Wisconsin

[MUDPT]

Fair enough, should have used "unlikely" but I think we're all smart enough to understand the gist of the original statement.

Thank you. All of this is gray. I think the public believes there is a right and wrong process for every medical decision. And it rarely is black and white.

[Hards Alumni]

Couldn't agree more. Unfortunately the data has become politicized up the ying yang. Also, I've found that the general population understands zero order stats (totals, average, etc) but once you start getting into first and second order stats (variance, rates, utilization, etc). Let's not even talk about higher order stats like skewness.

I liked my simple equation the best.   

[Uncle Rico]

Couldn't agree more. Unfortunately the data has become politicized up the ying yang. Also, I've found that the general population understands zero order stats (totals, average, etc) but once you start getting into first and second order stats (variance, rates, utilization, etc). Let's not even talk about higher order stats like skewness.

Ugh.  This is America.  We don't do math

[Frenns Liquor Depot]

Couldn't agree more. Unfortunately the data has become politicized up the ying yang. Also, I've found that the general population understands zero order stats (totals, average, etc) but once you start getting into first and second order stats (variance, rates, utilization, etc). Let's not even talk about higher order stats like skewness.

We all should be better consumers of news, data, etc.  However the general population will always need things communicated in a way that makes it easy to understand and isnt going to go hunting for things.  The Gov's can do this--the federal gov't can report metrics that matter.  Not rocket science -- This is the metric, this is what it means, our target is X, we are here.

As an example, our state used hospitalizations as a key metric to reopen.  The thing I didnt know until yesterday when I found that Axios report (linked in the COVID thread) report is that our hospitalization capacity (for COVID) is still way above some states and clearly peaked at much higher numbers. Seeing this made me better appreciate why some of the frustration is out there.

[mu_hilltopper]

Well, this is just awesome.

https://wxow.com/2020/05/22/shawano-county-campground-owner-says-shell-treat-wearing-masks-on-her-property-as-a-burglary-in-progress/

Not unique to WI. 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/05/28/masks-not-allowed-coronavirus/

[MU Fan in Connecticut]

Well, this is just awesome.

https://wxow.com/2020/05/22/shawano-county-campground-owner-says-shell-treat-wearing-masks-on-her-property-as-a-burglary-in-progress/

Not unique to WI. 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/05/28/masks-not-allowed-coronavirus/

Meanwhile in Connecticut stores have altered the well know sign to now read
No shirt, no shoes, no mask, no service.

[Jockey]

Testing is also massively improved since then as well, but let's ignore that part.

More people die because of more testing? More people are hospitalized because of more testing?

Now you'are really reaching.

Edit: sorry 82. I just saw your post.

[Jockey]

As discussed a million times on here death is a lagging indicator.  Not a chance the death count from yesterday came from folks who got infected since the SC ruling.  Keep spinning MU82

Wrong. SC decision was 15 days ago. This is exactly when you would expect deaths to rise.

[Jockey]

Couldn't agree more. Unfortunately the data has become politicized up the ying yang. Also, I've found that the general population understands zero order stats (totals, average, etc) but once you start getting into first and second order stats (variance, rates, utilization, etc). Let's not even talk about higher order stats like skewness.

I love your posts, Eng. Always the engineer.

I do look forward to an off the rails rant from you, though. 

[mu03eng]

I love your posts, Eng. Always the engineer.

I do look forward to an off the rails rant from you, though. 

Eh, I'll leave that to the professionals 

[mu03eng]

Wrong. SC decision was 15 days ago. This is exactly when you would expect deaths to rise.

This is the earliest you would see a person actually die if infected at the reopening, wouldn't show up in the count until next week.

[ZiggysFryBoy]

This is the earliest you would see a person actually die if infected at the reopening, wouldn't show up in the count until next week.

That doesn't jive with jockitch's narrative tho.

[ZiggysFryBoy]

New record today .. 601 new cases, 23 deaths also a record.

Deaths per day:
May 23:  11
May 24:  3
May 25:  4
May 26:  3
May 27:  22
May 28:  11

hmmm...did a bunch of people take off dying over the 3 day weekend or was there just a lag in reporting?  This is why 1 day numbers are worthless.

[Galway Eagle]

Deaths per day:
May 23:  11
May 24:  3
May 25:  4
May 26:  3
May 27:  22
May 28:  11

hmmm...did a bunch of people take off dying over the 3 day weekend or was there just a lag in reporting?  This is why 1 day numbers are worthless.

Can you prove they didn't take off dying?

[mu_hilltopper]

I posted the new numbers because they are .. new numbers.  I do think it's .. at best unproven that the higher numbers we're seeing is entirely correlated to the SCOWIS decision to open .. but #1 .. the data doesn't look good and #2 .. time will tell.   Wait 10 days, 20, 30.

If you were in Vegas, the house wouldn't let you bet on an upward trajectory at even odds.

[Sir Lawrence]

And not surprising, the Wisconsin State Fair is officially canceled.  Was set to open August 6. 

[Uncle Rico]

https://twitter.com/kenosha_news/status/1266001020133441540?s=21

[MU82]

If you were in Vegas, the house wouldn't let you bet on an upward trajectory at even odds.

This.

Unfortunately, the near-panicked rush to reopen almost certainly will have wrought havoc.

Times of crisis give us insight into national and local leadership (or lack thereof) that good times cannot.

[The Sultan]

https://twitter.com/kenosha_news/status/1266001020133441540?s=21

That's...not great news...at all.

[Uncle Rico]

https://twitter.com/ddiamond/status/1266099973483106304?s=21

[4everwarriors]

This.

Unfortunately, the near-panicked rush to reopen almost certainly will have wrought havoc.
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Times of crisis give us insight into national and local leadership (or lack thereof) that good times cannot.

Geez, maybe we should all stand 7' 4" apart and march in place holdin' our johnsons, hey?

[tower912]

Wear masks.   Wash your hands.    Act as if going somewhere needlessly could kill you.   

[Jockey]

Geez, maybe we should all stand 7' 4" apart and march in place holdin' our johnsons, hey?

So you're in the trump camp that mocks 100,000 dead Americans?

[Warriors4ever]

I read that Kenosha tweet. What is also disturbing in it was that people do not want to cooperate with the public health nurses doing contact tracing,

[Jockey]

Well, this is just awesome.

https://wxow.com/2020/05/22/shawano-county-campground-owner-says-shell-treat-wearing-masks-on-her-property-as-a-burglary-in-progress/

So, she thinks she has the right to murder responsible people?

Since some see masks as political - and Trump thanked a tweeter today for saying the only good Democrat is a dead democrat (in a church, no less) - we can't be surprised by her lunacy.