COVID-19 (f/k/a "the Coronavirus")

[forgetful]

For the business people on the board. What would be worse for the economy?

1. Keeping everything closed for the next 45 days.
2. Opening the economy in 2 weeks, but having to re-shut everything down again for 60 days in another month or two?

[Hards Alumni]

  So voting for the first time in 1972 would make WarriorDad around 66-ish.  Is he a liar or does this finally put rest that he's not Chicos?  I'm guessing the latter.

Ah, you assume he is being honest.  Rich.

[Jay Bee]

For the business people on the board. What would be worse for the economy?

1. Keeping everything closed for the next 45 days.
2. Opening the economy in 2 weeks, but having to re-shut everything down again for 60 days in another month or two?

2, but it all ends the same.

#LastDays

[Vander Blue Man Group]

2, but it all ends the same.

#LastDays

Oh, for FFS. 

[TSmith34, Inc.]

2, but it all ends the same.

#LastDays

Live Zoom meeting with JayB

[lawdog77]

  Again, if you feel that one political argument is overrepresented, make the case with facts and data that the federal response has been timely, appropriate, efficient, and effective.

I am neither a Democrat, nor a Republican so...
1. Do we have enough ventilators
2. Did the Government have discussions with Big Pharma early enough? (I believe we had around 100  confirmed cases, when he had his big meeting (end of February/start of March)

That being said, his press conferences are a trainwreck, and always have been, in my opinion. Whether or not he should have put in a frederal quarantine, and whether that would have been effective is the big question to me.

[MUBurrow]

For the business people on the board. What would be worse for the economy?

1. Keeping everything closed for the next 45 days.
2. Opening the economy in 2 weeks, but having to re-shut everything down again for 60 days in another month or two?

#2 would be worse, but the real question is whether #1 precludes #2, or if it just pushes the window for the second shutdown back. 

[TSmith34, Inc.]

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Whhhhhaaaaat?  You're trying to tell me "moderate Democrats" DON'T continuously espouse right wing points of view?

And pull "bothsiderisms" like--oh, what was that one fellow's name(s) that used to do that?

[JWags85]

For the business people on the board. What would be worse for the economy?

1. Keeping everything closed for the next 45 days.
2. Opening the economy in 2 weeks, but having to re-shut everything down again for 60 days in another month or two?

Most business facing people have no issue with 45 days.  30-45 days was looking best case anyways. Limited reopening as we moved into mid-May.  Its suggestions of 90+ days that there are issues with.  At that point, as a business person, I'd rather take my chances cause one MAY end me, but the other definitely will.

Its gonna be a REALLY hard sell to have declining volumes of any metric in hotspots for 1-2-3 weeks, as we're seeing daily in NY or CA, and keep directing people to keep their businesses closed.  Just IMO

[Vander Blue Man Group]

Most business facing people have no issue with 45 days.  30-45 days was looking best case anyways. Limited reopening as we moved into mid-May.  Its suggestions of 90+ days that there are issues with.  At that point, as a business person, I'd rather take my chances cause one MAY end me, but the other definitely will.

Its gonna be a REALLY hard sell to have declining volumes of any metric in hotspots for 1-2-3 weeks, as we're seeing daily in NY or CA, and keep directing people to keep their businesses closed.  Just IMO

The question is how far to the numbers have to decline to start considering a safe, phased re-opening.  Obviously the other challenge is the numbers that are out there are likely massively under-reported due to the lack of testing, the people who were asymptomatic, and the people who managed to beat it at home without ever getting tested. 

There's no good answer but being too aggressive would be an unmitigated disaster. 

[WarriorDad]

For the business people on the board. What would be worse for the economy?

1. Keeping everything closed for the next 45 days.
2. Opening the economy in 2 weeks, but having to re-shut everything down again for 60 days in another month or two?

If the next 45 days mean your business goes bankrupt if it doesn't open, how would you respond?  Especially in part of the country where this impact is smaller at the moment?  These are the tough decisions that have to be made.

[WarriorDad]

  So voting for the first time in 1972 would make WarriorDad around 66-ish.  Is he a liar or does this finally put rest that he's not Chicos?  I'm guessing the latter.

Do not forget until 1971 the age requirement was 21 to vote.  The 26th amendment was ratified in 1971 in the Summer to allow 18 year olds to vote for the first time in 1972.  Exciting times for us from that generation.  Factor that into your guess. 

No, I am not any other person here, but that will not change accusations.  Someone else said both sides is a troll?  I have used the term both sides for years and years.  It is what moderates tend to do who see problems on Both Sides!

[WarriorDad]

Unequivocal bull crap.

Not to mention the author of this article is a hyper-partisan hack

Everything I bolded is a conservative entity.  You're so transparent.

In your formative years, Nixon advocated for affordable health care for all.  Just more of your disingenuous arguments that the Democrats somehow moved further left.

What actually happened is Republicans moved so far to the right, that anything moderate at all gets labeled as socialism.  And instead of balancing out over time with fair and balanced journalism, we got people like Rush Limbaugh and his ilk.  Preying on stupid people to achieve their goals, and line their pockets.  And who do we have to thank for all this partisan crap?  Newt Gingrich and Grover Norquist.  They inoculated you against civility back in the mid 90s.  The outright disdain and hyper-partisanship is their doing.

You try to come off as some guru of history and political theory.  But people here see through it.  You convert no one.  Your dog whistles and talking points are so obvious.  Anyone with 5 minutes can do a minuscule amount of research and figure out your slant.

Respectfully more than two years ago I messaged this.

https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=55476.msg995502#msg995502

From the Washington Post and you didn't care for that view either.  Was that author a partisan hack?  Both parties have moved further from the center as the graphics properly lay out.  I chose a poor example that you don't care for because of the author.  Now do the same analysis from two years ago with the same conclusion by an author you do not find to be troubling.  If you think the parties haven't BOTH become more extreme it says only one thing.  You haven't been around very long to witness it.

[MU82]

More than 100 protesters rallied in downtown Raleigh to reopen North Carolina on Tuesday, describing Gov. Roy Cooper's stay-home order as an unconstitutional overreach that will kill the state's small businesses.

https://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/politics-government/article241999131.html?

[GooooMarquette]

Considering how almost identical this is to a recent memorable presidential quote... This has to be trolling. Has to be.

Yep. Too close to be just a coincidence....

[jesmu84]

With regards to small business concerns - I go back to a month or so ago when this all really started to snowball. At that point (and it may now be too late), payments should have been suspended: rent, utilities, debt payments, etc. Businesses that were non-essential should have furloughed, not fired. Government gives way more to individuals to stay home and afford essential goods during the majority of this crisis. And for essential businesses, grants from the Fed.

Other countries followed similar decisions.

This entire half-measure bullshit is the worst.

[Pakuni]

Live Zoom meeting with JayB

In all fairness, I can think of only one JB who's dealt with the pandemic better than this one.

[GooooMarquette]

This entire half-measure bullcrap is the worst.

Funny - I was thinking that very thing the other day. Walter White would just be shaking his head at how this has been handled from the start.

[Silent Verbal]

More than 100 protesters rallied in downtown Raleigh to reopen North Carolina on Tuesday, describing Gov. Roy Cooper's stay-home order as an unconstitutional overreach that will kill the state's small businesses.

https://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/politics-government/article241999131.html?

This will start happening in other parts of the country before long.

[MU82]

This will start happening in other parts of the country before long.

You're probably right.

And there probably will be counter-protests.

[Hards Alumni]

Respectfully more than two years ago I messaged this.

https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=55476.msg995502#msg995502

From the Washington Post and you didn't care for that view either.  Was that author a partisan hack?  Both parties have moved further from the center as the graphics properly lay out.  I chose a poor example that you don't care for because of the author.  Now do the same analysis from two years ago with the same conclusion by an author you do not find to be troubling.  If you think the parties haven't BOTH become more extreme it says only one thing.  You haven't been around very long to witness it.

Respectfully, just admit who you truly are.

edit:  I didn't care for that view?  I never even responded.  I think we all know only one person here who would be willing to dig through years of posts... and then repost something from a locked thread from two years ago.  LMAO.

[Pakuni]

More than 100 protesters rallied in downtown Raleigh to reopen North Carolina on Tuesday, describing Gov. Roy Cooper's stay-home order as an unconstitutional overreach that will kill the state's small businesses.

https://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/politics-government/article241999131.html?

Anti-vaxxers to boot.
Figures.

[MU82]

Anti-vaxxers to boot.
Figures.

What do we want?

The right to infect others!

When do we want it?

Now!

[forgetful]

#2 would be worse, but the real question is whether #1 precludes #2, or if it just pushes the window for the second shutdown back.

The original goal was to close until end of April, while we got the infrastructure and resources in place to be able to do widespread testing and contact tracing.

We've been chasing that latter aspect forever, largely because of top down failures. We are still failing that test.

The 45 days more, should allow us to get there, unless we continue to have gross incompetence and malfeasance.

If we have all that in place, I believe #1 precludes #2.

In all honesty, much of the nation could have safely reopened now if we didn't have horrendous failures in establishing a robust testing and contact tracing platform. If we open, possibly even before May 1, which was announced as a goal in the press conference yesterday, then #2 almost assuredly happens.

I believe 2 is worse than 1.

[tower912]

This will start happening in other parts of the country before long.

Michigan tomorrow.