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The Sultan

Quote from: rocket surgeon on October 28, 2020, 11:11:15 AM
  but they continued to report russiarussiarussia without any substantiation for over 3 years. 


There is plenty of substantiation that Donald Trump willingly solicited assistance from a foreign country to interfere in the 2016 election.  There were multiple witnesses to attest to the discussions that took place.  News organizations looked into them, and found them credible.

In this case, there is one person backing a claim.  And that person has no credible evidence to back up his claim.

This is exactly what journalism is.  Reporting credible news stories.  Not reporting the ones that rocket the dentist wants reported.
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

TSmith34, Inc.

Quote from: 4everwarriors on October 28, 2020, 10:42:11 AM
Since it is evident he isn't physically or mentally capable
The fact that you can watch him biking, jogging up to stages, and running up stairs, then delivering stump speeches and debate performances and truly believe this (if you do)...well, makes me wonder who the mentally capable one is.
If you think for one second that I am comparing the USA to China you have bumped your hard.

The Sultan

Quote from: rocket surgeon on October 28, 2020, 11:11:15 AM
just saying, if we allow the media to censor their reporting, we've all lost our checks and balances.   


What?  Freedom of the press is all about "the media censoring their reporting."  Do you understand the Constitution?

WTF do you think Fox News has been doing the last 20 years???

The media is allowed to report on whatever it wants.  It's up to you as a consumer to determine what sources to follow to see if they are credible or not.
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

MU82

#253
NM.

Not worth it.
"It's not how white men fight." - Tucker Carlson

"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." - George Washington

"In a time of deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell

Mr. Nielsen

Quote from: TSmith34 on October 28, 2020, 11:25:07 AM
And you still can't understand why.
Protecting the Big GUY.  ;)
If we are all thinking alike, we're not thinking at all. It's OK to disagree. Just don't be disagreeable.
-Bill Walton

TSmith34, Inc.

Quote from: rocket surgeon on October 28, 2020, 11:11:15 AM
  but they continued to report russiarussiarussia without any substantiation for over 3 years.
False. But undoubtedly that's what you heard listening exclusively to Fox.
If you think for one second that I am comparing the USA to China you have bumped your hard.

jesmu84

Rocket and 4ever don't engage in discussion or dialogue.

Their posts are almost 100% trolling.

It's completely disingenuous.

Stop responding.

MU Fan in Connecticut

Quote from: GooooMarquette on October 27, 2020, 06:46:34 PM

That was all before the Republicans played "let the people decide" in 2016, then ignored the people in 2020. Now that the Democrats have been stung, they might be more bold.

In hindsight, the Republicans may end up wishing they had confirmed Garland in 2016. With the two vacancies they have filled since then, that would still give them a 5-4 advantage, and make it less likely that the Democrats would expand the Court. Instead, if the Democrats decide to increase the number of seats now, the Republicans could quickly find themselves on the short end once again.

This.

MU Fan in Connecticut

Quote from: Pakuni on October 27, 2020, 02:19:39 PM
The decision actually is fine.
Kavanaugh's concurrence is trash. Gorsuch, regardless of his leanings, has so far proven to be a thoughtful, competent justice. Kavanaugh has proven to be a child allowed to sit at the grown ups table.

I actually agree with this statement also.

shoothoops

Voter Suppression in:

Michigan, Nevada, North Carolina, Texas, Wisconsin.

https://twitter.com/AaronRHanlon/status/1321460351167352832?s=19

The Sultan

Quote from: shoothoops on October 28, 2020, 12:54:03 PM
Voter Suppression in:

Michigan, Nevada, North Carolina, Texas, Wisconsin.

https://twitter.com/AaronRHanlon/status/1321460351167352832?s=19


How is being allowed to carry guns to the polls an example of voter suppression?  How is the Wisconsin example?

There are legit examples of voter suppression.  Neither of these are examples.
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

MU Fan in Connecticut

Quote from: dgies9156 on October 27, 2020, 04:41:52 PM
We're not a representative democracy. We're a republic.

In a true Democracy, majority always rules. The majority tramples the rights of the minority because, well, they're the majority.

The electoral college is designed to give everyone a voice. Pure and simple. It means someone can't rack up a 60 percent plurality in California and trample the rights of Nebraskans, for example.

We have a court system to ensure the tyranny of the majority does not trample the inalienable rights of the minority. Just think of where we would be today without the courts and the federal government forcing Orval Faubus to uphold the law in Arkansas in the late 1950s. Or, if the President of the United States had not intervened in Alabama to ensure African Americans had the right to attend the University of Alabama.

That's what makes America great!!!!!

I don't know what the answer is, but the current problem with the Electoral College that has only grown to become a problem the last 20-25 years is the size disparity between large and small states.  There was always a disparity, but it was never this large a population size chasm so it wasn't an issue.

Since it seems states like Arizona, Texas, Georgia, North Carolina & South Carolina are trending "blue" albeit a little bit at a time that the issue may eventually correct itself.   

Billy Hoyle

Quote from: 4everwarriors on October 28, 2020, 10:42:11 AM
Biden will never fulfill his term. Since it is evident he isn't physically or mentally capable, he's merely an electable conduit for the Squad and other radicals. He'll take their deal and buyout, Harris becomes da Prez and the U.S. and all it fought for and stands for, is flushed forever more, hey?

you pay way too much attention to right wing news if you think "The Squad" has any real influence in the Democratic Party. They were all Bernie acolytes, how did Bernie lose if they run things?

The only thing AOC + 3 will accomplish is trying to make fetch happen.
"Kevin thinks 'mother' is half a word." - Mike Deane

Billy Hoyle

Quote from: 4everwarriors on October 28, 2020, 06:22:17 AM
You now have a Big Guy who's a traitor and sold out the U.S.A. for personal gain. Bobulinski is the 2020 version of Monica's blue dress, aina?

we sure do:

NEW: Previously un-released documents show the government has paid $2.5 million to
@realdonaldtrump's businesses. Far more than we knew.

Trump Org charged $7,700 for a dinner, $6,000 for floral arrangements...and $3 for POTUS's own glass of water.
"Kevin thinks 'mother' is half a word." - Mike Deane

4everwarriors

Sanders was never electable. As I said, Biden merely the vessel to move the process forward and then he'll exit stage left, hey?
"Give 'Em Hell, Al"

Galway Eagle

Quote from: 4everwarriors on October 28, 2020, 01:11:05 PM
Sanders was never electable. As I said, Biden merely the vessel to move the process forward and then he'll exit stage left, hey?

Hah if his goal is to move centered Republicans more left and move the whole Democratic Party more left then he'll be exiting stage right
Retire Terry Rand's jersey!

shoothoops

Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on October 28, 2020, 12:56:57 PM

How is being allowed to carry guns to the polls an example of voter suppression?  How is the Wisconsin example?

There are legit examples of voter suppression.  Neither of these are examples.

Anything that makes it more difficult to vote/to have your vote counted, is voter suppression.

Mail is not being delivered on time. Having something post marked no later than November 3rd needs to be counted. Some states don't even begin counting until November 3rd anyway.

Unconcealed weapons at voting locations have been used as a form of voter intimidation as well as voter suppression. Why does one bring an unconcealed weapon to a voting location?

Isn't goal to have as many people as possible vote, and, to have every vote counted?

Here's an additional year long investigation into Wisconsin voter suppression from PBS:

https://twitter.com/jelani9/status/1319629100563267584?s=19




Pakuni

If you're looking for an all-too-easy metaphor for the Trump administration:

Hundreds of President Donald Trump's supporters were left in the freezing cold for hours after a rally at an airfield in Omaha, Nebraska, on Tuesday night, with some walking around 3 miles to waiting buses and others being taken away in ambulances.
Seven people were taken to area hospitals, suffering from a variety of conditions, and there were a total of 30 "contacted" for medical reasons, the Omaha Police Department said in a statement.


https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/hundreds-trump-supporters-stuck-freezing-cold-omaha-airfield-after-rally-n1245065

Jockey

Quote from: 4everwarriors on October 28, 2020, 10:42:11 AM
Biden will never fulfill his term. Since it is evident he isn't physically or mentally capable, he's merely an electable conduit for the Squad and other radicals. He'll take their deal and buyout, Harris becomes da Prez and the U.S. and all it fought for and stands for, is flushed forever more, hey?

Stupid me! I always thought rocket was the dumb one.  ;D

TSmith34, Inc.

Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on October 28, 2020, 11:27:21 AM

There is plenty of substantiation that Donald Trump willingly solicited assistance from a foreign country to interfere in the 2016 election. 
Hell, he asked for assistance live on TV during a debate with Clinton.
His campaign manager passed voter information to a Russian intelligence officer.
His son-in-law coordinated with Cambridge Analytica which passed the data on to another Russian intelligence officer.
In the middle of his term he said it would be perfectly fine to accept election aid from China and Russia.
He asked Ukraine to provide election aid to him this time around.

But I guess they never mentioned those things on Fox, they were too busy running stories NO ONE ELSE WOULD according to dental surgeon.
If you think for one second that I am comparing the USA to China you have bumped your hard.

The Sultan

#270
Quote from: shoothoops on October 28, 2020, 01:23:27 PM
Anything that makes it more difficult to vote/to have your vote counted, is voter suppression.



That's a really broad definition.  So if I propose that early voting should start on July 4, but the courts for a variety of reasons don't agree, that's "voter suppression?"

There are legitimate reasons why certain regulations are in place.  For instance, Wisconsin has always required ballots be returned by election day.  In living here most of my life, this regulation has never presented a problem before.  But Wisconsin also allows people to request absentee ballots pretty early, and has a lengthy in-person early voting rule. 

People really can't complain that Wisconsin is making it "more difficult to vote" or "not have their vote counted" because the Court won't give them an extra few days to receive ballots.  People have had a reasonable time to vote and make accommodations to do so.


By the way....  let's see what happens in cases such as Pennsylvania where state law allows ballots to come in after election day.  In Wisconsin, the Court basically said "its up to the state and their regulations are fair."  If the court proactively changes Pennsylvania law, THAT is an example of voter supression.
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

Jockey

Quote from: shoothoops on October 28, 2020, 01:23:27 PM
Anything that makes it more difficult to vote/to have your vote counted, is voter suppression.

Mail is not being delivered on time. Having something post marked no later than November 3rd needs to be counted. Some states don't even begin counting until November 3rd anyway.

Unconcealed weapons at voting locations have been used as a form of voter intimidation as well as voter suppression. Why does one bring an unconcealed weapon to a voting location?

Isn't goal to have as many people as possible vote, and, to have every vote counted?

Here's an additional year long investigation into Wisconsin voter suppression from PBS:

https://twitter.com/jelani9/status/1319629100563267584?s=19

You are 100% correct.

TSmith34, Inc.

Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on October 28, 2020, 01:52:03 PM
People really can't complain that Wisconsin is making it "more difficult to vote" or "not have their vote counted" because the Court won't give them an extra few days to receive ballots.  People have had a reasonable time to vote and make accommodations to do so.
Mostly I agree with you, but this is the whole reason DeJoy was put into place to sabotage the post office. And it is working; see all the stories about how much on-time delivery has dropped.
If you think for one second that I am comparing the USA to China you have bumped your hard.

The Sultan

Quote from: Jockey on October 28, 2020, 01:52:44 PM
You are 100% correct.


Not really.   Sure the goal is "to have as many people as possible vote and to have every vote counted," but there are REASONBLE regulations around every election.  I think Wisconsin's regulations are reasonable.  Showing up to drop an absentee ballot off in person prior to election day, when you have had WEEKS to return it, is perfectly reasonable.

"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

The Sultan

Quote from: TSmith34 on October 28, 2020, 01:55:35 PM
Mostly I agree with you, but this is the whole reason DeJoy was put into place to sabotage the post office. And it is working; see all the stories about how much on-time delivery has dropped.


I requested my ballot TWO MONTHS before the election.  I received it on September 18.  It was received by the clerk on September 30. 

People have to have some responsibility to get their vote in on time.
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

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