COVID-19 (f/k/a "the Coronavirus")

[WarriorDad]

We've been here done this. Science says that we are under-reporting COVID deaths. Look at Florida, which had a late season rush of pneumonia deaths in mid to late March that exceeded normals by 100's per day, all flu negative.

They recorded them all as pneumonia deaths, not CoVID even though they were almost assuredly COVID. They were also leaving out deaths with COVID on the death certificate if it also listed Pneumonia.

Again, Science says we are undercounting. This is more prevalent in Red states, where for political reasons they want the numbers lower.

Probably.  And in blue states they want the numbers higher.  That is my conspiracy theory and I am sticking to it. 

And the arguments continue on and on and on and on.

[WarriorDad]

Your pretend-to-be-a-Dem-but-act-like-a-right-winger act is getting boring.

You don't like Democrats that aren't hard core to the left.  I am pro life, own guns, believe in worker's rights.  That used to be what the party stood for growing up.  The party has gone very left.  The GOP has gone very right.  I am still a registered Democrat to this day and I do not act like a right-winger, but I don't act like a left-winger either.

It is troubling in our society today that it is boring to be moderate, question both sides.   This latest debate on social media bias and the complaints from both sides.  I remember when we, Democrats, believed in the Fairness Doctrine.  Ronald Reagan killed that.  Trump essentially wants a fairness doctrine for social media, which in the old days we would have supported and now we don't.  Trump is a hypocrite (that is redundant) and so are we.  Both parties change positions all too often for my taste.   I didn't change, the parties have and that is a factual statement, not an opinion.  Look at the planks of the GOP and the Democratic parties in the late 60's and early 70's.  There are some radical ideological changes that have taken place.

Boring

[WarriorDad]

https://twitter.com/JoeBiden/status/1187829299207954437?s=19

These tweets were sent out October of 2019.

He was right, but why did President Obama and VP Biden not restock millions of N95 masks if he were to make such a claim about the current President then their actions don't back up the tweet (the talk).  For that matter, why didn't Trump replace them in 2017-2019?  Both sides failed to adequately prepare, typical political doublespeak.

Fact checked below

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/04/03/fact-check-did-obama-administration-deplete-n-95-mask-stockpile/5114319002/

[wadesworld]

He was right, but why did President Obama and VP Biden not restock millions of N95 masks if he were to make such a claim about the current President then their actions don't back up the tweet (the talk).  For that matter, why didn't Trump replace them in 2017-2019?  Both sides failed to adequately prepare, typical political doublespeak.

Fact checked below

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/04/03/fact-check-did-obama-administration-deplete-n-95-mask-stockpile/5114319002/

Did both sides cut the pandemic response team? Did both sides cut programs to prepare worldwide pandemics?

But hey. Election year. Political suicide. Couldn't do anything else. Both sides.

Sincerely yours, the guy who isn't partisan that has only ever voted blue.

[forgetful]

He was right, but why did President Obama and VP Biden not restock millions of N95 masks if he were to make such a claim about the current President then their actions don't back up the tweet (the talk).  For that matter, why didn't Trump replace them in 2017-2019?  Both sides failed to adequately prepare, typical political doublespeak.

Fact checked below

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/04/03/fact-check-did-obama-administration-deplete-n-95-mask-stockpile/5114319002/

They tried to get funding to increase the emergency stockpile and better prepare for future emergencies, but congress said we couldn't afford to spend more money, we also couldn't afford tax cuts for the working class, because...deficit.

[MU82]

You don't like Democrats that aren't hard core to the left.  I am pro life, own guns, believe in worker's rights.  That used to be what the party stood for growing up.  The party has gone very left.  The GOP has gone very right.  I am still a registered Democrat to this day and I do not act like a right-winger, but I don't act like a left-winger either.

It is troubling in our society today that it is boring to be moderate, question both sides.   This latest debate on social media bias and the complaints from both sides.  I remember when we, Democrats, believed in the Fairness Doctrine.  Ronald Reagan killed that.  Trump essentially wants a fairness doctrine for social media, which in the old days we would have supported and now we don't.  Trump is a hypocrite (that is redundant) and so are we.  Both parties change positions all too often for my taste.   I didn't change, the parties have and that is a factual statement, not an opinion.  Look at the planks of the GOP and the Democratic parties in the late 60's and early 70's.  There are some radical ideological changes that have taken place.

Boring

You're boring because you're a troll who can't admit who you really are. It's gotten old.

[pacearrow02]

https://mobile.twitter.com/ericMstrauss/status/1266136090806755329

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[MU82]

https://mobile.twitter.com/ericMstrauss/status/1266136090806755329

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Why should any of us click on a twat about who-knows-what posted by a non-Marquette fan who just stumbled on our site?

[forgetful]

Probably.  And in blue states they want the numbers higher.  That is my conspiracy theory and I am sticking to it. 

And the arguments continue on and on and on and on.

I'll take actual data over a conspiracy theory.

[pbiflyer]

Probably.  And in blue states they want the numbers higher.  That is my conspiracy theory and I am sticking to it. 

And the arguments continue on and on and on and on.

So, you believe that Florida has had a 560% increase in deaths by pneumonia this year? And in a year where the R governor has actively suppressed information about COVID deaths?????????

Just FYI, our local grocery store is having a special on tin foil, if you need more.

[JWags85]

Why should any of us click on a twat about who-knows-what posted by a non-Marquette fan who just stumbled on our site?

FWIW, it's coming from an ABC News medical reporter and his feed is very much balanced and speaking to the horrors of COVID just a few days back.

[wadesworld]

So, you believe that Florida has had a 560% increase in deaths by pneumonia this year? And in a year where the R governor has actively suppressed information about COVID deaths?????????

Just FYI, our local grocery store is having a special on tin foil, if you need more.

He believes...

"Both sides."

[Hards Alumni]

FWIW, it's coming from an ABC News medical reporter and his feed is very much balanced and speaking to the horrors of COVID just a few days back.

I'm not sure why people can't just say, "Wow, that is some unexpected good news!".

[Frenns Liquor Depot]

I'm not sure why people can't just say, "Wow, that is some unexpected good news!".

No kidding.  There have been some very positive things recently that show if we are cautious, do things outside and have testing that we can return to a better normal.  I would point to the WI elections, GA/FL reopening and relaxing restrictions in the NE while still making progress on cases/hospitalizations.  These are all good things.

[Hards Alumni]

No kidding.  There have been some very positive things recently that show if we are cautious, do things outside and have testing that we can return to a better normal.  I would point to the WI elections, GA/FL reopening and relaxing restrictions in the NE while still making progress on cases/hospitalizations.  These are all good things.

Exactly, I'm more than happy to be wrong about reopening if these trends continue.

[Galway Eagle]

No kidding.  There have been some very positive things recently that show if we are cautious, do things outside and have testing that we can return to a better normal.  I would point to the WI elections, GA/FL reopening and relaxing restrictions in the NE while still making progress on cases/hospitalizations.  These are all good things.

GA/FL I can't buy their numbers due to all the sketchy reporting and I think that's why people are hesitant to say great news. That is great news for WI and other states reporting more honestly. Unfortunately certain posters here refuse to look at the difference between the cases or density of the states still in lockdown and would instead politicize it as "lefty paranoia"

[JWags85]

I'm not sure why people can't just say, "Wow, that is some unexpected good news!".

Oh I completely agree, I was trying to encourage 82 to read it regardless of who shared it

[Frenns Liquor Depot]

GA/FL I can't buy their numbers due to all the sketchy reporting and I think that's why people are hesitant to say great news. That is great news for WI and other states reporting more honestly. Unfortunately certain posters here refuse to look at the difference between the cases or density of the states still in lockdown and would instead politicize it as "lefty paranoia"

The numbers are probably good enough.  Watch the hospitalizations.  That cant be faked.  If they are at a manageable capacity though, its probably all we can ask for.

Some will never believe this was bad - even though there is enough data on uncontrolled spread that says otherwise. 

At the end of the day as long as we dont have undetected and uncontrolled spread, we will be somewhat ok.  I believe if we had the testing, tracing & awareness levels that we have today, it probably wouldn't have gotten to the level of out of control we experienced in the first place.

[Frenns Liquor Depot]

Finally.  An article on the plight of 4ever and rocket. Don't let anyone tell you are not essential!

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/amid-coronavirus-concerns-dentists-face-a-fraught-road-to-reopening/2020/05/28/187f5e30-9909-11ea-ac72-3841fcc9b35f_story.html

[MU82]

Oh I completely agree, I was trying to encourage 82 to read it regardless of who shared it

My point wasn't that I'm unwilling to look at links shared by a variety of Scoopers. I am, and I do all the time.

My point was that here's this troll, who has no interest being part of this community but simply to be a divisive flamethrower, and he posts a link without even saying what it might be about. He has gone at it with numerous Scoopers and obviously has his own agenda. How are we supposed to know it's not something with a virus attached, or something simply vile and stupid?

Based upon your recommendation, I did just look at it. I am hoping that this does prove to be something to cheer. Of course, it was political (as many of my posts in this thread are, too), and the tweets that followed were hyper-political shots at governors who actually had the temerity to follow the president's guidelines.

But sure, on the face of it, it's fantastic news if we can re-open the country and not see more sickness and death. Absolutely.

[ZiggysFryBoy]

Why should any of us click on a twat about who-knows-what posted by a non-Marquette fan who just stumbled on our site?

Are you that thick in the head?  Do you not know sarcasm?

A quick peek at the arrow's account show that he is an MU fan and has been registered since 2014.

I'm surprised someone as well read as you wouldn't have noticed that.

I realize that ABC News isn't left enough for you to trust, but more Americans get their news from ABC than any other source.

Perhaps we could limit posted tweets to mu fan in CT's troll accounts or jesmu's friends.

***Insert Nads' "obsessed " gif here.

[pacearrow02]

Are you that thick in the head?  Do you not know sarcasm?

A quick peek at the arrow's account show that he is an MU fan and has been registered since 2014.

I'm surprised someone as well read as you wouldn't have noticed that.

I realize that ABC News isn't left enough for you to trust, but more Americans get their news from ABC than any other source.

Perhaps we could limit posted tweets to mu fan in CT's troll accounts or jesmu's friends.

***Insert Nads' "obsessed " gif here.

👍👍 alumni (sorry to disappoint some of you) and season ticket holder and very much a "projo". Don't comment often over on the hoops board but have been reading for a long long time.

[pacearrow02]

My point wasn't that I'm unwilling to look at links shared by a variety of Scoopers. I am, and I do all the time.

My point was that here's this troll, who has no interest being part of this community but simply to be a divisive flamethrower, and he posts a link without even saying what it might be about. He has gone at it with numerous Scoopers and obviously has his own agenda. How are we supposed to know it's not something with a virus attached, or something simply vile and stupid?

Based upon your recommendation, I did just look at it. I am hoping that this does prove to be something to cheer. Of course, it was political (as many of my posts in this thread are, too), and the tweets that followed were hyper-political shots at governors who actually had the temerity to follow the president's guidelines.

But sure, on the face of it, it's fantastic news if we can re-open the country and not see more sickness and death. Absolutely.

Of course don't agree with the troll post and I do get a little worked up, admittedly too worked sometimes but just trying to offer an opposing viewpoint to some of this stuff to hopefully lead to a productive/polite discussion but that's hard to come by around here.

When wrong I do my best to admit it.  When right I have a tendency to obnoxiously spike the football so apologies in advance for my posts coming once hydroxy is proven effective when given early on in preventing the progress of Covid (I'm confident it's coming)   

[MU82]

Of course don't agree with the troll post and I do get a little worked up, admittedly too worked sometimes but just trying to offer an opposing viewpoint to some of this stuff to hopefully lead to a productive/polite discussion but that's hard to come by around here.

When wrong I do my best to admit it.  When right I have a tendency to obnoxiously spike the football so apologies in advance for my posts coming once hydroxy is proven effective when given early on in preventing the progress of Covid (I'm confident it's coming)   

I didn't get the sarcasm, obviously, and I didn't feel any need to look at your posting or membership history. So I also owe you an apology.

We obviously disagree politically, but I'm glad we agree that We Are Marquette!

[MU82]

***Insert Nads' "obsessed " gif here.

No need.

As one Scooper likes to say: "rent free."