Lay Off The Boos

[Galway Eagle]

This isn't really accurate. For the 2-3 anti Wojo obnoxious posters, there are 2-3 insufferable pro Wojo posters.

I don't disagree that there are insufferable pro Wojo posters. Only that from what I've seen the anti wojo ones are going to use hyperbole and ignore trends.

[4everwarriors]

I like booing Floppy McNutpuncher most of all.

Another male genitalia reference? Hoo's offended, hey?

[5DollarPitcher]

If you're going to be reactionary, maybe read what youre reacting to first.

I understand that you prefaced that these were exclusively your expectations.  But you're not alone amongst Projos.  Another toxic symptom of Projos is consistently setting low enough expectations so that he can just barely meet them every year while adding another nothingburger to the legacy of this great basketball school.

By the way, I haven't done any research on this, but do you have anywhere where you quote your exact expectations for the team this season?  I know I do, somewhere deeper in my post history, and we are not on trajectory to meet them.

[Galway Eagle]

On the cusp of what?  We are mathematically eliminated from Big East regular season contention, need to go undefeated for Big East Top 3, need to go further undefeated after that to make a run at the Big East Tourney Title, and we need to potentially beat a 1, 2, or 3 seed to make it to a Sweet Sixteen (after, oh by the way, beating a team close to our line on the s-curve).

What are we on the cusp of again?  More "Wojo success" that's actually nothing tangible?

"If you ain't first you're last"

[5DollarPitcher]

"If you ain't first you're last"

Well more like, Top 3 in the Conference, Top 16 or 32 in the country.... So not exactly.

[Galway Eagle]

Well more like, Top 3 in the Conference, Top 16 or 32 in the country.... So not exactly.

Is that last 32 or top 32? There's a pretty massive difference as upsets happen frequently and currently the main metric has us top 32 but the other hasn't happened yet.

[5DollarPitcher]

Is that last 32 or top 32? There's a pretty massive difference as upsets happen frequently and currently the main metric has us top 32 but the other hasn't happened yet.

Top 32 with no first round choke-job.  Better?

[lurch91]

On the cusp of what?  We are mathematically eliminated from Big East regular season contention, need to go undefeated for Big East Top 3, need to go further undefeated after that to make a run at the Big East Tourney Title, and we need to potentially beat a 1, 2, or 3 seed to make it to a Sweet Sixteen (after, oh by the way, beating a team close to our line on the s-curve).

What are we on the cusp of again?  More "Wojo success" that's actually nothing tangible?

I guess it all comes down to what you define as success.  Most said at the beginning of the season that they wanted success in March.  So, success is an NCAA birth and making it past the first game.

Or, we can always aspire to be DePaul......

[Galway Eagle]

Top 32 with no first round choke-job.  Better?

Yeah that's great. Not worth getting worked up about that potential till the matchup is released now that we're pretty much a lock though. More worth it being stressed about the potential seeding from the remaining games rather than acting as though it's predetermined we'll get bounced. But that's just my opinion.

[real chili 83]

Chili,

Need to get you up to Bristol Bay / Kvichak River for the Sockeye run in Jun/Jul.

Just an amazing fishing experience. Only the sockeye are sharper than some Scoopers.

Might have to do some supply chain recon up there.

[keefe]

Might have to do some supply chain recon up there.

Roger recce flight.

Everyone wants to go after chinooks but I think the best eating are the sockeyes. Beautiful fish.

Having said which, I have had 45-50 lb chinooks make three long runs on me. Magnificent fighting fish.   

[Juan Anderson's Mixtape]

Are we talking about boos or booze?

[Eldon]

"If you ain't first you're last"

"What? Well that's just stupid. Hell, there's second, third, and even fourth."

[keefe]

Another male genitalia reference? Hoo's offended, hey?

It is hateful, eh?

By the way, I was listening to Dire Straits earlier. Tunnel of Love is such a classic song. Catchy tune, really.

[JakeBarnes]

I understand that you prefaced that these were exclusively your expectations.  But you're not alone amongst Projos.  Another toxic symptom of Projos is consistently setting low enough expectations so that he can just barely meet them every year while adding another nothingburger to the legacy of this great basketball school.

By the way, I haven't done any research on this, but do you have anywhere where you quote your exact expectations for the team this season?  I know I do, somewhere deeper in my post history, and we are not on trajectory to meet them.

Just a preface: Not really a Projo. Just don't get a lot of the strong disdain for him. I think he could do better with certain on-court coaching, but has shown progress. I am happy he runs a clean program. He seems to genuinely care about his players. And I think that he and the staff do a great job of identifying big talent early and getting those kids to commit to Marquette. I generally think he is trending in the right direction. If that lumps me in with the Projos, I guess I am--just don't confuse it with giving him carte blanche.

I have stated that 10-8 in the Big East was my expectation for a successful year. From a pragmatism perspective, I expected there to be a lot of needed growth on the team to fill the Hauser scoring gap and there might be non-con struggles, but 10-8 would be required for a tourney berth and that the team should gel by that point. I also expected 1 win in the tournament for this to be "progress." I had that as a poll response, and I believe I posted that in the threads post-SPASHEXIT. And to be honest, I thought there was a chance they'd lack identity and be terrible this year as a result of the exits. Although the year is yet to conclude, those projections are attainable. I don't believe that was a "low expectation" given the loss of two major pieces for the team, but our opinions may vary on that.

[cheebs09]

Is some of the frustration that his seat is considered ice cold? That the administration sees the results and are satisfied with what we've gotten so far.

I've seen a number of comments on here that say "complain all you want, but the administration is thrilled with Wojo." I don't know that the students are tied in enough to make that connection, but it is a source of frustration for me.

As a so-sojoer, I'd at least like to know the administration is at least asking some questions.

[5DollarPitcher]

Just a preface: Not really a Projo. Just don't get a lot of the strong disdain for him. I think he could do better with certain on-court coaching, but has shown progress. I am happy he runs a clean program. He seems to genuinely care about his players. And I think that he and the staff do a great job of identifying big talent early and getting those kids to commit to Marquette. I generally think he is trending in the right direction. If that lumps me in with the Projos, I guess I am--just don't confuse it with giving him carte blanche.

I have stated that 10-8 in the Big East was my expectation for a successful year. From a pragmatism perspective, I expected there to be a lot of needed growth on the team to fill the Hauser scoring gap and there might be non-con struggles, but 10-8 would be required for a tourney berth and that the team should gel by that point. I also expected 1 win in the tournament for this to be "progress." I had that as a poll response, and I believe I posted that in the threads post-SPASHEXIT. And to be honest, I thought there was a chance they'd lack identity and be terrible this year as a result of the exits. Although the year is yet to conclude, those projections are attainable. I don't believe that was a "low expectation" given the loss of two major pieces for the team, but our opinions may vary on that.

Based on your post history recently, you're one of the most Projo posters on the board.

Another toxic Projo symptom:  "given the loss of two major pieces", "given that we don't have a ball handling guard on the roster", "given that our guards are under 6ft", "given that we don't have a big man", "given that.."

This is Wojo's roster.  Next year I don't want to hear "given that we have 3 freshmen"...

Maybe Wojo could have earned that excuse with success between Year 1 and Year 6.  But he hasn't.

[JakeBarnes]

Based on your post history recently, you're one of the most Projo posters on the board.

Another toxic Projo symptom:  "given the loss of two major pieces", "given that we don't have a ball handling guard on the roster", "given that our guards are under 6ft", "given that we don't have a big man", "given that.."

This is Wojo's roster.  Next year I don't want to hear "given that we have 3 freshmen"...

Maybe Wojo could have earned that excuse with success between Year 1 and Year 6.  But he hasn't.

You must be a lot of fun at parties.  You really like comporting your own conclusions as truth and attacking if people have a differing opinon. I've tried to be patient and actually engage in a conversation to see if there was common ground, but it's clear you have no interest on that.  You asked for why I made the projection I did at the beginning of the year. When I replied, you call what I say "toxic Projoism."

I'm done listening to your drivel. I hope for your sake and the sake of those around you that in the future you stop living in absolutes.

[Galway Eagle]

You must be a lot of fun at parties.  You really like comporting your own conclusions as truth and attacking if people have a differing opinon. I've tried to be patient and actually engage in a conversation to see if there was common ground, but it's clear you have no interest on that.  You asked for why I made the projection I did at the beginning of the year. When I replied, you call what I say "toxic Projoism."

I'm done listening to your drivel. I hope for your sake and the sake of those around you that in the future you stop living in absolutes.

"Only a sith deals in absolutes"

[Marcus92]

"If you ain't first you're last"

This reminds me of two other quotes about winning, both of which I have issues with.

The first: "Winning isn't everything. It's the only thing." It's widely attributed to Vince Lombardi, but actually comes from UCLA football coach Red Sanders in 1950. While Lombardi used it later, he said he was widely misquoted -- meaning to say "Winning isn't everything. The will to win is the only thing." Big difference.

The second: "You don't win silver, you lose gold." Nike introduced this slogan during the Atlanta Olympics in 1996 — offending hundreds of American athletes (including many that Nike sponsored) who proudly earned bronze and silver medals while representing their country in international competition.

I think Lombardi had it right. Everyone should want to win. And success at the highest level should be recognized. But just because only one program can take home a national championship, it doesn't mean that all the dedication and hard work of the other 352 Division I schools is meaningless.

[warriorchick]

This reminds me of two other quotes about winning, both of which I have issues with.

The first: "Winning isn't everything. It's the only thing." It's widely attributed to Vince Lombardi, but actually comes from UCLA football coach Red Sanders in 1950. While Lombardi used it later, he said he was widely misquoted -- meaning to say "Winning isn't everything. The will to win is the only thing." Big difference.

The second: "You don't win silver, you lose gold." Nike introduced this slogan during the Atlanta Olympics in 1996 — offending hundreds of American athletes (including many that Nike sponsored) who proudly earned bronze and silver medals while representing their country in international competition.

I think Lombardi had it right. Everyone should want to win. And success at the highest level should be recognized. But just because only one program can take home a national championship, it doesn't mean that all the dedication and hard work of the other 352 Division I schools is meaningless.

It's been said that the bronze medal winners tend to be happier than the silver medal winners. The bronze winners are all "Awesome! I won a medal!" while the silver winners think, "Dammit! I could have gotten gold!"

[wadesworld]

Anybody else find it funny and ironic that a guy who wanted to trade places with DePaul is crying about ProJos having too low of expectations for MU basketball?

[Johnny B]

Anybody else find it funny and ironic that a guy who wanted to trade places with DePaul is crying about ProJos having too low of expectations for MU basketball?

Hes an idiot not worth taking seriously so

[The Lens]

Is some of the frustration that his seat is considered ice cold? That the administration sees the results and are satisfied with what we've gotten so far.

I've seen a number of comments on here that say "complain all you want, but the administration is thrilled with Wojo." I don't know that the students are tied in enough to make that connection, but it is a source of frustration for me.

As a so-sojoer, I'd at least like to know the administration is at least asking some questions.

+1

[muguru]

+1

Also +1...My problem isn't necessarily Wojo, persay...it's more so that he seems bullet proof from this current administration barring something scandalous. I've said it before, It's my feeling that this admin doesn't care nearly as much about on court results as the Father Wild-Cords admin did.

Speaking of which, I'd be really curious to know how Cords would view Wojo if he were still the AD?? Something tells me that even though he may not get fired, with Cords his seat would have at least been warm after last year's collapse.