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Do you want to miss the NCAA tournament so Wojo gets fired?

Started by Cheeks, January 13, 2020, 11:45:13 AM

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How many want to miss NCAA tournament so Wojo gets fired?

Yes.  It shortens the time to make a move.
12 (9%)
No.  Counter productive, Wojo has made progress and this is silly talk.
91 (67.9%)
No. I hope MU wins a game and Wojo is hired away elsewhere.
31 (23.1%)

Total Members Voted: 134

Voting closed: January 18, 2020, 11:45:13 AM

Cheeks

You know where I stand (a no vote), but when I see people actively wanting him fired (you know who you are) then I have to think some of you want us to miss this year's tournament to help satiate the means to the end.  Making the tournament, in some eyes, just means another year. 

"I hate everything about this job except the games, Everything. I don't even get affected anymore by the winning, by the ratings, those things. The trouble is, it will sound like an excuse because we've never won the national championship, but winning just isn't all that important to me." Al McGuire

The Lens

Absolutely not.  In fact I would see making the tourney with this team (and at this 1-3 point) as a sign that he's progressing as a coach.
The Teal Train has left the station and Lens is day drinking in the bar car.    ---- Dr. Blackheart

History is so valuable if you have the humility to learn from it.    ---- Shaka Smart

JamilJaeJamailJrJuan

Lol, its sad this question even needs to be asked.

I'll keep Wojo and his recruiting class.  People that think MU can do considerably better than Wojo are delusional. 
Quote from: Goose on February 09, 2017, 11:06:04 AM
I would take the Rick SLU program right now.

ChitownSpaceForRent

Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on January 13, 2020, 11:53:03 AM
Lol, its sad this question even needs to be asked.

I'll keep Wojo and his recruiting class.  People that think MU can do considerably better than Wojo are delusional.

That's where I'm kind of at. Yea it's been frustrating.

But who is waiting in the wings that's going to be an automatic upgrade from Wojo? Nobody who wants Wojo fired even bothers to throw out any names.

muhoopsfan6@yahoo.com

While I'm not a huge Wojo supporter as I feel he has not lived up to my expectations I do root for the team to succeed.  If this team with Wojo at helm finds it's way into the NCAA's I think that would be sufficient proof for me that Wojo has made huge strides into becoming the coach we all want him to be.

tower912

It will be interesting to see who will own the fact that there dislike of Wojo is stronger than their love of MU basketball.
Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.

JamilJaeJamailJrJuan

Quote from: tower912 on January 13, 2020, 12:12:49 PM
It will be interesting to see who will own the fact that there dislike of Wojo is stronger than their love of MU basketball.

Sometimes it seems like about 75% of the posters here are in that category.  Sad. 
Quote from: Goose on February 09, 2017, 11:06:04 AM
I would take the Rick SLU program right now.

tower912

Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.

🏀

Quote from: ChitownSpaceForRent on January 13, 2020, 12:00:23 PM
That's where I'm kind of at. Yea it's been frustrating.

But who is waiting in the wings that's going to be an automatic upgrade from Wojo? Nobody who wants Wojo fired even bothers to throw out any names.

Pitino was mentioned!

UWW2MU

Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on January 13, 2020, 12:15:15 PM
Sometimes it seems like about 75% of the posters here are in that category.  Sad.

Correction: 75% of posts, 8% of posters.

MarquetteDano

Should have been another option that states "Want to miss tourney so I am proven right"

Unfortunate minority of posters here who would rather be right than Marquette win.

Keithtisbarf

What a dumb question. Anyone who cares more about the coach being fired than making the NCAA tournament has a screw loose.

skianth16

Quote from: tower912 on January 13, 2020, 12:12:49 PM
It will be interesting to see who will own the fact that there dislike of Wojo is stronger than their love of MU basketball.

I can't imagine a single person here feeling that way. This may be me projecting my own thoughts, but I'm assuming most people here that dislike Wojo only dislike him because they feel like he's not good for MU basketball. To assume any other reason for fans to dislike Wojo or any other coach is just intellectually dishonest.

jesmu84

Quote from: tower912 on January 13, 2020, 12:12:49 PM
It will be interesting to see who will own the fact that there dislike of Wojo is stronger than their love of MU basketball.

Few will own up to this.

For the record, I voted no. But I have very little hopes we make the tournament based on the conference start.

Billy Hoyle

#14
Quote from: ChitownSpaceForRent on January 13, 2020, 12:00:23 PM
That's where I'm kind of at. Yea it's been frustrating.

But who is waiting in the wings that's going to be an automatic upgrade from Wojo? Nobody who wants Wojo fired even bothers to throw out any names.

haven't you heard? These are the candidates that are the current finalists and would take the job for $1 a year:

Coach K
Tom Izzo
Mark Few
Brad Stevens
Pop
Steve Kerr
Billy Donovan
Hologram Al McGuire

We had so many big names camping out in front of the Al the last time around certainly after firing Wojo we'll have even more.
"You either smoke or you get smoked. And you got smoked."

Mike Deane's Seat Belt

The fact that its even discussed should show why hes not the right person for the job. 

If we can't make the tourney with an all american and greatest scorer in marquette history why would we think he is capable of coaching up any incoming class to march madness play level?

This was his year to make hay.   It fell apart because he lost control of the locker room, or never had it in the first place.   
I really hope marquette has the guts to can him if we no show the post season this year. But i seriously doubt they will unless he loses the commits or something crazy happens.

JamilJaeJamailJrJuan

Quote from: Mike Deane's Seat Belt on January 13, 2020, 01:12:39 PM
The fact that its even discussed should show why hes not the right person for the job. 

If we can't make the tourney with an all american and greatest scorer in marquette history why would we think he is capable of coaching up any incoming class to march madness play level?

This was his year to make hay.   It fell apart because he lost control of the locker room, or never had it in the first place.   
I really hope marquette has the guts to can him if we no show the post season this year. But i seriously doubt they will unless he loses the commits or something crazy happens.

Except they will make the tourney, soooooooo
Quote from: Goose on February 09, 2017, 11:06:04 AM
I would take the Rick SLU program right now.

Cheeks

The 15% of you (so far) that voted for Sherman to burn everything down....how many of you are between ages of 45 and 54?

New study came out today....  https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-01-13/middle-age-misery-peaks-at-age-of-47-2-economist-says

"I hate everything about this job except the games, Everything. I don't even get affected anymore by the winning, by the ratings, those things. The trouble is, it will sound like an excuse because we've never won the national championship, but winning just isn't all that important to me." Al McGuire

Cheeks

Quote from: Mike Deane's Seat Belt on January 13, 2020, 01:12:39 PM
The fact that its even discussed should show why hes not the right person for the job. 

If we can't make the tourney with an all american and greatest scorer in marquette history why would we think he is capable of coaching up any incoming class to march madness play level?

This was his year to make hay.   It fell apart because he lost control of the locker room, or never had it in the first place.   
I really hope marquette has the guts to can him if we no show the post season this year. But i seriously doubt they will unless he loses the commits or something crazy happens.

You're in the 16% as of right now.....and stop with your nonsense, looking at your posts you have been anti-Wojo since the start, so don't begin to make it sound like year 5 may hay stuff.
"I hate everything about this job except the games, Everything. I don't even get affected anymore by the winning, by the ratings, those things. The trouble is, it will sound like an excuse because we've never won the national championship, but winning just isn't all that important to me." Al McGuire

NickelDimer

Question; in this scenario do we make the tournament and get humiliated in the first round again?
No Finish Line

Cheeks

Quote from: NickelDimer on January 13, 2020, 01:45:39 PM
Question; in this scenario do we make the tournament and get humiliated in the first round again?

Irrelevant.  If we lost by 7 points the same exact people would bitch.


Simple question
"I hate everything about this job except the games, Everything. I don't even get affected anymore by the winning, by the ratings, those things. The trouble is, it will sound like an excuse because we've never won the national championship, but winning just isn't all that important to me." Al McGuire

NickelDimer

Quote from: Cheeks on January 13, 2020, 01:59:59 PM
Irrelevant.  If we lost by 7 points the same exact people would bitch.


Simple question
Very relevant and without that info I'll abstain
No Finish Line

f/k/a humanlung

Quote from: jesmu84 on January 13, 2020, 12:46:07 PM
Few will own up to this.

For the record, I voted no. But I have very little hopes we make the tournament based on the conference start.

I think the delusional aspect of this is assuming that people who dislike Wojo as a coach would hope MU b-ball fails in any way.  I think Coach Wojo leaves a lot to be desired and that there are far better all-around coaches out there who would love to be MU's coach.  Now, I would LOVE to be proved wrong on Coach Wojo as I also think Person Wojo is an honorable individual who represents MU well. 

I am certain most people who dislike Wojo as a coach feel the same way.

f/k/a humanlung

Quote from: Cheeks on January 13, 2020, 01:59:59 PM
Irrelevant.  If we lost by 7 points the same exact people would bitch.


Simple question

If we lost by seven points and were actually competitive in the NCAA tournament - a nice change of pace from what we have experienced/seen so far - people would be happy.

Aughnanure

Quote from: ChitownSpaceForRent on January 13, 2020, 12:00:23 PM
That's where I'm kind of at. Yea it's been frustrating.

But who is waiting in the wings that's going to be an automatic upgrade from Wojo? Nobody who wants Wojo fired even bothers to throw out any names.

Posters giving names for possible hires, even when their team has already fired their coach and are looking, is always awful. That said, the idea that a coach of Wojo's calibur and one that is actually a better all-around coach than Wojo is not available are deluding themselves into accepting mediocrity.

The next coach may not be the answer, but why are you wasting years with a coach most of us already can tell is not the answer? Norland and Parrish talk about this every year on their podcast. Once you know your coach is not the guy, move on. Keeping him cause you are afraid can do more damage long-term than moving on quickly and failing with the next one.

Keeping Wojo for a single recruiting class is the worst pro-Wojo take.
“All men dream; but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty recesses of their minds wake in the day to find that it was vanity; but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act out their dreams with open eyes, to make it possible.” - T.E. Lawrence