Vaccine/Antibody updates

[Uncle Rico]

Did they give a reason? It seems to be far enough removed from the government that a substandard vaccine isn't being approved for political reasons.

One said they've never taken a flu shot, so he's not going to take this one.  The other one said he just wasn't taking it.  Both lean right, one way right.  To be fair, another person I know that lean way right is taking it as soon as he can

[Frenns Liquor Depot]

One said they've never taken a flu shot, so he's not going to take this one.  The other one said he just wasn't taking it.  Both lean right, one way right.  To be fair, another person I know that lean way right is taking it as soon as he can

Sounds like it's a view on vaccines in general versus the politicization risk that was building pre election

[lawdog77]

Had two people tell me yesterday they won't take it

I'd wait a few months before taking it to see if any zombie-like side effects appear.

[GooooMarquette]

Sounds like it's a view on vaccines in general versus the politicization risk that was building pre election

Yep...especially the person who said they'd never had a flu shot.

Anyhow, I hope your theory plays out the way you suggest...that the distance Pfizer kept between their vaccine and the politics will encourage more people to be confident in its safety and efficacy.

On a related note, infectious disease experts at Mayo Clinic are very excited about the potential of this vaccine.

https://www.medcitybeat.com/news-blog/2020/mayo-researchers-respond-pfizer-vaccine-results

[GooooMarquette]

I'd wait a few months before taking it to see if any zombie-like side effects appear.

I have a feeling that anyone outside of frontline healthcare workers will be waiting a few months whether they like it or not. If our doctors and nurses aren't turning into zombies by the time the rest of us can get it, that will be good enough for me.

[Uncle Rico]

Sounds like it's a view on vaccines in general versus the politicization risk that was building pre election

Entirely possible but it's still disappointing

[rocky_warrior]

I have a feeling that anyone outside of frontline healthcare workers will be waiting a few months whether they like it or not. If our doctors and nurses aren't turning into zombies by the time the rest of us can get it, that will be good enough for me.

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This, I want to know its safe and effective, but there's really no chance "regular folks" are getting a vaccine until maybe March (earliest - I've head that's the target for elder/at risk patients). In a perfect world first doses are in Dec, but quantities won't be there until mid-late 2021 for the rest of us.

[Jockey]

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This, I want to know its safe and effective, but there's really no chance "regular folks" are getting a vaccine until maybe March (earliest - I've head that's the target for elder/at risk patients). In a perfect world first doses are in Dec, but quantities won't be there until mid-late 2021 for the rest of us.

That's what the experts have said all along, but people don't wanna do science.

[pbiflyer]

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This, I want to know its safe and effective, but there's really no chance "regular folks" are getting a vaccine until maybe March (earliest - I've head that's the target for elder/at risk patients). In a perfect world first doses are in Dec, but quantities won't be there until mid-late 2021 for the rest of us.

As long as I get to go to first round NCAAs this year.  Vaccine March 1st, on a plane March 17th, hanging with 20k other vaccinated folks March 18th/20th.

[reinko]

Holding out hope for the J&J one, as I believe it is the only major player testing out a single dose.

[rocky_warrior]

As long as I get to go to first round NCAAs this year.  Vaccine March 1st, on a plane March 17th, hanging with 20k other vaccinated folks March 18th/20th.

I've got some bridges (and vials of vaccines) to sell you

[ZiggysFryBoy]

I have a feeling that anyone outside of frontline healthcare workers will be waiting a few months whether they like it or not. If our doctors and nurses aren't turning into zombies by the time the rest of us can get it, that will be good enough for me.

So you arent waiting for EU approval anymore?  Hyperbole much?

[pbiflyer]

I've got some bridges (and vials of vaccines) to sell you

Quit crushing my fantasy world.

[Galway Eagle]

So you arent waiting for EU approval anymore?  Hyperbole much?

My guess is of had been an OWS company that he'd still be waiting on EU approval. Different situation when it a non politicized company. 

[lawdog77]

Pence said this was the result of their unprecedented public-private partnership. That is false. It was done without government funds or direction.

If someone wants to give a president credit. First credit goes to George Bush, who created the initiative to greatly expand vaccine technology that directly led to the methodologies used here. Second credit goes to Obama, who expanded that initiative.

Without them, the decades+ of research that allowed this to be done at all, and also as quickly as it was, would be non-existent.

Didn't the government pre-pay for $2 billion worth of doses

[The Sultan]

Didn't the government pre-pay for $2 billion worth of doses

No.  The government agreed to pay $2 billion for 100 million doses if it proved to be effective.  This purchasing program is part of Warp Speed as well.

[lawdog77]

No.  The government agreed to pay $2 billion for 100 million doses if it proved to be effective.  This purchasing program is part of Warp Speed as well.

Thanks.

[GooooMarquette]

My guess is of had been an OWS company that he'd still be waiting on EU approval. Different situation when it a non politicized company.

We have a winner!

[wadesworld]

My guess is of had been an OWS company that he'd still be waiting on EU approval. Different situation when it a non politicized company.

Yeah it takes just a little common sense to figure out.

[ZiggysFryBoy]

We have a winner!

FDA still has to approve it.  Too political still?

Mainly busting balls, BLM doesnt get it (doesnt get much) but figured you would.

[wadesworld]

FDA still has to approve it.  Too political still?

Mainly busting balls, BLM doesnt get it (doesnt get much) but figured you would.

Ouch!

Can you blame me, though?  I'm just a rich white kid, ai'na?

[ZiggysFryBoy]

Ouch!

Can you blame me, though?  I'm just a rich white kid, ai'na?

You should change your screen name to white privilege.

[wadesworld]

You should change your screen name to white privilege.

Appreciate the recommendation.  BLM triggers enough snowflakes around here, so I think I'll stick with what I've got.

[MU82]

Not the best optics ...

From the WSJ:

Shortly after Pfizer's share price surged Monday on news that its coronavirus vaccine was 90 percent effective, CEO Albert Bourla sold $5.6 million in company shares, amounting to 60 percent of his holdings. And he's not alone: Execs at Moderna and Novavax did the same thing after positive news broke about their vaccines.

The companies, and even savvy investors, say it's not unusual. Such executives often keep their shares in programs that unload company stock on predetermined dates or when prices hit certain targets. Nonetheless, some experts say it could erode confidence in the vaccines, which most Americans are already skeptical of.

[lawdog77]

Not the best optics ...

From the WSJ:

Shortly after Pfizer's share price surged Monday on news that its coronavirus vaccine was 90 percent effective, CEO Albert Bourla sold $5.6 million in company shares, amounting to 60 percent of his holdings. And he's not alone: Execs at Moderna and Novavax did the same thing after positive news broke about their vaccines.

The companies, and even savvy investors, say it's not unusual. Such executives often keep their shares in programs that unload company stock on predetermined dates or when prices hit certain targets. Nonetheless, some experts say it could erode confidence in the vaccines, which most Americans are already skeptical of.

Some would say it was bad optics to hold off the announcement of 90% effectiveness until1 week after the election.