COVID-19 (f/k/a "the Coronavirus")

[The Sultan]

I think all the time and effort to create a national database or a vaccine passport is going to be irrelevant in just a few months.

[GooooMarquette]

Is this really the problem?  Locally the health care systems have done great. The problem is they simply don't have enough shots and repeatedly have said that they could ramp it up if they had more to work with. Is this the exception?

That is also the case here in Minnesota. Mayo Clinic has the capacity to dramatically expand vaccine administration in Rochester and surrounding areas, and has been clamoring for more vaccines. The same is true for the healthcare systems in the Twin Cities and Duluth.

There may be gaps in more rural areas, but that represents a relatively small portion of the overall population.

[mu_hilltopper]

I think all the time and effort to create a national database or a vaccine passport is going to be irrelevant in just a few months.

I agree .. although .. I think it will be handy for travel, especially international travel. 

No doubt, there's a short shelf life. 

[The Sultan]

I agree .. although .. I think it will be handy for travel, especially international travel. 

That's a good point.

[GooooMarquette]

I think all the time and effort to create a national database or a vaccine passport is going to be irrelevant in just a few months.

Probably...unless large percentages of people refuse to get the vaccine, in which case we never reach herd immunity. If that happens, I can see the vax-refusers getting excluded from some indoor activities and travel.

[pbiflyer]

I think all the time and effort to create a national database or a vaccine passport is going to be irrelevant in just a few months.

Yeah, because Covid is the last pandemic or other crisis we will face. Let's not put an infrastructure in place.

[MUBurrow]

Probably...unless large percentages of people refuse to get the vaccine, in which case we never reach herd immunity. If that happens, I can see the vax-refusers getting excluded from some indoor activities and travel.

While I'd like to believe this would be the case, I don't think it would be. Once vaccines are sufficiently available for anyone who wants one to get one, I think all bets are off.  I don't see sports stadiums or airlines or music venues or any other private organization barring entry for lack of vaccination. Maybe you would see some of this for international travel based on the policies of the destination country, but I think thats about it.

[The Sultan]

While I'd like to believe this would be the case, I don't think it would be. Once vaccines are sufficiently available for anyone who wants one to get one, I think all bets are off.  I don't see sports stadiums or airlines or music venues or any other private organization barring entry for lack of vaccination. Maybe you would see some of this for international travel based on the policies of the destination country, but I think thats about it.

Exactly.  Why would a sporting or concert venue go through the effort?  Anti-vaxxers may catch Covid and some may die.  Well....that's not the venue's fault right?  There's no liability involved.

Covid is going to be around.  It's going to get people sick and people are going to die.  And if it resembles something like a seasonal flu, or even a little bit worse, society is going to say "good enough!" and move on.

[MU Fan in Connecticut]

The Onion has had fun with Texas the last two days with the following headlines:

"Texas Governor Announces State's Morgues Now Allowed to Operate at 100% Capacity"

"COVID Announces Plan To Move Operations To Texas Full-Time To Escape Burdensome Regulations"

[wadesworld]

I saw a highlight of the Texas Tech student manager getting in the game and taking a charge last night (I think?).  The TTU fans were certainly taking advantage their new freedoms.  The student section looked fully packed, and I saw maybe a handful of masks being worn.

[TSmith34, Inc.]

Out of curiosity, since there is no national database, how are you going to connect to the various data sources to determine status? A clearing house? Connecting to 50+ data sources?
As chick pointed out, no national DB exists and would have violent push back from certain groups of people.

The bolded part. Already done.

[TSmith34, Inc.]

I think all the time and effort to create a national database or a vaccine passport is going to be irrelevant in just a few months.

I hope so.

[rocky_warrior]

Is this really the problem?  Locally the health care systems have done great. The problem is they simply don't have enough shots and repeatedly have said that they could ramp it up if they had more to work with. Is this the exception?

The problem I'm talking about is money.  They  government has stepped in to help, but still small providers are doing this at a loss.  Many aren't even willing to do it.  That doesn't mean we don't have enough capacity to get "shots in arms", but it does mean those doing it aren't going to be willing to shell out extra dollars to help provide a database.  Which is where my reply was directed.

I do agree though, that hopefully the need for some vaccine card goes away by the end of 2021 (but that would require a lot off effort around the world).

[GooooMarquette]

The bolded part. Already done.

Just curious - do you have a sense of how well private healthcare systems have generally connected to their states' respective vaccine databases?

I ask mainly because when my number comes up, I will be getting my shot directly from my healthcare provider, as opposed to a state- or county-run vaccine clinic.

[Warriors4ever]

My health care system, Amita, a Catholic one, is woefully behind on vaccinating its patients, I don't know if it's even done any to be honest. They told me and others I know to go to a Walgreens or Mariano's. Some have done a better job than others , Rush was way out ahead of others, right now it seems North Shore has pretty much ground to a halt with first doses. Others are slowly working through their patients by age pretty much but it's very slow

[shoothoops]

I've posted a lot of garbage and bad links in the last 12 months including some stuff from RT🤦‍♂️

[TSmith34, Inc.]

Just curious - do you have a sense of how well private healthcare systems have generally connected to their states' respective vaccine databases?

I ask mainly because when my number comes up, I will be getting my shot directly from my healthcare provider, as opposed to a state- or county-run vaccine clinic.

I don't know the answer to that yet, unfortunately.

[Warriors4ever]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/oregon-scientists-virus-variant-worrying-151505340.html

So is this the Oregon variant?

[warriorchick]

Just curious - do you have a sense of how well private healthcare systems have generally connected to their states' respective vaccine databases?

I ask mainly because when my number comes up, I will be getting my shot directly from my healthcare provider, as opposed to a state- or county-run vaccine clinic.

If your healthcare provider uses Epic software (which the overwhelming majority of them do), it would be easy-peasy.  I switched healthcare organizations last year when I moved, and they were able to pull in all of my medical records from my old providers because they are all on the same system.

[rocky_warrior]

If your healthcare provider uses Epic software (which the overwhelming majority of them do), it would be easy-peasy.  I switched healthcare organizations last year when I moved, and they were able to pull in all of my medical records from my old providers because they are all on the same system.

This is mostly correct (except perhaps for the pervasiveness of Epic, but that's another topic).  Goooooo has previously mentioned Mayo, and I *think* they're at least in the covid-vaccine sharing circle that Epic and Microsoft also participate (if they don't already use Epic), so I think it all should work with his state level system

https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/digital-transformation/mayo-clinic-microsoft-epic-and-more-join-forces-to-improve-digital-covid-19-vaccination-records.html

[GooooMarquette]

This is mostly correct (except perhaps for the pervasiveness of Epic, but that's another topic).  Goooooo has previously mentioned Mayo, and I *think* they're at least in the covid-vaccine sharing circle that Epic and Microsoft also participate (if they don't alsready use Epic), so I think it all should wok with his state level system

https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/digital-transformation/mayo-clinic-microsoft-epic-and-more-join-forces-to-improve-digital-covid-19-vaccination-records.html

Good to hear. Thanks all for the information.

[MU Fan in Connecticut]

Yale scientists design wearable clip to detect SARS-CoV-2 air exposure
Yale researchers have developed a small silicone clip that can detect exposure to SARS-CoV-2.

SYDNEY GRAY
12:28 AM, MAR 04, 2021

https://yaledailynews.com/blog/2021/03/04/yale-scientists-design-wearable-clip-to-detect-sars-cov-2-air-exposure/

[forgetful]

Yale scientists design wearable clip to detect SARS-CoV-2 air exposure
Yale researchers have developed a small silicone clip that can detect exposure to SARS-CoV-2.

SYDNEY GRAY
12:28 AM, MAR 04, 2021

https://yaledailynews.com/blog/2021/03/04/yale-scientists-design-wearable-clip-to-detect-sars-cov-2-air-exposure/

That's really cool.

[pacearrow02]

https://mobile.twitter.com/tomselliott/status/1369623714426454018

Experts: You gotta follow the science.

Us: Absolutely, please explain the data and science you're seeing that says once vaccinated you shouldn't travel.

Experts: there isn't any, but do it anyway!!!

This fricking guy.

[Hards Alumni]

https://mobile.twitter.com/tomselliott/status/1369623714426454018

Experts: You gotta follow the science.

Us: Absolutely, please explain the data and science you're seeing that says once vaccinated you shouldn't travel.

Experts: there isn't any, but do it anyway!!!

This fricking guy.

"Prove a negative"

He's erring on the side of caution, obviously.  It is a terrible question.  You can't just pull studies out of thin air, and there is no definitive data that vaccinated people can't asymptomatically spread the virus.

Once we KNOW that vaccinated people can't spread, then it will be fine to travel as usual if vaccinated.

Use your brain.