If Wojo left the program today...

[1SE]

A scandal.  He won't get canned.

If we lose out (which is higely unlikely but if we lose Wednesday becomes much more possible) he needs to be canned immediately. Consecutive late season collapses can't be offset by the recruiting class. And whi knows, maybe depending on who you pull.in and keep around (stan?) maybe one or more of them stay. I'd be hugely shocked if Wojo as coach was the only (main?) draw for these guys coming to MU.

[The Lens]

Agree and remember the story Kevin O'Neill told at the 100th year reunion?  Kevin had basically rebuilt MU after the Dukiet debacle and MU hadn't gone to an NCAA tournament in maybe 7 or 8 years, but there are the Marquette fans confronting Kevin and his son at McDonald's the morning after a loss and this was the coach who brought Marquette back to high major status.

The only thing that has changed is the internet and now you have the armchair quarterbacks who know everything about coaching and recruiting and aren't shy to tell everyone on a message board.

For every fan that attacked Kevin & Sean at McDonald's, 100 more were buying his dinner at Chancery Mequon or paying for his dry-cleaning.  Blaming fans is lol. 

[Cheeks]

Do you think MU's fanbase is the only one like this in the entire country?? You would be 100% wrong...go read other teams message boards...there is a thread typically on the first page about firing the coach. Xavier has one, Butler has one, many schools have one. Just because you are totally 100% fine with mediocre results(and don't give me BS about it being better then mediocre, it's a unnatural carnal knowledgeing fallacy) doesn't mean the rest of us are. Far from it. We witnessed buzz go to two Sweet 16's and an Elite 8 in 5 years..Wojo hasn't done squat in comparison...that is a FACT.

No, we are not exclusive to that.

Now, why is it just a few weeks using your EYE test you said how great a coaching job Butler had done and yet now you say how overrated they are....cat bite your tongue?

[Cheeks]

They could make the Sweet 16 this year, but that does NOT make them a Sweet 16 program like I was referencing with Buzz...Buzz had two Sweet 16's and an Elite 8 in back to back to back years.

Buzz is on his second school since leaving...not sure if you caught the news in the papers.  How did he do his last year at MU....you know....pivotal year 6 in the same conference makeup we are in now?

[Cheeks]

For every fan that attacked Kevin & Sean at McDonald's, 100 more were buying his dinner at Chancery Mequon or paying for his dry-cleaning.  Blaming fans is lol.

Coaches remember the attackers more than those buying his dinners.....to deny this is silly.  Human nature.

[cheebs09]

Buzz is on his second school since leaving...not sure if you caught the news in the papers.  How did he do his last year at MU....you know....pivotal year 6 in the same conference makeup we are in now?

I think you are mistaking why people point to year 6 with Wojo. There's nothing magical about Year 6. If Wojo had the first 5 years Buzz did, no one is saying "we are in Year 6 and this team is not where we'd hoped it would be."

The deal with Wojo was we were building to something in Year 5 and beyond. With the collapse last year and some of the same issues plaguing this team, I think people are worried that the high point for Wojo is a team on a late swoon and first round exit. Maybe this team figures it out and we go on a fun run. I would be really excited and I do hope Wojo succeeds here. I'm just losing optimism that he will.

We were told to have patience years 1-4 because it was part of a bigger plan. We are almost 6 years in and don't have a ton to show for it.  We are losing our all time leading scorer and POY candidate, a good starter, and Jayce who has really played well once he got over his injury and comfortable. We will be back to being patient while our Top 10 recruiting class gets experience.

[Dr. Blackheart]

Coaches remember the attackers more than those buying his dinners.....to deny this is silly.  Human nature.

KO was run out on a rail at Knoxville. There are NU fans who still deeply hate him for his disaster there. His homecoming at AZ led to a rocky breakup. And his time at USC was a dumpster fire. Fans everywhere except MU despise him.

And KO had MU hurt feelings from some fan comments in the Mequon Happy Meal line? He should have gone to Arby's.


https://www.insidenu.com/2013/1/14/3877266/kevin-oneill-fired-usc-northwestern
https://reignoftroy.com/2013/01/14/a-eulogy-for-kevin-oneills-tenure-as-the-usc-trojans-head-coach/

[Goose]

MU fans treated KO better than any other fan base he was exposed to. To even being talked about "how tough" MU fans are cracks me up. Outside of a few idiots (me included) on here, I am not so sure on what heat any MU coach has ever experienced. For $2 million a year I could put up a lot of comments from Goose on Scoop.

[keefe]

[lurch91]

I would support the next coach.   Until either the program regressed or the players started misbehaving in the classroom or off the court.

Reading this thread makes me realize, MU fans are to basketball as what ND fans are to football.

[lurch91]

Absolutely laughable

Says the guy that was envious of DePaul's program...... in DECEMBER!!! lol

[Uncle Rico]

Reading this thread makes me realize, MU fans are to basketball as what ND fans are to football.

Marquette won a title in 1977!

[Lennys Tap]

Yeah, making NCAA tournaments are rebuild....Good Lord.


In Buzz's year 6 we were picked to win the Big East and finished 6th.

You routinely mock preseason predictions. Until they suit your purpose. Hypocrite.

[MU82]

MU fans treated KO better than any other fan base he was exposed to. To even being talked about "how tough" MU fans are cracks me up. Outside of a few idiots (me included) on here, I am not so sure on what heat any MU coach has ever experienced. For $2 million a year I could put up a lot of comments from Goose on Scoop.

Aw, Goose, I'll put up with your comments for half that much!

[keefe]

Aw, Goose, I'll put up with your comments for half that much!

I hope that animal gets ass reamed nightly for the rest of his miserable life

[CTWarrior]

I think you are mistaking why people point to year 6 with Wojo. There's nothing magical about Year 6. If Wojo had the first 5 years Buzz did, no one is saying "we are in Year 6 and this team is not where we'd hoped it would be."

The deal with Wojo was we were building to something in Year 5 and beyond. With the collapse last year and some of the same issues plaguing this team, I think people are worried that the high point for Wojo is a team on a late swoon and first round exit. Maybe this team figures it out and we go on a fun run. I would be really excited and I do hope Wojo succeeds here. I'm just losing optimism that he will.

We were told to have patience years 1-4 because it was part of a bigger plan. We are almost 6 years in and don't have a ton to show for it.  We are losing our all time leading scorer and POY candidate, a good starter, and Jayce who has really played well once he got over his injury and comfortable. We will be back to being patient while our Top 10 recruiting class gets experience.

I think this is the right summation for many.  2018-19 and 2019-20 were the years we were building toward, and the first one fizzled out badly (one win in our last 7 games) and this one is good but not great, which is what we were expecting.  For me, I just want to feel like we have a solid chance to win the Big East, or the Big East Tournament or make a run in the tournament.  The only time I've felt like that in 6 years was for a few weeks in Jan/early Feb last year.  I am still not a fire Wojo guy, but last year's finish and the Hausers' subsequent exit took a lot of enthusiasm out of me.

[Warrior Code]

I hope that animal gets ass reamed nightly for the rest of his miserable life

[Goose]

CTWarrior

I have always said I could stomach a rebuild, even a multi year rebuild. I truthfully lost my patience during the second half of year four. I think you summed it up perfectly for me, I lost my enthusiasm for the first time in years.

IMO there seems to be a lack of urgency and accountability from the brass down to Wojo. As I have mentioned countless times this season, this recruiting class is the tipping point for me. At the moment it is good and hoping for more.

[Cheeks]

KO was run out on a rail at Knoxville. There are NU fans who still deeply hate him for his disaster there. His homecoming at AZ led to a rocky breakup. And his time at USC was a dumpster fire. Fans everywhere except MU despise him.

And KO had MU hurt feelings from some fan comments in the Mequon Happy Meal line? He should have gone to Arby's.


https://www.insidenu.com/2013/1/14/3877266/kevin-oneill-fired-usc-northwestern
https://reignoftroy.com/2013/01/14/a-eulogy-for-kevin-oneills-tenure-as-the-usc-trojans-head-coach/

He would have been fired within a few years at MU....thank God cell phones didn't exist at the time.  Walking HR issue.  He got out of dodge on a high, trashed the administration and the contract and then went on to get run because his ego was unchecked for awhile.

He was (is) a very brash guy. 

Crean should have done the same thing after the Final Four because once the bar is set it is impossible at a place like MU to maintain it year in and year out....Coach Al was right about that.  Then the fans get ornery and ask what have you done lately.  Can't win....better off like KO recycling a new opportunity.

[Cheeks]

MU fans treated KO better than any other fan base he was exposed to. To even being talked about "how tough" MU fans are cracks me up. Outside of a few idiots (me included) on here, I am not so sure on what heat any MU coach has ever experienced. For $2 million a year I could put up a lot of comments from Goose on Scoop.

Treatment isn't the whole thing...it's about expectations and the ability at a place like MU to repeat it consistently as the fans demand it.  Set the bar, jump over the bar, set a new bar....not so easy at a place like MU and it wears on them. 

[hairy worthen]

CTWarrior

I have always said I could stomach a rebuild, even a multi year rebuild. I truthfully lost my patience during the second half of year four. I think you summed it up perfectly for me, I lost my enthusiasm for the first time in years.

IMO there seems to be a lack of urgency and accountability from the brass down to Wojo. As I have mentioned countless times this season, this recruiting class is the tipping point for me. At the moment it is good and hoping for more.

Goose,
Some of the projos are always asking why the nojos dont post after wins. For me I just dont give a damn anymore. I still follow the team and want them to succeed, but I have lost some of the passion, which is sad.

[Cheeks]

Goose,
Some of the projos are always asking why the nojos dont post after wins. For me I just dont give a damn anymore. I still follow the team and want them to succeed, but I have lost some of the passion, which is sad.

Let me ask you a question, as a fan of MU when players we have recruited bolt because of free agency that some of our fans here want, how do you think fans will feel?  Do you think the passion will also evaporate from us and other teams as players are poached right off the roster?

[curbina]

Agree.  So what needs to happen for him to get canned?

Lovell will protect Wojo as long as he is president! They both need to go ASAP!

[lohaus]

Underachieving. On the wrong side of one shining moment. Moving away from successful switchables to more traditional established position players. Recruiting Smurfs as guards and wondering why we can't defend. Lacking in coaching ability. Giving players too much leash on offense.

[Lennys Tap]

Let me ask you a question, as a fan of MU when players we have recruited bolt because of free agency that some of our fans here want, how do you think fans will feel?  Do you think the passion will also evaporate from us and other teams as players are poached right off the roster?

Wojo has recruited 4 players who were good enough to draw interest from programs on a higher level than ours. One (Ellenson) only played one year of college so his case is moot. Of the other 3, 2 transferred. Doubt it could get worse.