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Re: 2020 Coaching Carousel
« Reply #175 on: March 27, 2020, 11:46:28 AM »
Rob Jeter is the new Western Illinois Head coach
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« Reply #176 on: March 27, 2020, 12:00:41 PM »
Rob Jeter is the new Western Illinois Head coach
BBFran can now get his W. Illinois tickets.  ;D
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Re: 2020 Coaching Carousel
« Reply #177 on: March 27, 2020, 01:31:10 PM »
No and Mark Few isn’t either.  You recruit to your strengths.  20+ win seasons (virtually guaranteed with soft schedule), consecutive NCAA appearances (same), strong out of conference schedule (ability to do because conference schedule is poor).

plus, playing in front of a packed house every night (hope and away), being the only show in town, charter flights everywhere, national TV, foreign tours once in your career, and yes, a solid education too.
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Re: 2020 Coaching Carousel
« Reply #178 on: March 30, 2020, 04:14:48 PM »
Saw this on Coaching changes this morning and thought it was worth posting/discussing:

Coaching Changes
@CoachingChanges
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2.2 Trillion Dollar Stimulus Package Filibuster

Schools most unhappy w current production levels + output based on investment/ability to reach expectations

Maryland
UConn
Memphis
OKST
Indiana
Texas
Marquette
Minnesota
VCU
Clemson
Georgetown
DePaul
Xavier
Missouri
SMU
Georgia

Coaching Changes
@CoachingChanges
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8h
Schools who believe they should be
1) competing for national titles every year or so
2) competing to go to the NCAA tournament and win a game or two
3) getting some level of production based on budget spending vs return
4) previous success says it can be done
“Being realistic is the most common path to mediocrity.” Will Smith

We live in a society that rewards mediocrity , I detest mediocrity - David Goggi

I want this quote to serve as a reminder to the vast majority of scoop posters in regards to the MU BB program.

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Re: 2020 Coaching Carousel
« Reply #179 on: March 30, 2020, 04:24:43 PM »
Saw this on Coaching changes this morning and thought it was worth posting/discussing:

Coaching Changes
@CoachingChanges
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8h
2.2 Trillion Dollar Stimulus Package Filibuster

Schools most unhappy w current production levels + output based on investment/ability to reach expectations

Maryland
UConn
Memphis
OKST
Indiana
Texas
Marquette
Minnesota
VCU
Clemson
Georgetown
DePaul
Xavier
Missouri
SMU
Georgia

Coaching Changes
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8h
Schools who believe they should be
1) competing for national titles every year or so
2) competing to go to the NCAA tournament and win a game or two
3) getting some level of production based on budget spending vs return
4) previous success says it can be done


So...even if there is some superstar young coach out there just waiting to be given a chance, what makes you think he would pick MU over I4 or UT? Cuz we've already lost one to I4 and sorta lost another to UT.

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Re: 2020 Coaching Carousel
« Reply #180 on: March 30, 2020, 05:48:28 PM »

So...even if there is some superstar young coach out there just waiting to be given a chance, what makes you think he would pick MU over I4 or UT? Cuz we've already lost one to I4 and sorta lost another to UT.
100% Agree. I don't know why MU is DI hoops. I hope the idiots in charge read your post and wise up. Keep speaking the truth my friend.

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« Reply #181 on: March 30, 2020, 06:07:00 PM »
100% Agree. I don't know why MU is DI hoops. I hope the idiots in charge read your post and wise up. Keep speaking the truth my friend.


Wow - did you see my point as it went sailing over your head?

It had nothing to do with MU not belonging in D1, and everything to do with MU being a school that has had  most of its success lately hiring promising assistants - O’Neill, Crean, Buzz and Wojo. UT and IU, on the other hand, seem to always go for proven head coaches. So putting MU on a list with IU and UT is like putting an apple in a bag of oranges.

We can still do well in D1 - see above. We just start in a different place.

Capiche?

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Re: 2020 Coaching Carousel
« Reply #182 on: March 30, 2020, 06:34:43 PM »
Saw this on Coaching changes this morning and thought it was worth posting/discussing:

Coaching Changes
@CoachingChanges
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8h
2.2 Trillion Dollar Stimulus Package Filibuster

Schools most unhappy w current production levels + output based on investment/ability to reach expectations


8h
Schools who believe they should be
1) competing for national titles every year or so
2) competing to go to the NCAA tournament and win a game or two
3) getting some level of production based on budget spending vs return
4) previous success says it can be done

This is an interesting list. Are we talking institutions or fans?  My guess is many institutions and their administrations do not feel the same way as a twitter page. Looking at each objectively:

Maryland - won the Big Ten, top 10 this past year. Probably just fine.
UConn - second year, basically rebuilding under sanctions. Actually overachieving and will jump this year
Memphis - probably overachieved this year consideration the roster issues but the administration should be nervous about long term success
OKST - definitely
Indiana - 50/50. IU fans are among the most unrealistic but yeah, I can see some questions about Archie moving forward
Texas - Yes. Hasn't lived up to expectations.
Marquette - Doing what the administration wants but the meltdowns the last two years are a serious cause for concern
Minnesota - Bringing Little Ricky back makes me wonder if they actually care about basketball
VCU - yes.
Clemson - Dabo! Look at Trevor Lawrence's hair. When does spring football start?
Georgetown - only the second year
DePaul - Remember when Mark Aguirre and Rod Strickland played here? How about Dallas Comegys.
Xavier - only the second year for Steele
Missouri - Kim Anderson really hurt that program but Cuonzo he has underachieved after the Porter experiment blew up.
SMU - Do they care enough.  They were garbage since John Koncak left and are lucky Brown didn't put them on probation. 19 wins this past season is great for them
Georgia - only TC's second year. What are we going to be ranked for football?
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Re: 2020 Coaching Carousel
« Reply #183 on: March 30, 2020, 08:58:18 PM »
How/Why did this become another debate Wojo thread? There are 50 other threads to make the same arguments over and over.

Anyhow, Billy Gillespie is back in D-1.

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/28973220/billy-gillispie-hired-head-coach-division-bound-tarleton-state

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Re: 2020 Coaching Carousel
« Reply #184 on: March 30, 2020, 09:05:27 PM »
BBFran can now get his W. Illinois tickets.  ;D

Is Pearl Kiley still his ticket broker?   :o :o :o
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Re: 2020 Coaching Carousel
« Reply #185 on: March 30, 2020, 09:48:34 PM »
Georgetown - only the second year

The second year of what? Ewing is 49-46 over three years.

Three statistics that aren't encouraging:

1. Georgetown has opened in the Wednesday round of the Big East tournament in five of the last seven years.

2. In the last five years, eight of 10 Big East schools have made the NCAA's at least once. The two that have not are Georgetown and DePaul.

3. Georgetown has won a total of two (2) NCAA tournament games since 2008.



 

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Re: 2020 Coaching Carousel
« Reply #186 on: March 31, 2020, 07:56:28 AM »
The second year of what? Ewing is 49-46 over three years.

Three statistics that aren't encouraging:

1. Georgetown has opened in the Wednesday round of the Big East tournament in five of the last seven years.

2. In the last five years, eight of 10 Big East schools have made the NCAA's at least once. The two that have not are Georgetown and DePaul.

3. Georgetown has won a total of two (2) NCAA tournament games since 2008.



So the problem is deeper than just Ewing.
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« Reply #187 on: March 31, 2020, 10:16:44 AM »

Wow - did you see my point as it went sailing over your head?

It had nothing to do with MU not belonging in D1, and everything to do with MU being a school that has had  most of its success lately hiring promising assistants - O’Neill, Crean, Buzz and Wojo. UT and IU, on the other hand, seem to always go for proven head coaches. So putting MU on a list with IU and UT is like putting an apple in a bag of oranges.

We can still do well in D1 - see above. We just start in a different place.

Capiche?
Okay, but what was your point? The post you responded to was about MU not getting good results from their current coach. You made it sound like we should just be happy with Wojo because MU can't compete for good young coaches. That is ridiculous. Many or most good young coaches are assistants or head coaches at mid-majors. MU will have no problem getting those candidates.

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« Reply #188 on: March 31, 2020, 07:18:59 PM »
Saw this on Coaching changes this morning and thought it was worth posting/discussing:

Coaching Changes
@CoachingChanges
·
8h
2.2 Trillion Dollar Stimulus Package Filibuster

Schools most unhappy w current production levels + output based on investment/ability to reach expectations

Maryland
UConn
Memphis
OKST
Indiana
Texas
Marquette
Minnesota
VCU
Clemson
Georgetown
DePaul
Xavier
Missouri
SMU
Georgia

Coaching Changes
@CoachingChanges
·
8h
Schools who believe they should be
1) competing for national titles every year or so
2) competing to go to the NCAA tournament and win a game or two
3) getting some level of production based on budget spending vs return
4) previous success says it can be done

It’s an understatement to say those guys do not like Wojo.

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« Reply #189 on: April 01, 2020, 03:16:51 PM »
Bryce Drew adds Ed Schilling, Jamall Walker, Casey Shaw to his Grand Canyon staff.

Interesting Jamall Walker leaving Illinois.

I added Stan’s new LMU staff to the Stan thread the other day

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« Reply #190 on: April 01, 2020, 07:55:34 PM »
[quote author=GooooMarquette link=topic=60169.msg1228120#msg1228120 date=

It had nothing to do with MU not belonging in D1, and everything to do with MU being a school that has had  most of its success lately hiring promising assistants - O’Neill, Crean, Buzz and Wojo. UT and IU, on the other hand, seem to always go for proven head coaches. So putting MU on a list with IU and UT is like putting an apple in a bag of oranges.

Capiche?
[/quote]

And we just let Stan Johnson walk out the door. Frustrating. Wish MU gave him the keys.
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« Reply #191 on: April 02, 2020, 03:18:58 AM »
No school would have given Stan the keys in a similar situation.

Just a Cult of Stan fever dream.
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« Reply #192 on: April 02, 2020, 09:37:20 AM »
No school would have given Stan the keys in a similar situation.

Just a Cult of Stan fever dream.

Like the "back-up QB is best player on the team" dream in football.

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« Reply #193 on: April 02, 2020, 01:27:38 PM »
Rothstein: DePaul's Dave Leitao has received a contract extension through the 2023-24 season, per release.

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« Reply #194 on: April 02, 2020, 01:47:45 PM »
Rothstein: DePaul's Dave Leitao has received a contract extension through the 2023-24 season, per release.

DePaul, like many schools, simply was not going to make a big coaching change during a global pandemic.  It's no coincidence that Leitao's extension last four years; it's the same MU continues to make.  It allows the coaching staff to assure, on the surface, that they will be here all four years to prospective recruits. 

The more telling aspect would be what the buyout figures are, if any.  It's not like Leitao had much leverage (no major, high-major program was going to give him a head coaching job, and not many jobs are even open at this point anyway). 

Regardless, until JLP is sent far away from DePaul, their men's basketball program isn't improving.  It is still shameful that we managed to lose that game to them on 3/3.  DePaul should be an easy two wins every year; the fact we continue to lose to them is a huge hurdle we need to overcome. 

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« Reply #195 on: April 02, 2020, 04:24:52 PM »
Rothstein: DePaul's Dave Leitao has received a contract extension through the 2023-24 season, per release.

Finally getting NCAA sanctions proved to DePaul that Leitao really cared about winning.
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« Reply #196 on: April 02, 2020, 04:26:15 PM »
No school would have given Stan the keys in a similar situation.

Just a Cult of Stan fever dream.

This is called a Stan stan.
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« Reply #197 on: April 04, 2020, 11:04:51 PM »
Interesting doings in Texas.

Women's coach Karen Aston was fired despite having a sterling record at the school. Her team was about to make the NCAA tournament for the 7th straight season. In 4 of those in a row (2015-18), they went S16, E8, S16, S16. Starting with her second season there, they never finished worse than 9-9 in the B12, and never finished worse than 3rd. They had three straight seasons of 15-3 in which they finished 2nd, most recently just two years ago. Career record was 184-83 (.689) overall and 93-51 (.646) in the conference.

Meanwhile, Shaka Smart just wrapped up his 5th season at the school with a career record at Texas of 90-78 (.536) overall and 40-50 (.444) in the conference. After making it to the NCAAs his first year with a team filled with his predecessor's players, he was about to miss it for the 3rd time in 4 years, without a winning conference record in any of those seasons. He has yet to win an NCAA tourney game in 5 years at Texas despite arriving as the most-hyped candidate available. Attendance has been poor.

Smart's team actually came back from the dead late this past season, winning 5 straight games to get on the bubble. But then they finished the regular season with an inexplicable 22-point home loss to another bubble team, Oklahoma.

The Texas AD said last week that he was sticking with Smart, who has 3 years and $10.5 million left on his contract. However, the AD acknowledged “angst around our basketball program," and didn't seem ready to extend Smart's contract. Texas insiders speculated that if they fired Smart, the replacement coach likely would have to be paid at least $1 million to $2 million more annually.

Aston's $800K per year contract was allowed to expire.
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« Reply #198 on: April 04, 2020, 11:18:11 PM »
This is the dilemma around wojo...

Like Shaka.. do you pay more for a proven peer?

Do you get a good outside assistant  and lose the recruits...

Or continue to roll the dice with wojo...

Status quo is easiest especially if reason for optimism


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« Reply #199 on: April 05, 2020, 12:29:29 AM »
Interesting doings in Texas.

Women's coach Karen Aston was fired despite having a sterling record at the school. Her team was about to make the NCAA tournament for the 7th straight season. In 4 of those in a row (2015-18), they went S16, E8, S16, S16. Starting with her second season there, they never finished worse than 9-9 in the B12, and never finished worse than 3rd. They had three straight seasons of 15-3 in which they finished 2nd, most recently just two years ago. Career record was 184-83 (.689) overall and 93-51 (.646) in the conference.

Meanwhile, Shaka Smart just wrapped up his 5th season at the school with a career record at Texas of 90-78 (.536) overall and 40-50 (.444) in the conference. After making it to the NCAAs his first year with a team filled with his predecessor's players, he was about to miss it for the 3rd time in 4 years, without a winning conference record in any of those seasons. He has yet to win an NCAA tourney game in 5 years at Texas despite arriving as the most-hyped candidate available. Attendance has been poor.

Smart's team actually came back from the dead late this past season, winning 5 straight games to get on the bubble. But then they finished the regular season with an inexplicable 22-point home loss to another bubble team, Oklahoma.

The Texas AD said last week that he was sticking with Smart, who has 3 years and $10.5 million left on his contract. However, the AD acknowledged “angst around our basketball program," and didn't seem ready to extend Smart's contract. Texas insiders speculated that if they fired Smart, the replacement coach likely would have to be paid at least $1 million to $2 million more annually.

Aston's $800K per year contract was allowed to expire.

I'm glad you brought this here MU82, I saw this the other night..Yes, it's women's basketball, but the first thing I thought of was hoping TAMU would see this because he always says "no school fires a Coach coming off an NCAA bid etc"(let alone one with her resume)..well...they do.
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