Sweden?

[Pakuni]

Edit: Missed that Lenny had posted this earlier. My bad.

[MU82]

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-06-03/man-behind-sweden-s-virus-strategy-says-he-got-some-things-wrong

Sweden's head epidemiologist admits he's got it wrong.

Thanks for posting, Lenny.

First, it's nice to see a leader of any kind - medical, political, academic, financial, business, sports, science, etc - admit mistakes. Not nearly enough of this. There are some who will never do it, thinks it makes them look "weak" when the opposite is true.

As for COVID, maybe, at least temporarily, this will put to rest the narrative by far too many (though not many Scoopers, thankfully) that Sweden got it "right" by letting its citizens die and suffer while everybody else got it "wrong."

[Lennys Tap]

Thanks for posting, Lenny.

First, it's nice to see a leader of any kind - medical, political, academic, financial, business, sports, science, etc - admit mistakes. Not nearly enough of this. There are some who will never do it, thinks it makes them look "weak" when the opposite is true.

As for COVID, maybe, at least temporarily, this will put to rest the narrative by far too many (though not many Scoopers, thankfully) that Sweden got it "right" by letting its citizens die and suffer while everybody else got it "wrong."

Mike

I was certainly hoping that Sweden's head epidemiologist had it right but the numbers say otherwise. Once that happens it's time to change course. Wrong and stubborn is a bad (and lethal) combination for those looking for answers about this virus.

[WarriorDad]

Sweden admitted some mistakes, the chief of the strategy also reiterated it was a good strategy and primarily at issue were the elderly.  This is no different than what he said 6 weeks ago, 3 weeks ago and again last week.

He specifically defended the lockdown strategy.  They have said for quite some time they did not adequately protect the elderly. 

"There are things that we could have done better but in general I think that Sweden has chosen the right way," Sweden's chief epidemiologist Anders Tegnell said Wednesday, in an interview with Swedish newspaper Dagens Nyheter.

They look to improve on their approach, as they should.  Norway's leader last week said their country went too far and should have adopted more Swedish proposals.  Sounds to me like both countries are understanding the draconian approach was too much, and the too soft approach especially with the elderly was too little.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/03/europe/sweden-coronavirus-lockdown-intl/index.html

[Hards Alumni]

Sweden admitted some mistakes, the chief of the strategy also reiterated it was a good strategy and primarily at issue were the elderly.  This is no different than what he said 6 weeks ago, 3 weeks ago and again last week.

He specifically defended the lockdown strategy.  They have said for quite some time they did not adequately protect the elderly. 

"There are things that we could have done better but in general I think that Sweden has chosen the right way," Sweden's chief epidemiologist Anders Tegnell said Wednesday, in an interview with Swedish newspaper Dagens Nyheter.

They look to improve on their approach, as they should.  Norway's leader last week said their country went too far and should have adopted more Swedish proposals.  Sounds to me like both countries are understanding the draconian approach was too much, and the too soft approach especially with the elderly was too little.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/03/europe/sweden-coronavirus-lockdown-intl/index.html

He was responding to reports on comments he made in an earlier interview with Swedish radio, which were widely interpreted as an admission of a failure. "If we were to encounter the same disease, given exactly what we know about it today, I think we would reach a conclusion to act somewhere in between what Sweden did and what the rest of the world did," Tegnell said in that interview.

[The Sultan]

WarriorDad celebrating the deaths in Sweden:

[Pakuni]

WarriorDad celebrating the deaths in Sweden:

It's more like:

[Hards Alumni]

It's more like:

so it goes

[MU82]

Yeah, I sure wish we had that high a death rate AND the crappy economy that Sweden has (and we have). If only our leaders had been as sharp as Swedens, we could have at least a couple million less mouths to feed here. More for the rest of us!

[WarriorDad]

Fluffy Blue Monster, Pakuni, Hards Alumni view on suicide increases from COVID reaction by their government.

[The Sultan]

Fluffy Blue Monster, Pakuni, Hards Alumni view on suicide increases from COVID reaction by their government.

Oh I care.  I'm just not going to pretend that the number of suicides will exceed the number of Covid deaths like you are.

[Hards Alumni]

Fluffy Blue Monster, Pakuni, Hards Alumni view on suicide increases from COVID reaction by their government.

Except I do care.  People will find all sorts of reasons to kill themselves, and they should seek help before they come to that decision.  Never a single time did I say, nor even insinuate, that suicides related to COVID19 are necessary. 

Yet, you don't seem to care about the deaths in Sweden.  You've thanked them for their sacrifice and said that, "someone had to do it". 

Do you realize how ghoulish that sounds?  It's despicable.

[Pakuni]

Except I do care.  People will find all sorts of reasons to kill themselves, and they should seek help before they come to that decision.  Never a single time did I say, nor even insinuate, that suicides related to COVID19 are necessary. 

Yet, you don't seem to care about the deaths in Sweden.  You've thanked them for their sacrifice and said that, "someone had to do it". 

Do you realize how ghoulish that sounds?  It's despicable.

Nobody has said, suggested or implied that any suicide is anything less than sad and tragic. Certainly nobody has thanked suicide victims for their sacrifice.
But at this point, it's all he's got.

[Pakuni]

Remember when some were making a big deal about a doctor claiming his hospital had seen a year's worth of suicide attempts in just four weeks of the lockdown?
It wasn't true, of course.

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/salvadorhernandez/doctor-california-coronavirus-suicide-lockdown

[Spotcheck Billy]

Except I do care.  People will find all sorts of reasons to kill themselves, and they should seek help before they come to that decision.  Never a single time did I say, nor even insinuate, that suicides related to COVID19 are necessary. 

Yet, you don't seem to care about the deaths in Sweden.  You've thanked them for their sacrifice and said that, "someone had to do it". 

Do you realize how ghoulish that sounds?  It's despicable.

Are you also tracking the number of suicides in Sweden for comparison?

[Hards Alumni]

Are you also tracking the number of suicides in Sweden for comparison?

I'm not because they are not relevant to Sweden's lockdown working or not working.  Suicide is entirely preventable if people seek help.

[pbiflyer]

Oh I care.  I'm just not going to pretend that the number of suicides will exceed the number of Covid deaths like you are.

In many places, suicide deaths are significantly lower than average. But it just FEELS that it should be higher, so that it what people go with.

[MU82]

hoopaloop shifts goalposts again ... and does it while both gaslighting and jumping the shark.

A very talented multitasker!

[tower912]

I appreciate warriordad laying to waste one of Chico's mewling canards.  Jamie always said that it doesn't matter what is said, it matters who says it.   Since WD is clearly not Chico's, but says the same things in the same way using much the same grammar,
engendering the same visceral reactions, clearly it is what is said, not who says it.

[MU82]

I appreciate warriordad laying to waste one of Chico's mewling canards.  Jamie always said that it doesn't matter what is said, it matters who says it.   Since WD is clearly not Chico's, but says the same things in the same way using much the same grammar,
engendering the same visceral reactions, clearly it is what is said, not who says it.

More importantly, tower, that was one hell of a use of the word, "mewling." I hadn't heard that one in a long time. And in combination with "canards," to boot.

As Miss Moneypenny once told James Bond, "You're such a cunning linguist!"

[tower912]

What about 'engendering' and 'visceral?'

[MU82]

What about 'engendering' and 'visceral?'

Don't get greedy.

Besides, a very vindictive certain someone will not like it if he finds out you're the one who actually has the best words.

[The Sultan]

Norway, Denmark and Finland have all closed their borders to people from Sweden.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/22/world/europe/sweden-coronavirus-pariah-scandinavia.html?smtyp=cur&smid=tw-nytimes

[Jockey]

Sweden is also requiring ALL students to attend school. Pre-existing conditions or family members who are higher risk to the virus are not an excuse. If parents refuse to send their child to school, Social Services will be notified and parents could lose custody.

https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-sweden-compels-parents-send-kids-to-school-2020-5

[tower912]

Norway, Denmark and Finland have all closed their borders to people from Sweden.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/22/world/europe/sweden-coronavirus-pariah-scandinavia.html?smtyp=cur&smid=tw-nytimes

And the EU is closing their borders to visitors from America.    Smart.   Don't let in people from countries that have failed to contain the virus.