunch might be right ... but I’ll stick with the fact that I know: Wojo has dominated the matchup the last 3 years.
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Villanova’s defense is pretty “meh”. Can see them getting bounced on the first weekend.
When I mentioned that Villanova doesn’t look that strong and might be headed for an early NCAA exit, Dodds reminded me that Sunday’s clunker was a result of Butler celebrating Senior Day.
That aside, they have looked pretty mediocre in several other games. As you say, their defense is not great. And, as others have said, their offense is heavily dependent on 3’s. They don’t have much depth, and could be in big trouble against one of those several Big 10 or Big 12 teams with good athletes who can challenge the threes.
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When I mentioned that Villanova doesn’t look that strong and might be headed for an early NCAA exit, Dodds reminded me that Sunday’s clunker was a result of Butler celebrating Senior Day.
LOL, yet another stat that only exists in Dodds' head. Just like 3 point shooting in the Bradley Center.
But neither of those are as good as Murph's "you can 100% prevent sprained ankles" mantra.
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When I mentioned that Villanova doesn’t look that strong and might be headed for an early NCAA exit, Dodds reminded me that Sunday’s clunker was a result of Butler celebrating Senior Day.
That aside, they have looked pretty mediocre in several other games. As you say, their defense is not great. And, as others have said, their offense is heavily dependent on 3’s. They don’t have much depth, and could be in big trouble against one of those several Big 10 or Big 12 teams with good athletes who can challenge the threes.
How did that guy ever become some type of respected authority on Marquette basketball? Seriously
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Nova better hope they aren’t playing in Hinkle the first two rounds of the NCAA Tournament. They’ve been awful there the last few years.
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When I mentioned that Villanova doesn’t look that strong and might be headed for an early NCAA exit, Dodds reminded me that Sunday’s clunker was a result of Butler celebrating Senior Day.
That aside, they have looked pretty mediocre in several other games. As you say, their defense is not great. And, as others have said, their offense is heavily dependent on 3’s. They don’t have much depth, and could be in big trouble against one of those several Big 10 or Big 12 teams with good athletes who can challenge the threes.
And I’m not taking shots at Villanova. They’re still good enough to make a deep run this month but this isn’t a team that’s as good as the ‘16-‘18 teams. It happens as Jay had to refit the roster following a bunch of early departures and missing on Quinerly. I’d much rather have their “problems” at the moment
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LOL, yet another stat that only exists in Dodds' head. Just like 3 point shooting in the Bradley Center.
But neither of those are as good as Murph's "you can 100% prevent sprained ankles" mantra.
Dodds needs to come up with some new excuses such as Villanova had "tired arms" that caused them to miss so many of their shots.
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How did that guy ever become some type of respected authority on Marquette basketball? Seriously
By attending games in the 60's, camps and the university in the 70's. By buying time to do a weekend radio show about nothing but MU basketball in the 80's. Putting out a monthly newsletter mailed out in the early 90's. By being at the forefront of message boards in the late 90's and early 00's. So, by hanging around and always loving MU basketball. And looking for ways to talk about it.
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I have no doubts to his dedication for the program, but the dude has some whacky thoughts.
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By attending games in the 60's, camps and the university in the 70's. By buying time to do a weekend radio show about nothing but MU basketball in the 80's. Putting out a monthly newsletter mailed out in the early 90's. By being at the forefront of message boards in the late 90's and early 00's. So, by hanging around and always loving MU basketball. And looking for ways to talk about it.
Where does being a condescending a**hole to anyone who disagrees with him fit in?
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Where does being a condescending a**hole to anyone who disagrees with him fit in?
If it continues to get us quality posters here, like Muggsy, then I'm all for it.
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This board is full of condescending a$$holes. As he says, his name is on the board. And he runs it the way he sees fit. His board, his rules, just like here.
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This board is full of condescending a$$holes. As he says, his name is on the board. And he runs it the way he sees fit. His board, his rules, just like here.
No one is really disputing this.
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And many here have wacky ideas. I like going there because I like getting my new from more than one source. I like to hear more than one version of a discussion.
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There are some really good posters there. I especially like to read Silver Warriors comments. I skip over Dodds' though. Just my opinion but I find the guy is simply insufferable. Glad Muggsy came here.
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There are some really good posters there. I especially like to read Silver Warriors comments. I skip over Dodds' though. Just my opinion but I find the guy is simply insufferable. Glad Muggsy came here.
Sometimes he is. Not as insufferable as a couple of guys who have had Badger boards over the years. But Dodds is very protective of whomever the current coach is and MU hoops in general.
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This board is full of condescending a$$holes. As he says, his name is on the board. And he runs it the way he sees fit. His board, his rules, just like here.
Seems like a completely reasonable and mature way of handling a position power !
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No different than here. Scoop mods run this board by their guidelines, he runs his board by his.
If you moderated a board, you would do it by your rules.
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No different than here.
It's actually quite a bit different. He is much more heavy handed deleting posts and shutting topics down, especially when they don't generally agree with his line of thinking.
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Seems like a completely reasonable and mature way of handling a position power !
Lol. You must not have lived in America for the last 4 years.
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Lol. You must not have lived in America for the last 4 years.
Ha!
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It's actually quite a bit different. He is much more heavy handed deleting posts and shutting topics down, especially when they don't generally agree with his line of thinking.
To borrow from you, thank you for making my point. The mods here shut down threads consistent with their rules. He shuts down threads consistent with his.
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To borrow from you, thank you for making my point. The mods here shut down threads consistent with their rules. He shuts down threads consistent with his.
Threads here are usually only shut down if the discussion veers into politics or personal attacks. Dodds will shut down a thread if someone suggests Wojo's glass of ice water looks too cloudy.
You're right, though. His board, his rules. But there's a reason his board has far less traffic than this one.
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By attending games in the 60's, camps and the university in the 70's. By buying time to do a weekend radio show about nothing but MU basketball in the 80's. Putting out a monthly newsletter mailed out in the early 90's. By being at the forefront of message boards in the late 90's and early 00's. So, by hanging around and always loving MU basketball. And looking for ways to talk about it.
Everything you outlined above is why Mr. Dodds has access to the Coaches and Team. There is some value in that.
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To borrow from you, thank you for making my point. The mods here shut down threads consistent with their rules. He shuts down threads consistent with his.
Good lord. If your point is that they are the same basic things, then yes. Dodds' board is just like Scoop.
But the point is if you compare HOW he moderates versus how Scoop moderates, they aren't similar at all.
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Though I appreciate tower wanting to get multiple point of views, I have no interest in hanging out on 2 MU hoops boards. So Scoop gives me all the Marquette-in' I need. I have not spent one second on Dodds' board.
As for Scoop ... given the volume of crapola they see, I think our mods do a remarkable job. And I say that as a guy who has received several Scoopcations.
I knew Dodds a little when we were both at MU. He was either in my class or my wife's ('83), can't remember. He was always a Marquette hoops junkie, and he found a way to make $$$ off of it, so the capitalist in me has to give him a big thumbs-up for that. I've seen him at a few games over the years, exchanged pleasantries for a few seconds, and that was that.
As for how he runs his site, I wouldn't know because of what I said in my first paragraph. But as tower said, his site his rules, and nobody has to go to his site if they don't like his rules.
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Speaking of boards, is IWB’s premium board have any good insight any more? I subscribed for a month or so years ago around the Buzz/Shaka/DoneDeal time but it seems that board has lost a bunch of value since Wojo is so tight lipped about everything.
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Good lord. If your point is that they are the same basic things, then yes. Dodds' board is just like Scoop.
But the point is if you compare HOW he moderates versus how Scoop moderates, they aren't similar at all.
They are both moderated per the wishes and attitude(s) of the moderator(s).
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Speaking of boards, is IWB’s premium board have any good insight any more? I subscribed for a month or so years ago around the Buzz/Shaka/DoneDeal time but it seems that board has lost a bunch of value since Wojo is so tight lipped about everything.
I’m a member and enjoy it. It’s not as high volume, but more of a focused discussion. I would say there’s still good information, but not as much as the Buzz/Crean eras.
I think it’s pretty clear though that Buzz and Crean filtered information through various channels to craft their narrative. We could almost set our watches to a Goodman article about Buzz.
I also think there’s not as much drama around MU basketball. It always seemed like something was going on with Buzz or Crean, especially when it came to other jobs. Even off the court, there’s not been much that’s really gone on other than Hauser transfer and a few tweets from Mrs Ellenson.
I think that’s a testament to the program and culture Wojo wants. He runs a really good program off the court. It just hasn’t translated to enough wins on the court.
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I don't have any hard feelings towards Mr.Dodds and enjoy all of the people on his site. Now, I do think he is extraordinarily sensitive when he is challenged and often lashes out at specific posters. I will admit that I can be a little pestiferous and have an aggressive/attacking style when things drive me up the wall. I also tend to reiterate my thoughts like an unstoppable rebel force when I hit a breaking point. It's his right to moderate any way he pleases just as it is my right to share my thoughts here or other places.
Regardless of our differences I have great respect for him and all MU hoops fans. I'm happy to read all opinions and at the end of the day we are on the same side and want what's best for the program.
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I don't have any hard feelings towards Mr.Dodds and enjoy all of the people on his site. Now, I do think he is extraordinarily sensitive when he is challenged and often lashes out at specific posters. I will admit that I can be a little pestiferous and have an aggressive/attacking style when things drive me up the wall. I also tend to reiterate my thoughts like an unstoppable rebel force when I hit a breaking point. It's his right to moderate any way he pleases just as it is my right to share my thoughts here or other places.
Regardless of our differences I have great respect for him and all MU hoops fans. I'm happy to read all opinions and at the end of the day we are on the same side and want what's best for the program.
These tenacious attributes are celebrated on Scoop. You made the right free agency decision.
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They are both moderated per the wishes and attitude(s) of the moderator(s).
This is such a copout of a response. Dodds is a schmuck and he moderates his website like a schmuck. To liken the mods here to Dodds is honestly an insult to rocky and topper and the others here whether you believe that or not.
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I am not comparing them. What I am saying that if you run the site, you can moderate it as you see fit. If memory serves, 14.5 years ago the mods made the conscious decision to not be Dodds.
Dodds moderates his site his way. I fail to see how that is a problem.
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The problem is that the way Dodds runs his board severely limits discussion, especially when it goes against his own opinion. He's free to run his board the way he wants but it frankly sucks way way more because of that. I am very happy that the mods here decided to not be like that chump 14.5 years and aren't raging losers when someone doesn't agree with their opinion. There's a reason only like 10 people post on that board regularly
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It's Dodds board so he can do what he wants. But I've seen him start personally insulting people for disagreeing with him. The guys extremely thin skinned and if you're going to be a moderator you should have a certain ability to remain neutral as you can be for the purpose of discussion.
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It's Dodds board so he can do what he wants. But I've seen him start personally insulting people for disagreeing with him. The guys extremely thin skinned and if you're going to be a moderator you should have a certain ability to remain neutral as you can be for the purpose of discussion.
You are a very smart person (for a Scooper anyway), so I assume you just stopped ever going to Dodds' site after that.
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Lol. You must not have lived in America for the last 4 years.
Or in the last 2 months when 42 executive orders were signed.
I'll withdraw the question your honor.
The jury will disregard that.
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The problem is that the way Dodds runs his board severely limits discussion, especially when it goes against his own opinion. He's free to run his board the way he wants but it frankly sucks way way more because of that. I am very happy that the mods here decided to not be like that chump 14.5 years and aren't raging losers when someone doesn't agree with their opinion. There's a reason only like 10 people post on that board regularly
Which goes back to what I have said repeatedly. You are free to say what you want. Others are free to judge you however they see fit based on what you say. Dodds can moderate his board any way he wants. We all are free to judge that and participate or not, as we see fit.
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You are a very smart person (for a Scooper anyway), so I assume you just stopped ever going to Dodds' site after that.
I've only ever posted once to correct his misrepresenting certain successes or lack there of. Beyond that I read his preseason team interviews that's it.
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Which goes back to what I have said repeatedly. You are free to say what you want. Others are free to judge you however they see fit based on what you say. Dodds can moderate his board any way he wants. We all are free to judge that and participate or not, as we see fit.
Dodds is a moderator and if you think that him limiting what other people are able to discuss about MU basketball is okay, then we can agree to disagree. He consistently mishandles his moderator powers and goes out of his way to insult others. Yes, he has the free will to do what he wants as you keep densely stating, but that doesn't make it right, which is the point I'm trying to make. If you want to defend his behavior, then I really don't care
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I am not comparing them. What I am saying that if you run the site, you can moderate it as you see fit. If memory serves, 14.5 years ago the mods made the conscious decision to not be Dodds.
Dodds moderates his site his way. I fail to see how that is a problem.
Tower
You’ve explained yourself very clearly. Multiple times. And what you’ve explained is 100% true. Of course that doesn’t mean some people won’t want to fight about it. That’s just the way it is....some things will never change.
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Tower
You’ve explained yourself very clearly. Multiple times. And what you’ve explained is 100% true. Of course that doesn’t mean some people won’t want to fight about it. That’s just the way it is....some things will never change.
Do you have an issue with what I'm trying to say? How about saying it to me directly
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Dodds is a moderator and if you think that him limiting what other people are able to discuss about MU basketball is okay, then we can agree to disagree. He consistently mishandles his moderator powers and goes out of his way to insult others. Yes, he has the free will to do what he wants as you keep densely stating, but that doesn't make it right, which is the point I'm trying to make. If you want to defend his behavior, then I really don't care
A moderator can moderate a board any way he wants.
Feel free to start your own.
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A moderator can moderate a board any way he wants.
Feel free to start your own.
That's why we have this beautiful place, my friend
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Tower, I suggest you abandon this and start working on a clever thread title after tonight's thrashing of the Blue Rats.
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Do you have an issue with what I'm trying to say? How about saying it to me directly
Because, as he says, some things will never change.
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Do you have an issue with what I'm trying to say? How about saying it to me directly
OK. All Tower has ever said was that moderators (Dodds, Rocky, every moderator on every board) make and enforce whatever rules they see fit. It’s their job. In that respect they are all alike. He NEVER said that Dodds and Rocky, for example, have the same rules and/or enforcement policies. But you, Fluff, etc., seem to want to attribute that argument to him and fight about it. Which makes zero sense. OK?
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OK. All Tower has ever said was that moderators (Dodds, Rocky, every moderator on every board) make and enforce whatever rules they see fit. It’s their job. In that respect they are all alike. He NEVER said that Dodds and Rocky, for example, have the same rules and/or enforcement policies. But you, Fluff, etc., seem to want to attribute that argument to him and fight about it. Which makes zero sense. OK?
And is blatantly off topic and deserves the Scoop Ban hammer.
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Okay, I accept that and I agree. My bad
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Okay, I accept that and I agree. My bad
Fair enough, mumi. You misunderstood - we all do sometimes. I applaud you for being a stand up guy.
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OK. All Tower has ever said was that moderators (Dodds, Rocky, every moderator on every board) make and enforce whatever rules they see fit. It’s their job. In that respect they are all alike. He NEVER said that Dodds and Rocky, for example, have the same rules and/or enforcement policies. But you, Fluff, etc., seem to want to attribute that argument to him and fight about it. Which makes zero sense. OK?
Tower's argument is like saying "Wojo and Pop are the same thing - they are both basketball coaches."
So yes, while that is undoubtedly true, there are substantial differences on how they coach and how successful they have been. Just like there are substantial differences on how the boards are moderated, which is entirely the point of a discussion board in the first place.
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Tower's argument is like saying "Wojo and Pop are the same thing - they are both basketball coaches."
So yes, while that is undoubtedly true, there are substantial differences on how they coach and how successful they have been. Just like there are substantial differences on how the boards are moderated, which is entirely the point of a discussion board in the first place.
Tower’s “argument”? What argument was that? Oh, there was no argument? Just a simple statement of fact that you decided to turn into an argument? 10-4.
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... there are substantial differences on how the boards are moderated, which is entirely the point of a discussion board in the first place.
We are in agreement
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Tower’s “argument”? What argument was that? Oh, there was no argument? Just a simple statement of fact that you decided to turn into an argument? 10-4.
He entered the discussion on a discussion board and it was discussed. I let it go but you had to do you Chicoesque thing and be a prickish pedant LONG after I was done.
Add value Lenny. Don’t just be a back benching Chico’s. I know it’s a difficult step but you can take it!
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Tower just admit it you're a paid influencer by Dodd's to redeem his public perception within the greater MU basketball forum community.
We see through this charade.
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People get paid? Damn.
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He entered the discussion on a discussion board and it was discussed. I let it go but you had to do you Chicoesque thing and be a prickish pedant LONG after I was done.
Add value Lenny. Don’t just be a back benching Chico’s. I know it’s a difficult step but you can take it!
Nice personal attack. Adding value as always. You calling someone else prickish is priceless. And BTW the other guy who jumped on Tower over nothing apologized. You? LOL.
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Creighton might be in the market for a new coach
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Creighton might be in the market for a new coach
I doubt it. He's handled it about as well as one could. Had he tried to downplay it or said he misspoke (i.e. Belein) you'd be on to something, but I think he'll survive this.
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Creighton might be in the market for a new coach
he wont get fired but it was bizzare statement to say the least
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he wont get fired but it was bizzare statement to say the least
What happened? Ty.
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What happened? Ty.
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/30992256/creighton-bluejays-greg-mcdermott-uses-racially-insensitive-analogy-team
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Gtown up 15 at the half on XU. Figures.
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he wont get fired but it was bizzare statement to say the least
Forget the racial undertones
I honestly don't know how that saying even came to him.
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Coulda bin worse. At leest he didn't read a Dr. Seuss book two da teem, hey?
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https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/30992256/creighton-bluejays-greg-mcdermott-uses-racially-insensitive-analogy-team
Bizarre indeed.
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Mr. Rogers is next.
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Lots of snowflakes in this world, aina?
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Coulda bin worse. At leest he didn't read a Dr. Seuss book two da teem, hey?
Yeah, I know. We can't even read books to our kids that were written by an avowed racist and that are filled with racist imagery. What's next? Not letting them smoke cigs advertised by Joe Camel and eat chips endorsed by the Frito Bandito? You said it best the other day, Doc: America sucks!
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Forget the racial undertones
I honestly don't know how that saying even came to him.
Pretty common saying back in the day. I know I certainly heard my parents use it. Being a naive, milky white boy, I was oblivious to the racial connotations.
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Creighton might be in the market for a new coach
I hope not. He seemed very contrite, said and did all the right things, and as far as any of us knows this has not been a problem for him in the past. I hope he and Creighton can move past this, and the experience will make all of them better.
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Wasn’t the founder of planned parenthood a rabid racist? Priorities.
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Lots of snowflakes in this world, aina?
Yes there are, and lots on this board also.
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Wasn’t the founder of planned parenthood a rabid racist? Priorities.
I don't know. Do you read books to 4-year-olds that were written by the founder of Planned Parenthood?
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You do know. But I need an example of these racist words and pictures in a dr. Seuss book to decide. Have any? Really I’d like to know more.
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Forget the racial undertones
I honestly don't know how that saying even came to him.
From a quick google search, it's picked up popularity in the last few years in conservative circles as a rallying cry to get African-American voters to leave the Democratic Party. It was also used as the title of a African-American art exhibit in Charlotte (though I doubt McDermott knew about that). "Off the reservation" was much more common to hear, including from coaches and my boss.
I am 1/68 Mohican (not the last either!) so maybe I should complain about being told that.
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Good article on The Johnnies prospects
https://nypost.com/2021/03/02/st-johns-in-for-crucial-week-that-could-decide-its-future/
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Good article on The Johnnies prospects
https://nypost.com/2021/03/02/st-johns-in-for-crucial-week-that-could-decide-its-future/
they have to sweep and get at least one win in the BET to make it to the tourney. Otherwise, they're probably bound for Texas.
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You do know. But I need an example of these racist words and pictures in a dr. Seuss book to decide. Have any? Really I’d like to know more.
Google "Dr. Seuss political cartoons." There were some pretty explicitly racist anti-Japanese cartoons he drew during WW2.
As for McDermott, if there's a way to survive an incident like this, it's how McDermott is doing it. The statement from his assistant coaching that says he's never seen any racist energy from McDermott should go a long way too.
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Or in the last 2 months when 42 executive orders were signed.
I'll withdraw the question your honor.
The jury will disregard that.
Overruled.
You can thank republicans and the theory of unitary executive theory.
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WW II pics? Dr. Seuss may have been a racist idk . But his books are the danger. Any examples there?
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WW II pics? Dr. Seuss may have been a racist idk . But his books are the danger. Any examples there?
"I forgot how Google works, please do the work for me"
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I’m not goggling dr Seuss. I asked someone who already knows they are racist to provide an example of what made them believe that.
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I’m not goggling dr Seuss. I asked someone who already knows they are racist to provide an example of what made them believe that.
"I forgot how Google works, please do the work for me"
but for real, its a non-story, but you know... fox pushed it sooooo here we are!
I'd post a picture or two, but they are very clearly racist images.
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Which book is the picture in?
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Pretty sure Captain Kangaroo is next, hey?
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I’m not goggling dr Seuss. I asked someone who already knows they are racist to provide an example of what made them believe that.
You're asking someone to post potentially racist imagery on Scoop and can't find any takers? Weird.
Anyhow, you do know that this is the Seuss company that has decided to stop publishing these six (out of 45) books, right? If Dr. Seuss is being canceled, it's by Dr. Seuss.
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Which book is the picture in?
Again, do the work yourself if you're going to try to refute that the images exist. They very clearly do or there would be nothing to talk about, right? Also, I'm done talking about this since it doesn't even belong here.
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Georgetown did everything possible to throw that one away, but looks like they are about to zip up Xavier.
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Xavier is not a tourney team.
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I think Ewing is a hell of a coach. His teams play well despite being seemingly shorthanded. If he gets the recruiting going Georgetown will be back in a hurry.
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I think Ewing is a hell of a coach. His teams play well despite being seemingly shorthanded. If he gets the recruiting going Georgetown will be back in a hurry.
uhhhhh what?
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No examples presented or specific books/pages cited? Disappointing
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No examples presented or specific books/pages cited? Disappointing
What would be the point? You'd just say that they weren't racist, or that they should be viewed through the lens of the time they were written, or you'd point to something else that should be also be removed as long as we are 'cancelling' Dr. Suess. See, I saved everyone a load of time.
Don't be so predictable.
Back to the BEAST.
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I was actually just looking for an example with an open mind. I’m starting to think people are calling it racist because they were just told so though.
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I was actually just looking for an example with an open mind. I’m starting to think people are calling it racist because they were just told so though.
You do realize your post history is publicly available right? "Open minded" isn't how I think most people would describe you.
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Please don’t try to deflect. I was looking for an example that’s it.
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Please don’t try to deflect. I was looking for an example that’s it.
If you were looking for an example, you could have saved a lot of time by just googling it yourself. But that isn't what you really wanted, was it? ;)
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It is what I wanted though. Somebody to explain why I should/could be upset. Thought it would be easy for those upset by the books.
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What would be the point? You'd just say that they weren't racist, or that they should be viewed through the lens of the time they were written, or you'd point to something else that should be also be removed as long as we are 'cancelling' Dr. Suess. See, I saved everyone a load of time.
Don't be so predictable.
Back to the BEAST.
FWIW, Seuss apologized and was embarrassed after the fact by the WW2 era cartoons. And given the book with Asian imagery was a solid 25 years before Mickey Rooney in all his Caucasian glory played an Asian in Breakfast at Tiffany’s, it’s safe to say the barometer for racial sensitivity was a bit different.
Calling Dr Seuss an “avowed racist” is stupid and untrue. He wrote a book (The Sneetches) that was all an allegory for racial equality and acceptance. The majority of his work post WW2 is very liberal leaning and full of progressive messages and metaphors. He made some poor decisions early that he took responsibility for, but it’s not like he was some ardent racist in the way that someone like Roald Dahl was an unrepentant anti-Semite.
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I was actually just looking for an example with an open mind. I’m starting to think people are calling it racist because they were just told so though.
Fine. I'll do it for you.
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No one is cancelling green eggs and ham. But there's some other books and works by Seuss that are a little more problematic.
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FWIW, Seuss apologized and was embarrassed after the fact by the WW2 era cartoons. And given the book with Asian imagery was a solid 25 years before Mickey Rooney in all his Caucasian glory played an Asian in Breakfast at Tiffany’s, it’s safe to say the barometer for racial sensitivity was a bit different.
Calling Dr Seuss an “avowed racist” is stupid and untrue. He wrote a book (The Sneetches) that was all an allegory for racial equality and acceptance. The majority of his work post WW2 is very liberal leaning and full of progressive messages and metaphors. He made some poor decisions early that he took responsibility for, but it’s not like he was some ardent racist in the way that someone like Roald Dahl was an unrepentant anti-Semite.
I'm very aware, its why I said all of this is a bit of a non-story
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Thank you. Those are pretty comically bad Asian likenesses.
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I'm very aware, its why I said all of this is a bit of a non-story
I’m with you. You weren’t the one who called him an out and out racist. It’s all kind of silly, especially considering the meaning behind Horton Hears a Who
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Seriously, where else on the internet can you go from BE games to Dr. Seuss to in the blink of an eye. incredible really.
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Oh the places scoop will go!
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Lol
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Who do we want to win in these BEast games tonight?
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St. John's looking like garbage without Alexander playing (broken thumb).
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Didn’t Seton Hall realize how important this game was?
Inexcusable loss for Willard!
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Didn’t Seton Hall realize how important this game was?
Inexcusable loss for Willard!
That's a bizarre team. I can't figure them or Xavier out.
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Ed Cooley ALWAYS finishes strong (except the many years he doesn’t).
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Whole season might have just changes for Villanova. Going to need to see how Gillespie recovers.
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Whole season might have just changes for Villanova. Going to need to see how Gillespie recovers.
Missed it. I think Creighton's season could have changed too with the McD comments.
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Ed Cooley ALWAYS finishes strong (except the many years he doesn’t).
St John’s blitzes PC in the second half, outscoring them by 25.
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Not sure this has been mentioned but it looks like Collin Gillespie may have torn his ACL.
Creighton currently getting worked by Nova but I expect them to make it close in the second half.
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That didn't look good for Gillespie.. Do we now want the 8 or 9 seed? Who has the tiebreaker between us and the Dence?
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Wow....Creighton looks abysmal.
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St. John's looking like garbage without Alexander playing (broken thumb).
Not broken.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.newsday.com/amp/sports/college/st-johns/posh-alexander-st-john-s-thumb-injury-1.50164141
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That didn't look good for Gillespie.. Do we now want the 8 or 9 seed? Who has the tiebreaker between us and the Dence?
We want to play Creighton but chances of beating Nova probably go from 1% to 5-10% if CG is out. Poor kid. Hope he's okay.
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We want to play Creighton but chances of beating Nova probably go from 1% to 5-10% if CG is out. Poor kid. Hope he's okay.
You never want to see that. Creighton seems to have woken up but are poor defensively.
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Seriously, where else on the internet can you go from BE games to Dr. Seuss to in the blink of an eye. incredible really.
I think I got whiplash trying to follow the ball.
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Wright says the injury is serious. That blows.
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Wright says the injury is serious. That blows.
Disappointing to hear.
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For the 7th time in the past 8 seasons, Villanova is the Regular Season Big East Champions.
When people ask what do you want in a program.....
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Kind of a weird injury for CG. No good camera angles, looked like there was contact and he had pain, which are things you "normally" don't see with ACLs. Hoping for the best and it's just a bad bone bruise and he's back for the NCAAT.
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Sad for Nova although they may be better with Moore. I am more worried about UCONN. That's a dead-ender bracket.
"Lose to X"
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Sad for Nova although they may be better with Moore. I am more worried about UCONN. That's a dead-ender bracket.
"Lose to X"
No chance are they better with Moore leading the show and no CG.
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Sad for Nova although they may be better with Moore. I am more worried about UCONN. That's a dead-ender bracket.
"Lose to X"
If you're afraid of UCONN why do you want to lose to X to get onto their side?
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If you're afraid of UCONN why do you want to lose to X to get onto their side?
Ooops!
Just beat X, baby!
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Kind of a weird injury for CG. No good camera angles, looked like there was contact and he had pain, which are things you "normally" don't see with ACLs. Hoping for the best and it's just a bad bone bruise and he's back for the NCAAT.
When I tore my ACL, it hurt like an MFer, it was nothing like the temporary "burn" sensation I understand is typical.
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When I tore my ACL, it hurt like an MFer, it was nothing like the temporary "burn" sensation I understand is typical.
Yeah ACL's overall vary big time.
The only thing that is consistent is you can usually tell right when you see the replay.
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That didn't look good for Gillespie.. Do we now want the 8 or 9 seed? Who has the tiebreaker between us and the Dence?
It doesn’t really matter because the 8 and 9 play each other.
I’m not going to go through all 32 possible scenarios, but the most likely outcomes are MU with the 10 seed if they lose to Xavier and the 9 if they win.
Unexpected results like Butler winning at Creighton or Georgetown winning at UConn might shake things up a little, but MU’s most likely first round opponent would be Providence or Georgetown.
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It doesn’t really matter because the 8 and 9 play each other.
I’m not going to go through all 32 possible scenarios, but the most likely outcomes are MU with the 10 seed if they lose to Xavier and the 9 if they win.
Unexpected results like Butler winning at Creighton or Georgetown winning at UConn might shake things up a little, but MU’s most likely first round opponent would be Providence or Georgetown.
Ty. Chances we run the table Blue? I wouldn't expect Gillespie back.
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Feel bad for Gillespie and Nova.
We all remember how it sucked when we lost Dom.
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Feel bad for Gillespie and Nova.
We all remember how it sucked when we lost Dom.
Horrible. That was an F4 team MU82.
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Horrible. That was an F4 team MU82.
Not really.
I mean it wouldnt of been a cinderella shocker. But even with CG, Nova was very, very unlikely to make the FF
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Not really.
Guessing he was talking about the Dominic James team ;) Still debatable F4, but understand the sentiment.
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Guessing he was talking about the Dominic James team ;) Still debatable F4, but understand the sentiment.
Oh jeez yeah I read right over that haha. Think I've tried to block the Dom injury from memory at this point.
That was a stacked year, but we def had a shot :'(
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"Chances we run the table"
LOL
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That was a stacked year, but we def had a shot :'(
We did lose to USF (with DJ), but also beat The Legend (without DJ)
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Guessing he was talking about the Dominic James team ;) Still debatable F4, but understand the sentiment.
Correct. I feel strongly that MU team would have made a deep run
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Ty. Chances we run the table Blue? I wouldn't expect Gillespie back.
MU running the table? Next to no chance.
If they lose to Xavier they won’t be in Nova’s side of the bracket anyway.
I would see MU as slight underdogs in their first round game whoever it’s against, and it just gets tougher from there. I don’t see them having the depth or quality to win four games in four days.
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Correct. I feel strongly that MU team would have made a deep run
Maybe but they had no height and had lost a couple head scratchers (Dayton, USF). Now I'm sure they would've been a higher seed and set up for an easy Sweet 16 but not sure I'd buy that it was a FF team.
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That's a bizarre team. I can't figure them or Xavier out.
I've been watching a bunch of Xavier this year because of the daughter.
The COVID shutdown really screwed them up. They were on a roll in January and just haven't looked or played the same since returning from the shutdown.
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The mentions of Gillespie and Dom ended up leading to a pretty funny comment string here.
We have people talking about Nova's chances of reaching this year's FF ... MU's chances of reaching the 2009 FF ... and the chances of this year's MU team to win the BET ... all in one jumble.
For the record:
Had little chance even with Gillespie ... had pretty little chance even with Dom ... have VERY little chance.
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The thing about the 2008-09 team is that yeah CLEARLY losing Dom hurt. But they had a tough end to the BE season - they ended up losing their last four. Do they beat UConn with Dom? What about @Pitt, @Louisville and Syracuse? They're still losing at least two out of four IMO - at best.
A second weekend team no doubt, but I struggle to see them as legit F4 contenders without things going their way on the other side of the bracket.
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The thing about the 2008-09 team is that yeah CLEARLY losing Dom hurt. But they had a tough end to the BE season - they ended up losing their last four. Do they beat UConn with Dom? What about @Pitt, @Louisville and Syracuse? They're still losing at least two out of four IMO - at best.
A second weekend team no doubt, but I struggle to see them as legit F4 contenders without things going their way on the other side of the bracket.
These two plus Nova were
4 pt game, OT, 1 pt game.
Can't call them locks. But with Dom, its pretty safe to think we would win those games.
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These two plus Nova were
4 pt game, OT, 1 pt game.
Can't call them locks. But with Dom, its pretty safe to think we would win those games.
We should have been second weekend anyway. Playing Dom against Mizzou was a mistake. He wasn’t close to 100% and we were playing 4 on 5 for the 17 minutes he was out there. That one was on Buzz.
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I agree about the 09 MU team making the Final 4. It was heartbreaking that they had to play the postseason without James, but I think their weakness in the front court put a ceiling on how far they could have gone.
I was already bearish about Nova this year, but losing Gillespie would make it real hard for Nova to make the second weekend, much less the Final 4.
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I agree about the 09 MU team making the Final 4. It was heartbreaking that they had to play the postseason without James, but I think their weakness in the front court put a ceiling on how far they could have gone.
I was already bearish about Nova this year, but losing Gillespie would make it real hard for Nova to make the second weekend, much less the Final 4.
Since 2009 Nova's only strategy is lose in the first weekend or make the Final 4 anyways so it's one or the other.
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I don't think the 09 team had the defense to make a final four.
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I don't think the 09 team had the defense to make a final four.
Top 10 offense, 52 in defense. Would have been a bit of an upset to make the Final 4
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I don't think the 09 team had the defense to make a final four.
I agree, especially interior defense. Tall teams generally beat them up.
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I don't think the 09 team had the defense to make a final four.
Would have taken some luck, but they had a gear offensively that few teams in the country had that year.
The thing about the 2008-09 team is that yeah CLEARLY losing Dom hurt. But they had a tough end to the BE season - they ended up losing their last four. Do they beat UConn with Dom? What about @Pitt, @Louisville and Syracuse? They're still losing at least two out of four IMO - at best.
They missed him so much defensively against Price and Flynn that I think they win those two home games. I think they beat UL too.
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Definitely take down Cuse. The others are debatable but that game against cuse was prime for taking just needed that little extra push
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Since 2009 Nova's only strategy is lose in the first weekend or make the Final 4 anyways so it's one or the other.
Clearly Wright is unable to make adjustments to that "strategy".
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Clearly Wright is unable to make adjustments to that "strategy".
Surprised Jay isn’t on the hot seat, tbh
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Definitely take down Cuse. The others are debatable but that game against cuse was prime for taking just needed that little extra push
Nova in the BET beat us at the buzzer and we shot horribly.
Dom you gotta think shifts that.
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Nova in the BET beat us at the buzzer and we shot horribly.
Dom you gotta think shifts that.
He was already worked over by Scottie Reynolds in the second game so I was unsure if he'd change that. Forgot we beat them the first time
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Nova in the BET beat us at the buzzer and we shot horribly.
Dom you gotta think shifts that.
I would love to have taken my chances with that team. FF? Who knows? But it would have been nice to find out.
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These two plus Nova were
4 pt game, OT, 1 pt game.
Can't call them locks. But with Dom, its pretty safe to think we would win those games.
Well, I wasn't including Nova in the first BET game. So we are in agreement.
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Since 2009 Nova's only strategy is lose in the first weekend or make the Final 4 anyways so it's one or the other.
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Classic
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I would love to have taken my chances with that team. FF? Who knows? But it would have been nice to find out.
Touche. I'd take my chances as well. Dominic would have killed quite a few heads of the snake in the tournament. They were small but tough, experienced, and played with a chip on their shoulders. That was a dangerous, dangerous , team that caught one of the worst breaks (no pun intended) in MU hoops history. And do not underestimate the leadership of Dominic James. Tremendous human being and a phenomenal ambassador for our University.
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Torn MCL for Gillespie.
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Torn MCL for Gillespie.
That blows
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Tough news to hear.
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Torn MCL for Gillespie.
Horrible.
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Injuries are part of sports ... but that doesn't mean anybody has to like them. Sucks for Gillespie and Nova.
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UCONN might be better than I thought. If both of their guards play well maybe they could make a run in the tournament? Creighton and Nova are going to have probs imo.
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UConn is my pick to win the BET. They are 9-2 with Bouknight. Might be the league's best bet for a second weekend team, too.
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Torn MCL for Gillespie.
I feel awful for the kid...or any college player who ends his career on the DL.
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UConn is my pick to win the BET. They are 9-2 with Bouknight. Might be the league's best bet for a second weekend team, too.
That’s a good call, brew.
But only if they can get past MU, of course!!
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Nova in the BET beat us at the buzzer and we shot horribly.
Dom you gotta think shifts that.
Was that game the same day as the UConn-Cuse mega-marathon? I remember thinking "well that was the best game of the day" and being so wrong!
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Was that game the same day as the UConn-Cuse mega-marathon? I remember thinking "well that was the best game of the day" and being so wrong!
It was. Jerel getting lost on the back door cut, still remember which patient I was working with when it happened
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It was. Jerel getting lost on the back door cut, still remember which patient I was working with when it happened
The one walking around with a kidney where his heart should be?
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Bouknight is no joke. I'm not sure they have enough inside but UCONN could be a tough out in the tournament.
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Everything rolling off the rim for Nova so far today.
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Everything rolling off the rim for Nova so far today.
Felt like this was an easy W for Providence. Nova still in shock. Tough timing with the injury. Not much time to figure things out on the fly
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Feel bad for Gillespie, but I don’t feel at all bad for Nova. MU has had their fair share of key injuries down the stretch over the years. You have to adjust and adapt.
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Really weird hearing "Arcidiacono" on the broadcast again. Not the same impact, but still :)
I'm not counting nova out of this one though. Some of these shots have to start falling soon. It's not like they're being outplayed much, if at all.
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Felt like this was an easy W for Providence. Nova still in shock. Tough timing with the injury. Not much time to figure things out on the fly
Same thing happened to Xavier the year Sumner got hurt. They had a great team, he went down, they lost like six in a row (including two to Marquette), but then figured it out and won a couple games in the tourney. Don’t think Nova will have enough to time to figure it out, though.
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Everything rolling off the rim for Nova so far today.
Including Moore rolling his ankle. Nova backcourt is done. Nova had a seven man rotation prior to the injuries, now big trouble if Moore seriously hurt.
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Nova has serious defensive issues. Losing Gillespie really hurts but this team is flawed and lives by the 3pt shot.
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Including Moore rolling his ankle. Nova backcourt is done. Nova had a seven man rotation prior to the injuries, now big trouble if Moore seriously hurt.
Agreed, regardless of this game, they're likely to have a rough end of the season. Sorry nova fans!
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It seems to me like Gillespie should seriously consider coming back for a fifth year. Villanova seems like it has a short rotation without a clear successor to CG next year. He could use another season to improve his draft possibilities. Team should be highly ranked next year either way.
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It seems to me like Gillespie should seriously consider coming back for a fifth year. Villanova seems like it has a short rotation without a clear successor to CG next year. He could use another season to improve his draft possibilities. Team should be highly ranked next year either way.
I don’t think Collin is going to show anything as a 5th year senior that he hasn’t shown in his first 4 years.
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This would be a brutal, brutal collapse by Providence.
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This would be a brutal, brutal collapse by Providence.
Didn't they have a huge lead on St. J? Wow just wow.
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Didn't they have a huge lead on St. J? Wow just wow.
Up 11 at the half against STJ
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Providence has 11 pts int he second half
There is under under 2.5 left.
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PC w/16 points in the 2nd half. Wins anyway, by two.
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Was that game the same day as the UConn-Cuse mega-marathon? I remember thinking "well that was the best game of the day" and being so wrong!
That was the one and only time that I was able to go to the Big East tournament because it came while MU was on spring break and two of our daughters were able to get student tickets.
That Nova game was so heartbreaking because MU had fought back from like 16 points down in the second half and had a chance to win in the last minute. With MU up by 1 and Nova out of timeouts, McNeal first made an ill advised drive to the basket when MU could have run the clock down to about 5 seconds before shooting and left Nova with little time. Then he left the back door open for the winning basket.
I remember watching that UConn-Syracuse game on TV in the hotel until well after midnight.
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PC w/16 points in the 2nd half. Wins anyway, by two.
Nova shaky, obviously, without its starting backcourt.
Providence has some good players but is not a very good team.
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That was the one and only time that I was able to go to the Big East tournament because it came while MU was on spring break and two of our daughters were able to get student tickets.
That Nova game was so heartbreaking because MU had fought back from like 16 points down in the second half and had a chance to win in the last minute. With MU up by 1 and Nova out of timeouts, McNeal first made an ill advised drive to the basket when MU could have run the clock down to about 5 seconds before shooting and left Nova with little time. Then he left the back door open for the winning basket.
I remember watching that UConn-Syracuse game on TV in the hotel until well after midnight.
Just like the Stanford game too.
I was at that 6 OT game. I’ll never attend anything like it again. I called into work the next day.
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That was the one and only time that I was able to go to the Big East tournament because it came while MU was on spring break and two of our daughters were able to get student tickets.
That Nova game was so heartbreaking because MU had fought back from like 16 points down in the second half and had a chance to win in the last minute. With MU up by 1 and Nova out of timeouts, McNeal first made an ill advised drive to the basket when MU could have run the clock down to about 5 seconds before shooting and left Nova with little time. Then he left the back door open for the winning basket.
I remember watching that UConn-Syracuse game on TV in the hotel until well after midnight.
Jerel giving up that back door cut is what prompted my very first post on Scoop. Ah, memories!
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Hall has officially collapsed their season and I love it.
Started this game up 18-0. Loss.
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Hall has officially collapsed their season and I love it.
Started this game up 18-0. Loss.
Agreed. Cannot stand them or Willard.
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Mike Anderson rocking the button down!
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Hall has officially collapsed their season and I love it.
Started this game up 18-0. Loss.
18 point leads are the death knell in the BE!
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Ok just for torturous fun. Lets say we didnt lose the DePaul debacle at home.
14-12(9-10) no bad losses.
I believe we would be the 7 seed.
I think a couple BET wins(Creighton would be included) would maybe be enough with the nightmare of the bubble right now.
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18 point leads are the death knell in the BE!
F Hall. I'm pissed we lost to them twice. Honestly feel we're the better team.
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Zegarowski with a very strong statement in support of McDermott after today's game.
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Apparently Gillespie considering a 5th year.
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/31017087/villanova-justin-moore-suffers-sprained-ankle-vs-providence
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Zegarowski with a very strong statement in support of McDermott after today's game.
https://twitter.com/JonNyatawa/status/1368375864308666375?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1368380208559099906%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es3_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fthespun.com%2Fbig-east%2Fcreighton%2Fgreg-mcdermott-suspension-speech-creighton-basketball-marcus-zegarowski
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Apparently Gillespie considering a 5th year.
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/31017087/villanova-justin-moore-suffers-sprained-ankle-vs-providence
Why not? He’s a second round pick, at best (and unlikely), he won’t be able to work out for teams. Get the MBA and rejoin a really strong team for one last run.
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Mike Anderson rocking the button down!
BE COY. Picked ninth, finishes fourth. Leading scorer wasn’t even a ranked recruit.
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Why not? He’s a second round pick, at best (and unlikely), he won’t be able to work out for teams. Get the MBA and rejoin a really strong team for one last run.
Id be surprised if he was drafted. He’s got the same size and skill set as Arcidiacono, but I’ve always felt Arci was a better player overall and he wasn’t drafted. CG may take the same path to the NBA as Arci did, but I’d be surprised to see him even as a late second round pick
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BE COY. Picked ninth, finishes fourth. Leading scorer wasn’t even a ranked recruit.
And then we have Wojo-Dukiet. Seven years wasted and counting.......
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Wish Marquette was playing Georgetown or a home buy game but a game against UNC is better than no game and could be fun to watch. But “if” the Big East Tournament started today MU would be playing GU in the 8/9 game is my belief or understanding.
Was at Marquette’s 1st Big East Tournament game ever with one of my Daughter’s. MU was the 4 Seed and lost to 5 Seed Georgetown 62-56 in 2006. Go Marquette Win in 2021!
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18 point leads are the death knell in the BE!
Bump
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Why are we trapping all over the floor? Just play solid D.
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Two needed hoops for DG. Too bad KM bricked that wide open corner triple.
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Not a brick. Rattled around.
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Xavier's looking to add more games after last night's Big East Tournament loss to Butler
https://amp.cincinnati.com/amp/4645515001?__twitter_impression=true
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Xavier's looking to add more games after last night's Big East Tournament loss to Butler
https://amp.cincinnati.com/amp/4645515001?__twitter_impression=true
Would be a smart move. I'll be interested to see if they find any takers and if they do, how much weight the Selection Committee puts on those games. Probably need to play tomorrow and Saturday to get enough in that moves the dial.
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Would be a smart move. I'll be interested to see if they find any takers and if they do, how much weight the Selection Committee puts on those games. Probably need to play tomorrow and Saturday to get enough in that moves the dial.
They would need to find a team in a similar position of being desperate and on their last breath. No team that’s for sure in will make the same mistake UNC did against us.
That being said, I don’t think X should be allowed to do it. They had plenty of chances to solidify themselves as a tourney team against lesser conference opponents and failed to come through. They just aren’t very good.
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Would be a smart move. I'll be interested to see if they find any takers and if they do, how much weight the Selection Committee puts on those games. Probably need to play tomorrow and Saturday to get enough in that moves the dial.
SLU is trying to do the same. They’re you go.
Drake could be an option too.
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Would be a smart move. I'll be interested to see if they find any takers and if they do, how much weight the Selection Committee puts on those games. Probably need to play tomorrow and Saturday to get enough in that moves the dial.
Agree, that they should try if they can. My issue with it is I think it opens the door for other teams to abuse that in the future. The sense of finality and the fine line between death and survival should be preserved as much as possible to keep this time of the year as special as can be. Kudos to them if they can score a game though. I’m sure we’d all want MU to try that as well.
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Agree, that they should try if they can. My issue with it is I think it opens the door for other teams to abuse that in the future. The sense of finality and the fine line between death and survival should be preserved as much as possible to keep this time of the year as special as can be. Kudos to them if they can score a game though. I’m sure we’d all want MU to try that as well.
In normal years there are limits on how many games you can play. I don't think this will become a normal thing. I guess some teams end up not using a non-conference game that they could theoretically hold in case they need an emergency resume builder.
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There are 3 non football schools ranked, 4 if you count Villanova but they have football, at a time this year. Even when Marquette was consistently ranked in the Old Big East there was one or two other non football schools ranked with them. D1 Football Schools compromise about of a third 33% of D1 Basketball Schools yet about 88% of the schools ranked are D1 Football Schools. It is not easy out there.
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Last time the Big East didn't get better than a 5 seed in the Big Dance? Never? Too lazy to look up.
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Last time the Big East didn't get better than a 5 seed in the Big Dance? Never? Too lazy to look up.
The last tournament. 2019. Marquette's 5 seed was best in the conference.
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The last tournament. 2019. Marquette's 5 seed was best in the conference.
Hmmm... I wonder if there's any correlation there with our only quality streak of conference play under Wojo...
Date Rank Opponent Result Ultimate NCAA result
Tue Jan 1 88 St. John's L, 89-69 Lost to ASU in R1
Sun Jan 6 65 Xavier W, 70-52
Wed Jan 9 55 Creighton W, 106-104
Sat Jan 12 60 Seton Hall W, 70-66 Lost to Wofford in R1
Tue Jan 15 100 Georgetown W, 74-71
Sun Jan 20 79 Providence W, 79-68
Wed Jan 23 118 DePaul W, 79-69
Sat Jan 26 65 Xavier W, 87-82
Wed Jan 30 72 Butler W, 76-58
Tue Feb 5 88 St. John's L, 70-69 Lost to ASU in R1
Sat Feb 9 30 Villanova W, 66-65 Lost to Purdue in R2
Tue Feb 12 118 DePaul W, 92-73
Wed Feb 20 72 Butler W, 79-69
Sat Feb 23 79 Providence W, 76-58
Back in the halcyon days of our 12-2 conference start, we played a total of one (1) top 50 KenPom opponent, and went 1-2 against fringe tournament teams.
(https://media.tenor.com/images/11ff4e8303363c5177ca36b4d4c183ef/tenor.gif)
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All of Butlers seniors returning.
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All of Butlers seniors returning.
But I was told so many times here that basically no seniors would return!!!!
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All of Butlers seniors returning.
Butler was coming on at end of the season. Dear his should give them some great momentum.
https://www.indystar.com/story/sports/college/butler/2021/03/25/butler-basketball-seniors-aaron-thompson-bryce-nze-return-2021-22-jair-bolden/7007009002/
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Cooley has convinced Nate Watson and Noah Horchler to use their COVID years. Convince Duke not to go pro and Providence goes from a likely cellar dweller to a possible top 3 or 4 team in the Big East.
The cynic in me thinks that Cooley is gearing up for one last big run so he can try to take another job next season.
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Cooley has convinced Nate Watson and Noah Horchler to use their COVID years. Convince Duke not to go pro and Providence goes from a likely cellar dweller to a possible top 3 or 4 team in the Big East.
The cynic in me thinks that Cooley is gearing up for one last big run so he can try to take another job next season.
Looks like Cooley got a commitment from a 2022 prospect
https://247sports.com/college/providence/Article/Jayden-Epps-commitment-Providence-basketball-Ed-Cooley-163281394/
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No surprise, but James Bouknight is officially off to the NBA.
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I just saw breaking local news, that James Bouknight will declare for the draft.
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I just saw breaking local news, that James Bouknight will declare for the draft.
Hope he is well received and doesn't come back ;D
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two big losses for St. John's - Williams and Earlington go into the Transfer Portal. Word is there was jealousy towards the NYC guys.
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two big losses for St. John's - Williams and Earlington go into the Transfer Portal. Word is there was jealousy towards the NYC guys.
Yikes. Of the 12 players who played at least 3 minutes for St. John's last season, 2 are set to graduate (could use COVID years) and 7 are in the transfer portal. Only 3 players are set to return to St. John's...and one of them could probably go pro if he wanted to.
They've gone from likely contender for BE crown to likely last place team in a matter of weeks. Lots of time to replace guys with transfers but damn.
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Yikes. Of the 12 players who played at least 3 minutes for St. John's last season, 2 are set to graduate (could use COVID years) and 7 are in the transfer portal. Only 3 players are set to return to St. John's...and one of them could probably go pro if he wanted to.
They've gone from likely contender for BE crown to likely last place team in a matter of weeks. Lots of time to replace guys with transfers but damn.
They got Stef Smith from Vermont, but I thought the players liked Anderson. I thought it was 8 in portal now. Something has to be going on behind the scenes. They have lost a bunch of players in last few years. Like said, if Dunn, who is a senior doesn’t return, that leaves them with Posh, Smith and Champiane..
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They got Stef Smith from Vermont, but I thought the players liked Anderson. I thought it was 8 in portal now. Something has to be going on behind the scenes. They have lost a bunch of players in last few years. Like said, if Dunn, who is a senior doesn’t return, that leaves them with Posh, Smith and Champiane..
"Only" 7 in the portal I believe. Pretty sure that's first among P6 schools. Assuming no COVID years they are currently set to start Posh, Smith, Addae-Wusu, Champaigne, and one of their 2021 recruits. Of course Champaigne could go pro
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Hope he is well received and doesn't come back ;D
I was hoping he would. His going pro along with DePaul's and St. John's ongoing problems = a weaker BE. What's next? Hoping that Gillespie does not come back?Or hope that McDermott gets canned or a BE coach takes another gig? I'd like our conference wins to have value in the eyes of the tourney committee.
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I was hoping he would. His going pro along with DePaul's and St. John's ongoing problems = a weaker BE. What's next? Hoping that Gillespie does not come back?Or hope that McDermott gets canned or a BE coach takes another gig? I'd like our conference wins to have value in the eyes of the tourney committee.
Gonzaga does fine
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Gonzaga does fine
And that relates to Marquette and the BE how?
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They got Stef Smith from Vermont, but I thought the players liked Anderson. I thought it was 8 in portal now. Something has to be going on behind the scenes. They have lost a bunch of players in last few years. Like said, if Dunn, who is a senior doesn’t return, that leaves them with Posh, Smith and Champiane..
They still have Wusu, three incoming, and they signed this dude at semester too: https://nypost.com/2020/12/04/st-johns-gets-committment-from-juco-big-man-esahia-nyiwe/
Basically, all Mullin guys are gone now.
Williams could be the biggest loss. Unfortunately, he suffered a back injury he never truly recovered from. Hopefully, he can. Earlington is good but replaceable.
With not having to sit out this is going to be the norm moving forward. https://twitter.com/i/status/1377354199055310848
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And that relates to Marquette and the BE how?
Marquette doesn’t need the Big East to be great to be great themselves
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Marquette doesn’t need the Big East to be great to be great themselves
Rico
Gonzaga proves this every year. To a large extent so does Villanova. If the Big East as a whole continues to struggle I guess things might be more difficult for MU. But not impossible.
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Rico
Gonzaga proves this every year. To a large extent so does Villanova. If the Big East as a whole continues to struggle I guess things might be more difficult for MU. But not impossible.
I think we’re far enough away from the new vs. old Big East argument where we have to cheer for other programs to do good to make us look good, too. If Marquette takes care of their business, they won’t have to rely on others to help them. Would it be more difficult? I suppose, but the league will probably always have a lead dog to chase and aspire to. That’s what Marquette should strive for
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Rico
Gonzaga proves this every year. To a large extent so does Villanova. If the Big East as a whole continues to struggle I guess things might be more difficult for MU. But not impossible.
They do now because they've built up that the reputation and have increased their players' talent to not lose. Remember for years when it was RPI they'd split with St Mary's and that alone would drop them 3 seed lines.
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I think we’re far enough away from the new vs. old Big East argument where we have to cheer for other programs to do good to make us look good, too. If Marquette takes care of their business, they won’t have to rely on others to help them. Would it be more difficult? I suppose, but the league will probably always have a lead dog to chase and aspire to. That’s what Marquette should strive for
Yep. There’s some truth in the “a strong conference benefits all of its members” but only some. Gonzaga and Villanova are great on their own merits, regardless of affiliation. That has to be Marquette’s mission.
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Yeah, I would definitely enjoy if MU can be great and the BE can be as well every single year.
But we are the clear priority. If we are great I truly don't care what the rest of the league is year in and year out.
If 6 teams being decimated with losses of players gives us a better chance at going toe to toe with NOva for the crown again, bring it on.
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"Only" 7 in the portal I believe. Pretty sure that's first among P6 schools. Assuming no COVID years they are currently set to start Posh, Smith, Addae-Wusu, Champaigne, and one of their 2021 recruits. Of course Champaigne could go pro
Williams not fully out the door yet. This from his dad:
Greg Williams Sr. on his son's decision to transfer: "It's not a question of loyalty. He's been loyal to St. John's and the fans. He's been an exemplary person. He's doing nothing more than trying to see what's his value, what's his worth." #sjubb
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Williams not fully out the door yet. This from his dad:
Greg Williams Sr. on his son's decision to transfer: "It's not a question of loyalty. He's been loyal to St. John's and the fans. He's been an exemplary person. He's doing nothing more than trying to see what's his value, what's his worth." #sjubb
"Would I ever leave this company? Look, I'm all about loyalty. In fact, I feel like part of what I'm being paid for here is my loyalty. But if there were somewhere else that valued loyalty more highly, I'm going wherever they value loyalty the most."
-Dwight Schrute
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"Would I ever leave this company? Look, I'm all about loyalty. In fact, I feel like part of what I'm being paid for here is my loyalty. But if there were somewhere else that valued loyalty more highly, I'm going wherever they value loyalty the most."
-Dwight Schrute
not ashamed to say I haven't watched one episode.
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not ashamed to say I haven't watched one episode.
You're dead to me
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Christian Bishop going into portal is a big blow to Creighton. That system was perfect for his game. Too bad the Big East doesn't allow intra conference transfers.
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Butler was coming on at end of the season. Dear his should give them some great momentum.
https://www.indystar.com/story/sports/college/butler/2021/03/25/butler-basketball-seniors-aaron-thompson-bryce-nze-return-2021-22-jair-bolden/7007009002/
Butler finished out the season 5-5 over last 10
Butler finished out the season 3-5 over last 9
Lost to Marquette, Georgetown and X
Lost to Creighton by 20
Lost to Creighton by 29
Did beat Nova
If that is your idea of coming on at the end, Marquette should have extended Wojo.
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ACC is allowing intra conference transfer. Big East should make a similar move, to give our good league talent, such as Christian Bishop, a chance to stay in conference.
https://www.espn.com/college-sports/story/_/id/31069457/acc-now-allows-players-transfer-conference
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ACC is allowing intra conference transfer. Big East should make a similar move, to give our good league talent, such as Christian Bishop, a chance to stay in conference.
https://www.espn.com/college-sports/story/_/id/31069457/acc-now-allows-players-transfer-conference
Agree completely. Also, isn't there a rule barring recruits who back out on a BE team from signing with another BE team? If so, dump that one too.
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ACC is allowing intra conference transfer. Big East should make a similar move, to give our good league talent, such as Christian Bishop, a chance to stay in conference.
https://www.espn.com/college-sports/story/_/id/31069457/acc-now-allows-players-transfer-conference
Image Scoop next season when Garcia, DJ and JFL are playing for Nova. Multiply the Hauser thread by 3000.
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Image Scoop next season when Garcia, DJ and JFL are playing for Nova. Multiply the Hauser thread by 3000.
Fair point, but Nova could take just so many from their BE brethren and there is no reason that they would all be from Marquette. If they had taken Joey but not Sam, maybe we would have been better off. ;D
I still think its better that BE players stay in the conference but you have a legitimate point.
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Image Scoop next season when Garcia, DJ and JFL are playing for Nova.
Why imagine that? It's not gonna happen.
Besides, would that be worse for a Marquette fan to imagine than them going to Madison, something else that's not gonna happen?
IMHO, it's ridiculous to tell Bishop he can't go to Marquette or Xavier or Nova. Are we giving these kids freedom or not?
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You're dead to me
it started when I was in law school. I didn't get to watch anything during those years.
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If transfers were allowed now, we could be talking to Wahab.
State and federal courts are no longer shy about deciding rights issues regarding athletes, whether pro or college. Congress has shown an interest in weighing in as well. It would be wise for the BE, other conferences and the NCAA to get in front of this trend so that we frame it in a manner that works for us. Remember Condoleeza Rice on the NCAA committee? Exactly what qualified her to chime in on recruiting rules? I'm not saying that reform was or was not needed, but let's keep the decision making away from the courts, politicians, former cabinet officials, etc.
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If transfers were allowed now, we could be talking to Wahab.
State and federal courts are no longer shy about deciding rights issues regarding athletes, whether pro or college. Congress has shown an interest in weighing in as well. It would be wise for the BE, other conferences and the NCAA to get in front of this trend so that we frame it in a manner that works for us. Remember Condoleeza Rice on the NCAA committee? Exactly what qualified her to chime in on recruiting rules? I'm not saying that reform was or was not needed, but let's keep the decision making away from the courts, politicians, former cabinet officials, etc.
The NCAA had plenty of time to do something. And they haven’t.
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Providence's David Duke has declared for the draft.
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Scruggs heading back to Xavier. Their backcourt is going to be loaded.
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Providence's David Duke has declared for the draft.
Projected as a First Rounder so a smart move.
https://www.nbadraft.net/nba-mock-drafts/
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Scruggs heading back to Xavier. Their backcourt is going to be loaded.
Steele must have paid him. Makes no sense since he would get paid somewhere. With Nate Johnson, Top 10 team
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Steele must have paid him. Makes no sense since he would get paid somewhere. With Nate Johnson, Top 10 team
Scruggs staying is a good development for X .
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Providence's David Duke has declared for the draft.
He's hoping to have an exceptional work out and pre-draft performance to rise up to pick #6 so he can be the next grand Wizard.
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Article on The Johnnies Previously Signed Stef Smith also mention Champagnie will test NBA waters
https://nypost.com/2021/03/26/st-johns-fills-huge-need-with-stef-smith-transfer/
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Yep. There’s some truth in the “a strong conference benefits all of its members” but only some. Gonzaga and Villanova are great on their own merits, regardless of affiliation. That has to be Marquette’s mission.
I wonder. If Nova, Gonzaga were independents would they get an at large invite to the tournament? What P5 conference school would schedule them to play? Their part of the club, because they are in a conference.
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One offset to Butler bringing back their Seniors, is that their promising freshman guard Myles Tate , is undergoing ACL surgery. Most likely out all next season.
Butler should be Scooby Johnson back from his ACL. He was a very promising prospect , Mr. Basketball in Michigan his senior year . 6-6 230 from Benton Harbor.
https://www.foxsports.com/college-basketball/myles-tate-2-player
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If transfers were allowed now, we could be talking to Wahab.
State and federal courts are no longer shy about deciding rights issues regarding athletes, whether pro or college. Congress has shown an interest in weighing in as well. It would be wise for the BE, other conferences and the NCAA to get in front of this trend so that we frame it in a manner that works for us. Remember Condoleeza Rice on the NCAA committee? Exactly what qualified her to chime in on recruiting rules? I'm not saying that reform was or was not needed, but let's keep the decision making away from the courts, politicians, former cabinet officials, etc.
Intelligence and objectivity from not having skin in the game.
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If an alum offered a COVID senior a job that paid said player more than he would make in Europe would that be against NCAA rules?
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If an alum offered a COVID senior a job that paid said player more than he would make in Europe would that be against NCAA rules?
No.
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TWEET BET MGM@BET MGM
1 Villanova +1600
2 UCONN + 3000
3 Creighton + 3500
4 Xavier + 4000
5 Seton Hall + 5000
6 Providence + 6600
7 Marquette + 8000
8 Saint John’s + 8000
9 Butler + 10,000
10 Georgetown Not Listed
11 DePaul Not Listed
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A lot to be decided yet on rosters etc.
But I think we finish higher than 7th.
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Fun stst: In the past 16 NCAA Tourneys, Villanova has won the Title twice, and 6 times has lost to the eventual NCAA Champion.
2005 UNC
2006 Florida
2008 Kansas
2009 UNC
2014 UConn
2016 VU National Champions
2018 VU National Champions
2020 No Tourney
2021 Baylor
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Kansas offers Bishop
https://www.kansascity.com/sports/college/big-12/university-of-kansas/article250422106.html
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A lot to be decided yet on rosters etc.
But I think we finish higher than 7th.
You must think the Big East is going to be really bad next year.
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If an alum offered a COVID senior a job that paid said player more than he would make in Europe would that be against NCAA rules?
To keep them in school?
Yes, it would if it was above the going rate in the market for a candidate of similar qualifications.
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Fun stst: In the past 16 NCAA Tourneys, Villanova has won the Title twice, and 6 times has lost to the eventual NCAA Champion.
2005 UNC
2006 Florida
2008 Kansas
2009 UNC
2014 UConn
2016 VU National Champions
2018 VU National Champions
2020 No Tourney
2021 Baylor
Great stat. Time to start picking Nova's region as the champ in my brackets!
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Gillespie and Samuels both returning for Villanova next season.
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Time to start picking Nova in your brackets.
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Gillespie and Samuels both returning for Villanova next season.
Good. I'll enjoy watching Marquette beat 'em.
Hafta admit that way more seniors are sticking around for another year than I thought. I guess if I had slim or no NBA prospects, and I liked school enough, and I liked my teammates and coach, and I wanted a degree (or an advanced degree) that was paid for, etc ... why the heck not?
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Zegarowski leaves Creighton for NBA (he hopes).
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I would like to know Scoopers' thoughts on how our BE brethren are shaping up for next season. While the outlooks for Creighton and Villanova are coming into focus, what do you think of Xavier's incoming transfers? Outlooks for Providence Butler, Seton Hall, Gtown, St. John's? The predictions for UCONN seem a little too rosy to me with the loss of Boukknight. DePaul has only 3 returning players and a new, first time coach. With Wojo gone, who can they beat? Anybody?
I think its a too early to guess at next years standings, especially in regard to Marquette until our roster is complete, until the teams are firmed up but there may be enough to guess which teams will gain and which will lose ground.
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I would like to know Scoopers' thoughts on how our BE brethren are shaping up for next season. While the outlooks for Creighton and Villanova are coming into focus, what do you think of Xavier's incoming transfers? Outlooks for Providence Butler, Seton Hall, Gtown, St. John's? The predictions for UCONN seem a little too rosy to me with the loss of Boukknight. DePaul has only 3 returning players and a new, first time coach. With Wojo gone, who can they beat? Anybody?
I think its a too early to guess at next years standings, especially in regard to Marquette until our roster is complete, until the teams are firmed up but there may be enough to guess which teams will gain and which will lose ground.
I think you said it best, it’s too early to predict. We can probably have a better idea once the NBA deadline passes. Villanova has had a good off-season thus far out of the whole league. Creighton has had a bad off-season thus far. St. John’s is in a state of flux but looks worse.
Let’s see how the rest plays out
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Seems St. John's, Creighton and DePaul (it's all relative) have taken big hits, while X and Nova have had the most positive developments. MU may join that category but still uncertain.
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You must think the Big East is going to be really bad next year.
How is it going to be good???
Georgetown lost but has good recruits coming in......Very young.....We know that issue.....
Providence is trying to reload thru the portal but still lack any real shooting.....
Seton Hall has lost a lot but are trying to reload through the portal.....Who knows.....
St. Johns.....Creighton......DePaul are going to be the bottom of the league.....
Xavier very average......
Butler better......but how much.......
We should/could be anywhere from 2 to 5 if Garcia comes back.......Not because we are that great......Because next year is definitely a down year......
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New Haven Register ran this over the weekend on UConn outlook (so far) for 2021-22 season.
UConn, still awaiting word on Tyler Polley,
mapping out potential transfers, recruits for next year
By David Borges April 10, 2021 Updated: April 10, 2021 8:31 a.m.
https://www.ctinsider.com/uconn/nhregister/article/UConn-still-awaiting-word-on-Tyler-Polley-16090440.php?_ga=2.30016956.2069410398.1618330489-812962984.1594303534
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MU's roster is firming up. Garcia is a wild card, and still one scholarship open. MU is going to be very young and playing in a new system. The ceiling is high, but patience is still required.
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MU's roster is firming up. Garcia is a wild card, and still one scholarship open. MU is going to be very young and playing in a new system. The ceiling is high, but patience is still required.
Asking for patience here? :o
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How is it going to be good???
Georgetown lost but has good recruits coming in......Very young.....We know that issue.....
Providence is trying to reload thru the portal but still lack any real shooting.....
Seton Hall has lost a lot but are trying to reload through the portal.....Who knows.....
St. Johns.....Creighton......DePaul are going to be the bottom of the league.....
Xavier very average......
Butler better......but how much.......
We should/could be anywhere from 2 to 5 if Garcia comes back.......Not because we are that great......Because next year is definitely a down year......
Yeah, I think so too. With 20+ games in the BE/BET, a weakened conference (overall, not everyone) dilutes whatever success we have. Scoopers have pointed out how teams like Gonzaga (and Houston) have done well despite their conferences but a strong conference is, I think, a much easier path if your team does well.
Let's revisit this soon after things shake out. I suggest 4 tiers: A) 1-3, B) 4-6, C) 7-9 and D) 10-11 when its time for predictions.
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another transfer headed to St. John's. 6’11” 250 pound Fordham transfer Joel Soriano. 10.4 PPG, 9.2 RPG for Fordham last season. Huge pickup for St. John’s in an area where they really lacked depth.
They've also added Noah Gurley, a 6’8 junior forward from Furman, Stef Smith, 6'2 guard from Vermont, and Aaron Wheeler, 6'9 forward from Purdue.
Anderson looking to add two more transfer guards. There are also rumblings Greg Williams will come back.
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They've also added Noah Gurley, a 6’8 junior forward from Furman
Someone might want to tell Noah that, because he thinks he's going to Tuscaloosa
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Unless something outrageous happens, DePaul is gonna put the exclamation point on "DePaul Sucks!" next season. So that's 11th place.
And Nova will be favored to win the Big East, as they should be.
The rest? Way too early to figure out, at least for me. Dominoes still falling all over the place. I mean, 50 hours ago, Marquette had about a half-dozen fewer players.
I'm a big-time optimist, so I'm hoping our new guys can quickly form a cohesive, effective team and we can have a Shaka-and-Awe (thanks tower!) season!!
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Someone might want to tell Noah that, because he thinks he's going to Tuscaloosa
looks like bad info from a STJ article, I guess.
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It amazing how a few short months ago, Creighton was locking down the spot of #2 program in The Big East behind Villanova and MU was among those fighting to stay off the bottom.
Now, Creighton has a huge unforced errors and is going to be the one fighting off the bottom. MU with Shaka and new roster is on the rise.
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I noticed that UConn has a '22 verbal from Corey Floyd, Jr.
Does anyone know if Corey Sr. is the same guy that was Bob Dukiet's top recruit that never made it to MU?
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Creighton’s prized recruit who earlier decommitted confirmed it was because of what Coach McD said. Got a feeling the fallout from this will always carry with him. Creighton brass will ultimately have to make a tough decision here (or not).
https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2021/04/15/greg-mcdermott-tyty-washington-plantation/
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Creighton’s prized recruit who earlier decommitted confirmed it was because of what Coach McD said. Got a feeling the fallout from this will always carry with him. Creighton brass will ultimately have to make a tough decision here (or not).
https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2021/04/15/greg-mcdermott-tyty-washington-plantation/
Mason Miller , son of Mike Miller, has not signed his NLI with Creighton........
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Time to pull the plug on Mac. No coming back from it.
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Time to pull the plug on Mac. No coming back from it.
I have no idea what they are waiting for. This should've been done within a week of them exiting the tournament, but as players and coaching staff leave, it only becomes more evident.
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I have no idea what they are waiting for. This should've been done within a week of them exiting the tournament, but as players and coaching staff leave, it only becomes more evident.
prolly just stunned. macs been there 4ever and finally has the program in the best posiotjon i can recall only 4 these bizzare comments he uttered out of no where to occur. its not an easy call. they finally make the 2nd weekend and its just weird. maybe theyd hope itd blow over. maybe still do. pressures building. imangine ur whole carrer over after that.
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I have no idea what they are waiting for. This should've been done within a week of them exiting the tournament, but as players and coaching staff leave, it only becomes more evident.
Pretty mind-boggling that they have not done anything yet. The wheels are coming off and they are flying off an overpass…
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Not sure if this has been posted yet but ESPN News Services said that Creighton confirmed Thursday night Mitch Ballock had signed with an agent and will pursue pro opportunities.
Ballock is the fifth starter who will not take advantage of another season of eligibility granted by the NCAA because of the pandemic.
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Creighton’s prized recruit who earlier decommitted confirmed it was because of what Coach McD said. Got a feeling the fallout from this will always carry with him. Creighton brass will ultimately have to make a tough decision here (or not).
https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2021/04/15/greg-mcdermott-tyty-washington-plantation/
probably a convenient excuse when Cal and others reached out with offers he can't refuse.
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probably a convenient excuse when Cal and others reached out with offers he can't refuse.
Maybe but McDermott is a dead man walking.
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Busy Friday afternoon on the transfer market for the Big East.
Theo to Duke
Greg Williams Jr to UL-Lafayette (some SJU fans thought he would come back)
Former #1 Juco and Kansas benchwarmer Tyon Grant-Foster to DePaul
Christian Bishop to Texas
Jyare Davis (Providence redshirt) to the portal
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Busy Friday afternoon on the transfer market for the Big East.
Theo to Duke
Greg Williams Jr to UL-Lafayette (some SJU fans thought he would come back)
Former #1 Juco and Kansas benchwarmer Tyon Grant-Foster to DePaul
Christian Bishop to Texas
Jyare Davis (Providence redshirt) to the portal
I was a big fan of Christian Bishop from day one and wish him well. However, I think the Creighton incident was very unfortunate for him. In that McDermott's offensive structure was ideally suited for Bishops tightly focused skill set ,which is why he thrived in it . Maybe Beard can use him in a similar way, but the chemistry building etc to facilitate that will take time.
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probably a convenient excuse when Cal and others reached out with offers he can't refuse.
He went from a sub 120 recruit to a top 10 guy (when it updates next, if they do it accuratly) with a G league contract on the table or an offer to UK. McDermott's comments are a long term death sentence, but after the administration stupidly decided to keep him in late February they kinda have to ride it out for one or 2 years. Granted, Creighton will have Mike Miller's son and the guard from Georgia (the country) next, two of their better recruits ever.
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Yesterday
Guard Charlie Moore transferring from DePaul Blue Demons to Miami Hurricanes, his fourth school
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Yesterday
Guard Charlie Moore transferring from DePaul Blue Demons to Miami Hurricanes, his fourth school
Cal -> Kansas -> DePaul -> Miami, the reverse manifest destiny