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Quote from: Hards_Alumni on June 23, 2020, 02:06:41 PM
All lives don't matter until Black lives matter.

Get it?

If you can't say Black lives matter, then you're saying all lives don't matter.

This isn't hard.

Anybody who still doesn't understand doesn't care to understand.


joparks

Quote from: Hards_Alumni on June 23, 2020, 02:06:41 PM
All lives don't matter until Black lives matter.

Get it?

If you can't say Black lives matter, then you're saying all lives don't matter.

This isn't hard.

You are right, it isn't hard but it doesn't make any sense.

If you already believe black, white, brown, yellow, etc... lives matter, saying all lives matter includes each of those groups to the same extent.  All, meaning everyone, no one group over the other.  It's basic English.  All lives have mattered for a while.  Black, White, Brown, Yellow, etc...  Saying all means that I'm not favoring any group over the other.  In essence Equality which is the whole marching point here.  This is why it isn't hard to say All and why it doesn't make much sense to only single out black or any other color if you are pushing equality.

joparks


The Sultan

Quote from: joparks on June 23, 2020, 02:29:04 PM
You are right, it isn't hard but it doesn't make any sense.

If you already believe black, white, brown, yellow, etc... lives matter, saying all lives matter includes each of those groups to the same extent.  All, meaning everyone, no one group over the other.  It's basic English.  All lives have mattered for a while.  Black, White, Brown, Yellow, etc...  Saying all means that I'm not favoring any group over the other.  In essence Equality which is the whole marching point here.  This is why it isn't hard to say All and why it doesn't make much sense to only single out black or any other color if you are pushing equality.


No see the bolded is wrong in reality.  That's the whole point.  We have not come to full grips with understanding how systemic racism impacts our society in various ways.

Saying "Black Lives Matter" hardly indicates that no one else's lives don't.  It's a symbolic statement that drawns attention to, recognizes and attempts to correct the racism in our society.
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

Pakuni

Jesus: Blessed are the poor...

Half of Scoop: No, Jesus. Blessed are people of all income levels. Why are you trying to divide us?

Galway Eagle

Quote from: Pakuni on June 23, 2020, 02:41:42 PM
Jesus: Blessed are the poor...

Half of Scoop: No, Jesus. Blessed are people of all income levels. Why are you trying to divide us?

This actually got me laughing and is so true
Retire Terry Rand's jersey!

Frenns Liquor Depot

Quote from: Pakuni on June 23, 2020, 02:41:42 PM
Jesus: Blessed are the poor...

Half of Scoop: No, Jesus. Blessed are people of all income levels. Why are you trying to divide us?

You win scoop for the day



wadesworld

Quote from: Pakuni on June 23, 2020, 02:41:42 PM
Jesus: Blessed are the poor...

Half of Scoop: No, Jesus. Blessed are people of all income levels. Why are you trying to divide us?

Outstanding.

I honestly cannot comprehend how people do not understand this.  It's willingly sticking your head in the sand because you're on the beneficial end of the inequalities that are very, very obvious in this country.

kryza

Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on June 23, 2020, 02:34:44 PM
Saying "Black Lives Matter" hardly indicates that no one else's lives don't.  It's a symbolic statement that drawns attention to, recognizes and attempts to correct the racism in our society.

It does though. I believe police brutality is a huge issue in America and I've been told countless times in the last month that I cannot talk about the 75% of non-black people that are gunned down unarmed each year by our police. I weep for everyone that dies needlessly, not just for the ones with a certain amount of melanin in their skins. I refuse to be racial prejudiced in my actions or charity, you all are free to do that though. I love Marquette and have been a season ticket owner and donated yearly since graduation almost 20 years ago. I never thought I would ever give up my season tickets, but this will do it for me. I will not be racially prejudiced and refuse to support anyone that is...even one of my most favorite things in the world which is Marquette Basketball.


MU82

The latter part of this discussion is very entertaining.
"It's not how white men fight." - Tucker Carlson

"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." - George Washington

"In a time of deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell

Galway Eagle

Quote from: kryza on June 23, 2020, 02:54:23 PM
It does though. I believe police brutality is a huge issue in America and I've been told countless times in the last month that I cannot talk about the 75% of non-black people that are gunned down unarmed each year by our police. I weep for everyone that dies needlessly, not just for the ones with a certain amount of melanin in their skins. I refuse to be racial prejudiced in my actions or charity, you all are free to do that though. I love Marquette and have been a season ticket owner and donated yearly since graduation almost 20 years ago. I never thought I would ever give up my season tickets, but this will do it for me. I will not be racially prejudiced and refuse to support anyone that is...even one of my most favorite things in the world which is Marquette Basketball.

You're focusing wayyy too small on deaths. Add shootings, arrests, and stops. Hell a neighbor of mine who's married to a white woman wont go to the in-laws up in Barrington because he was violently arrested while on a walk one day. They claimed there was a violent criminal who fit his description... in Barrington. Tell me when you go for a walk around a suburb do the police come and violently arrest you?
Retire Terry Rand's jersey!

The Sultan

Quote from: kryza on June 23, 2020, 02:54:23 PM
It does though. I believe police brutality is a huge issue in America and I've been told countless times in the last month that I cannot talk about the 75% of non-black people that are gunned down unarmed each year by our police. I weep for everyone that dies needlessly, not just for the ones with a certain amount of melanin in their skins. I refuse to be racial prejudiced in my actions or charity, you all are free to do that though. I love Marquette and have been a season ticket owner and donated yearly since graduation almost 20 years ago. I never thought I would ever give up my season tickets, but this will do it for me. I will not be racially prejudiced and refuse to support anyone that is...even one of my most favorite things in the world which is Marquette Basketball.


<shrug>  If you think Black Lives Matter implies that no one else's lives do, that is your own logical fault.  I seemingly can't show you the fallacy.  So if you have to end your association with Marquette basketball it's probably best for all parties involved.
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

warriorchick

Have some patience, FFS.

The Sultan

Quote from: kryza on June 23, 2020, 02:54:23 PM
It does though. I believe police brutality is a huge issue in America and I've been told countless times in the last month that I cannot talk about the 75% of non-black people that are gunned down unarmed each year by our police. I weep for everyone that dies needlessly, not just for the ones with a certain amount of melanin in their skins. I refuse to be racial prejudiced in my actions or charity, you all are free to do that though. I love Marquette and have been a season ticket owner and donated yearly since graduation almost 20 years ago. I never thought I would ever give up my season tickets, but this will do it for me. I will not be racially prejudiced and refuse to support anyone that is...even one of my most favorite things in the world which is Marquette Basketball.


One more thing.  The phrase "Black Lives Matter" doesn't imply "Only Black Lives Matter," it implies "Black Lives Matter Too."

And you truly care about the bolded, you will see that that's exactly what the movement is about.  Ridding society of racial prejudice in actions and charity.
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

kryza

Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on June 23, 2020, 03:05:06 PM

<shrug>  If you think Black Lives Matter implies that no one else's lives do, that is your own logical fault.  I seemingly can't show you the fallacy.  So if you have to end your association with Marquette basketball it's probably best for all parties involved.

I don't think that and didn't think that at the beginning, I've been told that we can only focus on them right now though. I want all police brutality and injustices to stop, not just 25% of it. Dividing people by their skin color only stops that from happening.

The founding fathers had a great mantra. Beware the men of faction. As soon as you divide people, you allow division and dissolve unity. We are all in this together, stop dividing people based on the color of their skin.

The Sultan

Quote from: kryza on June 23, 2020, 03:23:48 PM
I don't think that and didn't think that at the beginning, I've been told that we can only focus on them right now though.

No that's not true.  That is what you are choosing to believe.


Quote from: kryza on June 23, 2020, 03:23:48 PM
The founding fathers had a great mantra. Beware the men of faction. As soon as you divide people, you allow division and dissolve unity. We are all in this together, stop dividing people based on the color of their skin.

That is what you are choosing to do because you are misinterpreting a few words.  Think abut that for a minute.  You are engaging in division because you don't understand what a few words are implying.  That's on you.
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

WellsstreetWanderer

It's hard to get past all the violence and looting associated with BLM. It would be perceived to be more legitimate if it were a peaceful protest and I sure would like to see them show up in places like Chicago were Black Lives Matter just as much. I feel for those poor folks who have to endure so much tragedy in my home town.

MU82

Quote from: kryza on June 23, 2020, 03:23:48 PM
I don't think that and didn't think that at the beginning, I've been told that we can only focus on them right now though. I want all police brutality and injustices to stop, not just 25% of it. Dividing people by their skin color only stops that from happening.

The founding fathers had a great mantra. Beware the men of faction. As soon as you divide people, you allow division and dissolve unity. We are all in this together, stop dividing people based on the color of their skin.

Did they say that before or after Jefferson and Madison conspired to obstruct Hamilton's financial program, one they considered dangerous and divisive for the new union?

You are actively choosing not to get "Black lives matter." That's 100% on you.

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The Sultan

Quote from: WellsstreetWanderer on June 23, 2020, 03:39:11 PM
It's hard to get past all the violence and looting associated with BLM. It would be perceived to be more legitimate if it were a peaceful protest and I sure would like to see them show up in places like Chicago were Black Lives Matter just as much. I feel for those poor folks who have to endure so much tragedy in my home town.


The vast majority of protests have been peaceful and much of the violence has been perpetrated by people who aren't there to protest.  Don't let it distract you.
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

duanewade

Wait I'm all confused. 

Through the last century alone much bloodshed has been shed.  For example:

The English and French hated the Germans.  The Irish have hated the English and the southern Irish have even hated the northern Irish.  All the same race. 

Meanwhile in Asia the Chinese and Japanese hated each other and probably still do.  The same race.

Africa - Hutus and Tutsis killed each other.  The same race.

The Iraqis hated the Iranians.  The same race.

The Indians have sparred with Pakistan.  Mostly the same race. 

Now we're supposed to believe in fancy terms like systematic racism as to why man has been inclined to disagree, vote differently, spar politically, fight and even wage war over such issues as economics, land disputes, ambition, propaganda, and even secret alliances related to some guy named Franz Ferdinand?   

Or perhaps it's in our human DNA and these types of intense disagreements have manifested themselves in an ugly manner since the beginning of time and will most certainty continue in our future as well. 

I have dated girls of other races that I have a had a much stronger mental/political connection than girls of my own race.  The world is a complicated place and even people within the same family will see issues completely differently. 

wadesworld

Quote from: kryza on June 23, 2020, 03:23:48 PM
I don't think that and didn't think that at the beginning, I've been told that we can only focus on them right now though. I want all police brutality and injustices to stop, not just 25% of it. Dividing people by their skin color only stops that from happening.

The founding fathers had a great mantra. Beware the men of faction. As soon as you divide people, you allow division and dissolve unity. We are all in this together, stop dividing people based on the color of their skin.

What's funny is this has been the most unifying thing I can remember in my lifetime in the USA.  Yes there are people like you, Lenny, and a few others who burry their head in the sand so they can claim that Marquette is making a political statement rather than understanding that Marquette is speaking out against the oppression that minorities have faced in this country since Christopher Columbus invaded the Native Americans and their land.  But I've never seen white, black, brown, and any other skin colors come together across America...and then entire world!...and walk together as one.  You can hole up in your home and refuse to acknowledge the cause, but that doesn't make you right.

Herman Cain

Quote from: duanewade on June 23, 2020, 03:42:22 PM
Wait I'm all confused. 

Through the last century alone much bloodshed has been shed.  For example:

The English and French hated the Germans.  The Irish have hated the English and the southern Irish have even hated the northern Irish.  All the same race. 

Meanwhile in Asia the Chinese and Japanese hated each other and probably still do.  The same race.

Africa - Hutus and Tutsis killed each other.  The same race.

The Iraqis hated the Iranians.  The same race.

The Indians have sparred with Pakistan.  Mostly the same race. 

Now we're supposed to believe in fancy terms like systematic racism as to why man has been inclined to disagree, vote differently, spar politically, fight and even wage war over such issues as economics, land disputes, ambition, propaganda, and even secret alliances related to some guy named Franz Ferdinand?   

Or perhaps it's in our human DNA and these types of intense disagreements have manifested themselves in an ugly manner since the beginning of time and will most certainty continue in our future as well. 

I have dated girls of other races that I have a had a much stronger mental/political connection than girls of my own race.  The world is a complicated place and even people within the same family will see issues completely differently.
I agree with this analysis.
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