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Re: 2020 Coaching Carousel
« Reply #225 on: April 07, 2020, 08:15:25 AM »
The University of Texas' problem is that they have a higher view of themselves than almost everyone outside of Texas has of them.  They're not the epicenter of football.  They aren't a basketball power.

They are reaping what they sowed.  By strong arming themselves in the Big 12 for the sake of more money, they drove away four good schools who had other options and replaced them with schools that were desperate for a P5 lifeline.  So they've weakened the brand of the conference, and themselves in the process.

But do you think they are self-reflective enough to realize this?  Oh no.  They are not.  They will keep doing what they do and get frustrated when the results don't work.
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Re: 2020 Coaching Carousel
« Reply #226 on: April 07, 2020, 09:24:54 AM »
The University of Texas' problem is that they have a higher view of themselves than almost everyone outside of Texas has of them.  They're not the epicenter of football.  They aren't a basketball power.

They are reaping what they sowed.  By strong arming themselves in the Big 12 for the sake of more money, they drove away four good schools who had other options and replaced them with schools that were desperate for a P5 lifeline.  So they've weakened the brand of the conference, and themselves in the process.

But do you think they are self-reflective enough to realize this?  Oh no.  They are not.  They will keep doing what they do and get frustrated when the results don't work.

I like this take.
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Re: 2020 Coaching Carousel
« Reply #227 on: April 07, 2020, 09:38:22 AM »
Yeah. This numbers are pretty shocking. The wbb head coach at Penn State made more than Wojo? That is surprising.

I read it as $3.5M over 5 years not per year.

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Re: 2020 Coaching Carousel
« Reply #228 on: April 09, 2020, 03:10:56 PM »
The University of Texas' problem is that they have a higher view of themselves than almost everyone outside of Texas has of them. 

Notre Dame is altogether humble compared to the Longhorns.

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Re: 2020 Coaching Carousel
« Reply #229 on: April 25, 2020, 09:03:52 AM »
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Wake Forest has parted ways with Danny Manning, sources told @Stadium
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Re: 2020 Coaching Carousel
« Reply #230 on: April 25, 2020, 09:10:13 AM »
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Wake Forest has parted ways with Danny Manning, sources told @Stadium
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Whoa.  That came out of nowhere.
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Re: 2020 Coaching Carousel
« Reply #231 on: April 25, 2020, 09:18:44 AM »

Whoa.  That came out of nowhere.

This is probably why it took this long...who the unnatural carnal knowledge gives a buyout like this??

Jon Rothstein
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Source confirms that Wake Forest has parted ways with Danny Manning.

Manning is owed over $15 million dollars as part of his buyout.
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Re: 2020 Coaching Carousel
« Reply #232 on: April 25, 2020, 09:38:32 AM »
That's a lot to spend to send a guy away. Be interesting to see what their search looks like.

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Re: 2020 Coaching Carousel
« Reply #233 on: April 25, 2020, 09:47:47 AM »
This is probably why it took this long...who the unnatural carnal knowledge gives a buyout like this??

Jon Rothstein
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Source confirms that Wake Forest has parted ways with Danny Manning.

Manning is owed over $15 million dollars as part of his buyout.

holy smokes!

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« Reply #234 on: April 25, 2020, 10:00:45 AM »
This is probably why it took this long...who the unnatural carnal knowledge gives a buyout like this??

Jon Rothstein
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Source confirms that Wake Forest has parted ways with Danny Manning.

Manning is owed over $15 million dollars as part of his buyout.



Yeah, with Manning's record, he probably would have been gone long ago if it wasn't for that insane buyout.

One winning season in six years; never finished higher than 10th in a 16-team conference; overall record of 78-111 and conference record of 30-80. All for a mere $2M/year.

Makes Dave Leitao look like a bargain....


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« Reply #235 on: April 25, 2020, 10:17:26 AM »
Jeff Goodman
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Wake Forest has parted ways with Danny Manning, sources told @Stadium
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Damnit! Wojo back to Carolina

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Re: 2020 Coaching Carousel
« Reply #236 on: April 25, 2020, 10:23:35 AM »
That's a lot to spend to send a guy away. Be interesting to see what their search looks like.

I think the answer is in here...

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Wake Forest just hired a search firm. Wes Miller’s parents are trustees at Wake and his dad’s name is on the practice facility. Ryan Odom’s dad coached Wake.
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Re: 2020 Coaching Carousel
« Reply #237 on: April 25, 2020, 10:34:08 AM »
That's a lot to spend to send a guy away. Be interesting to see what their search looks like.


Some early names include:

Wes Miller, at NC Greensboro, Ryan Odom at UMBC, Pat Kelsey at Winthrop, Steve Forbes at East Tennessee St., Earl Grant at College of Charleston, among others.
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Re: 2020 Coaching Carousel
« Reply #238 on: April 25, 2020, 10:37:30 AM »
Odom I could see. Hiring Wes Miller seems like a questionable choice. Would be a poor look when he leaves for a conference rival just up Tobacco Road as soon as Roy retires.

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Re: 2020 Coaching Carousel
« Reply #239 on: April 25, 2020, 10:48:13 AM »
Buyouts = just about meaningless.

If a school wants out badly enough, it will find a way.

And we all know that "just about" can be removed from the equation when it comes to coaches leaving one school for another.

The main concession I'll make to the above is that buyouts aren't meaningless to the coach. Manning is damn happy he'll get $15 million for sitting on his arse. The coach gets the best of both worlds: nearly total free agency on the high end, and protection against his own incompetence on the low end.
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Re: 2020 Coaching Carousel
« Reply #240 on: April 25, 2020, 10:56:21 AM »
I think the answer is in here...

Kevin Sweeney
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Wake Forest just hired a search firm. Wes Miller’s parents are trustees at Wake and his dad’s name is on the practice facility. Ryan Odom’s dad coached Wake.


Looks like he is a former Trustee because he is not currently on their Board list.  Which is good if that's why they want to hire since it lessens the conflicts of interest.  Doesn't eliminate them however.
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Re: 2020 Coaching Carousel
« Reply #241 on: April 25, 2020, 12:49:55 PM »
https://twitter.com/coachingchanges/status/1254099334951571456?s=21

Names for Wake Forest targets & more to come/cross-off as we hear them.
Wes Miller
Steve Forbes
Pat Kelsey
Ryan Odom
Shaka Smart
Steve Wojciechowski
Mark Prosser
LaVall Jordan
Eric Konkol

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« Reply #242 on: April 25, 2020, 01:00:36 PM »
https://twitter.com/coachingchanges/status/1254099334951571456?s=21

Names for Wake Forest targets & more to come/cross-off as we hear them.
Wes Miller
Steve Forbes
Pat Kelsey
Ryan Odom
Shaka Smart
Steve Wojciechowski
Mark Prosser
LaVall Jordan
Eric Konkol

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Kelvin Sampson
John Beilein
Beilein is an interesting possibility.

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« Reply #243 on: April 25, 2020, 01:10:03 PM »
I think the answer is in here...

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Wake Forest just hired a search firm. Wes Miller’s parents are trustees at Wake and his dad’s name is on the practice facility. Ryan Odom’s dad coached Wake.

Search firms are such a waste of money. Look at Todd Turner’s as a perfect example and when they did at Pitt. With all of the high quality candidates in the region it’s a waste of money.

Considering Odom’s success and his dad’s standing at Wake I could see him being the early favorite.
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« Reply #244 on: April 25, 2020, 01:12:41 PM »
Beilein is an interesting possibility.

Doubt they can afford him after paying Manning's insane buyout
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« Reply #245 on: April 25, 2020, 01:18:57 PM »
Doubt they can afford him after paying Manning's insane buyout

Would he command much considering his buyout from Cleveland?
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« Reply #246 on: April 25, 2020, 01:23:01 PM »
Would he command much considering his buyout from Cleveland?

Maybe MU should offer him a volunteer assistant position. “Hey John, you’re getting paid more from Cleveland than Wojo is from us. Want to come give Wojo a hand for free? You don’t really need any more than you already make.”

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« Reply #247 on: April 25, 2020, 01:34:25 PM »
Would he command much considering his buyout from Cleveland?
Don’t know that he got much of a buyout from the cavs as opposed to a probable modest settlement for the 19-20 season.

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« Reply #248 on: April 25, 2020, 01:45:24 PM »
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Wake Forest has parted ways with Danny Manning, sources told @Stadium
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« Reply #249 on: April 25, 2020, 02:12:10 PM »
Search firms are such a waste of money. Look at Todd Turner’s as a perfect example and when they did at Pitt. With all of the high quality candidates in the region it’s a waste of money.

Considering Odom’s success and his dad’s standing at Wake I could see him being the early favorite.


Search firms can be used for much more than the "search" part of the hiring process.  Just because one school f*cked up their search with a firm, doesn't mean they don't add value.
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