COVID-19 (f/k/a "the Coronavirus")

[4everwarriors]

All dis chit iz politics, aina?

[ZiggysFryBoy]

I'm guessing self-reported (it was a poll), so yes, grain of salt.

The only thing I could find on NBC's website said 1000 likely voters, 600 non-landline.  No other sampling or other demographic info.

Shaker of salt, hey?

[real chili 83]

NM

[dgies9156]

That time when dgies accidentally called for vaccination mandates.

What about my fraud example? You OK with "Your government is not protecting the stupid's right to be stupid" when that stupid person gets tangled in a pyramid scheme or believes their grandchild is locked up in a Guatemalan jail?

Brother Pakuni:

You make me sound like a reactionary conservative. I'm really not, as much as a pragmatist. It's not like personal ethics, where absolute moral values clash with situationalism. Here, I'm declaring this a Dr. Beach-free zone!

This isn't either an ethical or moral issue: It's common sense and therefore I'm less worried about the precedent.

That said, my philosophy for what it's worth is this:

You're right, Your risk!

You can choose to be stupid. But your idiocy has consequences. Like, not being able to enter certain buildings, stores and public places. Like not being able to fly, ride a train or Mass Transit. And, if you're stupid after, say November 1, 2021, then the government should tell the world Medicare and Medicaid won't cover the cost of getting sick from Covid and private insurance can "opt out." of covering Covid-19 illness in non-vaccinated persons.

My governor has opposed vaccine passports. It's a strange hill for him to die on, since it assures the stupid are treated for what they are -- stupid. It means that certain governors who again are threatening dire actions (aka, Illinois) doesn't have to.

The answer is so clear. We spent billions on behalf of all of us. Take advantage of one of the few efficient government programs and GET VACCINATED.

Don't be stupid!

P.S. -- I watch American Greed and see way too much of the fraud for which you address. While I want the perpetrators arrested, there is a part of me that says, "my God, how can someone be so stupid!" My morality says, "you don't steal from the stupid," but you gotta wonder sometimes whether the story is really the story!

[Jockey]

That said, my philosophy for what it's worth is this:

You're right, Your risk!

You can choose to be stupid. But your idiocy has consequences. Like, not being able to enter certain buildings, stores and public places. Like not being able to fly, ride a train or Mass Transit. And, if you're stupid after, say November 1, 2021, then the government should tell the world Medicare and Medicaid won't cover the cost of getting sick from Covid and private insurance can "opt out." of covering Covid-19 illness in non-vaccinated persons.

My governor has opposed vaccine passports. It's a strange hill for him to die on, since it assures the stupid are treated for what they are -- stupid. It means that certain governors who again are threatening dire actions (aka, Illinois) doesn't have to.

The answer is so clear. We spent billions on behalf of all of us. Take advantage of one of the few efficient government programs and GET VACCINATED.

Don't be stupid!

As a well left of center Lib, I agree.

Free country. Free choices. Deal with the consequences of those choices.

[The Lens]

You lay out a good case DG but so much of what's important is what's not said.  Take DeSantis, he isn't just some crusader for liberty*.  If he was, he be begging people to get vaccinated on their own or wear masks where necessary. Instead he stays quiet on these issues as he knows his base hates to hear about them.  He also stays quiet when supportive press (like Tucker Carlson) introduce vaccine conspiracies.  You can support liberty while also telling Tucker to shut up the vaccines are safe.  His silence makes him complicit.  At least Asa Hutchinson has expressed regret over base appealing policies that have misfired. 


*to say nothing about how anti GOP it is to try and force policy on private enterprise. 

[dgies9156]

You lay out a good case DG but so much of what's important is what's not said.  DeSantis isn't just some crusader for liberty*.  If he was he be begging people to get vaccinated on their own or wear masks where necessary. Instead he stay quiet on these issues that he knows his base hates to hear about.  He also stays quiet when supportive press (like Tucker Carlson) introduce vaccine conspiracies.  You can support liberty while also telling Tucker to shut up the vaccines are safe.  His silence makes him complicit.  At least Asa Hutchinson has expressed regret over base appealing policies that have misfired. 


*to say nothing about how anti GOP it is to try and force policy on private enterprise.

Brother Lens:

Don't know if you live in Florida or not. I do, a good hunk of the year. I actually have heard my Governor advocate for vaccinations. He was a leader in setting the allocation process for "seniors First," because that segment of our population, which is significant (just watch all the errant blinkers on any Florida highway, if you don't believe me), also is the most vulnerable to the disease. You didn't see a whole lot of people under 70 dying in Florida, unless they had underlying conditions.

DeSantis made sure the seniors and folks with underlying medical conditions were 1 and 1A in the line for vaccine. And yes, he pushed it to our citizenry.

He was on television earlier this year (I live in the Palm Beach television market) regularly pushing the vaccine.

I'll admit, I'm not sure Charlie Crist or Nikki Fried (the two Democrats likely to run for governor against DeSantis) would have done any different, other than to shut the state down a la Illinois or New York. But to suggest DeSantis didn't advocate vaccination is wrong. It's something that's coming from outside the state by folks who have an agenda of loathing of anything Florida.

[MU82]

What DeSantis also has done, in the finest big-government, appeal-to-the-base way, is undermine the efforts of private businesses that want to protect their employees and customers from a deadly, highly contagious virus - one that is killing Floridians and filling ICU beds.

[The Sultan]

Yeah, "I want you to get vaccinated, but I don't want you to be punished if you don't actually get vaccinated," isn't really a pro-vaccination stance.

[jesmu84]

Brother Pakuni:

You make me sound like a reactionary conservative. I'm really not, as much as a pragmatist. It's not like personal ethics, where absolute moral values clash with situationalism. Here, I'm declaring this a Dr. Beach-free zone!

This isn't either an ethical or moral issue: It's common sense and therefore I'm less worried about the precedent.

That said, my philosophy for what it's worth is this:

You're right, Your risk!

You can choose to be stupid. But your idiocy has consequences. Like, not being able to enter certain buildings, stores and public places. Like not being able to fly, ride a train or Mass Transit. And, if you're stupid after, say November 1, 2021, then the government should tell the world Medicare and Medicaid won't cover the cost of getting sick from Covid and private insurance can "opt out." of covering Covid-19 illness in non-vaccinated persons.

My governor has opposed vaccine passports. It's a strange hill for him to die on, since it assures the stupid are treated for what they are -- stupid. It means that certain governors who again are threatening dire actions (aka, Illinois) doesn't have to.

The answer is so clear. We spent billions on behalf of all of us. Take advantage of one of the few efficient government programs and GET VACCINATED.

Don't be stupid!

P.S. -- I watch American Greed and see way too much of the fraud for which you address. While I want the perpetrators arrested, there is a part of me that says, "my God, how can someone be so stupid!" My morality says, "you don't steal from the stupid," but you gotta wonder sometimes whether the story is really the story!

This seems like a 180 from your OP today where you said you didn't want the government telling you what to do.

[dgies9156]

This is a 180 from your OP today where you said you didn't want the government telling you what to do or going to extreme measures to contain the virus.

Afraid not, dude. I don't want our government taking preemptive actions against a vaccinated population. I'm rather suggesting you have a choice, but there are consequences of your actions.

I have no problem with the government NOT DOING ANYTHING on either the Covid-19 control restrictions for the stupidly unvaccinated or forcing the vaccination on stupid people. In the case of airlines, for example, let the carriers decide whether or not to carry the unvaccinated or under what conditions. Let the insurance companies decide whether to cover Covid-19 patients who are not vaccinated (you know they won't). Let Publix decide whether to admit the unvaccinated to their stores. Free commercial enterprises from the lawsuits that inevitably will come because you discriminate against idiots.

Frankly, I'm not sure I care because I'm vaccinated and I'm all in on the booster shot. My family all is vaccinated and most of my friends are.

Be stupid if it's your flavor de jour. But don't penalize the smart because the stupid are stupid.

[Lennys Tap]

The only thing I could find on NBC's website said 1000 likely voters, 600 non-landline.  No other sampling or other demographic info.

Shaker of salt, hey?

IOW, mostly BS that morphs into "science" if it fits a particular narrative.

[The Lens]

Brother Lens:

Don't know if you live in Florida or not. I do, a good hunk of the year. I actually have heard my Governor advocate for vaccinations. He was a leader in setting the allocation process for "seniors First," because that segment of our population, which is significant (just watch all the errant blinkers on any Florida highway, if you don't believe me), also is the most vulnerable to the disease. You didn't see a whole lot of people under 70 dying in Florida, unless they had underlying conditions.

DeSantis made sure the seniors and folks with underlying medical conditions were 1 and 1A in the line for vaccine. And yes, he pushed it to our citizenry.

He was on television earlier this year (I live in the Palm Beach television market) regularly pushing the vaccine.

I'll admit, I'm not sure Charlie Crist or Nikki Fried (the two Democrats likely to run for governor against DeSantis) would have done any different, other than to shut the state down a la Illinois or New York. But to suggest DeSantis didn't advocate vaccination is wrong. It's something that's coming from outside the state by folks who have an agenda of loathing of anything Florida.

Thanks for the on the ground intel.  I have never seen him advocate for vaccines but I only spent two week in FLA this year. 

What I do know is he has very famously battled against private enterprise that has wanted to require vaccines.  Telling U.S. businesses how they should operate seems to be the biggest Un-Republican, non conservative way of governing possible.  And IMO it sends a message that you're anti vaccince.  I really don't care that he made the elderly a priority...everyone did.  That was a lay-up.  I just find it incredible that a Republican Governor is fighting with cruise ship operators.  I thought we were the party of Business?

[pbiflyer]

DeSantis won't even say if he's been vaccinated. And by telling people, it's their choice isn't exactly advocating for the vaccine. He does tout his cure daily, which is essentially telling people that they don't have to get vaccinated as they can get treated if needed.
And a $2000 treatment over a $30 shot isn't very fiscally responsible.

[TSmith34, Inc.]

You can choose to be stupid. But your idiocy has consequences. Like, not being able to enter certain buildings, stores and public places. Like not being able to fly, ride a train or Mass Transit. And, if you're stupid after, say November 1, 2021, then the government should tell the world Medicare and Medicaid won't cover the cost of getting sick from Covid and private insurance can "opt out." of covering Covid-19 illness in non-vaccinated persons.

I don't know, rocket said I was "Adolph" for advocating pretty much these exact same restrictions and that they were just like putting people in encampments and harvesting their organs.

So there is that to consider.

[jesmu84]

Afraid not, dude. I don't want our government taking preemptive actions against a vaccinated population. I'm rather suggesting you have a choice, but there are consequences of your actions.

I have no problem with the government NOT DOING ANYTHING on either the Covid-19 control restrictions for the stupidly unvaccinated or forcing the vaccination on stupid people. In the case of airlines, for example, let the carriers decide whether or not to carry the unvaccinated or under what conditions. Let the insurance companies decide whether to cover Covid-19 patients who are not vaccinated (you know they won't). Let Publix decide whether to admit the unvaccinated to their stores. Free commercial enterprises from the lawsuits that inevitably will come because you discriminate against idiots.

Frankly, I'm not sure I care because I'm vaccinated and I'm all in on the booster shot. My family all is vaccinated and most of my friends are.

Be stupid if it's your flavor de jour. But don't penalize the smart because the stupid are stupid.

Thanks for the explanation.

We appear to be on the same page.

[ZiggysFryBoy]

IOW, mostly BS that morphs into "science" if it fits a particular narrative.

Hardly a coincidence that it was posted by Smith and jockitch within minutes, aina?

[Billy Hoyle]

back to mask mandates, even outdoors, in Oregon. 

[The Sultan]

back to mask mandates, even outdoors, in Oregon. 

So much for following the science.

[CountryRoads]

back to mask mandates, even outdoors, in Oregon. 

The least of their problems.

[Frenns Liquor Depot]

All dis chit iz politics, aina?

"Everyone has a right to make their own decisions regarding their health & their body...until your decision as to yourself impacts negatively many others."

—Jerry Jones

This isn't that hard. 

[TSmith34, Inc.]

Hardly a coincidence that it was posted by Smith and jockitch within minutes, aina?

Other than the fact that no one called it science. But sure, you can knock down that strawman all you'd like.

[Pakuni]

back to mask mandates, even outdoors, in Oregon. 

That seems dumb.

[Uncle Rico]

That seems dumb.

It is

[Jockey]

Other than the fact that no one called it science. But sure, you can knock down that strawman all you'd like.

It's all Ziggy's got. If there isn't a rocket brain post to agree with, he is pretty lost.