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« Reply #375 on: May 02, 2020, 01:43:43 PM »
It's interesting reading the Wake boards and how giddy they are over this hire...calling it a "home run hire". Understandably after the Manning tenure, it sure would feel like a 'home run hire". For Wake Forest, it is a "home run hire". I'm curious to know how MU fans would feel if MU were to make this hire?? For me, this would NOT be a home run hire..at least not under normal circumstances. It would be like a bunt single to me.

I think WF's fences are quite a bit closer to home plate than they are in most places...

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« Reply #376 on: May 02, 2020, 01:44:27 PM »
I think WF's fences are quite a bit closer to home plate than they are in most places...
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« Reply #377 on: May 17, 2020, 03:25:39 PM »
This is...stunning..

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BREAKING: Green Bay has parted ways with Linc Darner, source told @Stadium
. Darner was 92-80 in five seasons was 12 games above .500 in Horizon play, and his contract was through 2026.

Darner and his staff were completely blindsided.

This one is baffling.
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« Reply #378 on: May 17, 2020, 03:37:56 PM »
This is...stunning..

Jeff Goodman
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BREAKING: Green Bay has parted ways with Linc Darner, source told @Stadium
. Darner was 92-80 in five seasons was 12 games above .500 in Horizon play, and his contract was through 2026.

Darner and his staff were completely blindsided.

This one is baffling.

Sure is. Why now suddenly especially.

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« Reply #379 on: May 17, 2020, 03:49:44 PM »
Budget cuts?   About to cut the basketball program completely?
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« Reply #380 on: May 17, 2020, 03:52:18 PM »
That is strange.  He was only making about $230k so its not that much of a cost cutting move, unless they slow roll the hiring of a new coach.  Or something bad happened.

Or maybe they are considering dropping down to D2 or D3. 
« Last Edit: May 17, 2020, 03:54:15 PM by Fluffy Blue Monster »
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« Reply #381 on: May 17, 2020, 03:52:30 PM »
Budget cuts?   About to cut the basketball program completely?

That athletic department runs on a shoestring budget. Eating 6 years of a contract? I dunno.

It would not surprise me if they eventually drop a level.

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« Reply #382 on: May 17, 2020, 03:54:35 PM »
Sure doesn't seem like a cost cutting move..

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« Reply #383 on: May 17, 2020, 03:54:57 PM »
That athletic department runs on a shoestring budget. Eating 6 years of a contract? I dunno.

It would not surprise me if they eventually drop a level.


We don't know what the buy out was.  Or maybe they'll try the "for cause" angle.
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« Reply #384 on: May 17, 2020, 04:31:27 PM »
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Getting a ton of coaches in industry texting me with shock at Linc Darner’s dismissal - especially at a time when so many schools having to cut budget.

Darner went to the NCAA five years ago in his first season at the helm. It was first time in 19 seasons for the program.
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« Reply #385 on: May 17, 2020, 04:36:49 PM »
That is strange.  He was only making about $230k so its not that much of a cost cutting move, unless they slow roll the hiring of a new coach.  Or something bad happened.

Or maybe they are considering dropping down to D2 or D3.



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« Reply #386 on: May 17, 2020, 04:57:31 PM »
Darner’s base salary was $230,000 per season. If UWGB must pay the entire contract because it fired him due to performance, the school would owe him more than $1 million. If the school fired him with cause – such as violating an NCAA rule – they could get out of paying him. 
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« Reply #387 on: May 17, 2020, 05:05:07 PM »
Darner’s base salary was $230,000 per season. If UWGB must pay the entire contract because it fired him due to performance, the school would owe him more than $1 million. If the school fired him with cause – such as violating an NCAA rule – they could get out of paying him. 

Guru up above you posted a tweet saying that it was one year base salary. At least initially.  My guess is the assistants were largely at will.
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« Reply #388 on: May 17, 2020, 05:08:59 PM »
Guru up above you posted a tweet saying that it was one year base salary. At least initially.  My guess is the assistants were largely at will.

Yes, that was a tweet from Sweeney, the last item I posted was right from the GB Press Gazette

https://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/story/sports/2020/05/17/uwgb-mens-basketball-coach-linc-darner-fired-school/5209964002/
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« Reply #389 on: May 17, 2020, 05:11:03 PM »
Yes, that was a tweet from Sweeney, the last item I posted was right from the GB Press Gazette

https://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/story/sports/2020/05/17/uwgb-mens-basketball-coach-linc-darner-fired-school/5209964002/

That’s why they used the word “if.”  I would be amazed if the entire contract was guaranteed.
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« Reply #390 on: May 17, 2020, 05:17:08 PM »
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Can confirm it’s one year of base salary on Darner’s contract as the buyout, which still had five years left on it. Tough timing to make a move... you had better have a plan if you’re doing something right now.
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« Reply #391 on: May 17, 2020, 05:17:37 PM »
There must be more to the story here. Darner is a good coach. Did a good job in a difficult locale to recruit to. I would think his head coaching experience would be invaluable to a major program as an assistant. Who knows, maybe he decides to sit a yr in what is an uncertain season anyway and see what options are available in ‘21.
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« Reply #392 on: May 17, 2020, 05:21:04 PM »
There must be more to the story here. Darner is a good coach. Did a good job in a difficult locale to recruit to. I would think his head coaching experience would be invaluable to a major program as an assistant. Who knows, maybe he decides to sit a yr in what is an uncertain season anyway and see what options are available in ‘21.

Would be interesting if he parked himself at the end of our bench for a year.  Or would that ruin his buyout?

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« Reply #393 on: May 17, 2020, 05:29:44 PM »
Would be interesting if he parked himself at the end of our bench for a year.  Or would that ruin his buyout?

Probably, that’s how buyouts usually work. But, it could be a similar situation to Ford at SLU having his buyout deducted from his new salary.

Question: can GB continue at D1? What is their financial situation?
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« Reply #394 on: May 17, 2020, 05:35:17 PM »
Would be interesting if he parked himself at the end of our bench for a year.  Or would that ruin his buyout?

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« Reply #395 on: May 17, 2020, 05:36:47 PM »
Shocking to make a move on May 17th. Something doesn't add up. Not in Green Bay's DNA.
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« Reply #396 on: May 17, 2020, 07:07:38 PM »
That athletic department runs on a shoestring budget. Eating 6 years of a contract? I dunno.

It would not surprise me if they eventually drop a level.

It has to be either dropping from D1 or a pretty serious issue (unreported player issues, major recruiting violation, etc.).  There's no way his performance merited firing.

With the timing, I'm wondering if they let him know that they were probably dropping to D2/D3 after next season, gave him the option to stay, and he said no thanks.  If they aren't ready to announce the move publicly, they basically have to fire him without explanation. 

With the UW budget shortfalls that are bound to happen over the next few years, no doubt that relatively expensive athletic programs will be some of the first to go, at least temporarily.  Wouldn't doubt if a few UWM programs move down, or are dropped entirely.  In fact, it might actually make more sense for UWGB to drop the men's program entirely, knowing that they could always rejoin the Horizon someday. 

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« Reply #397 on: May 17, 2020, 07:20:18 PM »
It has to be either dropping from D1 or a pretty serious issue (unreported player issues, major recruiting violation, etc.).  There's no way his performance merited firing.

With the timing, I'm wondering if they let him know that they were probably dropping to D2/D3 after next season, gave him the option to stay, and he said no thanks.  If they aren't ready to announce the move publicly, they basically have to fire him without explanation. 

With the UW budget shortfalls that are bound to happen over the next few years, no doubt that relatively expensive athletic programs will be some of the first to go, at least temporarily.  Wouldn't doubt if a few UWM programs move down, or are dropped entirely.  In fact, it might actually make more sense for UWGB to drop the men's program entirely, knowing that they could always rejoin the Horizon someday. 


**You can't drop down a few programs.  If you are division one, you are division one.  (With some exception for sports like lacrosse and hockey.)

**Men's basketball is likely their biggest money maker.  That's not the sport they would drop.

It's going to be interesting to see what comes out of this.  After thinking about it more, I doubt they are dropping to D2 or D3.  They don't have a huge array of sports, and none of the real expensive ones like football or hockey.  I guess if it's THAT bad its a possibility...

I am wondering if they just think its a way to get out from under their most expensive contract. 

Or something bad happened.  We will see.
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« Reply #398 on: May 17, 2020, 07:26:30 PM »

**You can't drop down a few programs.  If you are division one, you are division one.  (With some exception for sports like lacrosse and hockey.)

**Men's basketball is likely their biggest money maker.  That's not the sport they would drop.

It's going to be interesting to see what comes out of this.  After thinking about it more, I doubt they are dropping to D2 or D3.  They don't have a huge array of sports, and none of the real expensive ones like football or hockey.  I guess if it's THAT bad its a possibility...

I am wondering if they just think its a way to get out from under their most expensive contract. 

Or something bad happened.  We will see.

It's strange because there are more than a few posters on their board that are applauding this move, saying it was time for him to go. Not sure what they were/are expecting from that program.
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« Reply #399 on: May 17, 2020, 07:29:06 PM »
It's strange because there are more than a few posters on their board that are applauding this move, saying it was time for him to go. Not sure what they were/are expecting from that program.

Or who they’re going to get for that salary.
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