2020 Coaching Carousel

[JWags85]

I think Moser's resume is better, you think Wardle's is better (neither are great), so it's a subjective pissing match at this point, why go any further?

Cause it's not subjective. Brew and I have both given valid statistical reasons why Wardle's accomplishments are superior and you've not matched it with anything other than "I think" or "I feel". I haven't presented anything subjective, no eye test, no "I feel".

But whatever, but maybe someone with your vision hires him next year after he goes 10-8 in conference and misses the NCAA again

[Juan Anderson's Mixtape]

I think Linc darner up at uwgb was a D2 head coach prior to taking the uwgb job.

Yes.  They almost hired Greg Gard but due to job posting time requirements, Darner had a chance to apply and UWGB went with him instead.

[LAZER]

Cause it's not subjective. Brew and I have both given valid statistical reasons why Wardle's accomplishments are superior and you've not matched it with anything other than "I think" or "I feel". I haven't presented anything subjective, no eye test, no "I feel".

But whatever, but maybe someone with your vision hires him next year after he goes 10-8 in conference and misses the NCAA again

If you prefer Wardle to Moser and think he's a better candidate than Moser, that's fine. But I'm having trouble seeing his resume as definitively better than Moser's.

Moser
Record: 257–232 (.526)
MVC Record: 162–135 (.545)   
MVC Record '15-'19: 55-35 (.611)
Conference Championships: 2
Conference Tourneys: 1
4–1 (NCAA)
0–1 (NIT)
4–0 (CBI)

Wardle
176–151 (.538)
MVC Record: 39–51 (.433)
Conference Championships: 1 (Horizon)
Conference Tourneys: 2
NCAA: 0–1
NIT: 0–2
CIT: 0–1

[asdfasdf]

If you prefer Wardle to Moser and think he's a better candidate than Moser, that's fine. But I'm having trouble seeing his resume as definitively better than Moser's.

Moser
Record: 257–232 (.526)
MVC Record: 162–135 (.545)   
MVC Record '15-'19: 55-35 (.611)
Conference Championships: 2
Conference Tourneys: 1
4–1 (NCAA)
0–1 (NIT)
4–0 (CBI)

Wardle
176–151 (.538)
MVC Record: 39–51 (.433)
Conference Championships: 1 (Horizon)
Conference Tourneys: 2
NCAA: 0–1
NIT: 0–2
CIT: 0–1

I think you should take into account that '15-'19 includes Wardle's first 5 seasons at Bradley, while '15-'19 excludes Moser's first 4 seasons at Loyola. 

Yes, Moser made the Final Four in year 7, but he didn't make an NCAA tournament at Loyola in any seasons prior to that. I'm not implying that Wardle will make the Final Four in his 7th year at Bradley, but he has already out performed what Moser accomplished in his first 5 years at Loyola.

[Frenns Liquor Depot]

Yes, Moser made the Final Four in year 7, but he didn't make an NCAA tournament at Loyola in any seasons prior to that. I'm not implying that Wardle will make the Final Four in his 7th year at Bradley, but he has already out performed what Moser accomplished in his first 5 years at Loyola.

I thought the first 5 (or 6) years no matta.

[asdfasdf]

I thought the first 5 (or 6) years no matta.

I don't think my previous post implies that the previous 5 or 6 years don't matter. It points out that Wardle's first 5 years at Bradley are better than Moser's first 5 years at Loyola.

If you're making this about Wojo... I would also argue that Wojo's first 5 years at Marquette are better than Moser's first 5 years at Loyola. Wojo vs. Wardle is a more complicated. Personally, I would rank Wojo higher than Wardle.

[LAZER]

I think you should take into account that '15-'19 includes Wardle's first 5 seasons at Bradley, while '15-'19 excludes Moser's first 4 seasons at Loyola. 

Yes, Moser made the Final Four in year 7, but he didn't make an NCAA tournament at Loyola in any seasons prior to that. I'm not implying that Wardle will make the Final Four in his 7th year at Bradley, but he has already out performed what Moser accomplished in his first 5 years at Loyola.

Again, I've got no issue if people here think that Wardle has more upside and is a better candidate than Moser.  I think stating that Wardle's resume is objectively better than Moser's, doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

[Jockey]

Maybe we could sucker Wisconsin into a Wojo for Gard trade.

[GoldenDieners32]

I remember when people didn't want Cronin... Pac12 COY

[BM1090]

I remember when people didn't want Cronin... Pac12 COY

Never really understood the hate for Cronin as a coach. He has struggled in March but he's won pretty consistently. Good coach.

[GoldenDieners32]

Never really understood the hate for Cronin as a coach. He has struggled in March but he's won pretty consistently. Good coach.

Started off 8-9 and looking like they could be in the tourney

[GooooMarquette]

If people are serious about Moser or Wardle as the next MU head coach (and think either is better than Wojo), I'm glad as hell they aren't on the BOT.

[WarriorDad]

Maybe we could sucker Wisconsin into a Wojo for Gard trade.

Did you not read the analysis of Scoopers on Gard for much of the season?  He stinks according to our members here.  This is why analysis here on Coach Wojo is taken with a grain of salt because our eye for coaching talent here is suspect at best.

[wadesworld]

Did you not read the analysis of Scoopers on Gard for much of the season?  He stinks according to our members here.  This is why analysis here on Coach Wojo is taken with a grain of salt because our eye for coaching talent here is suspect at best.

I'm perfectly fine with Gard being the coach at UW.  He'll coach a system that will get him enough regular season wins to always make the field but never have the talent to make a true run at a title.  If the Tournament is played this year, I'd be more surprised by a S16 run by them than I would by a first round upset of them.

[1SE]

Coaching carousel will be inyerefti g this year - who gets fired for an "incomplete"?

[TedBaxter]

How much money did the Big East schools lose with the NCAA and Big East tournaments being cancelled?  I'm not sure if there will be many firings based on this economic downturn.

[Eldon]

How much money did the Big East schools lose with the NCAA and Big East tournaments being cancelled?  I'm not sure if there will be many firings based on this economic downturn.

Au contraire.

This is when you fire your least productive workers. Corona gives you the needed cover.

[Gato78]

How much money did the Big East schools lose with the NCAA and Big East tournaments being cancelled?  I'm not sure if there will be many firings based on this economic downturn.

I am curious about business interruption insurance and the role it may have played in these decisions. Did insurance companies decide they would rather pay to can the events rather than risk claims and lawsuits from those who were infected? Even the possibility of suit by states' attorneys general whose states incurred big costs? All that was needed was one guy like the lawyer in New Rochelle who was responsible for quarantine of an entire city. Huge risks that were better managed by paying business interruption claims?

[WhiteTrash]

I am curious about business interruption insurance and the role it may have played in these decisions. Did insurance companies decide they would rather pay to can the events rather than risk claims and lawsuits from those who were infected? Even the possibility of suit by states' attorneys general whose states incurred big costs? All that was needed was one guy like the lawyer in New Rochelle who was responsible for quarantine of an entire city. Huge risks that were better managed by paying business interruption claims?

I believe I heard the NCAA does not have insurance for this. Not surprising, very hard to underwrite and not prudent use of money.  I don't blame them for going without, even if they could find someone write a policy

[5DollarPitcher]

I'm perfectly fine with Gard being the coach at UW.  He'll coach a system that will get him enough regular season wins to always make the field but never have the talent to make a true run at a title.  If the Tournament is played this year, I'd be more surprised by a S16 run by them than I would by a first round upset of them.

Should this be in teal?  Sounds like you just described Wojo.  Except Gard actually just won a conference title.

[BM1090]

Should this be in teal?  Sounds like you just described Wojo.  Except Gard actually just won a conference title.

I think Gard has a higher floor for sure. Lower ceiling because he won't attract elite talent. Not certain Wojo will, but he's got a better shot.

Overall I do think their similar with Wojo being a better recruiter and Gard a better coach.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Baby Pitino is supposedly returning to to Minnesota next season. That was the only possible opening that I thought Wojo leaving/getting hired for was even probable. Brownell supposedly safe for another year at Clemson. Rumors seem to be that Manning's buyout is too large for Wake to fire him. Shaka looks like he is going to survive. Coronavirus likely delays NBA hiring any college coaches away. Not hearing about any major impending retirements. NCAA doesn't seem close to punishing the Sean Millers or Bill Selfs of the world.

Looks like we are in for a very mild carousel this year.

[bilsu]

Honest question and I know we are all upset tonight, but would other coaches shy away from the Marquette job if Wojo were let go? I mean it would be 3/4 years in the tournament.

Other coaches shy away from MU, because it is hard University to recruit for. Small private non footballs schools are harder jobs than big football schools. This might be the reason we lost Shaka to Texas.
Having a recruit visit on a football weekend is much more exciting than having a recruit visit for Marquette Madness.

[WhiteTrash]

Other coaches shy away from MU, because it is hard University to recruit for. Small private non footballs schools are harder jobs than big football schools. This might be the reason we lost Shaka to Texas.
Having a recruit visit on a football weekend is much more exciting than having a recruit visit for Marquette Madness.

You make some good points but 'coaches shy(ing) away from MU" is relative. MU in terms of DI jobs is extremely attractive. MU with its resources could hire almost any mid-major coach (Gonzaga, WSU, and a few others excluded). MU could hire any P-6 assistant coach. I agree MU would have a hard time hiring a P-6 head coach but so did UCLA and IU and others.

The football angle is interesting and maybe true but I have never heard any coach say that (I could be wrong). I have heard coaches talk about liking being at basketball only schools. IMO, the football money allows those schools to pay very well, which in turn makes them very attractive.

 

[Mr. Sand-Knit]

I'm perfectly fine with Gard being the coach at UW.  He'll coach a system that will get him enough regular season wins to always make the field but never have the talent to make a true run at a title.  If the Tournament is played this year, I'd be more surprised by a S16 run by them than I would by a first round upset of them.

Gard is pretty good at UW for MU.  Tyler Herro's take is the same as that of most potential recruits.  Unless ur Swedish and play in Northern Wisconsin or the sticks of Minnesota the Badgers do not pose much of a recruiting threat towards MU.