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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: 21rooster on February 27, 2020, 11:48:16 AM
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I buried this in another thread before last night's game, but after last night, it apparently needs its own thread. Last time it was a generic appeal of the student section. Today I'll make it more specific: To the boys in section 103 wearing the Maine South HS gear and anyone that decided to join in, stay home on Saturday if you're going to boo any part of the team - coaches or players. The student section was pretty empty last night, but I'd rather see holes in the student section than hear boos from across the arena.
In the other thread, I mentioned that a highly-rated recruit will be there on Saturday. To be clear, there was at least one known recruit in the house last night, and he was certainly close enough to section 103 to hear the boos. Again - the administration isn't going to make a coaching change based on boos from a small group of kids, particularly with the team basically locking up a tourney berth by handily avoiding a bad loss last night. But a 16- to 18-year-old kid will let that factor into his decision, either questioning the coach's future or asking whether he wants to play in front of a student section that boos its own 18-9 team. Regardless of how you feel about the coaching staff, there is no upside, only downside.
I'll appeal on another level for Saturday. Saturday is the final home game for Howard, Anim and Johnson. Each of these kids have made a special contribution to MU in their own way, and the team wouldn't be in line for an NCAA tourney bid without them. These kids have remained loyal to Wojo and his assistants, and the coaches have played an important role their lives over the last few years. I would imagine that they may talk about him being like a father to them when they make their senior day remarks. If you boo the coaches on Saturday, you are not only undermining the recruiting process, undermining the coaching retention process (because if the team catches fire the first weekend of the tourney, everyone will suddenly be worried about the coaches leaving) and disrespecting the coaches. You will also be disrespecting the seniors being recognized that day.
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Thank you.
You sure section 103?
That’s not even a student section.
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I am shocked that the bros doing the booing still wear their high school gear.
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Good post.
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Good post. Additionally, there will be a top 30 prospect on an official visit Saturday. Another reason to not boo.
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I doubt college students would rock HS gear. Hopefully they were just some knuckleheads visiting and back in Mom's basement Saturday
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I doubt college students would rock HS gear. Hopefully they were just some knuckleheads visiting and back in Mom's basement Saturday
It's like wearing a Marquette shirt to watch Wes at a Bucks game - since they're repeat offenders, I'd imagine they are students.
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Not that it should be part of his job, but does Wojo make any effort to interact with and build relationships with the students? Crean & Buzz seemed to do a lot more (passing out donuts before the game and thanking students for coming, etc). The students are probably an easy bunch to win over but Wojo seems to not be putting much effort there.
Also, to OPs last point, I agree. If the ball bounces the right way for 48 hours in the 3rd week of March, Wojo will probably be the hottest name on the market.
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I buried this in another thread before last night's game, but after last night, it apparently needs its own thread. Last time it was a generic appeal of the student section. Today I'll make it more specific: To the boys in section 103 wearing the Maine South HS gear and anyone that decided to join in, stay home on Saturday if you're going to boo any part of the team - coaches or players. The student section was pretty empty last night, but I'd rather see holes in the student section than hear boos from across the arena.
In the other thread, I mentioned that a highly-rated recruit will be there on Saturday. To be clear, there was at least one known recruit in the house last night, and he was certainly close enough to section 103 to hear the boos. Again - the administration isn't going to make a coaching change based on boos from a small group of kids, particularly with the team basically locking up a tourney berth by handily avoiding a bad loss last night. But a 16- to 18-year-old kid will let that factor into his decision, either questioning the coach's future or asking whether he wants to play in front of a student section that boos its own 18-9 team. Regardless of how you feel about the coaching staff, there is no upside, only downside.
I'll appeal on another level for Saturday. Saturday is the final home game for Howard, Anim and Johnson. Each of these kids have made a special contribution to MU in their own way, and the team wouldn't be in line for an NCAA tourney bid without them. These kids have remained loyal to Wojo and his assistants, and the coaches have played an important role their lives over the last few years. I would imagine that they may talk about him being like a father to them when they make their senior day remarks. If you boo the coaches on Saturday, you are not only undermining the recruiting process, undermining the coaching retention process (because if the team catches fire the first weekend of the tourney, everyone will suddenly be worried about the coaches leaving) and disrespecting the coaches. You will also be disrespecting the seniors being recognized that day.
Maine South?
That explains a lot.
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Yes he does. He hands out pizza and donuts to the students quite a bit actually.
It’s strange that you ask if Wojo is putting in effort and in the same post state that he doesn’t seem to be putting any effort into it.
How do you know?
And if you know, why did you ask?
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Yes he does. He hands out pizza and donuts to the students quite a bit actually.
It’s strange that you ask if Wojo is putting in effort and in the same post state that he doesn’t seem to be putting any effort into it.
How do you know?
And if you know, why did you ask?
I was just curious as I don’t hear about it all. Maybe more of a case of Crean/Buzz just letting everyone know they were doing it.
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The boos finally showing up shows the general frustration building in the fan base. A coach college or pro making millions is not immune to boos when the performance justifies them.
He’s mike dean with less passion on the court that would have been gone already if not for coach K’s coattails that hes been riding.
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Wrong. Some entitled students.
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Maine South?
That explains a lot.
+1
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The boos finally showing up shows the general frustration building in the fan base. A coach college or pro making millions is not immune to boos when the performance justifies them.
He’s mike dean with less passion on the court that would have been gone already if not for coach K’s coattails that hes been riding.
This guy definitely still wears his HS gear to games.
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Maine South is where Tommy Gardiner attended. The basketball program drove up last night for the game to support Tommy. They have photos from the game on Twitter.
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Anyone thinking they were booing the team, the program and/or Wojo due to results from this year are giving these HS kids too much credit. They were likely booing because they wanted Gardiner in the game (at least that is what I'm guessing).
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Anyone thinking they were booing the team, the program and/or Wojo due to results from this year are giving these HS kids too much credit. They were likely booing because they wanted Gardiner in the game (at least that is what I'm guessing).
Nice try.
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Maine South is where Tommy Gardiner attended. The basketball program drove up last night for the game to support Tommy. They have photos from the game on Twitter.
They were near us in 103. They did not boo. They did lead the Tommy Gardiner chants at the end.
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Anyone thinking they were booing the team, the program and/or Wojo due to results from this year are giving these HS kids too much credit. They were likely booing because they wanted Gardiner in the game (at least that is what I'm guessing).
Exactly. The kids won't be there again on Saturday.
https://twitter.com/MaineSouthHoops/status/1232876830258008065 (https://twitter.com/MaineSouthHoops/status/1232876830258008065)
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The boos finally showing up shows the general frustration building in the fan base. A coach college or pro making millions is not immune to boos when the performance justifies them.
He’s mike dean with less passion on the court that would have been gone already if not for coach K’s coattails that hes been riding.
You are truly an idiot. There is no sugar coating it.
Mike Deane rode Oneils coattails in Hutch, Craw, miller, Amal etc., and in 3-4 years blew his wad.
How is Wojo riding anyones coattails at this point. His stamp on this program is his own at this point. You have made it abundantly clear that 3 ncaas in 4 years and an incoming recruiting class ranked in the top 10 does not meet ur muster. We all get it.
Yet, are u so fin obtuse that u cannot understand the OP and the negativity of the booing? Additionally, you blather on about how Wojo will only win with 5 stars. So wouldnt u support anything the fans can do to help land this 5 star recruit?
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Exactly. The kids won't be there again on Saturday.
https://twitter.com/MaineSouthHoops/status/1232876830258008065 (https://twitter.com/MaineSouthHoops/status/1232876830258008065)
More than just them were booing
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The boos finally showing up shows the general frustration building in the fan base. A coach college or pro making millions is not immune to boos when the performance justifies them.
He’s mike dean with less passion on the court that would have been gone already if not for coach K’s coattails that hes been riding.
As someone who attended Marquette during Mike Deane's tenure I don't know how you can possibly think Wojo is running a similar level program.
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More than just them were booing
Every other thread for the past week has been about booing; this is the dumbest of them all. To put the original poster's fears at ease, the mean high school kids (who may or may not have been booing), won't be back on Saturday.
"Today I'll make it more specific: To the boys in section 103 wearing the Maine South HS gear and anyone that decided to join in, stay home on Saturday if you're going to boo any part of the team - coaches or players."
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As someone who attended Marquette during Mike Deane's tenure I don't know how you can possibly think Wojo is running a similar level program.
Trying to analyze the mind of a complete fin moron? Good luck with that.
I question how successful MDSB in in his own life, my guess is a significant underacheiver
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There was a LOT of booing last night. The fact is the typical fan is not very happy at this point.
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There was a LOT of booing last night. The fact is the typical fan is not very happy at this point.
Look at how booing at the previous games inspired the team to a better performance last night!!! Genius!!! Because they certainly weren't trying before the booing started..... ::)
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The booing is stupid. It only hurts the program with recruiting and retention.
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I'm in 104 and for the first time since the whole people are booing wojo thing started, I could actually hear it during the intros last night.
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Boos can affect different people differently.
Some people go so far as to give up boos completely.
I can't imagine that, but, hey, to each their own.
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I was just curious as I don’t hear about it all. Maybe more of a case of Crean/Buzz just letting everyone know they were doing it.
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Buzz let students flush for him
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F*ck them kids - Michael Jordan
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This plea is falling on deaf ears. The vast majority of Marquette fans, probably *at least* 95%, don’t read Scoop. It seems as though almost no current students are on here. So what’s the point of writing this post, other than to get up on your own moral high horse or think that you’re an important part of the narrative of MU basketball or something? Guess what? You’re not. Nobody on here is. We can talk about Karim Mane and unicorns and crapshoots and “bullshat, bullshat, bullshat” till we’re all blue in the face, and 99.9% of Marquette fans won’t know or care what we’re saying. What’s said on here doesn’t matter and has no impact on Marquette basketball. By making some empty plea for the students not to boo, you’re not helping Wojo land a recruit.
Would I boo Wojo at a game? No, because I’ve never booed my team at any sporting event. But if the guy next to me wants to boo, I’m not going to stop him or call him a moron or try to act like I’m better. He paid for his ticket, and as long as he’s not saying or doing anything actually hateful or harmful to players or others around him, he’s free to do what he likes.
Finally, Wojo’s in year 6 with zero NCAA Tournament wins, no conference championships, and his team has only been ranked for a couple weeks in that entire span. He wasn’t just going to get a free pass from the fan base forever and ever. If he wins a Tournament game this year, it’ll shut a lot of people up. And if he leaves after that tourney win, it won’t be because of the boos. He’ll leave because it’s more money or to get back in the ACC or to be closer to where he’s originally from. Crean and Buzz never got booed and they still left.
It doesn’t matter.
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This plea is falling on deaf ears. The vast majority of Marquette fans, probably *at least* 95%, don’t read Scoop. It seems as though almost no current students are on here. So what’s the point of writing this post, other than to get up on your own moral high horse or think that you’re an important part of the narrative of MU basketball or something? Guess what? You’re not. Nobody on here is. We can talk about Karim Mane and unicorns and crapshoots and “bullshat, bullshat, bullshat” till we’re all blue in the face, and 99.9% of Marquette fans won’t know or care what we’re saying. What’s said on here doesn’t matter and has no impact on Marquette basketball. By making some empty plea for the students not to boo, you’re not helping Wojo land a recruit.
Would I boo Wojo at a game? No, because I’ve never booed my team at any sporting event. But if the guy next to me wants to boo, I’m not going to stop him or call him a moron or try to act like I’m better. He paid for his ticket, and as long as he’s not saying or doing anything actually hateful or harmful to players or others around him, he’s free to do what he likes.
Finally, Wojo’s in year 6 with zero NCAA Tournament wins, no conference championships, and his team has only been ranked for a couple weeks in that entire span. He wasn’t just going to get a free pass from the fan base forever and ever. If he wins a Tournament game this year, it’ll shut a lot of people up. And if he leaves after that tourney win, it won’t be because of the boos. He’ll leave because it’s more money or to get back in the ACC or to be closer to where he’s originally from. Crean and Buzz never got booed and they still left.
It doesn’t matter.
You sound very important.
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This plea is falling on deaf ears. The vast majority of Marquette fans, probably *at least* 95%, don’t read Scoop. It seems as though almost no current students are on here. So what’s the point of writing this post, other than to get up on your own moral high horse or think that you’re an important part of the narrative of MU basketball or something? Guess what? You’re not. Nobody on here is. We can talk about Karim Mane and unicorns and crapshoots and “bullshat, bullshat, bullshat” till we’re all blue in the face, and 99.9% of Marquette fans won’t know or care what we’re saying. What’s said on here doesn’t matter and has no impact on Marquette basketball. By making some empty plea for the students not to boo, you’re not helping Wojo land a recruit.
Would I boo Wojo at a game? No, because I’ve never booed my team at any sporting event. But if the guy next to me wants to boo, I’m not going to stop him or call him a moron or try to act like I’m better. He paid for his ticket, and as long as he’s not saying or doing anything actually hateful or harmful to players or others around him, he’s free to do what he likes.
Finally, Wojo’s in year 6 with zero NCAA Tournament wins, no conference championships, and his team has only been ranked for a couple weeks in that entire span. He wasn’t just going to get a free pass from the fan base forever and ever. If he wins a Tournament game this year, it’ll shut a lot of people up. And if he leaves after that tourney win, it won’t be because of the boos. He’ll leave because it’s more money or to get back in the ACC or to be closer to where he’s originally from. Crean and Buzz never got booed and they still left.
It doesn’t matter.
I highly doubt anything short of a literal, biblical, miracle would earn Wojo a reprieve from the people who hate him. They enjoy being pissed and having a scape goat much more than they enjoy good basketball.
and... very existential. <takes massive bong rip and embraces role of That Guy who's way to into his philosophy minor> We're all stardust? Why do anything, man?
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This plea is falling on deaf ears. The vast majority of Marquette fans, probably *at least* 95%, don’t read Scoop. It seems as though almost no current students are on here. So what’s the point of writing this post, other than to get up on your own moral high horse or think that you’re an important part of the narrative of MU basketball or something? Guess what? You’re not. Nobody on here is. We can talk about Karim Mane and unicorns and crapshoots and “bullshat, bullshat, bullshat” till we’re all blue in the face, and 99.9% of Marquette fans won’t know or care what we’re saying. What’s said on here doesn’t matter and has no impact on Marquette basketball. By making some empty plea for the students not to boo, you’re not helping Wojo land a recruit.
Would I boo Wojo at a game? No, because I’ve never booed my team at any sporting event. But if the guy next to me wants to boo, I’m not going to stop him or call him a moron or try to act like I’m better. He paid for his ticket, and as long as he’s not saying or doing anything actually hateful or harmful to players or others around him, he’s free to do what he likes.
Finally, Wojo’s in year 6 with zero NCAA Tournament wins, no conference championships, and his team has only been ranked for a couple weeks in that entire span. He wasn’t just going to get a free pass from the fan base forever and ever. If he wins a Tournament game this year, it’ll shut a lot of people up. And if he leaves after that tourney win, it won’t be because of the boos. He’ll leave because it’s more money or to get back in the ACC or to be closer to where he’s originally from. Crean and Buzz never got booed and they still left.
It doesn’t matter.
The staff is trying their best to get great players to Marquette. We're succeeding at hosting a ton of 5 star prospects. Booing the coaches during the visit could directly impact their ability to be successful.
Maybe posting here won't do much or anything at all. Maybe it will. The post is harmless.
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This plea is falling on deaf ears. The vast majority of Marquette fans, probably *at least* 95%, don’t read Scoop. It seems as though almost no current students are on here. So what’s the point of writing this post, other than to get up on your own moral high horse or think that you’re an important part of the narrative of MU basketball or something? Guess what? You’re not. Nobody on here is. We can talk about Karim Mane and unicorns and crapshoots and “bullshat, bullshat, bullshat” till we’re all blue in the face, and 99.9% of Marquette fans won’t know or care what we’re saying. What’s said on here doesn’t matter and has no impact on Marquette basketball. By making some empty plea for the students not to boo, you’re not helping Wojo land a recruit.
Would I boo Wojo at a game? No, because I’ve never booed my team at any sporting event. But if the guy next to me wants to boo, I’m not going to stop him or call him a moron or try to act like I’m better. He paid for his ticket, and as long as he’s not saying or doing anything actually hateful or harmful to players or others around him, he’s free to do what he likes.
Finally, Wojo’s in year 6 with zero NCAA Tournament wins, no conference championships, and his team has only been ranked for a couple weeks in that entire span. He wasn’t just going to get a free pass from the fan base forever and ever. If he wins a Tournament game this year, it’ll shut a lot of people up. And if he leaves after that tourney win, it won’t be because of the boos. He’ll leave because it’s more money or to get back in the ACC or to be closer to where he’s originally from. Crean and Buzz never got booed and they still left.
It doesn’t matter.
TIL 17 is "a couple".
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Its not booing, its woooojjjjjjjj.
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This plea is falling on deaf ears. The vast majority of Marquette fans, probably *at least* 95%, don%u2019t read Scoop. It seems as though almost no current students are on here. So what%u2019s the point of writing this post, other than to get up on your own moral high horse or think that you%u2019re an important part of the narrative of MU basketball or something? Guess what? You%u2019re not. Nobody on here is. We can talk about Karim Mane and unicorns and crapshoots and %u201Cbullshat, bullshat, bullshat%u201D till we%u2019re all blue in the face, and 99.9% of Marquette fans won%u2019t know or care what we%u2019re saying. What%u2019s said on here doesn%u2019t matter and has no impact on Marquette basketball. By making some empty plea for the students not to boo, you%u2019re not helping Wojo land a recruit.
Would I boo Wojo at a game? No, because I%u2019ve never booed my team at any sporting event. But if the guy next to me wants to boo, I%u2019m not going to stop him or call him a moron or try to act like I%u2019m better. He paid for his ticket, and as long as he%u2019s not saying or doing anything actually hateful or harmful to players or others around him, he%u2019s free to do what he likes.
Finally, Wojo%u2019s in year 6 with zero NCAA Tournament wins, no conference championships, and his team has only been ranked for a couple weeks in that entire span. He wasn%u2019t just going to get a free pass from the fan base forever and ever. If he wins a Tournament game this year, it%u2019ll shut a lot of people up. And if he leaves after that tourney win, it won%u2019t be because of the boos. He%u2019ll leave because it%u2019s more money or to get back in the ACC or to be closer to where he%u2019s originally from. Crean and Buzz never got booed and they still left.
It doesn%u2019t matter.
I can tell you I have no interest in being on a moral high horse nor being part of a narrative. If so I wouldn%u2019t be posting behind a screen name - I clearly don%u2019t need the rooster to become an icon.
My view is that some of the most agitated fans are also the most passionate fans, whether I agree with them or not. The most passionate fans generally find a place for info and discussion, leading them to message boards. Hence, the best place to advocate against booing is on a message board. Scoop seems to be the board with the most traffic and the best chance of student involvement. I haven%u2019t thrown insults at anyone or even said much on my views of Wojo. I have just given a logical rationale for not booing. It only impacts one additional game, but I think it%u2019s important given recruiting efforts and the potential for a surprising March.
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This plea is falling on deaf ears. The vast majority of Marquette fans, probably *at least* 95%, don’t read Scoop. It seems as though almost no current students are on here. So what’s the point of writing this post, other than to get up on your own moral high horse or think that you’re an important part of the narrative of MU basketball or something? Guess what? You’re not. Nobody on here is. We can talk about Karim Mane and unicorns and crapshoots and “bullshat, bullshat, bullshat” till we’re all blue in the face, and 99.9% of Marquette fans won’t know or care what we’re saying. What’s said on here doesn’t matter and has no impact on Marquette basketball. By making some empty plea for the students not to boo, you’re not helping Wojo land a recruit.
Would I boo Wojo at a game? No, because I’ve never booed my team at any sporting event. But if the guy next to me wants to boo, I’m not going to stop him or call him a moron or try to act like I’m better. He paid for his ticket, and as long as he’s not saying or doing anything actually hateful or harmful to players or others around him, he’s free to do what he likes.
Finally, Wojo’s in year 6 with zero NCAA Tournament wins, no conference championships, and his team has only been ranked for a couple weeks in that entire span. He wasn’t just going to get a free pass from the fan base forever and ever. If he wins a Tournament game this year, it’ll shut a lot of people up. And if he leaves after that tourney win, it won’t be because of the boos. He’ll leave because it’s more money or to get back in the ACC or to be closer to where he’s originally from. Crean and Buzz never got booed and they still left.
It doesn’t matter.
Absolutely agree. Hopefully the other 95% can cheer as wildly as possibly for Wojo n drown it out. My experience is the 95% are indifferent or taking a drink of beer or talking when Wojo is announced while the dumbasses are poised and ready to pounce on their “big moment”. I know i will cheer my loudest Saturday for Wojo and then again when they do the Senior day announcements for our 3 seniors hope orhers will do the same
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I've been hearing booing from the student section since the Villanova game. I doubt anyone that would boo at a game would be on this board, or care even slightly what we think. Unfortunately, until Wojo achieves any success beyond what is expected, he'll just be a scapegoat for those that aspire to higher levels for #MUBB.
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The boos finally showing up shows the general frustration building in the fan base. A coach college or pro making millions is not immune to boos when the performance justifies them.
He’s mike dean with less passion on the court that would have been gone already if not for coach K’s coattails that hes been riding.
Gotta be a troll. You dont boo a team one win off being ranked and a likely 5 or 6 seed you blithering idiot. Doesnt even make sense. How can u not even support them until the year is over. What is this
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The only booing in the building should be at refs and opposing players shooting free throws.
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There's a couple of rules about booing that one must keep in mind:
1) On senior day, you come out and show pride for the guys who made it through four years. Markus and Sacar in particular should have a special place in the program. Sacar has over-achieved this year and Markus has in many ways put us on the map of visibility. They deserve our respect and, heck, they've earned it.
2) It's OK to boo inconsistency and sloppiness. I myself have been known to yell words of discouragement at poor form (as in, ahh, c'mon Theo, just shoot the damn ball. No dribbling!" or "What the hell, run the offense and stop chucking!") But we have to keep in mind these are 17-22 year old college students and they are, after all, young college students. They're going to make mistakes.
3) Tasteful booing of our opponent is acceptable and encouraged. They are, of course, our adversaries. If they don't expect it, well, I have news..... That said, Jay Wright is a class act. Greg McDermott is a great coach, and Patrick Ewing probably will be a great one.
4) Booing officials is like buying a lottery ticket. It makes you feel good but the chances if it having any effect are so small as to be not measurable. It doesn't mean you don't do it, but you're not going to change anything. If they're incompetent without fan disapproval, then what makes you think loud fan disapproval is going to do anything other than make them more steadfast?
5) There is a special place in hell for anyone who gives aid and comfort to a Badger. I hear that special place is exceptionally warm. You boo the hell out of Badgers.
6) As much as I loathe inconsistency in here, I like Wojo and I want to see him do well. I do hope it's here and that he ultimately becomes the longest tenured and most successful Marquette coach in history.
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Its not booing, its woooojjjjjjjj.
They aren't booing, they're saying "scooooooooooop"
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7) Boo the opposing players when they play dirty and things get chippy. I expect to boo Myles Powell at some point on Saturday. Please join me.
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7) Boo the opposing players when they play dirty and things get chippy. I expect to boo Myles Powell at some point on Saturday. Please join me.
Good point, Mane! Pirates are in town, so save the boos for them!
Like your post, dgies!
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I thought it was clever how our PA announcer introduced Markus to cheers and without taking a breath quickly introduced Wojo and then just as quickly moved on to something else. Left a very brief window for Wojo booing. There were boos (seemed to come from Section 113 from my seat) but there was significantly more applause even if it was leftover Markus applause.
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Its not booing, its woooojjjjjjjj.
This
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Greg McDermott is a scumbag and should be booed constantly.
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I only booed MU once in my life. It was directed at Crean vs North Dakota St.
I haven’t done it since, except of course to the refs and the visiting team (mostly the Badgers).
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Frankly, a confident, capable, self-assured athlete or coach not only accepts but, indeed, craves feedback from an informed, knowledgeable fan base.
Signing a contract or an LOI is akin to picking up the gauntlet.
The admiration and approval of the fan is fine but it is the raw, unvarnished disapprobation which the professional sportsman accepts as a spur to exceptionalism.
I say boo with gusto when the sour odor of deficient performance befouls the air!
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Frankly, a confident, capable, self-assured athlete or coach not only accepts but, indeed, craves feedback from an informed, knowledgeable fan base.
Signing a contract or an LOI is akin to picking up the gauntlet.
The admiration and approval of the fan is fine but it is the raw, unvarnished disapprobation which the professional sportsman accepts as a spur to exceptionalism.
I say boo with gusto when the sour odor of deficient performance befouls the air!
Somebody thinks he’s more important than he is.
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They aren't professionals.
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Frankly, a confident, capable, self-assured athlete or coach not only accepts but, indeed, craves feedback from an informed, knowledgeable fan base.
Signing a contract or an LOI is akin to picking up the gauntlet.
The admiration and approval of the fan is fine but it is the raw, unvarnished disapprobation which the professional sportsman accepts as a spur to exceptionalism.
I say boo with gusto when the sour odor of deficient performance befouls the air!
Fans are dumb. Booing usually shows the knowledge gap. The team is performing well overall this season in context. The entire sport is inconsistent this year, Marquette is no different. Makes the booing even more ridiculous.
Show your disdain by not showing up. But don't confuse ignorance of the sport with some higher level of fandom
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They aren't professionals.
Especially the 16 tear old kid there for a visit. Keefe is a blowhard
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Frankly, a confident, capable, self-assured athlete or coach not only accepts but, indeed, craves feedback from an informed, knowledgeable fan base.
Signing a contract or an LOI is akin to picking up the gauntlet.
The admiration and approval of the fan is fine but it is the raw, unvarnished disapprobation which the professional sportsman accepts as a spur to exceptionalism.
I say boo with gusto when the sour odor of deficient performance befouls the air!
When was the last time you went to a game Keefe?
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Somebody thinks he’s more important than he is.
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They aren't professionals.
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Fans are dumb. Booing usually shows the knowledge gap. The team is performing well overall this season in context. The entire sport is inconsistent this year, Marquette is no different. Makes the booing even more ridiculous.
Show your disdain by not showing up. But don't confuse ignorance of the sport with some higher level of fandom
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Especially the 16 tear old kid there for a visit. Keefe is a blowhard
Sinker
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When was the last time you went to a game Keefe?
Fish on!
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Frankly, a confident, capable, self-assured athlete or coach not only accepts but, indeed, craves feedback from an informed, knowledgeable fan base.
Yeah. But what does that have to do with Marquette?
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Are we talking about boos or booze?
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Fans are dumb. Booing usually shows the knowledge gap. The team is performing well overall this season in context. The entire sport is inconsistent this year, Marquette is no different. Makes the booing even more ridiculous.
Show your disdain by not showing up. But don't confuse ignorance of the sport with some higher level of fandom
Yup, booing should be reserved for bad ref calls, bad behavior/sportsmanship and (very rarely) extremely poor effort.
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Yup, booing should be reserved for bad ref calls, bad behavior/sportsmanship and (very rarely) extremely poor effort.
I don't think I have ever seen poor effort in a college game, just bad execution.
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I don't think I have ever seen poor effort in a college game, just bad execution.
Yup, that's why I said very rarely. Personally, I've only booed refs and poor sportsmanship/behavior and I've been to most MU games over the decades.
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I don't think I have ever seen poor effort in a college game, just bad execution.
I've seen poor effort in a college basketball game no doubt. Not for an entire game, but at times.
Not sure I can remember a time I've booed any person involved with the team I consider myself a fan of.
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I’m sure this thread is going to convince a bunch of 19-year-olds to change their conduct. Who cares if some bros boo? Is this something that matters? If it actually affects the decision-making of professional coaches and high-level athletes, the boo bros aren’t the problem to pay attention to.
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Fans are dumb. Booing usually shows the knowledge gap.
My favorite ProJo narrative is that somehow they're inherently smarter than NoJos.
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My favorite ProJo narrative is that somehow they're inherently smarter than NoJos.
Well, when NoJos make threads about how much they wish Marquette could trade programs with DePaul it isn't very hard to make that narrative work.
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My favorite ProJo narrative is that somehow they're inherently smarter than NoJos.
This isnt a projo argument. It's a "not being a crapty person" argument. Pull your head out of your ass.
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My favorite ProJo narrative is that somehow they're inherently smarter than NoJos.
Click your post history for Exhibit A.
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I like booing Floppy McNutpuncher most of all.
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This isnt a projo argument. It's a "not being a crapty person" argument. Pull your head out of your ass.
Ah so now you're smarter, AND you have the moral high ground.
Well I tip my cap to you, sir Jake.
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Well, when NoJos make threads about how much they wish Marquette could trade programs with DePaul it isn't very hard to make that narrative work.
Where were you for the last 2 games of the three game losing streak? Nice to have you back.
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Ah so now you're smarter, AND you have the moral high ground.
Well I tip my cap to you, sir Jake.
Finally those ethics and philosophy classes are paying off.
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Where were you for the last 2 games of the three game losing streak? Nice to have you back.
Manes posted exactly 30 times between the Creighton loss and the Georgetown win. You're not helping break the "Nojo's aren't smart" stereotype that you claim exists
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Manes posted exactly 30 times between the Creighton loss and the Georgetown win. You're not helping break the "Nojo's aren't smart" stereotype that you claim exists
I quoted him a couple times no responses. Now, unprompted, he quotes me. The big Georgetown victory has him feeling on top of the Projo world.
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I quoted him a couple times no responses. Now, unprompted, he quotes me. The big Georgetown victory has him feeling on top of the Projo world.
Did it ever occur to you that he may have you on "Ignore"?
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Are we talking about boos or booze?
Hahaha!! ;D
To quote Emily Latella, "Oh,..........Never mind."
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I quoted him a couple times no responses. Now, unprompted, he quotes me. The big Georgetown victory has him feeling on top of the Projo world.
I mean when you essentially post on the internet "People say I'm not smart and I don't like it" you're kind of setting it on a tee there, no?
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I mean when you essentially post on the internet "People say I'm not smart and I don't like it" you're kind of setting it on a tee there, no?
Is that what I said? Is that even similar to what I said?? My post was to call into question the unfounded condescension shown by Projos - especially after huge victories over **checks notes** 15-13 Georgetown.
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Is that what I said? Is that even similar to what I said?? My post was to call into question the unfounded condescension shown by Projos - especially after huge victories over **checks notes** 15-13 Georgetown.
Thank you for your service
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My favorite ProJo narrative is that somehow they're inherently smarter than NoJos.
More patient, follow the stats better and a bit more grounded than reactionary.
Not inherently smarter though.
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More patient, follow the stats better and a bit more grounded than reactionary.
Not inherently smarter though.
1. Yes
2. Opinion
3. Same as 1
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I mean when you essentially post on the internet "People say I'm not smart and I don't like it" you're kind of setting it on a tee there, no?
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Where were you for the last 2 games of the three game losing streak? Nice to have you back.
Lol. What are you talking about? I've posted after every game this year.
I quoted him a couple times no responses. Now, unprompted, he quotes me. The big Georgetown victory has him feeling on top of the Projo world.
So wait. You tried to claim I was hiding after losses, and follow it up by saying you quoted my posts?
"Jee whizz, how could a ProJo ever act smarter than me?!"
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Fish on!
Chili,
Need to get you up to Bristol Bay / Kvichak River for the Sockeye run in Jun/Jul.
Just an amazing fishing experience. Only the sockeye are sharper than some Scoopers.
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Lol. What are you talking about? I've posted after every game this year.
So wait. You tried to claim I was hiding after losses, and follow it up by saying you quoted my posts?
"Jee whizz, how could a ProJo ever act smarter than me?!"
You're significantly more combative now that we beat Georgetown. That's all I'm getting at. Similar to when you told me "it's been proven" that Wojo is a good coach after we beat Butler and then promptly went on the three game losing streak.
Basketball seasons are up and down. What makes this board such a tug of war is that Wojo teams are typically just about exactly as much "up" as they are "down" in Big East play year-over-year. Mediocrity defined.
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As far as the booing goes...I don't condone it, but as a player/Coach/Administrator, wouldn't you rather have booing, then dead silence, as in no one is there?? To me, at least if you boo it means you care...right??
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I believe this only comes from a pocket of students.
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As far as the booing goes...I don't condone it, but as a player/Coach/Administrator, wouldn't you rather have booing, then dead silence, as in no one is there?? To me, at least if you boo it means you care...right??
No, it means you're a douche
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As far as the booing goes...I don't condone it, but as a player/Coach/Administrator, wouldn't you rather have booing, then dead silence, as in no one is there?? To me, at least if you boo it means you care...right??
Not really. I'd take silence over booing.
Booing creates a bad environment. Creates an expectation that bad things are gonna happen. Makes the team play tighter than they might compared to a hyped up crowd or a silent one, for that matter. Home court is supposed to mean you're not the enemy.
You, of all people, are an embodiment of how badly we all want to see Marquette succeed in the long run. Booing really gains nothing, especially for a team that is busting its a*s to fill the gaps left by people who put personal interests over team. While I can only speak to my expectations, this team is on the cusp of meeting and possibly exceeding the ones I set after the brothers left. Not sure why you boo a team on that cusp--or at all.
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I believe this only comes from a pocket of students.
I agree - I sit in a corner near the band, and at the beginning of the Georgetown game all the boos I could hear were coming from a part of the student section. It was nowhere near a majority of the students, in fact it was clearly a vocal minority. I didn't catch any booing from the general audience outside of the student section, and I was paying attention to it because I was prepared to hear some based on some of you knuckleheads' posts (not you Nielsen).
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1. Yes
2. Opinion
3. Same as 1
It's not really opinion. There's at least two or three anti Wojo posters who refuse to acknowledge stats and stick to eye tests. One who maintains deane was better despite repeatedly being shown otherwise. Not saying it's true of each individual but between both groups the stubborn "I'm right you are wrong" posters tend be anti Wojo guys
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Not really. I'd take silence over booing.
Booing creates a bad environment. Creates an expectation that bad things are gonna happen. Makes the team play tighter than they might compared to a hyped up crowd or a silent one, for that matter. Home court is supposed to mean you're not the enemy.
You, of all people, are an embodiment of how badly we all want to see Marquette succeed in the long run. Booing really gains nothing, especially for a team that is busting its a*s to fill the gaps left by people who put personal interests over team. While I can only speak to my expectations, this team is on the cusp of meeting and possibly exceeding the ones I set after the brothers left. Not sure why you boo a team on that cusp--or at all.
On the cusp of what? We are mathematically eliminated from Big East regular season contention, need to go undefeated for Big East Top 3, need to go further undefeated after that to make a run at the Big East Tourney Title, and we need to potentially beat a 1, 2, or 3 seed to make it to a Sweet Sixteen (after, oh by the way, beating a team close to our line on the s-curve).
What are we on the cusp of again? More "Wojo success" that's actually nothing tangible?
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It's not really opinion. There's at least two or three anti Wojo posters who refuse to acknowledge stats and stick to eye tests. One who maintains deane was better despite repeatedly being shown otherwise. Not saying it's true of each individual but between both groups the stubborn "I'm right you are wrong" posters tend be anti Wojo guys
This isn’t really accurate. For the 2-3 anti Wojo obnoxious posters, there are 2-3 insufferable pro Wojo posters.
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There should be MVP chants for Markus on every free throw attempt tomorrow. And something for Powell on all of his free throws (hopefully not many).
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On the cusp of what? We are mathematically eliminated from Big East regular season contention, need to go undefeated for Big East Top 3, need to go further undefeated after that to make a run at the Big East Tourney Title, and we need to potentially beat a 1, 2, or 3 seed to make it to a Sweet Sixteen (after, oh by the way, beating a team close to our line on the s-curve).
What are we on the cusp of again? More "Wojo success" that's actually nothing tangible?
If you're going to be reactionary, maybe read what youre reacting to first.
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This isn’t really accurate. For the 2-3 anti Wojo obnoxious posters, there are 2-3 insufferable pro Wojo posters.
I don't disagree that there are insufferable pro Wojo posters. Only that from what I've seen the anti wojo ones are going to use hyperbole and ignore trends.
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I like booing Floppy McNutpuncher most of all.
Another male genitalia reference? Hoo's offended, hey?
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If you're going to be reactionary, maybe read what youre reacting to first.
I understand that you prefaced that these were exclusively your expectations. But you're not alone amongst Projos. Another toxic symptom of Projos is consistently setting low enough expectations so that he can just barely meet them every year while adding another nothingburger to the legacy of this great basketball school.
By the way, I haven't done any research on this, but do you have anywhere where you quote your exact expectations for the team this season? I know I do, somewhere deeper in my post history, and we are not on trajectory to meet them.
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On the cusp of what? We are mathematically eliminated from Big East regular season contention, need to go undefeated for Big East Top 3, need to go further undefeated after that to make a run at the Big East Tourney Title, and we need to potentially beat a 1, 2, or 3 seed to make it to a Sweet Sixteen (after, oh by the way, beating a team close to our line on the s-curve).
What are we on the cusp of again? More "Wojo success" that's actually nothing tangible?
"If you ain't first you're last"
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"If you ain't first you're last"
Well more like, Top 3 in the Conference, Top 16 or 32 in the country.... So not exactly.
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Well more like, Top 3 in the Conference, Top 16 or 32 in the country.... So not exactly.
Is that last 32 or top 32? There's a pretty massive difference as upsets happen frequently and currently the main metric has us top 32 but the other hasn't happened yet.
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Is that last 32 or top 32? There's a pretty massive difference as upsets happen frequently and currently the main metric has us top 32 but the other hasn't happened yet.
Top 32 with no first round choke-job. Better?
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On the cusp of what? We are mathematically eliminated from Big East regular season contention, need to go undefeated for Big East Top 3, need to go further undefeated after that to make a run at the Big East Tourney Title, and we need to potentially beat a 1, 2, or 3 seed to make it to a Sweet Sixteen (after, oh by the way, beating a team close to our line on the s-curve).
What are we on the cusp of again? More "Wojo success" that's actually nothing tangible?
I guess it all comes down to what you define as success. Most said at the beginning of the season that they wanted success in March. So, success is an NCAA birth and making it past the first game.
Or, we can always aspire to be DePaul......
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Top 32 with no first round choke-job. Better?
Yeah that's great. Not worth getting worked up about that potential till the matchup is released now that we're pretty much a lock though. More worth it being stressed about the potential seeding from the remaining games rather than acting as though it's predetermined we'll get bounced. But that's just my opinion.
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Chili,
Need to get you up to Bristol Bay / Kvichak River for the Sockeye run in Jun/Jul.
Just an amazing fishing experience. Only the sockeye are sharper than some Scoopers.
Might have to do some supply chain recon up there.
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Might have to do some supply chain recon up there.
Roger recce flight.
Everyone wants to go after chinooks but I think the best eating are the sockeyes. Beautiful fish.
Having said which, I have had 45-50 lb chinooks make three long runs on me. Magnificent fighting fish.
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Are we talking about boos or booze?
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"If you ain't first you're last"
"What? Well that's just stupid. Hell, there's second, third, and even fourth."
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Another male genitalia reference? Hoo's offended, hey?
It is hateful, eh?
By the way, I was listening to Dire Straits earlier. Tunnel of Love is such a classic song. Catchy tune, really.
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I understand that you prefaced that these were exclusively your expectations. But you're not alone amongst Projos. Another toxic symptom of Projos is consistently setting low enough expectations so that he can just barely meet them every year while adding another nothingburger to the legacy of this great basketball school.
By the way, I haven't done any research on this, but do you have anywhere where you quote your exact expectations for the team this season? I know I do, somewhere deeper in my post history, and we are not on trajectory to meet them.
Just a preface: Not really a Projo. Just don't get a lot of the strong disdain for him. I think he could do better with certain on-court coaching, but has shown progress. I am happy he runs a clean program. He seems to genuinely care about his players. And I think that he and the staff do a great job of identifying big talent early and getting those kids to commit to Marquette. I generally think he is trending in the right direction. If that lumps me in with the Projos, I guess I am--just don't confuse it with giving him carte blanche.
I have stated that 10-8 in the Big East was my expectation for a successful year. From a pragmatism perspective, I expected there to be a lot of needed growth on the team to fill the Hauser scoring gap and there might be non-con struggles, but 10-8 would be required for a tourney berth and that the team should gel by that point. I also expected 1 win in the tournament for this to be "progress." I had that as a poll response, and I believe I posted that in the threads post-SPASHEXIT. And to be honest, I thought there was a chance they'd lack identity and be terrible this year as a result of the exits. Although the year is yet to conclude, those projections are attainable. I don't believe that was a "low expectation" given the loss of two major pieces for the team, but our opinions may vary on that.
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Is some of the frustration that his seat is considered ice cold? That the administration sees the results and are satisfied with what we’ve gotten so far.
I’ve seen a number of comments on here that say “complain all you want, but the administration is thrilled with Wojo.” I don’t know that the students are tied in enough to make that connection, but it is a source of frustration for me.
As a so-sojoer, I’d at least like to know the administration is at least asking some questions.
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Just a preface: Not really a Projo. Just don't get a lot of the strong disdain for him. I think he could do better with certain on-court coaching, but has shown progress. I am happy he runs a clean program. He seems to genuinely care about his players. And I think that he and the staff do a great job of identifying big talent early and getting those kids to commit to Marquette. I generally think he is trending in the right direction. If that lumps me in with the Projos, I guess I am--just don't confuse it with giving him carte blanche.
I have stated that 10-8 in the Big East was my expectation for a successful year. From a pragmatism perspective, I expected there to be a lot of needed growth on the team to fill the Hauser scoring gap and there might be non-con struggles, but 10-8 would be required for a tourney berth and that the team should gel by that point. I also expected 1 win in the tournament for this to be "progress." I had that as a poll response, and I believe I posted that in the threads post-SPASHEXIT. And to be honest, I thought there was a chance they'd lack identity and be terrible this year as a result of the exits. Although the year is yet to conclude, those projections are attainable. I don't believe that was a "low expectation" given the loss of two major pieces for the team, but our opinions may vary on that.
Based on your post history recently, you're one of the most Projo posters on the board.
Another toxic Projo symptom: "given the loss of two major pieces", "given that we don't have a ball handling guard on the roster", "given that our guards are under 6ft", "given that we don't have a big man", "given that.."
This is Wojo's roster. Next year I don't want to hear "given that we have 3 freshmen"...
Maybe Wojo could have earned that excuse with success between Year 1 and Year 6. But he hasn't.
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Based on your post history recently, you're one of the most Projo posters on the board.
Another toxic Projo symptom: "given the loss of two major pieces", "given that we don't have a ball handling guard on the roster", "given that our guards are under 6ft", "given that we don't have a big man", "given that.."
This is Wojo's roster. Next year I don't want to hear "given that we have 3 freshmen"...
Maybe Wojo could have earned that excuse with success between Year 1 and Year 6. But he hasn't.
You must be a lot of fun at parties. You really like comporting your own conclusions as truth and attacking if people have a differing opinon. I've tried to be patient and actually engage in a conversation to see if there was common ground, but it's clear you have no interest on that. You asked for why I made the projection I did at the beginning of the year. When I replied, you call what I say "toxic Projoism."
I'm done listening to your drivel. I hope for your sake and the sake of those around you that in the future you stop living in absolutes.
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You must be a lot of fun at parties. You really like comporting your own conclusions as truth and attacking if people have a differing opinon. I've tried to be patient and actually engage in a conversation to see if there was common ground, but it's clear you have no interest on that. You asked for why I made the projection I did at the beginning of the year. When I replied, you call what I say "toxic Projoism."
I'm done listening to your drivel. I hope for your sake and the sake of those around you that in the future you stop living in absolutes.
"Only a sith deals in absolutes"
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"If you ain't first you're last"
This reminds me of two other quotes about winning, both of which I have issues with.
The first: "Winning isn't everything. It's the only thing." It's widely attributed to Vince Lombardi, but actually comes from UCLA football coach Red Sanders in 1950. While Lombardi used it later, he said he was widely misquoted -- meaning to say "Winning isn't everything. The will to win is the only thing." Big difference.
The second: "You don't win silver, you lose gold." Nike introduced this slogan during the Atlanta Olympics in 1996 — offending hundreds of American athletes (including many that Nike sponsored) who proudly earned bronze and silver medals while representing their country in international competition.
I think Lombardi had it right. Everyone should want to win. And success at the highest level should be recognized. But just because only one program can take home a national championship, it doesn't mean that all the dedication and hard work of the other 352 Division I schools is meaningless.
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This reminds me of two other quotes about winning, both of which I have issues with.
The first: "Winning isn't everything. It's the only thing." It's widely attributed to Vince Lombardi, but actually comes from UCLA football coach Red Sanders in 1950. While Lombardi used it later, he said he was widely misquoted -- meaning to say "Winning isn't everything. The will to win is the only thing." Big difference.
The second: "You don't win silver, you lose gold." Nike introduced this slogan during the Atlanta Olympics in 1996 — offending hundreds of American athletes (including many that Nike sponsored) who proudly earned bronze and silver medals while representing their country in international competition.
I think Lombardi had it right. Everyone should want to win. And success at the highest level should be recognized. But just because only one program can take home a national championship, it doesn't mean that all the dedication and hard work of the other 352 Division I schools is meaningless.
It's been said that the bronze medal winners tend to be happier than the silver medal winners. The bronze winners are all "Awesome! I won a medal!" while the silver winners think, "Dammit! I could have gotten gold!"
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Anybody else find it funny and ironic that a guy who wanted to trade places with DePaul is crying about ProJos having too low of expectations for MU basketball?
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Anybody else find it funny and ironic that a guy who wanted to trade places with DePaul is crying about ProJos having too low of expectations for MU basketball?
Hes an idiot not worth taking seriously so
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Is some of the frustration that his seat is considered ice cold? That the administration sees the results and are satisfied with what we’ve gotten so far.
I’ve seen a number of comments on here that say “complain all you want, but the administration is thrilled with Wojo.” I don’t know that the students are tied in enough to make that connection, but it is a source of frustration for me.
As a so-sojoer, I’d at least like to know the administration is at least asking some questions.
+1
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Also +1...My problem isn't necessarily Wojo, persay...it's more so that he seems bullet proof from this current administration barring something scandalous. I've said it before, It's my feeling that this admin doesn't care nearly as much about on court results as the Father Wild-Cords admin did.
Speaking of which, I'd be really curious to know how Cords would view Wojo if he were still the AD?? Something tells me that even though he may not get fired, with Cords his seat would have at least been warm after last year's collapse.
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Wojo isn't bulletproof. But he is bulletproof as long as he continues to make the tournament. Just as any coach at any non-blue blood program would be.
Why anyone thinks a program would even think about firing a coach of a tournament bound team is beyond me.
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Wojo isn't bulletproof. But he is bulletproof as long as he continues to make the tournament. Just as any coach at any non-blue blood program would be.
Why anyone thinks a program would even think about firing a coach of a tournament bound team is beyond me.
Marquette won a title in 1977
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Wojo isn't bulletproof. But he is bulletproof as long as he continues to make the tournament. Just as any coach at any non-blue blood program would be.
Why anyone thinks a program would even think about firing a coach of a tournament bound team is beyond me.
Name this Coach...I Coached at this school for 13 years, compiling an overall record of 278-151(.653) overall, going to 8 NCAA tournaments, winning three league titles, 3 NIT appearances, made a Final four and a sweet 16 during my tenure. Now I did only make the tournament 1 time in my last four years at this school, not making a tournament at all my last two years, before getting fired. It should be noted that in my first 6 years at this school, I made the NCAA's 4 of 6 years(NIT the other two) with a Sweet 16 in my 2nd year, and followed that up with a final four in just my third year at the school.
Typically a Coach with that kind of pedigree can write his own length of time at said school. I could not unfortunately...
Who am I??
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It's been said that the bronze medal winners tend to be happier than the silver medal winners. The bronze winners are all "Awesome! I won a medal!" while the silver winners think, "Dammit! I could have gotten gold!"
I think that also is influenced by many of the sports having a third-place playoff for bronze, so you actually "win" the bronze medal, whereas you have to lose the title game to be awarded the silver.
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Name this Coach...I Coached at this school for 13 years, compiling an overall record of 278-151(.653) overall, going to 8 NCAA tournaments, winning three league titles, 3 NIT appearances, made a Final four and a sweet 16 during my tenure. Now I did only make the tournament 1 time in my last four years at this school, not making a tournament at all my last two years, before getting fired. It should be noted that in my first 6 years at this school, I made the NCAA's 4 of 6 years(NIT the other two) with a Sweet 16 in my 2nd year, and followed that up with a final four in just my third year at the school.
Typically a Coach with that kind of pedigree can write his own length of time at said school. I could not unfortunately...
Who am I??
JTIII...who finished his last 2 seasons 15-18 (7-11, 8th in BE) and 14-18 (5-13, 9th in BE). And didn't make a postseason tournament either year. What does this have to do with TAMU's point?
But playing guess the random coach would probably be more enjoyable than reading some of the stupidity on here. So good job I guess?
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Name this Coach...I Coached at this school for 13 years, compiling an overall record of 278-151(.653) overall, going to 8 NCAA tournaments, winning three league titles, 3 NIT appearances, made a Final four and a sweet 16 during my tenure. Now I did only make the tournament 1 time in my last four years at this school, not making a tournament at all my last two years, before getting fired. It should be noted that in my first 6 years at this school, I made the NCAA's 4 of 6 years(NIT the other two) with a Sweet 16 in my 2nd year, and followed that up with a final four in just my third year at the school.
Typically a Coach with that kind of pedigree can write his own length of time at said school. I could not unfortunately...
Who am I??
You are JT3....who missed the tournament two seasons in a row before being fired.
Did you miss the part about firing a coach of a tournament bound team? Cause that was the whole point of my post.
I can actually think of one modern example of a coach from a non-blue blood getting fired after making the tournament with no off the court issues (IIRC). But it was from a fanbase way more entitled and arrogant than our own, and the coach did take a team that was ranked top 10 in the preseason and finished with one of the last two byes in tournament in his last season.....and that fanbase now greatly regrets the hiring decision they made after him....and the fired coach had some pretty successful seasons at his next stop to boot.
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But playing guess the random coach would probably be more enjoyable than reading some of the stupidity on here. So good job I guess?
I actually had some fun figuring out who it was. Took me a couple of guesses....mainly because I was looking for coaches that got fired immediately after making the tournament
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You are JT3....who missed the tournament two seasons in a row before being fired.
Did you miss the part about firing a coach of a tournament bound team? Cause that was the whole point of my post.
I can actually think of one modern example of a coach from a non-blue blood getting fired after making the tournament with no off the court issues (IIRC). But it was from a fanbase way more entitled and arrogant than our own, and the coach did take a team that was ranked top 10 in the preseason and finished with one of the last two byes in tournament in his last season.....and that fanbase now greatly regrets the hiring decision they made after him....and the fired coach had some pretty successful seasons at his next stop to boot.
Rick Barnes. Made the tournament in 16 of the 17 seasons he was there and they canned him because they were getting sick of the early exits in the tournament. They had a very limited basketball history before him too. Be careful what you wish for.
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Rick Barnes. Made the tournament in 16 of the 17 seasons he was there and they canned him because they were getting sick of the early exits in the tournament. They had a very limited basketball history before him too. Be careful what you wish for.
That's who I thought it was as well
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Name this Coach...I Coached at this school for 13 years, compiling an overall record of 278-151(.653) overall, going to 8 NCAA tournaments, winning three league titles, 3 NIT appearances, made a Final four and a sweet 16 during my tenure. Now I did only make the tournament 1 time in my last four years at this school, not making a tournament at all my last two years, before getting fired. It should be noted that in my first 6 years at this school, I made the NCAA's 4 of 6 years(NIT the other two) with a Sweet 16 in my 2nd year, and followed that up with a final four in just my third year at the school.
Typically a Coach with that kind of pedigree can write his own length of time at said school. I could not unfortunately...
Who am I??
I am a Scooper who responds to this Why anyone thinks a program would even think about firing a coach of a tournament bound team is beyond me. by bringing up a coach whose situation wasn't even close to this.
I am famous for being the most "competitive" Scooper, for seeing things other Scoopers miss, and for forgetting more about basketball than other Scoopers know.
Who am I?
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I am a Scooper who responds to this Why anyone thinks a program would even think about firing a coach of a tournament bound team is beyond me. by bringing up a coach whose situation wasn't even close to this.
I am famous for being the most "competitive" Scooper, for seeing things other Scoopers miss, and for forgetting more about basketball than other Scoopers know.
Who am I?
The Panty Dropper
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I am a Scooper who responds to this Why anyone thinks a program would even think about firing a coach of a tournament bound team is beyond me. by bringing up a coach whose situation wasn't even close to this.
I am famous for being the most "competitive" Scooper, for seeing things other Scoopers miss, and for forgetting more about basketball than other Scoopers know.
Who am I?
But can you dunk?