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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: 5DollarPitcher on February 22, 2020, 01:23:12 PM
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How would we remember his tenure?
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Six years of watching a gunner, limited athletic players and no March wins.
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Who?
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How would we remember his tenure?
Storming the court for the Villanova win. Maybe our record before the collapse last year.
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Slightly above Deanes. The epitome of average. Clearly didn't meet program standards, didn't trash a great program either just sort of a lot of meh plus great watching Howard and Ellenson.
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Wait til next year, we have so and so coming in...
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How would we remember his tenure?
Decent, sometimes good, but very frustrating teams.
Ultimately, not a success. Hope he turns it around to end the year.
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The amount of ProJos on this board contrasted with the honesty of these answers is baffling.
Wake up people. The guy cannot coach.
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Vanilla ice cream. Hold the sprinkles.
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With most games against quality teams essentially being over 7 mins into the game.
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A Coach who would have done a lot better with a true point guard.You see the difference with Pipkins at point for Providence.Get some guards that can handle the ball and run the show.It is not difficult to figure out.
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Being promised improvement and trajectory. Just wait till next year. All while becoming non-factor program in March.
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Just another guy who used to sit next to Coach K that can't coach his way out of a wet paper bag.
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Wait til next year, we have so and so coming in...
7 years to judge
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A coach with no game plan.
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Probably a shoulder shrug.
He might be better, same or worst than the next coach.
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A picture worth a thousand words!
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This!
Gone will be these days of Sweet Sixteens and Elite Eights.
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Would be the worst 6 years in a while
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Uninspired placeholder totally lacking in strategy, unable to coach good recruits up.
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Storming the court for the Villanova win. Maybe our record before the collapse last year.
This^^
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Don’t tease us. I’m resigned to enduring his mediocrity indefinitely
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I’d remember his tenure by enthusiastically welcoming his replacement
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The inability to win a game in the tournament would be a huge gut punch. The everlasting feeling of his teams to not exceed expectations, or for the teams to not play above their potential. Great shooting teams, but severely lacking on the defensive end consistently. The upset win over #1 Villanova at home, would have been the pinnacle IMO. Howard's and Rowsey's miraculous and out-of-this-world shooting abilities. Howard's career in totality. And, last but not least, the bitter ending of both the Ellensons and Hausers.
Having said all of that, we still get to be entertained by this year's team for a few more weeks. They can easily turn it around and make a little run, just as easily as they can to succumb to this really awful stretch and continue to play bad. Hoping the team can fix the issues for Georgetown (who might be the best BE opponent outside of DePaul for us to face right now).
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The inability to win a game in the tournament would be a huge gut punch. The everlasting feeling of his teams to not exceed expectations, or for the teams to not play above their potential. Great shooting teams, but severely lacking on the defensive end consistently. The upset win over #1 Villanova at home, would have been the pinnacle IMO. Howard's and Rowsey's miraculous and out-of-this-world shooting abilities. Howard's career in totality. And, last but not least, the bitter ending of both the Ellensons and Hausers.
Having said all of that, we still get to be entertained by this year's team for a few more weeks. They can easily turn it around and make a little run, just as easily as they can to succumb to this really awful stretch and continue to play bad. Hoping the team can fix the issues for Georgetown (who might be the best BE opponent outside of DePaul for us to face right now).
DePaul will hand Wojo his ass. Those excuses after that will be entertaining.
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A picture worth a thousand words!
Dude hoo kant stop eatin' grains, hey?
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The guy John Beilein replaced...maybe?
Who am I kidding, he’ll be back again.
In reality I’d remember him as a huge underachiever. High expectations as coach K’s top assistant and nothing to show.
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The problem is in the title of the thread. It has the word, "If" and not the word "when".
As a side is anyone concerned that Wojo will leave to replace Coach K?
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The problem is in the title of the thread. It has the word, "If" and not the word "when".
As a side is anyone concerned that Wojo will leave to replace Coach K?
Concerned? No. Hopeful? Absolutely.
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Wojo’s Exit would be the same joy I experienced on 4/1/08.
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Crean sucks
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As a side is anyone concerned that Wojo will leave to replace Coach K?
Ha..haa..haaa...haaaa...haaahhaahhaaahhaa!
Maybe for Coach K's spot in a foursome in the Duke Alumni Golf Charity event.
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I would remember it as never having a PG that could get to the basket and no quickness at the guard spots to defend dribble penetration.
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Uh, gotta defend penetration at all cost, aina?
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Pretty boy coach who never could coach his guys up to play scrappy, tough defense and play as a whole team. Never improved his coaching. If he looked like majerus he would have been done 2 years ago.
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Wake up people. The guy cannot coach.
So right.
How as a coach do you watch Cain pass up an open corner 3, take a few dribbles, pass up an open 12 footer, then throw the ball away leading to a dunk, and you leave him in the game?!?!?! Disgraceful.
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So right.
How as a coach do you watch Cain pass up an open corner 3, take a few dribbles, pass up an open 12 footer, then throw the ball away leading to a dunk, and you leave him in the game?!?!?! Disgraceful.
The corner is Cain’s “spot”. If he’s afraid to take that wide open shot he shouldn’t be in the game. Period.
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Serious question, did Wojo show any pulse when we got screwed on that shot clock violation that gave Providence the ball back, and a reset to 20 seconds I think. And of course, they scored. He should have been going ballistic on that. Couldn’t he have asked them to review that? They review everything nowadays. But at least fight for your team there. It was a 9 point game when that happened and quickly balloooned after. It was an important play. But you’d never know based on Wojo’s lack of reaction to it.
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The corner is Cain’s “spot”. If he’s afraid to take that wide open shot he shouldn’t be in the game. Period.
He made two terrible decisions after that even. Yet, play on Jamal was Wojo’s judgment of it apparently.
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He made two terrible decisions after that even. Yet, play on Jamal was Wojo’s judgment of it apparently.
Wojo was just proving a point that Ners...wasn't right.
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If Wojo left, I would remember his teams as full of strong recruits, however few players seemed to really grow and improve over their years. I’ll remember his teams as mostly lacking balance. The irony is that Wojo was selfless as a player, yet his teams often had one primary shooter that showed no regard for good/bad shots...whether Carlino or Howard. He’s had some tremendous shooters, but his teams have often been below average defensively, poor at passing, distributing, and ball handling. Watching games, and I’d love a true ball handler with court awareness, like Gillespie. Today I enjoyed watching Russell at Rhode Island and Pritchard at Oregon.
Howard has kind of been the epitome of Marquette during Wojo’s tenure. By all accounts a great person, a hard worker, good shooting, substandard height, substandard distributing/passing, substandard defense, below average ball-handling, frequent foul trouble, too many dumb shots, and a lack of being held accountable. Some good times, but lots of frustration.
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Serious question, did Wojo show any pulse when we got screwed on that shot clock violation that gave Providence the ball back, and a reset to 20 seconds I think. And of course, they scored. He should have been going ballistic on that. Couldn’t he have asked them to review that? They review everything nowadays. But at least fight for your team there. It was a 9 point game when that happened and quickly balloooned after. It was an important play. But you’d never know based on Wojo’s lack of reaction to it.
This was a pretty huge play, but Wojo would have looked silly complaining about it because unfortunately it was the correct call. Howard kicked the ball with 1 second on the clock.
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This was a pretty huge play, but Wojo would have looked silly complaining about it because unfortunately it was the correct call. Howard kicked the ball with 1 second on the clock.
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Providence guy kicked it first and Howard kicked it!! It should have been MU ball. It was the wrong call and everyone knew it.
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But Wojo again shows incompetence for in game coaching by saying nothing, not raising a royal stink, and letting game play on and watching Providence score. Kind of like his incompetence not knowing score coming out of a timeout.
And all this for what is being paid, 2 mil a year?
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I cannot wait for senior day when our arsehole fans don’t make it about the young men that are graduating, but decide to be tough guys and boo our coach....that’s going to be awesome.
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I cannot wait for senior day when our arsehole fans don’t make it about the young men that are graduating, but decide to be tough guys and boo our coach....that’s going to be awesome.
Your unicorn will stop getting booed when he actually has success. We’ve dropped three games in a row, will likely be unranked when the new rankings come out, and have never won a Big East title or NCAA Tournament game during his time here. We’re currently 7-7 in conference, strictly middle of the pack. And we’re nearing the end of year six.
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Your unicorn will stop getting booed when he actually has success. We’ve dropped three games in a row, will likely be unranked when the new rankings come out, and have never won a Big East title or NCAA Tournament game during his time here. We’re currently 7-7 in conference, strictly middle of the pack. And we’re nearing the end of year six.
There is no excuse for booing your team or coach in public. Period.
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There is no excuse for booing your team or coach in public. Period.
lol?
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There is no excuse for booing your team or coach in public. Period.
There’s no excuse for booing amateur athletes, ever, unless it’s in fun when you’re booing the visitors, or getting on a guy like Brad Davison who plays dirty. But a coach who’s making a cool $2 million a year? Fair game if he’s not producing.
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I do not believe I have ever booed a player or a coach, at least as an adult. Have booed refs over the years.
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There’s no excuse for booing amateur athletes, ever, unless it’s in fun when you’re booing the visitors, or getting on a guy like Brad Davison who plays dirty. But a coach who’s making a cool $2 million a year? Fair game if he’s not producing.
I agree with this 100%. You want the booing to stop?? Perform better. It's really that simple. There's no magic formula. It's as easy as winning more games.
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Your unicorn will stop getting booed when he actually has success. We’ve dropped three games in a row, will likely be unranked when the new rankings come out, and have never won a Big East title or NCAA Tournament game during his time here. We’re currently 7-7 in conference, strictly middle of the pack. And we’re nearing the end of year six.
The unicorns don’t exist which has been my point for a long time. Despite so many of you thinking one is coming to Milwaukee and staying. LOL. I expect to win 2 or 3 of the last four.
Senior night is about the players, but I have no doubt some of our illustrious arseholes will do their best to show just how smart and big time arseholes they are....don’t disappoint us.
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It's just unproductive. I understand frustration, but it doesn't achieve anything. He's not getting fired unless the performance gets worse, and it definitely doesn't foster a great environment for our players.
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So right.
How as a coach do you watch Cain pass up an open corner 3, take a few dribbles, pass up an open 12 footer, then throw the ball away leading to a dunk, and you leave him in the game?!?!?! Disgraceful.
That was a maddening stretch for a guy who had been playing with confidence. Interesting to note, however, how many on here have blamed Cain's woes last year on being quickly pulled all the time. Whatever fits the narrative one is pushing.
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That was a maddening stretch for a guy who had been playing with confidence. Interesting to note, however, how many on here have blamed Cain's woes last year on being quickly pulled all the time. Whatever fits the narrative one is pushing.
The track record of player “development” under Wojo speaks for itself.
All players make mistakes. Mistakes multiply when historically making one leads to a quick hook.
Lastly, the coaching “results” speak for themselves as well. 7-7 in Big East. Year 6.
The real Wojo tenure narrative. #mediocre
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So right.
How as a coach do you watch Cain pass up an open corner 3, take a few dribbles, pass up an open 12 footer, then throw the ball away leading to a dunk, and you leave him in the game?!?!?! Disgraceful.
And yet other clowns here saying to let Cain play more and let him get some run despite turnovers, etc.
This board is like watching 20 bipolar people talking to each other. You all talk out of both sides of your mouths.
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The track record of player “development” under Wojo speaks for itself.
All players make mistakes. Mistakes multiply when historically making one leads to a quick hook.
Lastly, the coaching “results” speak for themselves as well. 7-7 in Big East. Year 6.
The real Wojo tenure narrative. #mediocre
Lol, better than Buzz’s record in year 6 in a worse conference...oh, that’s right...he wasn’t trying.
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Lol, better than Buzz’s record in year 6 in a worse conference...oh, that’s right...he wasn’t trying.
Why is one of your defining arguments Buzz's one bad year (where his best player jumoed ship to pros) where his pg and sf straight didn't work out. Buzz was 5/6 wojo is like 1.5/6
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And yet other clowns here saying to let Cain play more and let him get some run despite turnovers, etc.
This board is like watching 20 bipolar people talking to each other. You all talk out of both sides of your mouths.
Well, it’s nothing I’ve said about him.
He’s nearly completed 3 years of college ball, so cutting him slack to play through his ridiculous mistakes is over. His decisions are that of first semester freshman. You just cringe anytime he’s doing anything but catching and shooting immediately. Any time he has to start thinking of his next move, look out.
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There’s no excuse for booing amateur athletes, ever, unless it’s in fun when you’re booing the visitors, or getting on a guy like Brad Davison who plays dirty. But a coach who’s making a cool $2 million a year? Fair game if he’s not producing.
Booing a coach in public, especially at a game, is hurting the team as well. At the moment, that is who their leader is. And to boo the a coach, you boo the team because you hurt them.
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The track record of player “development” under Wojo speaks for itself.
All players make mistakes. Mistakes multiply when historically making one leads to a quick hook.
Lastly, the coaching “results” speak for themselves as well. 7-7 in Big East. Year 6.
The real Wojo tenure narrative. #mediocre
Source?
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Lol, better than Buzz’s record in year 6 in a worse conference...oh, that’s right...he wasn’t trying.
Buzz was 9-9 that year. We haven’t exceeded it yet.
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Booing a coach in public, especially at a game, is hurting the team as well. At the moment, that is who their leader is. And to boo the a coach, you boo the team because you hurt them.
This.
Plus the public perception of the fanbase on future recruits or coaching prospects
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Why is one of your defining arguments Buzz's one bad year (where his best player jumoed ship to pros) where his pg and sf straight didn't work out. Buzz was 5/6 wojo is like 1.5/6
How you say, double standard?
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I've supported Wojo for 5 years.
Time to get it together. His 2 best players (Ellenson and Howard) have been questioanable. Every coach in the Big East knows how to play against Marcus now. The offense is the opposite of K. There is no offense. Howard refuses to play team ball. Wojo hasn't shown the ability to adjust.
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The track record of player “development” under Wojo speaks for itself.
All players make mistakes. Mistakes multiply when historically making one leads to a quick hook.
Lastly, the coaching “results” speak for themselves as well. 7-7 in Big East. Year 6.
The real Wojo tenure narrative. #mediocre
As painful as the losing has been the last three games, stating Wojos conference record before the conference season is over is not really productive. He could end up 11-7. It could be 7-11. We will have all the information at the end of the year. I don’t like how we have played, especially the last two games, as much as anyone but this season could still end up way above average. Let’s let it play out.
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Why is one of your defining arguments Buzz's one bad year (where his best player jumoed ship to pros) where his pg and sf straight didn't work out. Buzz was 5/6 wojo is like 1.5/6
Because you guys keep saying year 6. Compare year 6 to year 6, same Big East to the same Big East.
That’s why
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Buzz was 9-9 that year. We haven’t exceeded it yet.
It was also the 5th ranked conference that year...this year ranked 2nd.
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Because you guys keep saying year 6. Compare year 6 to year 6, same Big East to the same Big East.
That’s why
Probably not uncommon to have a rebuild year after making the S16 3 straight years. Seems we’ve been in rebuild mode every year under Wojo.
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Probably not uncommon to have a rebuild year after making the S16 3 straight years. Seems we’ve been in rebuild mode every year under Wojo.
Yeah, making NCAA tournaments are rebuild....Good Lord.
In Buzz’s year 6 we were picked to win the Big East and finished 6th.
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Yeah, making NCAA tournaments are rebuild....Good Lord.
In Buzz’s year 6 we were picked to win the Big East and finished 6th.
Your commitment to trying to make people think they are crazy for being unhappy or dissatisfied with Wojo's tenure is poisonous. You, and others that talk/post like you, are the worst fans we have.
There is nothing wrong with believing that Marquette can, and should, do better. We've seen it before.
Please continue to boo the guy making $2M per year to be OK(?) at his job.
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I would support the next coach. Until either the program regressed or the players started misbehaving in the classroom or off the court.
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Lol, better than Buzz’s record in year 6 in a worse conference...oh, that’s right...he wasn’t trying.
I love how you always only bring up this year with Buzz. You're so predictable. You know what I miss?? I miss MU being a Sweet16/Elite 8 program...like they were under...Buzz. We will never see those days again, at least not under Wojo, that is pretty evident. It's sad and pathetic.
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I love how you always only bring up this year with Buzz. You're so predictable. You know what I miss?? I miss MU being a Sweet16/Elite 8 program...like they were under...Buzz. We will never see those days again, at least not under Wojo, that is pretty evident. It's sad and pathetic.
Agree. So what needs to happen for him to get canned?
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A scandal. He won't get canned.
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I love how you always only bring up this year with Buzz. You're so predictable. You know what I miss?? I miss MU being a Sweet16/Elite 8 program...like they were under...Buzz. We will never see those days again, at least not under Wojo, that is pretty evident. It's sad and pathetic.
Something you have no way of knowing...absolutely no way. I would find it funny if he left like Majerus and went to multiple ones just to blow the minds of some people here.
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Already predicted that.
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Cheeks
Are you comparing the basketball minds of Wojo and Rick?
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I wouldn't compare their minds. I wouldn't compare their recruiting. I wouldn't compare how they interact with their administrations. I wouldn't compare their propensities for self destruction.
I do think that Wojo is capable of taking a program deep in the tourney. I hope it is at MU. But if he leaves, with what he has learned I think he will be successful at his next program.
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I wouldn't compare their minds. I wouldn't compare their recruiting. I wouldn't compare how they interact with their administrations. I wouldn't compare their propensities for self destruction.
I do think that Wojo is capable of taking a program deep in the tourney. I hope it is at MU. But if he leaves, with what he has learned I think he will be successful at his next program.
Absolutely laughable
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I wouldn't compare their minds. I wouldn't compare their recruiting. I wouldn't compare how they interact with their administrations. I wouldn't compare their propensities for self destruction.
I do think that Wojo is capable of taking a program deep in the tourney. I hope it is at MU. But if he leaves, with what he has learned I think he will be successful at his next program.
In fairness you mean what you presume he has learned, right? I haven’t seen strong evidence that he’s learned much in almost 6 seasons.
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Cheeks
Are you comparing the basketball minds of Wojo and Rick?
Nope...I am comparing the lousy treatment of MU fans toward the coaches....and Wojo did way better as head coach of MU than Rick did at MU. I think reading Rick’s book and his mention of the fans and administration was rather eye opening. Cannot blame him for wanting out at all....cannot blame Al for the comments he made in 1976. Rick was a brilliant basketball mind who was smart to leave MU based on how people were treating him. Right in his book.
Now I’m guessing Silent Verbal is going to fall Rick one of the softest coaches in America for leaving MU.
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In fairness you mean what you presume he has learned, right? I haven’t seen strong evidence that he’s learned much in almost 6 seasons.
Talk about laughable....but in Rick’s 3 years you would have said the same thing....our fan base....it’s a beauty.
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I love how you always only bring up this year with Buzz. You're so predictable. You know what I miss?? I miss MU being a Sweet16/Elite 8 program...like they were under...Buzz. We will never see those days again, at least not under Wojo, that is pretty evident. It's sad and pathetic.
Umm they could be sweet 16 this year. What if the davidson miracle didnt happen. Would have been viewed as a very disappointing year for buzz. Do you accept you have to apply "crapshoot" to some extent for the tourney. I agree you gotta win eventually but come on let's wait the season out at least
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Talk about laughable....but in Rick’s 3 years you would have said the same thing....our fan base....it’s a beauty.
Speculation. You fail.
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Speculation. You fail.
Well you just said in 6 years Wojo hasn’t learned anything that you can see....every rating, computer or otherwise says you are wrong....so I’m going to go with your simple inability to judge.
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Umm they could be sweet 16 this year. What if the davidson miracle didnt happen. Would have been viewed as a very disappointing year for buzz. Do you accept you have to apply "crapshoot" to some extent for the tourney. I agree you gotta win eventually but come on let's wait the season out at least
Winning in March cures a lot of angst. Buzz's first S16 team was 31 in Kenpom heading into the tournament. Just snuck in. Won 2 games. This team is currently 30th.
Buzz's 2nd S16 was a legit very good team. Probably my favorite team of his at MU.
Buzz's E8 was sparked by two last second wins.
The three peak years of his tenure were nearly missed tournament, S16, First round upset loss. And he'd be viewed far differently around here if not for a point or shot here or there. But he got those wins and created those memories.
If Wojo can win a game or two in March this year I'd like to think most critics will give him a longer leash.
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If Wojo can win a game or two in March this year I'd like to think most critics will give him a longer leash.
THIS is true.
Wojo earned an extension last year due to winning. Not because MU liked him and believed he was 'growing' as a coach or thinks he can someday win a few games in the NCAA. He won, 2nd in the Big East and a high seed in the Tourney.
Most, the vast majority, of fans judge him the same way, on results.
While it is cute to point to a coach that started his career slow and became successful, there are a 1,000 that started slow and were never heard from again.
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A scandal. He won't get canned.
Hey, you finally appeared. Where are the latest excuses? You were on a sabbatical to think of them.
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Hey, you finally appeared. Where are the latest excuses? You were on a sabbatical to think of them.
Nah. Running alarms. Ended up finishing the game about 90 minutes after it ended. Didn't watch it real close as I was writing reports. Got a sense, saw the score, figured there was nothing here worth seeing. Took 24 hours off.
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Absolutely laughable
Which part? That Rick had a great mind? That he sometimes clashed with his administration? That he wasn't a great recruiter? That he had a propensity for self destruction? That Wojo has learned? That I think he can take a program deep in the tourney?
Look around. How many schools want a coach averaging 21 wins a year over a 5 year period while scandal free? With ties to Duke and experience coaching some of the greats? With a demonstrated ability to attract high level recruits? Those things leave little doubt in my mind that he can take a program deep in the tourney. He only has to get hot once. Look at Crean. Look at Porter Moser.
If Wake (or anyone) hires him away, whoever MU gets will not have anything near Wojo's current resume.
But I would support that coach.
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Talk about laughable....but in Rick’s 3 years you would have said the same thing....our fan base....it’s a beauty.
Do you think MU's fanbase is the only one like this in the entire country?? You would be 100% wrong...go read other teams message boards...there is a thread typically on the first page about firing the coach. Xavier has one, Butler has one, many schools have one. Just because you are totally 100% fine with mediocre results(and don't give me BS about it being better then mediocre, it's a unnatural carnal knowledgeing fallacy) doesn't mean the rest of us are. Far from it. We witnessed buzz go to two Sweet 16's and an Elite 8 in 5 years..Wojo hasn't done squat in comparison...that is a FACT.
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Umm they could be sweet 16 this year. What if the davidson miracle didnt happen. Would have been viewed as a very disappointing year for buzz. Do you accept you have to apply "crapshoot" to some extent for the tourney. I agree you gotta win eventually but come on let's wait the season out at least
They could make the Sweet 16 this year, but that does NOT make them a Sweet 16 program like I was referencing with Buzz...Buzz had two Sweet 16's and an Elite 8 in back to back to back years.
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Yep. Buzz was a better coach. But he left.
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Which part? That Rick had a great mind? That he sometimes clashed with his administration? That he wasn't a great recruiter? That he had a propensity for self destruction? That Wojo has learned? That I think he can take a program deep in the tourney?
Look around. How many schools want a coach averaging 21 wins a year over a 5 year period while scandal free? With ties to Duke and experience coaching some of the greats? With a demonstrated ability to attract high level recruits? Those things leave little doubt in my mind that he can take a program deep in the tourney. He only has to get hot once. Look at Crean. Look at Porter Moser.
If Wake (or anyone) hires him away, whoever MU gets will not have anything near Wojo's current resume.
But I would support that coach.
I don’t give a crap about Wojo’s resume. His results have been, and continue to be, mediocre. The basketball world knows it. I don’t see programs falling over themselves to pull Wojo away from MU. No one wants him.
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They could make the Sweet 16 this year, but that does NOT make them a Sweet 16 program like I was referencing with Buzz...Buzz had two Sweet 16's and an Elite 8 in back to back to back years.
So even if wojo makes the sweet 16 this year its still not a "sweet 16 program"? At what point does it become one? 2 sweet 16s? Sweet sixteen every other year? Every 3 years? Every year lol? Jw
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Nope...I am comparing the lousy treatment of MU fans toward the coaches....and Wojo did way better as head coach of MU than Rick did at MU. I think reading Rick’s book and his mention of the fans and administration was rather eye opening. Cannot blame him for wanting out at all....cannot blame Al for the comments he made in 1976. Rick was a brilliant basketball mind who was smart to leave MU based on how people were treating him. Right in his book.
Now I’m guessing Silent Verbal is going to fall Rick one of the softest coaches in America for leaving MU.
Agree and remember the story Kevin O'Neill told at the 100th year reunion? Kevin had basically rebuilt MU after the Dukiet debacle and MU hadn't gone to an NCAA tournament in maybe 7 or 8 years, but there are the Marquette fans confronting Kevin and his son at McDonald's the morning after a loss and this was the coach who brought Marquette back to high major status.
The only thing that has changed is the internet and now you have the armchair quarterbacks who know everything about coaching and recruiting and aren't shy to tell everyone on a message board.
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A scandal. He won't get canned.
If we lose out (which is higely unlikely but if we lose Wednesday becomes much more possible) he needs to be canned immediately. Consecutive late season collapses can't be offset by the recruiting class. And whi knows, maybe depending on who you pull.in and keep around (stan?) maybe one or more of them stay. I'd be hugely shocked if Wojo as coach was the only (main?) draw for these guys coming to MU.
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Agree and remember the story Kevin O'Neill told at the 100th year reunion? Kevin had basically rebuilt MU after the Dukiet debacle and MU hadn't gone to an NCAA tournament in maybe 7 or 8 years, but there are the Marquette fans confronting Kevin and his son at McDonald's the morning after a loss and this was the coach who brought Marquette back to high major status.
The only thing that has changed is the internet and now you have the armchair quarterbacks who know everything about coaching and recruiting and aren't shy to tell everyone on a message board.
For every fan that attacked Kevin & Sean at McDonald's, 100 more were buying his dinner at Chancery Mequon or paying for his dry-cleaning. Blaming fans is lol.
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Do you think MU's fanbase is the only one like this in the entire country?? You would be 100% wrong...go read other teams message boards...there is a thread typically on the first page about firing the coach. Xavier has one, Butler has one, many schools have one. Just because you are totally 100% fine with mediocre results(and don't give me BS about it being better then mediocre, it's a unnatural carnal knowledgeing fallacy) doesn't mean the rest of us are. Far from it. We witnessed buzz go to two Sweet 16's and an Elite 8 in 5 years..Wojo hasn't done squat in comparison...that is a FACT.
No, we are not exclusive to that.
Now, why is it just a few weeks using your EYE test you said how great a coaching job Butler had done and yet now you say how overrated they are....cat bite your tongue?
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They could make the Sweet 16 this year, but that does NOT make them a Sweet 16 program like I was referencing with Buzz...Buzz had two Sweet 16's and an Elite 8 in back to back to back years.
Buzz is on his second school since leaving...not sure if you caught the news in the papers. How did he do his last year at MU....you know....pivotal year 6 in the same conference makeup we are in now?
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For every fan that attacked Kevin & Sean at McDonald's, 100 more were buying his dinner at Chancery Mequon or paying for his dry-cleaning. Blaming fans is lol.
Coaches remember the attackers more than those buying his dinners.....to deny this is silly. Human nature.
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Buzz is on his second school since leaving...not sure if you caught the news in the papers. How did he do his last year at MU....you know....pivotal year 6 in the same conference makeup we are in now?
I think you are mistaking why people point to year 6 with Wojo. There’s nothing magical about Year 6. If Wojo had the first 5 years Buzz did, no one is saying “we are in Year 6 and this team is not where we’d hoped it would be.”
The deal with Wojo was we were building to something in Year 5 and beyond. With the collapse last year and some of the same issues plaguing this team, I think people are worried that the high point for Wojo is a team on a late swoon and first round exit. Maybe this team figures it out and we go on a fun run. I would be really excited and I do hope Wojo succeeds here. I’m just losing optimism that he will.
We were told to have patience years 1-4 because it was part of a bigger plan. We are almost 6 years in and don’t have a ton to show for it. We are losing our all time leading scorer and POY candidate, a good starter, and Jayce who has really played well once he got over his injury and comfortable. We will be back to being patient while our Top 10 recruiting class gets experience.
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Coaches remember the attackers more than those buying his dinners.....to deny this is silly. Human nature.
KO was run out on a rail at Knoxville. There are NU fans who still deeply hate him for his disaster there. His homecoming at AZ led to a rocky breakup. And his time at USC was a dumpster fire. Fans everywhere except MU despise him.
And KO had MU hurt feelings from some fan comments in the Mequon Happy Meal line? He should have gone to Arby’s.
https://www.insidenu.com/2013/1/14/3877266/kevin-oneill-fired-usc-northwestern
https://reignoftroy.com/2013/01/14/a-eulogy-for-kevin-oneills-tenure-as-the-usc-trojans-head-coach/
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MU fans treated KO better than any other fan base he was exposed to. To even being talked about "how tough" MU fans are cracks me up. Outside of a few idiots (me included) on here, I am not so sure on what heat any MU coach has ever experienced. For $2 million a year I could put up a lot of comments from Goose on Scoop.
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I would support the next coach. Until either the program regressed or the players started misbehaving in the classroom or off the court.
Reading this thread makes me realize, MU fans are to basketball as what ND fans are to football.
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Absolutely laughable
Says the guy that was envious of DePaul's program...... in DECEMBER!!! lol
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Reading this thread makes me realize, MU fans are to basketball as what ND fans are to football.
Marquette won a title in 1977!
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Yeah, making NCAA tournaments are rebuild....Good Lord.
In Buzz’s year 6 we were picked to win the Big East and finished 6th.
You routinely mock preseason predictions. Until they suit your purpose. Hypocrite.
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MU fans treated KO better than any other fan base he was exposed to. To even being talked about "how tough" MU fans are cracks me up. Outside of a few idiots (me included) on here, I am not so sure on what heat any MU coach has ever experienced. For $2 million a year I could put up a lot of comments from Goose on Scoop.
Aw, Goose, I'll put up with your comments for half that much!
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Aw, Goose, I'll put up with your comments for half that much!
I hope that animal gets ass reamed nightly for the rest of his miserable life
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I think you are mistaking why people point to year 6 with Wojo. There’s nothing magical about Year 6. If Wojo had the first 5 years Buzz did, no one is saying “we are in Year 6 and this team is not where we’d hoped it would be.”
The deal with Wojo was we were building to something in Year 5 and beyond. With the collapse last year and some of the same issues plaguing this team, I think people are worried that the high point for Wojo is a team on a late swoon and first round exit. Maybe this team figures it out and we go on a fun run. I would be really excited and I do hope Wojo succeeds here. I’m just losing optimism that he will.
We were told to have patience years 1-4 because it was part of a bigger plan. We are almost 6 years in and don’t have a ton to show for it. We are losing our all time leading scorer and POY candidate, a good starter, and Jayce who has really played well once he got over his injury and comfortable. We will be back to being patient while our Top 10 recruiting class gets experience.
I think this is the right summation for many. 2018-19 and 2019-20 were the years we were building toward, and the first one fizzled out badly (one win in our last 7 games) and this one is good but not great, which is what we were expecting. For me, I just want to feel like we have a solid chance to win the Big East, or the Big East Tournament or make a run in the tournament. The only time I've felt like that in 6 years was for a few weeks in Jan/early Feb last year. I am still not a fire Wojo guy, but last year's finish and the Hausers' subsequent exit took a lot of enthusiasm out of me.
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I hope that animal gets ass reamed nightly for the rest of his miserable life
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CTWarrior
I have always said I could stomach a rebuild, even a multi year rebuild. I truthfully lost my patience during the second half of year four. I think you summed it up perfectly for me, I lost my enthusiasm for the first time in years.
IMO there seems to be a lack of urgency and accountability from the brass down to Wojo. As I have mentioned countless times this season, this recruiting class is the tipping point for me. At the moment it is good and hoping for more.
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KO was run out on a rail at Knoxville. There are NU fans who still deeply hate him for his disaster there. His homecoming at AZ led to a rocky breakup. And his time at USC was a dumpster fire. Fans everywhere except MU despise him.
And KO had MU hurt feelings from some fan comments in the Mequon Happy Meal line? He should have gone to Arby’s.
https://www.insidenu.com/2013/1/14/3877266/kevin-oneill-fired-usc-northwestern
https://reignoftroy.com/2013/01/14/a-eulogy-for-kevin-oneills-tenure-as-the-usc-trojans-head-coach/
He would have been fired within a few years at MU....thank God cell phones didn’t exist at the time. Walking HR issue. He got out of dodge on a high, trashed the administration and the contract and then went on to get run because his ego was unchecked for awhile.
He was (is) a very brash guy.
Crean should have done the same thing after the Final Four because once the bar is set it is impossible at a place like MU to maintain it year in and year out....Coach Al was right about that. Then the fans get ornery and ask what have you done lately. Can’t win....better off like KO recycling a new opportunity.
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MU fans treated KO better than any other fan base he was exposed to. To even being talked about "how tough" MU fans are cracks me up. Outside of a few idiots (me included) on here, I am not so sure on what heat any MU coach has ever experienced. For $2 million a year I could put up a lot of comments from Goose on Scoop.
Treatment isn’t the whole thing...it’s about expectations and the ability at a place like MU to repeat it consistently as the fans demand it. Set the bar, jump over the bar, set a new bar....not so easy at a place like MU and it wears on them.
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CTWarrior
I have always said I could stomach a rebuild, even a multi year rebuild. I truthfully lost my patience during the second half of year four. I think you summed it up perfectly for me, I lost my enthusiasm for the first time in years.
IMO there seems to be a lack of urgency and accountability from the brass down to Wojo. As I have mentioned countless times this season, this recruiting class is the tipping point for me. At the moment it is good and hoping for more.
Goose,
Some of the projos are always asking why the nojos dont post after wins. For me I just dont give a damn anymore. I still follow the team and want them to succeed, but I have lost some of the passion, which is sad.
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Goose,
Some of the projos are always asking why the nojos dont post after wins. For me I just dont give a damn anymore. I still follow the team and want them to succeed, but I have lost some of the passion, which is sad.
Let me ask you a question, as a fan of MU when players we have recruited bolt because of free agency that some of our fans here want, how do you think fans will feel? Do you think the passion will also evaporate from us and other teams as players are poached right off the roster?
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Agree. So what needs to happen for him to get canned?
Lovell will protect Wojo as long as he is president! They both need to go ASAP!
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Underachieving. On the wrong side of one shining moment. Moving away from successful switchables to more traditional established position players. Recruiting Smurfs as guards and wondering why we can't defend. Lacking in coaching ability. Giving players too much leash on offense.
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Let me ask you a question, as a fan of MU when players we have recruited bolt because of free agency that some of our fans here want, how do you think fans will feel? Do you think the passion will also evaporate from us and other teams as players are poached right off the roster?
Wojo has recruited 4 players who were good enough to draw interest from programs on a higher level than ours. One (Ellenson) only played one year of college so his case is moot. Of the other 3, 2 transferred. Doubt it could get worse.
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CTWarrior
I have always said I could stomach a rebuild, even a multi year rebuild. I truthfully lost my patience during the second half of year four. I think you summed it up perfectly for me, I lost my enthusiasm for the first time in years.
IMO there seems to be a lack of urgency and accountability from the brass down to Wojo. As I have mentioned countless times this season, this recruiting class is the tipping point for me. At the moment it is good and hoping for more.
So in year five when we’re ranked as high tenth you had still mailed it in from the year before?
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Lovell will protect Wojo as long as he is president! They both need to go ASAP!
Lol. Yes, because we need to make sure athletics runs the university....my God.
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Let me ask you a question, as a fan of MU when players we have recruited bolt because of free agency that some of our fans here want, how do you think fans will feel? Do you think the passion will also evaporate from us and other teams as players are poached right off the roster?
For the record - I don’t think the entire recruiting class would bolt if Wojo were to leave.
That being said, I’d gladly let the chips fall where they may with regards to this recruiting class if it means we rid ourselves of Wojo. I can’t take this basketball purgatory any longer.
If the best reason we have to be tied to this coach is 2-3 high school seniors, there is a major problem with our priorities, and it is a damning indictment of this coach.
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Wojo has recruited 4 players who were good enough to draw interest from programs on a higher level than ours. One (Ellenson) only played one year of college so his case is moot. Of the other 3, 2 transferred. Doubt it could get worse.
100% false again...you are truly in a role with your falsehoods today.
But let’s pretend you are right...if that is the case how are we doing as well as we have? Must be the coaching. Oh, and don’t forget the recruiting disadvantage we have because your guy couldn’t keep his players from so many actions that the university was forced to clamp down. He has to recruit with one arm behind his back because of the actions of a number of guys....ahh those pesky details.
You need to go back and look at those ratings of players you love to quote so much.
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For the record - I don’t think the entire recruiting class would bolt if Wojo were to leave.
That being said, I’d gladly let the chips fall where they may with regards to this recruiting class if it means we rid ourselves of Wojo. I can’t take this basketball purgatory any longer.
If the best reason we have to be tied to this coach is 2-3 high school seniors, there is a major problem with our priorities, and it is a damning indictment of this coach.
3 out of 4 years ncaa tournament equals basketball purgatory and you wonder why some for,er MU coaches say what entitled fans we have...I cannot fathom why they say that....truly is a mystery. Purgatory. LOL.
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Lol. Yes, because we need to make sure athletics runs the university....my God.
Cheeks, next time your on campus talk with a few faculty.
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Cheeks, next time your on campus talk with a few faculty.
Which ones...the ones that agree with you or the ones that don’t. The 500 economists who say one thing or 500 who say another? The law professors that support a decision or the ones that oppose the same decision?
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Which ones...the ones that agree with you or the ones that don’t. The 500 economists who say one thing or 500 who say another? The law professors that support a decision or the ones that oppose the same decision?
Chico, take it easy this broad must be driving you insane! Maybe, you should seek some medical help.
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3 out of 4 years ncaa tournament equals basketball purgatory and you wonder why some for,er MU coaches say what entitled fans we have...I cannot fathom why they say that....truly is a mystery. Purgatory. LOL.
Yes purgatory. MU is Catholic, but I wonder if you somehow got out of the mandatory THEO 1001.
Purgatory is not hell. But it’s also not heaven. We are in purgatory. And as long as we have Wojo we’ll be here for a loooooong time. At least with a coach that gives you college basketball hell you can wash your hands and move on.
Enter the second half of the first decade with Wojo and the standard of the program has become making the tournament in one the first groups on the safe side of the bubble. Just a sad sad purgatory we are experiencing.
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Dammit. The irrational hatred of Chicos against whatever position he takes has made him the voice of reason.
I personally have no fight in this one and find (most) of his posts fine, but dang...this thread (board) is full of people who'd be ready to quit golf because their drive on the par 4 ninth hole didn't go in the hole, ruining their chance at shooting 1-under.
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Chico, take it easy this broad must be driving you insane! Maybe, you should seek some medical help.
Lol. Just having fun with you, but it makes me laugh when I hear things like talk to some faculty. Sure...that’s like saying talk to someone about a politician...some like and some don’t.
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Why does Chico use multiple IDs to make posts? Anyone find this to be strange?
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Yes purgatory. MU is Catholic, but I wonder if you somehow got out of the mandatory THEO 1001.
Purgatory is not hell. But it’s also not heaven. We are in purgatory. And as long as we have Wojo we’ll be here for a loooooong time. At least with a coach that gives you college basketball hell you can wash your hands and move on.
Enter the second half of the first decade with Wojo and the standard of the program has become making the tournament in one the first groups on the safe side of the bubble. Just a sad sad purgatory we are experiencing.
17 years of Catholic school warped me just fine. I think people change definitions around here of words way to easily to fit their POV. But let’s use the purgatory example...if I recall it is like a transitory period where one’s soul is purified before going to heaven. Look how many coaches took a long time before getting to that next heavenly level. Was Majerus delivering us hell at MU, but once he got out of here he delivered manna from heaven?
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Why does Chico use multiple IDs to make posts? Anyone find this to be strange?
I can assure you I'm not Chicos, if that is the implication of your post. I don't do Cali, I have strong feelings about deep dish. I pracice inhouse for a fintech. MU82 and chick have met me and can attest as well. Hell, I'm fairly sure law school classmates of mine post here as well.
Y'all need hobbies or something. I head paddle is the things sweatervests do nowadays. For the youngins...go see a star wars or download the tiktok.
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Dammit. The irrational hatred of Chicos against whatever position he takes has made him the voice of reason.
I personally have no fight in this one and find (most) of his posts fine, but dang...this thread (board) is full of people who'd be ready to quit golf because their drive on the par 4 ninth hole didn't go in the hole, ruining their chance at shooting 1-under.
Derangement Syndrome runs deep with some....and some of these guys have it for multiple people. Is what it is.
The funniest thing to me is we advance to the Sweet 16 and suddenly these guys will determine that over two games of 80 minutes he “finally learned”. Of course this is the same group of fans that one week we beat #1 Kentucky to go to the a Final Four and the next week our coach is an idiot. We have a bizarre fan base.
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Why does Chico use multiple IDs to make posts? Anyone find this to be strange?
I don’t
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I can assure you I'm not Chicos, if that is the implication of your post. I don't do Cali, I have strong feelings about deep dish. I pracice inhouse for a fintech. MU82 and chick have met me and can attest as well. Hell, I'm fairly sure law school classmates of mine post here as well.
Y'all need hobbies or something. I head paddle is the things sweatervests do nowadays. For the youngins...go see a star wars or download the tiktok.
Mu82 give you some coaching tips?
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I can assure you I'm not Chicos, if that is the implication of your post. I don't do Cali, I have strong feelings about deep dish. I pracice inhouse for a fintech. MU82 and chick have met me and can attest as well. Hell, I'm fairly sure law school classmates of mine post here as well.
Y'all need hobbies or something. I head paddle is the things sweatervests do nowadays. For the youngins...go see a star wars or download the tiktok.
Sorry Jake, I wasn’t implying that you where Chico. It was just a general question. Just wondering why Chico had multiple IDs.
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17 years of Catholic school warped me just fine. I think people change definitions around here of words way to easily to fit their POV. But let’s use the purgatory example...if I recall it is like a transitory period where one’s soul is purified before going to heaven. Look how many coaches took a long time before getting to that next heavenly level. Was Majerus delivering us hell at MU, but once he got out of here he delivered manna from heaven?
My goal was not to get into the semantics of the Roman Catholic definition of purgatory on a college basketball message board, but here we are - congratulations.
I simply meant it as between heaven and hell. Although your definition is, I suppose, technically correct.
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My goal was not to get into the semantics of the Roman Catholic definition of purgatory on a college basketball message board, but here we are - congratulations.
I simply meant it as between heaven and hell. Although your definition is, I suppose, technically correct.
5Dollar, I understand your post! Chico, has some kind of problem.
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Mu82 give you some coaching tips?
"Stick to golf"
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Sorry Jake, I wasn’t implying that you where Chico. It was just a general question. Just wondering why Chico had multiple IDs.
I don’t
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5Dollar, I understand your post! Chico, has some kind of problem.
Your posts since day one have been bizarre....did Wojo steal your girlfriend or something?
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I don’t
Multiple IDs with same IP and MAC Address. Explain that!
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Cheeks
I am not sure if you were serving one of your bans from Scoop last season or not but I was not excited with our top ten ranking last winter. I pointed out many times that it was fools gold and was proven right.
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Multiple IDs with same IP and MAC Address. Explain that!
MUScoop doesn't log MAC addresses. We do log your closest Arby's though.
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Cheeks
I am not sure if you were serving one of your bans from Scoop last season or not but I was not excited with our top ten ranking last winter. I pointed out many times that it was fools gold and was proven right.
I believe the top ten ranking last year was justified. That was a talented team. The frustrating and very telling part to me is the coach couldn’t handle the success and let it get away from him. The team was dysfunctional down the stretch, that was glaringly obvious. The coach couldn’t prevent it or fix it.
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Multiple IDs with same IP and MAC Address. Explain that!
Good try and you would be wrong....again. Nothing to explain. What else you got?
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I believe the top ten ranking last year was justified. That was a talented team. The frustrating and very telling part to me is the coach couldn’t handle the success and let it get away from him. The team was dysfunctional down the stretch, that was glaringly obvious. The coach couldn’t prevent it or fix it.
How could Wojo not handle the success? What does that even mean?
I think most of the problems of last year were injury and chemistry related mixed with the lack of adjustments which has been an issue with Wojo. (But he has clearly improved in that regard.) But I don’t think he buckled under pressure or anything like that.
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Cheeks isn’t posting under multiple IDs right now. He’s just carpet combing the place with one.
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Cheeks
I am not sure if you were serving one of your bans from Scoop last season or not but I was not excited with our top ten ranking last winter. I pointed out many times that it was fools gold and was proven right.
Goose
I love ya man, but I just checked your posts from January to February of last year before we played at Villanova and if that is “mailing it in” I don’t know wha5 to tell you. You were as excited as anyone here, predicting Markus would go Pro, predicting a 3 or better seed, etc. That’s why I was puzzled with your comment that you mailed it in during year four....but ok. I don’t believe your posts leading into that Nova game represent that in my opinion, or anything representing fool’s gold.....after we lost games...sure...but not leading up to it.
Just my opinion in reading them.
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I think this is the right summation for many. 2018-19 and 2019-20 were the years we were building toward, and the first one fizzled out badly (one win in our last 7 games) and this one is good but not great, which is what we were expecting. For me, I just want to feel like we have a solid chance to win the Big East, or the Big East Tournament or make a run in the tournament. The only time I've felt like that in 6 years was for a few weeks in Jan/early Feb last year. I am still not a fire Wojo guy, but last year's finish and the Hausers' subsequent exit took a lot of enthusiasm out of me.
I think this describes a lot of people. Mediocrity when you were expecting more is the worst. (And I mean Big East mediocrity before some pedant compares us to a mid major.)
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Cheeks isn’t posting under multiple IDs right now. He’s just carpet combing the place with one.
And I get early retirement in a few months with all kinds of extra time on my hands. Awesome...eh Sultan?
And I haven’t posted with multiple ids in years, but I love watching people’s heads explode thinking it happens. I hear Billy loves it, too.
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How could Wojo not handle the success? What does that even mean?
I think most of the problems of last year were injury and chemistry related mixed with the lack of adjustments which has been an issue with Wojo. (But he has clearly improved in that regard.) But I don’t think he buckled under pressure or anything like that.
What injuries? Don’t give me the freshmen wall and team being beat up BS. Every team goes through that. Those are Tower like excuses.
You are correct. Wojo has issues with lack of adjustments. The 2019 team was humming along and doing well. It’s the coach’s job to keep the team grounded and focused. Handling success is a thing, maybe you have never been successful or have always been able to handle it. Good for you. Anyway its beating a dead horse, hoping the team can get some more wins in conference this year.
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What injuries? Don’t give me the freshmen wall and team being beat up BS. Every team goes through that. Those are Tower like excuses.
You are correct. Wojo has issues with lack of adjustments. The 2019 team was humming along and doing well. It’s the coach’s job to keep the team grounded and focused. Handling success is a thing, maybe you have never been successful or have always been able to handle it. Good for you. Anyway its beating a dead horse, hoping the team can get some more wins in conference this year.
The inability to handle success is a thing. But that’s not what happened last year.
And Markus hurt his wrist late in the year last year. He wasn’t the same after that.
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What injuries? Don’t give me the freshmen wall and team being beat up BS. Every team goes through that. Those are Tower like excuses.
You are correct. Wojo has issues with lack of adjustments. The 2019 team was humming along and doing well. It’s the coach’s job to keep the team grounded and focused. Handling success is a thing, maybe you have never been successful or have always been able to handle it. Good for you. Anyway its beating a dead horse, hoping the team can get some more wins in conference this year.
Markus Howard injury wasn’t a huge thing last year with his wrist. I contend Elliott’s injury caused us depth issues.
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If Wojo left after this season, the perception of his era would depend entirely on how his replacement did. If the next hire ends up being our Jay Wright, his time will be viewed as a 6 year long fart in the wind. If the next hire ends up being another Dukiet, his time will be viewed more as "we didn't know how good we had it." Doubly so if Wojo is successful at another program.
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A quick thought for the NoJo crew here, particularly the students. We're all frustrated, but keep the boos (not the booze) out of the Fiserv, and spread the word if you've got buddies that boo. This is particularly true for Saturday, when we're hosting a five-star junior. The boos aren't going to change the minds of the decision-makers in Marquette's athletic department - they will evaluate Wojo based on their own criteria. However, the boos undoubtedly can have an impact on a highly talented high school kid who hears his potential future coach getting booed. It not only instills doubt about the coach's future, but it also makes you think twice about the student section you'll be playing in front of. There is no way to have a positive impact by booing the coach, but you can have a negative impact on the program when doing so with a high-level recruit in the house. Use your heads on this one.
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A quick thought for the NoJo crew here, particularly the students. We're all frustrated, but keep the boos (not the booze) out of the Fiserv, and spread the word if you've got buddies that boo. This is particularly true for Saturday, when we're hosting a five-star junior. The boos aren't going to change the minds of the decision-makers in Marquette's athletic department - they will evaluate Wojo based on their own criteria. However, the boos undoubtedly can have an impact on a highly talented high school kid who hears his potential future coach getting booed. It not only instills doubt about the coach's future, but it also makes you think twice about the student section you'll be playing in front of. There is no way to have a positive impact by booing the coach, but you can have a negative impact on the program when doing so with a high-level recruit in the house. Use your heads on this one.
Nice post.
Honestly, if I were Wojo, I'd listen this offseason. A portion of this fanbase has insanely high expectations that frankly aren't realistic. Marquette is a nice midwest program with a nice history that invests heavily in its basketball program. Its not a blue blood, or frankly even close. Its a top 25-30 program, with a largely entitled fanbase that think it should be perennial top 10 team. I too wish Wojo has had more success over his tenture, but I am not blind to the trajectory of the program based on hatred. The grass is not always greener, and I think losing Wojo would be a significant step back for the program for the foreseeable future. No thanks.
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A quick thought for the NoJo crew here, particularly the students. We're all frustrated, but keep the boos (not the booze) out of the Fiserv, and spread the word if you've got buddies that boo. This is particularly true for Saturday, when we're hosting a five-star junior. The boos aren't going to change the minds of the decision-makers in Marquette's athletic department - they will evaluate Wojo based on their own criteria. However, the boos undoubtedly can have an impact on a highly talented high school kid who hears his potential future coach getting booed. It not only instills doubt about the coach's future, but it also makes you think twice about the student section you'll be playing in front of. There is no way to have a positive impact by booing the coach, but you can have a negative impact on the program when doing so with a high-level recruit in the house. Use your heads on this one.
Were you one of the ballpark employees at that Astros game this weekend who took people’s signs away?
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with a largely entitled fanbase that think it should be perennial top 10 team.
Totally false. Because we haven’t had any real success under Wojo and fans are getting upset about it, the new narrative being pushed is that we’re “an entitled fan base.” You’re far from the only one saying it, but that doesn’t make it true.
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I'm not for censorship, I'm for intelligent thinking. Regardless of whether you want Wojo here or not, we all (I hope) can agree that we want what is best for the program. Students booing will not change whether he is here or not, so there is no "positive" impact for those who want him gone. If he's going to be here, wouldn't we rather that he is here with a strong group of players than can bring MU success? If we're looking for improvement, let's not cut the legs out from under the coaching staff.
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Nice post.
Honestly, if I were Wojo, I'd listen this offseason. A portion of this fanbase has insanely high expectations that frankly aren't realistic. Marquette is a nice midwest program with a nice history that invests heavily in its basketball program. Its not a blue blood, or frankly even close. Its a top 25-30 program, with a largely entitled fanbase that think it should be perennial top 10 team. I too wish Wojo has had more success over his tenture, but I am not blind to the trajectory of the program based on hatred. The grass is not always greener, and I think losing Wojo would be a significant step back for the program for the foreseeable future. No thanks.
I don't think this is true at all. Wojo hasnt had a year ending in the top 25 of Ken Pom. That's the problem. If you think MU is a top 25-30 program, it is different than the objectives the administration has shared with alums and donors. Even by that measure, Wojo hasnt achieved those results (again final Ken Pom).
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Nice post.
Honestly, if I were Wojo, I'd listen this offseason. A portion of this fanbase has insanely high expectations that frankly aren't realistic. Marquette is a nice midwest program with a nice history that invests heavily in its basketball program. Its not a blue blood, or frankly even close. Its a top 25-30 program, with a largely entitled fanbase that think it should be perennial top 10 team. I too wish Wojo has had more success over his tenture, but I am not blind to the trajectory of the program based on hatred. The grass is not always greener, and I think losing Wojo would be a significant step back for the program for the foreseeable future. No thanks.
We'll see how March shakes out, but I don't think Wojo's level of success thus far will be that difficult to replace. Obviously the next 30 days will tell us a lot.
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We'll see how March shakes out, but I don't think Wojo's level of success thus far will be that difficult to replace. Obviously the next 30 days will tell us a lot.
It depends how you measure success. If it's measured in NCAA tournament wins, you could literally hire anyone in America and they could replicate that number.
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I don't think this is true at all. Wojo hasnt had a year ending in the top 25 of Ken Pom. That's the problem. If you think MU is a top 25-30 program, it is different than the objectives the administration has shared with alums and donors. Even by that measure, Wojo hasnt achieved those results (again final Ken Pom).
I don't think Pomeroy is a good way to judge the success of a team/program.
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Nice post.
Honestly, if I were Wojo, I'd listen this offseason. A portion of this fanbase has insanely high expectations that frankly aren't realistic. Marquette is a nice midwest program with a nice history that invests heavily in its basketball program. Its not a blue blood, or frankly even close. Its a top 25-30 program, with a largely entitled fanbase that think it should be perennial top 10 team. I too wish Wojo has had more success over his tenture, but I am not blind to the trajectory of the program based on hatred. The grass is not always greener, and I think losing Wojo would be a significant step back for the program for the foreseeable future. No thanks.
This is so out of touch with reality. First, it is a very loyal fan base as seen in attendance. Second, fans pay pro money in a pro arena in the premiere basketball only conference. Third, MU administrations have been very patient in rewarding our coaches. Fourth, Scoop is a small sample of the MU fans and some of the most fanatic.
As the sixth year closes on this regime, this coach is a sub .500 in conference and poor versus Top 25 teams where a 30% or 40% winning percent would be considered very good, and with no NCAA wins. It’s not unreasonable to expect a little higher degree of success. While fans hope for Elite 8, they don’t expect it. But, they do expect that their coach can deliver our fair share of advanced success.
Let’s close out and keep the ball roll going here through the post-season.
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I love how this all falls on the fans. The University has made basketball their identity and incorporates basketball into nearly every touch point with alums and prospective students. It's not unreasonable then that fans get antsy when this oft celebrated and well funded entity has not been relevant in 6+ years.
No conference title,
No BET title,
No S16 (heck no NCAA win period)
It's year 7 of that drought.
How are fans supposed to act when the University puts basketball at the center of everything?
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I love how this all falls on the fans. The University has made basketball their identity and incorporates basketball into nearly every touch point with alums and prospective students. It's not unreasonable then that fans get antsy when this oft celebrated and well funded entity has not been relevant in 6+ years.
No conference title,
No BET title,
No S16 (heck no NCAA win period)
It's year 7 of that drought.
How are fans supposed to act when the University puts basketball at the center of everything?
Question why an institution of higher learning uses a sports program to fundraise
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I love how this all falls on the fans.
This doesn't all fall on the fans. I'm not saying the fans are responsible for creating an amazing atmosphere despite frustrations - that's your own decision. Just don't boo with a 16- or 17-year-old kid watching a game, deciding if he wants to come to MU. In other words, don't undermine the coaches' efforts to get better. Take a logical approach. I don't think that's making "this all fall on the fans."
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Nice post.
Honestly, if I were Wojo, I'd listen this offseason. A portion of this fanbase has insanely high expectations that frankly aren't realistic. Marquette is a nice midwest program with a nice history that invests heavily in its basketball program. Its not a blue blood, or frankly even close. Its a top 25-30 program, with a largely entitled fanbase that think it should be perennial top 10 team. I too wish Wojo has had more success over his tenture, but I am not blind to the trajectory of the program based on hatred. The grass is not always greener, and I think losing Wojo would be a significant step back for the program for the foreseeable future. No thanks.
It’s a weird phenomenon amongst the Projos to tell themselves that this is all our program is ever worth. Especially considering the tangible success brought to the program over the tenure of the previous couple coaches.
No one here expects perennial Top 10. We expect occasional runs in the tourney and occasional Big East regular season or tourney titles - or even championship game appearances.
The crowning achievement of the Wojo era thus far has been a regular season win in January. Stop selling this program short.
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Totally false. Because we haven’t had any real success under Wojo and fans are getting upset about it, the new narrative being pushed is that we’re “an entitled fan base.” You’re far from the only one saying it, but that doesn’t make it true.
Lol, you read this board daily? Its littered with entitlement! People were even complaining 2 weeks ago when MU was 17-6 (7-4) and ranked #18 in the nation despite the roster turnover. Fast forward 2 weeks and the earth is crumbling despite MU being 6/7 seed type team despite a 3 game losing streak.
I think its safe to say that its probably a small % of the overall fanbase that has the overly entitled attitude, but they can be heard quite clearly, especially here. I've only been to one game in Milwaukee this year (vs. Depaul) and the fans were booing Wojo. Its embarrassing.
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This doesn't all fall on the fans. I'm not saying the fans are responsible for creating an amazing atmosphere despite frustrations - that's your own decision. Just don't boo with a 16- or 17-year-old kid watching a game, deciding if he wants to come to MU. In other words, don't undermine the coaches' efforts to get better. Take a logical approach. I don't think that's making "this all fall on the fans."
Is anyone here advocating the booing of the players?
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Lol, you read this board daily? Its littered with entitlement! People were even complaining 2 weeks ago when MU was 17-6 (7-4) and ranked #18 in the nation despite the roster turnover. Fast forward 2 weeks and the earth is crumbling despite MU being 6/7 seed type team despite a 3 game losing streak.
I think its safe to say that its probably a small % of the overall fanbase that has the overly entitled attitude, but they can be heard quite clearly, especially here. I've only been to one game in Milwaukee this year (vs. Depaul) and the fans were booing Wojo. Its embarrassing.
Yes! Everyone should sit down, shut up, and accept their first round NCAA tourney appearances! We are lucky to be D1, honestly.
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It’s a weird phenomenon amongst the Projos to tell themselves that this is all our program is ever worth. Especially considering the tangible success brought to the program over the tenure of the previous couple coaches.
No one here expects perennial Top 10. We expect occasional runs in the tourney and occasional Big East regular season or tourney titles - or even championship game appearances.
The crowning achievement of the Wojo era thus far has been a regular season win in January. Stop selling this program short.
I am not selling anything short. I said Marquette is a top 25-30 program in the country. Which it is. I am far from a "Projo" and think the guy has some obvious weaknesses, but I also don't think all these high level coaches are banging down the door to come live in and recruit to Milwaukee. If Wojo moves on, it all likelihood we're starting over with another young and upcoming coach that likely will jump ship if he has sustained success. I legitimately think Wojo wants to and is building something here. Sure, its sucks that we haven't won an NCAA tourney game in his tenure, but the tournament is largely a crapshoot and I'm not judging his entire coaching resume on (to this point) 2 games. The recruiting has been good - next year's class is another nice one. I am excited about where the program is going and I personally am not losing my sh*t over a coach that will have taken MU to the dance 3/4 years here shortly, and the year he missed was 2 seed in the NIT.
I too want to see runs in the tourney, fighting for BE regular season crowns, etc. We all want the same thing. I think we can get there with this guy (again, he's put us in the tourney 3 of the last 4 years), and I am not dying to see this program rebuild again with the next up and comer that so many of you think will be the savior.
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Yes! Everyone should sit down, shut up, and accept their first round NCAA tourney appearances! We are lucky to be D1, honestly.
By all means, boo when prospects are visiting. How that’s productive is beyond me.
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Yes! Everyone should sit down, shut up, and accept their first round NCAA tourney appearances! We are lucky to be D1, honestly.
Yah, you should sit down and stop booing. You look/sound like an entitled fool.
I didn't say anything about being happy with current results and that I am just glad we're D1. Work on your reading comprehension.
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By all means, boo when prospects are visiting. How that’s productive is beyond me.
Marquette, where we build shrines to the players who quit on the team and boo the people that are working hard for the team
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Marquette, where we build shrines to the players who quit on the team and boo the people that are working hard for the team
That would make a great signature
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I'm not advocating for booing but calling fans entitled because they are sick of spending thousands of dollars annually on a program that hasn't added anything meaningful to its legacy in 6+ is ridiculous.
And I know, I could easily give up my 4 seats...but you know what, I would rather the team would instead do one of three things every few years:
Win a conf title
Win a BET
Make the 2nd weekend
Just ONE of those things every few years and I'm happy. It shows either sustained success over a season or the capability to rally together in March to create long lasting memories.
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I'm not advocating for booing but calling fans entitled because they are sick of spending thousands of dollars annually on a program that hasn't added anything meaningful to its legacy in 6+ is ridiculous.
And I know, I could easily give up my 4 seats...but you know what, I would rather the team would instead do one of three things every few years:
Win a conf title
Win a BET
Make the 2nd weekend
Just ONE of those things every few years and I'm happy. It shows either sustained success over a season or the capability to rally together in March to create long lasting memories.
Administration will take notice much faster at empty seats than booing
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This is so out of touch with reality. First, it is a very loyal fan base as seen in attendance. Second, fans pay pro money in a pro arena in the premiere basketball only conference. Third, MU administrations have been very patient in rewarding our coaches. Fourth, Scoop is a small sample of the MU fans and some of the most fanatic.
As the sixth year closes on this regime, this coach is a sub .500 in conference and poor versus Top 25 teams where a 30% or 40% winning percent would be considered very good, and with no NCAA wins. It’s not unreasonable to expect a little higher degree of success. While fans hope for Elite 8, they don’t expect it. But, they do expect that their coach can deliver our fair share of advanced success.
Let’s close out and keep the ball roll going here through the post-season.
I don't think your points are unfair. I think they're all legitimate concerns. You laid them out logically, and I mostly I agree. I'd be willing to bet you aren't one of the clowns booing our coach at our home games.
I never said the program should have no expectations. But we've had largely similar results the last 4 seasons as we did under Buzz, without the ncaa tournament success which is pretty much a crapshoot. FFS, the year were went the E8 we were incredibly fortunate to not lose in the first round to Davidson.
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We'll see how March shakes out, but I don't think Wojo's level of success thus far will be that difficult to replace. Obviously the next 30 days will tell us a lot.
What are we going to learn in the next 30 days that we haven't already learned? Sure I'd love to see us end with a 7 game win streak and E8 run, but it's really unlikely. What is likely is that we end right between the worst and the best predictions.
What's also likely is that Wojo will leave MU soon-ish anyway given the average coach either is fired after ~6.9 years, leaves after ~5.4, and resigns or retires after ~9 https://tinyurl.com/ul9pona (https://tinyurl.com/ul9pona). So to go with the title of the thread, his resume will be neither spectacular nor unspectacular.
I will say I don't get why some here fall in love with a coach in general because they're going to eventually leave and you will stay with the program, not the coach. That isn't free reign to be a jerk about it - Wojo isn't coming into your office and yelling "Fire you!" when you have a bad day or "You Moron!" when you get a bad grade on a test (not saying this to you LAZER, just saying it in general).
But that said I've dropped my expectations for MU under Wojo by quite a bit the last couple years, and while I don't like doing that I'm expecting the next month to go about in line with the last 4, and no huge leap forward the next couple years
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Damn there are some dumb motherf****rs in here today
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ts a top 25-30 program, with a largely entitled fanbase that think it should be perennial top 10 team.
This is so patently false.
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This is so patently false.
So then why has has a portion of the fanbase been calling for Wojo's head, booing him at games, being extremely negative towards anything about his coaching all season when this team was ranked inside the top 20 as recently as 2 days ago? Most of those same people were also pretty negative last season despite being ranked the majority of the season and getting a 5 seed in the ncaa tournament.
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I don't think your points are unfair. I think they're all legitimate concerns. You laid them out logically, and I mostly I agree. I'd be willing to bet you aren't one of the clowns booing our coach at our home games.
I never said the program should have no expectations. But we've had largely similar results the last 4 seasons as we did under Buzz, without the ncaa tournament success which is pretty much a crapshoot. FFS, the year were went the E8 we were incredibly fortunate to not lose in the first round to Davidson.
BUT that year of the famed Davidson miracle we went 14-4 in the toughest conference in the NCAA and won a share of the regular season title. So it wasn't some miraculous run to the E8, and that game was water finding its level more than anything.
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So then why has has a portion of the fanbase been calling for Wojo's head, booing him at games, being extremely negative towards anything about his coaching all season when this team was ranked inside the top 20 as recently as 2 days ago? Most of those same people were also pretty negative last season despite being ranked the majority of the season and getting a 5 seed in the ncaa tournament.
1) College kids can be dumbasses.
2) In that run of 5 of 6 there were a lot of positives mentioned about his coaching. Particularly changing up defense and coverages late in games. And learning to foul up three late.
3) You do remember how last season ended, right?
It's not unreasonable to want more than what we've seen. MU has an all-timer on it's roster and hasn't done crap with him. That's problematic.
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So then why has has a portion of the fanbase been calling for Wojo's head, booing him at games, being extremely negative towards anything about his coaching all season when this team was ranked inside the top 20 as recently as 2 days ago? Most of those same people were also pretty negative last season despite being ranked the majority of the season and getting a 5 seed in the ncaa tournament.
Simple: No BE regular season titles, no top 25 finishes, zero NCAA tournament wins in his first five seasons when the previous two guys did way more in their first five.
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It’s a weird phenomenon amongst the Projos to tell themselves that this is all our program is ever worth. Especially considering the tangible success brought to the program over the tenure of the previous couple coaches.
No one here expects perennial Top 10. We expect occasional runs in the tourney and occasional Big East regular season or tourney titles - or even championship game appearances.
The crowning achievement of the Wojo era thus far has been a regular season win in January. Stop selling this program short.
Lol. You say that now, but after the Final Four our fans were crapping all over Crean. It’s always about the bar and the elusive pursuit back to what one man did in a world that has changed DRAMATICALLY.
Being a top 25 to 35 program, making the tournament 4 of 5 years...we are pacing toward that next year, etc is not selling the program short UNLESS you anchor it to one period by one coach here almost 50 years ago.
Sure Crean had a moment, Buzz had a moment, they also came back to the mean as well. People don’t seem to remember those times or dismiss them with a pass.
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So then why has has a portion of the fanbase been calling for Wojo's head, booing him at games, being extremely negative towards anything about his coaching all season when this team was ranked inside the top 20 as recently as 2 days ago? Most of those same people were also pretty negative last season despite being ranked the majority of the season and getting a 5 seed in the ncaa tournament.
By saying this you’re implying that the next rung up the ladder for Wojo is perennial Top 10 team. Disingenuous to say the least.
There is a canyon of success between what Wojo has done and perennial Top 10 team.
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There is a canyon of success between what Wojo has done and perennial Top 10 team.
Yup. And I know we're on our way when I don't hear about how every team we play is a "bad matchup" for MU.
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I love how this all falls on the fans. The University has made basketball their identity and incorporates basketball into nearly every touch point with alums and prospective students. It's not unreasonable then that fans get antsy when this oft celebrated and well funded entity has not been relevant in 6+ years.
No conference title,
No BET title,
No S16 (heck no NCAA win period)
It's year 7 of that drought.
How are fans supposed to act when the University puts basketball at the center of everything?
It hardly falls all on the fans. It CAN and is one factor.
MU fans are really good, they can also get out of whack. I would say that about MKE fans in general. Wait until the sucks don’t win the title this year...oh the fun that will be.
MU hardly puts basketball at the center of everything...where is that even coming from?
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This thread is the scoop I’m here for. Excellent responses to this false narrative that MU has an entitled, unrealistic fan base.
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1) College kids can be dumbasses.
2) In that run of 5 of 6 there were a lot of positives mentioned about his coaching. Particularly changing up defense and coverages late in games. And learning to foul up three late.
3) You do remember how last season ended, right?
It's not unreasonable to want more than what we've seen. MU has an all-timer on it's roster and hasn't done crap with him. That's problematic.
I'll add, since Mack left Xavier, there's a pretty wide open window for another program to jump up in the conference pecking order and establish itself behind Villanova. At times the past two seasons, it seemed like MU could be that program. Unfortunately, it also looks increasingly likely it will be another missed opportunity.
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This thread is the scoop I’m here for. Excellent responses to this false narrative that MU has an entitled, unrealistic fan base.
It's the same arguments over and over again all season.
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Yup. And I know we're on our way when I don't hear about how every team we play is a "bad matchup" for MU.
Correct...shouldn't it be about MU being a bad match up for them against every team they play?? Isn't that what we should want other teams's fans to think/feel, like so many MU fans do with us?? Shouldn't it be about getting to the point that you feel you have a LEGIT chance to compete for a conference title almost every year(that doesn't mean you will win it every year)?? Shouldn't it be about when you get a little taste of success(ie being ranked or whatever), that you sustain it for a period of time, rather then lose it right away?? Shouldn't it mostly be about giving your fans reason for hope that after 6 years your program isn't just a "fart in the wind" to most other fans nationally??
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It hardly falls all on the fans. It CAN and is one factor.
MU fans are really good, they can also get out of whack. I would say that about MKE fans in general. Wait until the sucks don’t win the title this year...oh the fun that will be.
MU hardly puts basketball at the center of everything...where is that even coming from?
Wow, are you 10 years old?
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Marquette, where we build shrines to the players who quit on the team and boo the people that are working hard for the team
Yup...it is amazing
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BUT that year of the famed Davidson miracle we went 14-4 in the toughest conference in the NCAA and won a share of the regular season title. So it wasn't some miraculous run to the E8, and that game was water finding its level more than anything.
More like Davidson pissing themselves....but the point is that despite being 14-4 it took a miracle to win that first round game...one team who was near the of the nation in FT shooting shot horrendously for them, coughed up a major turnover, and of course we made some great shots...what you do in the regular season means not much in the tournament. UMBC UVA
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More like Davidson pissing themselves....but the point is that despite being 14-4 it took a miracle to win that first round game...one team who was near the of the nation in FT shooting shot horrendously for them, coughed up a major turnover, and of course we made some great shots...what you do in the regular season means not much in the tournament. UMBC UVA
Obvious biases are obvious
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Administration will take notice much faster at empty seats than booing
It would be nice if we heard ANYTHING from the administration. Two starters walkout the door following an utter collapse to end the season and no one above Wojo has a comment. That shows an indifference to the fans, alums, donors and STH's.
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More like Davidson pissing themselves....but the point is that despite being 14-4 it took a miracle to win that first round game...one team who was near the of the nation in FT shooting shot horrendously for them, coughed up a major turnover, and of course we made some great shots...what you do in the regular season means not much in the tournament. UMBC UVA
And if Davidson didn't "piss themselves" we'd still have a regular season co-championship banner to hang. And we had two S16s the two years before. Buzz went into Davidson with house money. He could afford the crapshoot.
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What are we going to learn in the next 30 days that we haven't already learned? Sure I'd love to see us end with a 7 game win streak and E8 run, but it's really unlikely. What is likely is that we end right between the worst and the best predictions.
Let's say they win 3 of the next 4, win one or maybe two in NYC, and then win one tournament game and lose one. I think that falls in line with everybody's expectations heading into the season. And then ask yourself, how many programs are firing a coach after making the tourney 3/4 years (with decent seeds) and a solid conference record?
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It would be nice if we heard ANYTHING from the administration. Two starters walkout the door following an utter collapse to end the season and no one above Wojo has a comment. That shows an indifference to the fans, alums, donors and STH's.
They are indifferent. Wojo serves pancakes at midnight to students during Finals Week in the AMU. He and Lovell make for a nice front cover of MU Magazine. He goes to Church and has kids and lives in the North Shore and plays golf with the BOT. That’s the stuff they care about. Not winning basketball games, hanging banners, etc.
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So, I hope this isn't controversial, but I think the tangent of this thread was all because someone asked the fans not to boo when we have a highly ranked recruit in the arena.
Can we agree that's a bad idea?
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This thread is the scoop I’m here for. Excellent responses to this false narrative that MU has an entitled, unrealistic fan base.
I wonder why some of our former coaches said that then. Weird
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So, I hope this isn't controversial, but I think the tangent of this thread was all because someone asked the fans not to boo when we have a highly ranked recruit in the arena.
Can we agree that's a bad idea?
Agree. It’s not something I’d do or be comfortable doing regardless of recruits being there or not.
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They are indifferent. Wojo serves pancakes at midnight to students during Finals Week in the AMU. He and Lovell make for a nice front cover of MU Magazine. He goes to Church and has kids and lives in the North Shore and plays golf with the BOT. That’s the stuff they care about. Not winning basketball games, hanging banners, etc.
They obviously care about winning basketball games and hanging banners - I don't think many university presidents tweet more about their basketball teams than ours. But it is my guess that they would trade 3 of four NCAA tourney appearances and no Chicago Tribune appearances for non-sports-related allegations over NCAA appearances every year with less regard for the university's reputation. It's actually pretty remarkable (knock on wood) that there have been zero reports of major off-the-court issues over six years under Wojo. That probably holds a lot more weight for the administration than it does for the casual fan.
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I believe it was Vander Blue who loved the fact that opponents would look at the schedule and mutter to themselves on seeing Marquette, "Sh1t...we are playing those guys..."
Now, those same opponents exclaim, "Sh1t! We are playing those guys!"
Thanks, Wojo. Ending opponent losing streaks six years running
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I believe it was Vander Blue who loved the fact that opponents would look at the schedule and mutter to themselves on seeing Marquette, "Sh1t...we are playing those guys..."
Now, those same opponents exclaim, "Sh1t! We are playing those guys!"
Well statements like this - not based on facts - don't help anyone.
Thanks, Wojo. Ending opponent losing streaks six years running
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It would be nice if we heard ANYTHING from the administration. Two starters walkout the door following an utter collapse to end the season and no one above Wojo has a comment. That shows an indifference to the fans, alums, donors and STH's.
Quirky thing called privacy laws
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Obvious biases are obvious
Just repeating what their fanbase said and some journalists. Also what every one of our fans would have said if we lost or if the other team was ND, Wisconsin....the word choke would be out in nanoseconds. Thrilled we won, went crazy when we did...glad they pissed themselves and we took advantage of it.
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So, I hope this isn't controversial, but I think the tangent of this thread was all because someone asked the fans not to boo when we have a highly ranked recruit in the arena.
Can we agree that's a bad idea?
Again, has anyone here suggested that fans do so?
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Just repeating what their fanbase said and some journalists. Also what every one of our fans would have said if we lost or if the other team was ND, Wisconsin....the word choke would be out in nanoseconds. Thrilled we won, went crazy when we did...glad they pissed themselves and we took advantage of it.
Words you’d never utter if that team was coached by someone other than Buzz
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So, I hope this isn't controversial, but I think the tangent of this thread was all because someone asked the fans not to boo when we have a highly ranked recruit in the arena.
Can we agree that's a bad idea?
How else can the aggrieved parties of the injustice of these basketball atrocities be able to show their discontent?
Yes, it a horrible idea which is why some will do it anyway.
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It would be nice if we heard ANYTHING from the administration. Two starters walkout the door following an utter collapse to end the season and no one above Wojo has a comment. That shows an indifference to the fans, alums, donors and STH's.
You want the university president issuing public statements on the transfer of a couple of basketball players?
Oh, boy.
Seriously, has this ever happened anywhere?
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Any y'all got bigger fish ta fry, hey?
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Any y'all got bigger fish ta fry, hey?
Fish Fry is on Friday
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Again, has anyone here suggested that fans do so?
I haven't seen anyone encourage booing (well, maybe a couple wacko posters in other threads), but certainly there has been reports of booing. I think the idea to was spread the message that it's stoopid, a big recruit will be in the arena, and you shouldn't do it. Spread it around...
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Any y'all got bigger fish ta fry, hey?
The fishing thread is over in the Superbar.
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Again, has anyone here suggested that fans do so?
The presumption from the initial post is that some of those booing may be on this board or, at a minimum, may end up sitting next to people on this board. Since they obviously seem to be passionate about MU hoops, I figured this would be a good place to comment.
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Thrilled we won
Sure you were. Anyway, I’m glad the “our fans are entitled arseholes” straw man you started has picked up steam. It’s very similar to last year’s “people are rooting against Marquette” narrative. Just more BS to distract from what’s actually happening on the court.
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Sure you were. Anyway, I’m glad the “our fans are entitled arseholes” straw man you started has picked up steam. It’s very similar to last year’s “people are rooting against Marquette” narrative. Just more BS to distract from what’s actually happening on the court.
Yep. Cheeken Little bloviating in the wind.
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It would be nice if we heard ANYTHING from the administration. Two starters walkout the door following an utter collapse to end the season and no one above Wojo has a comment. That shows an indifference to the fans, alums, donors and STH's.
What would you have liked them to say? Serious question. Putting the coach on notice publicly to appease a segment of the fan base and alumni would be pretty stupid, imo
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Sure you were. Anyway, I’m glad the “our fans are entitled arseholes” straw man you started has picked up steam. It’s very similar to last year’s “people are rooting against Marquette” narrative. Just more BS to distract from what’s actually happening on the court.
Anyone who is dissatisfied with the current state of MU Hoops is an entitled arsehole who cheers against the team. And they hate puppies.
-Tower,Wades,Cheeks,etc
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Sure you were. Anyway, I’m glad the “our fans are entitled arseholes” straw man you started has picked up steam. It’s very similar to last year’s “people are rooting against Marquette” narrative. Just more BS to distract from what’s actually happening on the court.
Go back and check the posts from that day....ask my work associates....ask a dear friend at Fox is a VP and a Davidson graduate....but hey, why mess with your agenda.
Some of our fans are arseholes....there is a reason we have the reputation we do. I’m sorry that ruffles your Golden Eagle feathers.
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Yep. Cheeken Little bloviating in the wind.
What has “actually” happened on the court other than we would be in the NCAA tournament if it started today. What am I distracting from?
LOL
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Anyone who is dissatisfied with the current state of MU Hoops is an entitled arsehole who cheers against the team. And they hate puppies.
-Tower,Wades,Cheeks,etc
It isn’t fair to lump all NoJos as entitled. There is certainly a segment of the fan base/alums that think Al McGuire Marquette is the expectation/norm not the outlier despite history saying otherwise.
Wojo gets dumped on as much as Crean and Buzz did. Probably more. They all have one thing in common and it’s they aren’t Al McGuire.
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What has “actually” happened on the court other than we would be in the NCAA tournament if it started today. What am I distracting from?
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That’s just the thing. What has happened on the court? I’m not sure. What has happened on the court during Wojo’s tenure (minus one day in January 2017) that anyone will remember even 5 years from today?
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Chico,
Why do you enjoying "stirring the pot"?
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Let's say they win 3 of the next 4, win one or maybe two in NYC, and then win one tournament game and lose one. I think that falls in line with everybody's expectations heading into the season. And then ask yourself, how many programs are firing a coach after making the tourney 3/4 years (with decent seeds) and a solid conference record?
1) I am not sure that falls in line with expectations - in Tower's preseason poll https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=59180.0 (https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=59180.0), 57% had us winning 24 games in the reg season so at least a good deal of Scoopers would feel underwhelmed by a bit
2) We aren't going to fire him in that or almost any other scenario BUT looking at the article I posted earlier there will be at least 1 or 2 coaches fired this year with better resumes than Wojo
3) 1 vs 0 NCAA wins still doesn't change the overall resume that it is neither spectacular nor unspectacular
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1) I am not sure that falls in line with expectations - in Tower's preseason poll https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=59180.0 (https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=59180.0), 57% had us winning 24 games in the reg season so at least a good deal of Scoopers would feel underwhelmed by a bit
2) We aren't going to fire him in that or almost any other scenario BUT looking at the article I posted earlier there will be at least 1 or 2 coaches fired this year with better resumes than Wojo
3) 1 vs 0 NCAA wins still doesn't change the overall resume that it is neither spectacular nor unspectacular
If they finish with wins in 3/4, the win total will be short of 24, but they'll be in comfortably - so it's at least close to expectations, but I don't think many pegged this team as a real solid S16 contender. Also, who are the coaches you're referencing?
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By saying this you’re implying that the next rung up the ladder for Wojo is perennial Top 10 team. Disingenuous to say the least.
There is a canyon of success between what Wojo has done and perennial Top 10 team.
Marquette spent most of last season in the top 25, and while we haven't been ranked much this year, we've pretty obviously been a top 30 or so team. So while I think there is a pretty big gap between backend top 25 and a perennial top 10 team, Marquette has mostly been a pretty good (but flawed) team the last 2 seasons. Yet here we are - with a significant portion of the fan base with pitchforks calling for the coaches head. Sounds pretty entitled to me.
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Marquette spent most of last season in the top 25, and while we haven't been ranked much this year, we've pretty obviously been a top 30 or so team. So while I think there is a pretty big gap between backend top 25 and a perennial top 10 team, Marquette has mostly been a pretty good (but flawed) team the last 2 seasons. Yet here we are - with a significant portion of the fan base with pitchforks calling for the coaches head. Sounds pretty entitled to me.
J5 - it is an absolute canyon. If there were MU fans expecting perennial Top 10, I would agree that is entitled and out of touch with reality.
Another symptom of ProJos that I’ve noticed through your post: they love to capture the brief high points of Wojo’s tenure and extrapolate them as if they represent his entire tenure. Sure - we were ranked for several weeks last year and Top 15 for about 2 weeks. But did we end there? Have we been there any other season? Have we ever shown that kind of success consistently? Have we ever rewarded the pollsters for moving us up or into the rankings? The answer has been a resounding “no”.
I would be able to stomach Wojo if we were consistently (60-70% of the time) ranked 15-25. Which would inevitably lead to high enough seeds that we would be favored or a push to go to the Sweet 16. Those are my expectations for the program in the long-term.
But that’s not what he’s built. You and the other ProJos need to stop purporting that as fact.
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J5 - it is an absolute canyon. If there were MU fans expecting perennial Top 10, I would agree that is entitled and out of touch with reality.
Another symptom of ProJos that I’ve noticed through your post: they love to capture the brief high points of Wojo’s tenure and extrapolate them as if they represent his entire tenure. Sure - we were ranked for several weeks last year and Top 15 for about 2 weeks. But did we end there? Have we been there any other season? Have we ever shown that kind of success consistently? Have we ever rewarded the pollsters for moving us up or into the rankings? The answer has been a resounding “no”.
I would be able to stomach Wojo if we were consistently (60-70% of the time) ranked 15-25. Which would inevitably lead to high enough seeds that we would be favored or a push to go to the Sweet 16. Those are my expectations for the program in the long-term.
But that’s not what he’s built. You and the other ProJos need to stop purporting that as fact.
You make some good points IMHO and some less-good points. Cool. We all do.
However, you also do here exactly what you accuse Projos of doing when you say:
Have we ever rewarded the pollsters for moving us up or into the rankings? The answer has been a resounding “no”.
Last season, pollsters ranked us for the first time after we beat Wisconsin, putting us at 20. We then "rewarded" them by winning 11 of our next 12 games. They, in turn, "rewarded" us by gradually moving us up -- to 18, 16, 15, 12, 10. Each time they moved us up, we "rewarded" them again by winning more.
Not only did you refuse to acknowledge this mutual "rewarding," but you explicitly said it didn't happen.
Otherwise, yes, Wojo hasn't won as much as most of us wish he would have. Most Projos I have had discussions with would agree with that ... while also saying we wouldn't have fired him for his results so far.
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I'll add, since Mack left Xavier, there's a pretty wide open window for another program to jump up in the conference pecking order and establish itself behind Villanova. At times the past two seasons, it seemed like MU could be that program. Unfortunately, it also looks increasingly likely it will be another missed opportunity.
I remember when this new big east was formed and Marquette was a flagship program of it.
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I remember when this new big east was formed and Marquette was a flagship program of it.
Those were the days. But just to clarify, it was Buzz that knocked us off that pedestal, not Wojo.
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J5 - it is an absolute canyon. If there were MU fans expecting perennial Top 10, I would agree that is entitled and out of touch with reality.
Another symptom of ProJos that I’ve noticed through your post: they love to capture the brief high points of Wojo’s tenure and extrapolate them as if they represent his entire tenure. Sure - we were ranked for several weeks last year and Top 15 for about 2 weeks. But did we end there? Have we been there any other season? Have we ever shown that kind of success consistently? Have we ever rewarded the pollsters for moving us up or into the rankings? The answer has been a resounding “no”.
I would be able to stomach Wojo if we were consistently (60-70% of the time) ranked 15-25. Which would inevitably lead to high enough seeds that we would be favored or a push to go to the Sweet 16. Those are my expectations for the program in the long-term.
But that’s not what he’s built. You and the other ProJos need to stop purporting that as fact.
Curious - how long have you been a Marquette fan? What year did you graduate?
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I haven't seen anyone encourage booing (well, maybe a couple wacko posters in other threads), but certainly there has been reports of booing. I think the idea to was spread the message that it's stoopid, a big recruit will be in the arena, and you shouldn't do it. Spread it around...
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Curious - how long have you been a Marquette fan? What year did you graduate?
Graduated during the early Wojo days. Born and raised in the city and parents went so cheering since birth.
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Curious - how long have you been a Marquette fan? What year did you graduate?
Not sure you know, but you do not have to be a MU grad to be a MU basketball fan
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Not sure you know, but you do not have to be a MU grad to be a MU basketball fan
Sure, but I asked how long he had been a fan as well. I would think that encapsulates non grad fans.
Graduated during the early Wojo days. Born and raised in the city and parents went so cheering since birth.
Gotcha.
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Graduated during the early Wojo days. Born and raised in the city and parents went so cheering since birth.
The true dark days of Marquette basketball, no NCAA wins.... did you boycott the NIT games at the AL in protest?
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What would you have liked them to say? Serious question. Putting the coach on notice publicly to appease a segment of the fan base and alumni would be pretty stupid, imo
"We all understand that Marquette fans have come to expect a certain amount of NCAA expectations AND we know that the money we invest in the program is unprecedented in our conference; that being said we see the inner workings and we know Steve and his staff are best positioned to deliver on this success"
Just acknowledge that there are expectations bc honestly it feels like there aren't any.
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1) I am not sure that falls in line with expectations - in Tower's preseason poll https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=59180.0 (https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=59180.0), 57% had us winning 24 games in the reg season so at least a good deal of Scoopers would feel underwhelmed by a bit
2) We aren't going to fire him in that or almost any other scenario BUT looking at the article I posted earlier there will be at least 1 or 2 coaches fired this year with better resumes than Wojo
3) 1 vs 0 NCAA wins still doesn't change the overall resume that it is neither spectacular nor unspectacular
On #1, I'd argue the Big East is much better than most thought it would be preseason. So yes, most expected more BE wins, but also didn't know the BE would be as good as it is.
That said, at this point I'd still prefer 2 more BE wins, but alas it didn't happen.
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"We all understand that Marquette fans have come to expect a certain amount of NCAA expectations AND we know that the money we invest in the program is unprecedented in our conference; that being said we see the inner workings and we know Steve and his staff are best positioned to deliver on this success"
Just acknowledge that there are expectations bc honestly it feels like there aren't any.
"words to appease fanbase and tell them they're special"
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"We all understand that Marquette fans have come to expect a certain amount of NCAA expectations AND we know that the money we invest in the program is unprecedented in our conference; that being said we see the inner workings and we know Steve and his staff are best positioned to deliver on this success"
Just acknowledge that there are expectations bc honestly it feels like there aren't any.
Huh? Unprecedented in our conference? We aren't even in #1 in our conference. And once you factor in that we have to rent our home stadium we end up being more like 5th or 6th.
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Wojo will be run out of town eventually. Should have already happened but his clean cut plain vanilla style has kept him off the chopping block because he is without scandal. Unless you consider zero tourney wins and blown rankings in the later half of seasons scandalous.......which you should
#wojohasnomojo
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Huh? Unprecedented in our conference? We aren't even in #1 in our conference. And once you factor in that we have to rent our home stadium we end up being more like 5th or 6th.
Lol
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"We all understand that Marquette fans have come to expect a certain amount of NCAA expectations AND we know that the money we invest in the program is unprecedented in our conference; that being said we see the inner workings and we know Steve and his staff are best positioned to deliver on this success"
Just acknowledge that there are expectations bc honestly it feels like there aren't any.
Look at me, I’m SPECIAL!
You are a child.
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Huh? Unprecedented in our conference? We aren't even in #1 in our conference. And once you factor in that we have to rent our home stadium we end up being more like 5th or 6th.
Georgetown, Creighton, SJU, Nova, Seton Hall, DePaul, PC and MU all pay rent for all or part of their games. Only Creighton outdraws MU. I wonder who generates the most profit? Marquette charges a lot more per seat than Creighton.
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Georgetown, Creighton, SJU, Nova, Seton Hall, DePaul, PC and MU all pay rent for all or part of their games. Only Creighton outdraws MU. I wonder who generates the most profit? Marquette charges a lot more per seat than Creighton.
It's not MU. Renting an NBA stadium for every game is a different animal than renting the dunk or wells Fargo for a couple of games
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It's not MU. Renting an NBA stadium for every game is a different animal than renting the dunk or wells Fargo for a couple of games
The Dunk is PC's only arena. All PC games are played there.
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Above and beyond the dribble that fills most of this thread, we have a genuine debate that is actually interesting.
Many of us have accepted it as fact that Marquette spends more on basketball than anybody in the BEast and ranks right up there nationally. Now, this isn't true? Isn't paying rent for games at Fiserv part of spending on basketball?
Isn't there any real data available to support various arguments?
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Above and beyond the dribble that fills most of this thread, we have a genuine debate that is actually interesting.
Many of us have accepted it as fact that Marquette spends more on basketball than anybody in the BEast and ranks right up there nationally. Now, this isn't true? Isn't paying rent for games at Fiserv part of spending on basketball?
Isn't there any real data available to support various arguments?
It all depends on how the numbers are allocated. Jay Bee can give a much more accurate answer than me, but it depends on how the expenses are allocated. Does it go to the basketball team? Does the school allocate the costs to a football team? Are some considered general education expenses?
Same as how the Brewers crying poor based on operating loss is BS.
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The Dunk is PC's only arena. All PC games are played there.
Im aware. But I can see how I wrote it is confusing. Not sure the proper way to grammatically write that sentence
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It all depends on how the numbers are allocated. Jay Bee can give a much more accurate answer than me, but it depends on how the expenses are allocated. Does it go to the basketball team? Does the school allocate the costs to a football team? Are some considered general education expenses?
Same as how the Brewers crying poor based on operating loss is BS.
This, so many school can bury the accounting. MU is pretty straight forward, you can very easily see how they allocate dollars in the AD budget. Some schools bury the coaches salary with low base and augment it with university sponsored camps, deferred compensation, etc. It makes it hard to understand exactly how much some coaches are getting paid and how much is being spent on each sport.
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Look at me, I’m SPECIAL!
You are a child.
Seems like something GM's / Owners / AD's do all the time.
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I'll take away just how many entitled, whiny children exist in the fanbase. Very Notre Damish.
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Huh? Unprecedented in our conference? We aren't even in #1 in our conference. And once you factor in that we have to rent our home stadium we end up being more like 5th or 6th.
What are the actual numbers here? And who is in front of MU in the BE?
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It's not MU. Renting an NBA stadium for every game is a different animal than renting the dunk or wells Fargo for a couple of games
I guess my question is who do we feel is the most profitable? Who is ahead of MU? I am not debating, just curious. I thought Creighton, but then I looked at the season ticket packages and MU charges a lot more. I assume MU’s rent is higher at FF than CHI, but still Creighton pays rent for 100% of their games, although their seating capacity is higher.
As to Nova, yeah they only have a few games at WF, but their rent will be by the drink, and they have a lot less income playing on campus. But NCAA credits may put them over the top.
So, that leaves Xavier and Butler, but they have capital expenses to run and maintain their arenas that MU doesn’t have. DePaul has a sweet deal but they have attendance minimums that they are not close to hitting.
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I guess my question is who do we feel is the most profitable? Who is ahead of MU? I am not debating, just curious. I thought Creighton, but then I looked at the season ticket packages and MU charges a lot more. I assume MU’s rent is higher at FF than CHI, but still Creighton pays rent for 100% of their games, although their seating capacity is higher.
As to Nova, yeah they only have a few games at WF, but their rent will be by the drink, and they have a lot less income playing on campus. But NCAA credits may put them over the top.
So, that leaves Xavier and Butler, but they have capital expenses to run and maintain their arenas that MU doesn’t have. DePaul has a sweet deal but they have attendance minimums that they are not close to hitting.
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Depaul has attendance minimums?
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I wonder why some of our former coaches said that then. Weird
Next coach who utters a comment that isn't self serving will be the first. Besides, every person on Earth complains about their job at one time or another, usually all aspects, and about their previous jobs, too. Coaches happen to have people who write their complaints down and publish them. Such comments do not interest me because the speaker would likely say something completely different an hour later.
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So, I hope this isn't controversial, but I think the tangent of this thread was all because someone asked the fans not to boo when we have a highly ranked recruit in the arena.
Can we agree that's a bad idea?
Can't argue with that.
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Guru:
Pitcher:
Willie:
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every person on Earth complains about their job at one time or another
I can honestly say that flying tactical fighters was completely without complaint.
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So, I hope this isn't controversial, but I think the tangent of this thread was all because someone asked the fans not to boo when we have a highly ranked recruit in the arena.
Can we agree that's a bad idea?
Good job everyone. So proud of you twats ::)
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Huh? Unprecedented in our conference? We aren't even in #1 in our conference. And once you factor in that we have to rent our home stadium we end up being more like 5th or 6th.
I don't believe this.
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I can honestly say that flying tactical fighters was completely without complaint.
LOL