Sweden?

[mu_hilltopper]

Graphical Sweden update..

https://twitter.com/ScottGottliebMD/status/1276698852448522240

[Pakuni]

Graphical Sweden update..

https://twitter.com/ScottGottliebMD/status/1276698852448522240

I should know better, but I made the mistake of diving into the replies ... and hoo, boy. So much stupid.

[MU82]

I should know better, but I made the mistake of diving into the replies ... and hoo, boy. So much stupid.

I did like person who, very politely, told us to "enjoy your riots."

Swedes sure are funny when they're not dropping dead in global pandemics.

[tower912]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/swedens-prime-minister-orders-an-inquiry-into-the-failure-of-the-countrys-no-lockdown-coronavirus-strategy/ar-BB16fGmB?li=BBnb7Kz

Funny that they are launching an inquiry into the failure when the USA is essentially copying them and Brazil at the federal level.   

[tower912]

If the rumors are true that the new policy is going to be 'Live with it,' then the Sweden advocates will be happy.

[Warriors4ever]

Their numbers on Worldometers haven't been making sense. Some days they haven't reported anything, yesterday they reported 100+ and the day before, 700+.

[GooooMarquette]

Their numbers on Worldometers haven't been making sense. Some days they haven't reported anything, yesterday they reported 100+ and the day before, 700+.

Maybe they're intermittently trying POTUS' "if we don't test, there won't be any cases" strategy.

[GooooMarquette]

NYT: Sweden Has Become the World's Cautionary Tale

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/07/business/sweden-economy-coronavirus.html?action=click&algo=top_conversion&block=trending_recirc&fellback=false&imp_id=583660427&impression_id=692904798&index=1&pgtype=Article&region=footer&req_id=765470591&surface=most-popular

Ever since the coronavirus emerged in Europe, Sweden has captured international attention by conducting an unorthodox, open-air experiment. It has allowed the world to examine what happens in a pandemic when a government allows life to carry on largely unhindered.

This is what has happened: Not only have thousands more people died than in neighboring countries that imposed lockdowns, but Sweden's economy has fared little better.

"They literally gained nothing," said Jacob F. Kirkegaard, a senior fellow at the Peterson Institute for International Economics in Washington. "It's a self-inflicted wound, and they have no economic gains."

___________

As many of us have argued all along, you can't keep the economy running if a pandemic is running roughshod over your people. Deal with the virus first....

[The Sultan]

NYT: Sweden Has Become the World's Cautionary Tale

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/07/business/sweden-economy-coronavirus.html?action=click&algo=top_conversion&block=trending_recirc&fellback=false&imp_id=583660427&impression_id=692904798&index=1&pgtype=Article&region=footer&req_id=765470591&surface=most-popular

Ever since the coronavirus emerged in Europe, Sweden has captured international attention by conducting an unorthodox, open-air experiment. It has allowed the world to examine what happens in a pandemic when a government allows life to carry on largely unhindered.

This is what has happened: Not only have thousands more people died than in neighboring countries that imposed lockdowns, but Sweden's economy has fared little better.

"They literally gained nothing," said Jacob F. Kirkegaard, a senior fellow at the Peterson Institute for International Economics in Washington. "It's a self-inflicted wound, and they have no economic gains."

___________

As many of us have argued all along, you can't keep the economy running if a pandemic is running roughshod over your people. Deal with the virus first....

"Here is one takeaway with potentially universal import: It is simplistic to portray government actions such as quarantines as the cause of economic damage. The real culprit is the virus itself. From Asia to Europe to the Americas, the risks of the pandemic have disrupted businesses while prompting people to avoid shopping malls and restaurants, regardless of official policy."

Exactly. 

[Pakuni]

Nut graph:

Implicit in these approaches is the assumption that governments must balance saving lives against the imperative to spare jobs, with the extra health risks of rolling back social distancing potentially justified by a resulting boost to prosperity. But Sweden's grim result — more death, and nearly equal economic damage — suggests that the supposed choice between lives and paychecks is a false one: A failure to impose social distancing can cost lives and jobs at the same time.

[tower912]

As America leapfrogs them into the abyss.

[rocky_warrior]

Looking at Sweden's covid graphs tonight - they've had declining positive tests, and rapidly declining deaths - but then a spike back up (to only 10) deaths after a couple weeks of single digits.  Their positive cases also took a plummet after late June, so I'm not certain if:
1) people started acting differently after all the bad news / press
2) Businesses / government changed any guidelines
3) They're just winning... (still with a high death rate)

None of the answers to those are apparent after a quick google search.  If anyone has continued following, or know folks in Sweden, I'd be interested to hear more.

[Warriors4ever]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.thelocal.se/20200721/swedish-island-recruits-medieval-knights-to-help-people-keep-a-distance/amp

The knights have been called into action.
Jousting poles work well to enforce social distancing.

[MU Fan in Connecticut]

I thought it was going to be about the Knights Hospitaliers of Malta.

[tower912]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/sweden-hoped-herd-immunity-curb-080003569.html


USA today opinion piece found on Yahoo.   Written by Swedish physicians.   Unknown how many believe a cause of infertility is having demon sex in your dreams.       Underlying theme, don't do what we did.   

[pacearrow02]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/sweden-hoped-herd-immunity-curb-080003569.html


USA today opinion piece found on Yahoo.   Written by Swedish physicians.   Unknown how many believe a cause of infertility is having demon sex in your dreams.       Underlying theme, don't do what we did.   

https://www.bloomberg.com/amp/news/articles/2020-07-28/sweden-unveils-promising-covid-19-data-as-new-cases-plunge?__twitter_impression=true

[Pakuni]

https://www.bloomberg.com/amp/news/articles/2020-07-28/sweden-unveils-promising-covid-19-data-as-new-cases-plunge?__twitter_impression=true

Context is important.
In the last week, Sweden has seen 1,122 new cases. Considering where they were, that's cause for celebration.
But neighboring Denmark, Norway and Finland have seen 437 new cases combined in the last week.

So yeah, Sweden has seen a drop from where it was - which was awful. But relative to their Scandinavian neighbors, Sweden continues to fare poorly.

[MarquetteDano]

Context is important.
In the last week, Sweden has seen 1,122 new cases. Considering where they were, that's cause for celebration.
But neighboring Denmark, Norway and Finland have seen 437 new cases combined in the last week.

So yeah, Sweden has seen a drop from where it was - which was awful. But relative to their Scandinavian neighbors, Sweden continues to fare poorly.

People wanted us to be more like Sweden.  We are getting close in deaths per capita.  They are still worse but we are doing our best to catch up.

[Billy Hoyle]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.thelocal.se/20200721/swedish-island-recruits-medieval-knights-to-help-people-keep-a-distance/amp

The knights have been called into action.
Jousting poles work well to enforce social distancing.

meanwhile, our federal government has called into action the Dismembered Knight from Monty Python.

[Hards Alumni]

Context is important.
In the last week, Sweden has seen 1,122 new cases. Considering where they were, that's cause for celebration.
But neighboring Denmark, Norway and Finland have seen 437 new cases combined in the last week.

So yeah, Sweden has seen a drop from where it was - which was awful. But relative to their Scandinavian neighbors, Sweden continues to fare poorly.

And nevermind that the people of Sweden have taken it upon themselves to reduce the numbers.  They're social distancing, wearing masks, etc all on their own.

[TSmith34, Inc.]

https://www.bloomberg.com/amp/news/articles/2020-07-28/sweden-unveils-promising-covid-19-data-as-new-cases-plunge?__twitter_impression=true

Never give up cheeks

[GooooMarquette]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/sweden-hoped-herd-immunity-curb-080003569.html


USA today opinion piece found on Yahoo.   Written by Swedish physicians.   Unknown how many believe a cause of infertility is having demon sex in your dreams.       Underlying theme, don't do what we did.   

Yep. This paragraph says it all:

In Sweden, the strategy has led to death, grief and suffering. On top of that, there are no indications that the Swedish economy has fared better than in many other countries. At the moment, we have set an example for the rest of the world on how not to deal with a deadly infectious disease.

[MarquetteDano]

In Sweden, the strategy has led to death, grief and suffering. On top of that, there are no indications that the Swedish economy has fared better than in many other countries. At the moment, we have set an example for the rest of the world on how not to deal with a deadly infectious disease.

Completely disagree.  The United States has set an example for the rest of the world on how NOT to deal with a deadly infectious disease.

Fun listening to my German clients laugh at our expense.

[pacearrow02]

Context is important.
In the last week, Sweden has seen 1,122 new cases. Considering where they were, that's cause for celebration.
But neighboring Denmark, Norway and Finland have seen 437 new cases combined in the last week.

Strange that same context wasn't used with NY, NJ, CONN, etc who got hit hard early but aren't as in bad of shape.  Shocked you moved the goalposts a bit.

So yeah, Sweden has seen a drop from where it was - which was awful. But relative to their Scandinavian neighbors, Sweden continues to fare poorly.

[GooooMarquette]

Completely disagree.  The United States has set an example for the rest of the world on how NOT to deal with a deadly infectious disease.

Fun listening to my German clients laugh at our expense.

Point taken. Either way, the US and Sweden are both running the race in the wrong direction.