Missing Scoopers?

[warriorchick]

I don't know if y'all have noticed that I haven't visited the basketball threads recently, but here's why: even though I have put many of the more egregious posters on Ignore, it is simply not worth wading through all the vitriol, mean-spiritedness, and outright stupidity to get to anything that I would want to read.

FFS, we soundly beat a top-ten team, and some of you still found reasons to post harshly negative crap during and after the game. Every single thread, even if it starts out as reasonable discourse (like this one), devolves into a name-calling, dick-swinging argument about the same topics over and over again. This isn't a Marquette fan site any more.  It's a Marquette bashing site.  Fans of our opponents who visit this site must laugh their asses off, and I don't blame them.

I don't need to waste my time reading the posts of armchair coaches, failed athletes, and straight up idiots who have nothing constructive or insightful to say. It is possible to criticize without being hateful, but most of the recent posters on Scoop have chosen to forgo that route.  I know several other folks who used to be very active on Scoop who don't even log in anymore, and they were some of the most incisive, entertaining posters.

I am forever grateful to the mods for creating this site, as I have derived a lot of pleasure from participating in it.  But they have allowed it to be taken over by its most despicable posters.   Perhaps they don't mind, or may even agree with those "fans".  But if they want to return Scoop to the days when fans could have reasonable conversations, may I humbly suggest that they put the worst offenders (and we all know who they are) on a very long break and allow the site to mend itself.

[4everwarriors]

Didn't notice butt would've figured ewe, Pa, Lovell, and Woj were all on a conference call trying ta find street parkin' closer dan 6th and Brown, hey?

[GOO]

Missing Scoopers:  There is a reason some of us don't bother showing up and posting multiple times on the same topic where two or three posters over and over and over start threads of some sort of Wojo being fired, replaced, etc. 

Not worth our time, especially where the posters don't understand their own illogical "bias confirmation" mindset. The confirmation bias on here by some is off the charts. Acknowledging it is the first step to a more reasoned analysis.  MU82's post is but one example of trying to point this out to a poster.

Not worth the time since it is not going to happen, as the program is doing well.  I understand there are those that only care about winning and that is fine.  But a lot of us are not going to debate the same issues over and over and over.  Hence, why this poster doesn't show up in each of these threads that get started after a loss. 

[UWW2MU]

Thank you for voicing this Chick.   

I come here mainly to learn and gain insight from the Hangin’ at the Al boards since I feel most posters have far more to give than I do.  Thus, it goes unnoticed when I leave many discussion topics unread these days.  But I assure you, there are far more people like me who are going unnoticed that simply stopped reading because of all the nastiness that goes on here. 

While we all want the team to win, there are far more important things in life than college basketball and the wins/losses.  It seems people have lost sight of that and let the losses control them too much and don’t appreciate the wins.  It’s probably a metaphor on life… or something like that.  Who knows, maybe many of these “troublesome” posters aren’t like this in other areas of their lives.

I hope the team continues an upward trend, but more so I hope we all find real satisfaction in what makes us happy (as long as it’s not the team bombing just to be right/get your way!  ) and we share that joy with others.

[PuertoRicanNightmare]

I don't know if y'all have noticed that I haven't visited the basketball threads recently, but here's why: even though I have put many of the more egregious posters on Ignore, it is simply not worth wading through all the vitriol, mean-spiritedness, and outright stupidity to get to anything that I would want to read.

FFS, we soundly beat a top-ten team, and some of you still found reasons to post harshly negative crap during and after the game. Every single thread, even if it starts out as reasonable discourse (like this one), devolves into a name-calling, dick-swinging argument about the same topics over and over again. This isn't a Marquette fan site any more.  It's a Marquette bashing site.  Fans of our opponents who visit this site must laugh their asses off, and I don't blame them.

I don't need to waste my time reading the posts of armchair coaches, failed athletes, and straight up idiots who have nothing constructive or insightful to say. It is possible to criticize without being hateful, but most of the recent posters on Scoop have chosen to forgo that route.  I know several other folks who used to be very active on Scoop who don't even log in anymore, and they were some of the most incisive, entertaining posters.

I am forever grateful to the mods for creating this site, as I have derived a lot of pleasure from participating in it.  But they have allowed it to be taken over by its most despicable posters.   Perhaps they don't mind, or may even agree with those "fans".  But if they want to return Scoop to the days when fans could have reasonable conversations, may I humbly suggest that they put the worst offenders (and we all know who they are) on a very long break and allow the site to mend itself.

I read all your posts aloud in a shrill, screeching voice.

[MomofMUltiples]

I read all your posts aloud in a shrill, screeching voice.

It's truly a shame that you would think that of an intelligent, articulate woman.

[skianth16]

Missing Scoopers:  There is a reason some of us don't bother showing up and posting multiple times on the same topic where two or three posters over and over and over start threads of some sort of Wojo being fired, replaced, etc. 

Not worth our time, especially where the posters don't understand their own illogical "bias confirmation" mindset. The confirmation bias on here by some is off the charts. Acknowledging it is the first step to a more reasoned analysis.  MU82's post is but one example of trying to point this out to a poster.

Not worth the time since it is not going to happen, as the program is doing well.  I understand there are those that only care about winning and that is fine.  But a lot of us are not going to debate the same issues over and over and over.  Hence, why this poster doesn't show up in each of these threads that get started after a loss.

The highest volume posters are pro Wojo. The posters who start the most threads are pro Wojo. What I think you're seeing is that more and more people seem to be getting frustrated with Wojo, not that one or two disgruntled fans are taking over the board.

As far as the confirmation  bias, you're 100% right, but it's a two-way street. We all do it, regardless of our views on a particular coach, player, opponent, etc. People always find what they're looking for.

Maybe Scoop should only allow 10 posts per thread or per day. That would definitely cut back on all the redundant conversations, and we might actually see a thread or two stay on topic. Sadly, a few here might lose out on their primary hobby.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

I read all your posts aloud in a shrill, screeching voice.

Completely unnecessary. No need to make sexist comments

[warriorchick]

It's truly a shame that you would think that of an intelligent, articulate woman.

hmm...I did not see PRN's post before this because I had him on Ignore.

But thank you, PRN, for unequivocally proving my point.   

[#UnleashSean]

The highest volume posters are pro Wojo. The posters who start the most threads are pro Wojo. What I think you're seeing is that more and more people seem to be getting frustrated with Wojo, not that one or two disgruntled fans are taking over the board.

As far as the confirmation  bias, you're 100% right, but it's a two-way street. We all do it, regardless of our views on a particular coach, player, opponent, etc. People always find what they're looking for.

Maybe Scoop should only allow 10 posts per thread or per day. That would definitely cut back on all the redundant conversations, and we might actually see a thread or two stay on topic. Sadly, a few here might lose out on their primary hobby.

Theres probably 5 people on here who just need a 90 day ban. Ironically, these are the same 5 people who ruined the superbar.

[Goose]

skianth

I agree. Many of the pro Wojo camp love to attack non Wojo supporters. While I take my jabs at folks, it is usually after being jabbed multiple times in advance.

[PuertoRicanNightmare]

hmm...I did not see PRN's post before this because I had him on Ignore.

But thank you, PRN, for unequivocally proving my point.   

[WarriorDad]

I don't know if y'all have noticed that I haven't visited the basketball threads recently, but here's why: even though I have put many of the more egregious posters on Ignore, it is simply not worth wading through all the vitriol, mean-spiritedness, and outright stupidity to get to anything that I would want to read.

FFS, we soundly beat a top-ten team, and some of you still found reasons to post harshly negative crap during and after the game. Every single thread, even if it starts out as reasonable discourse (like this one), devolves into a name-calling, dick-swinging argument about the same topics over and over again. This isn't a Marquette fan site any more.  It's a Marquette bashing site.  Fans of our opponents who visit this site must laugh their asses off, and I don't blame them.

I don't need to waste my time reading the posts of armchair coaches, failed athletes, and straight up idiots who have nothing constructive or insightful to say. It is possible to criticize without being hateful, but most of the recent posters on Scoop have chosen to forgo that route.  I know several other folks who used to be very active on Scoop who don't even log in anymore, and they were some of the most incisive, entertaining posters.

I am forever grateful to the mods for creating this site, as I have derived a lot of pleasure from participating in it.  But they have allowed it to be taken over by its most despicable posters.   Perhaps they don't mind, or may even agree with those "fans".  But if they want to return Scoop to the days when fans could have reasonable conversations, may I humbly suggest that they put the worst offenders (and we all know who they are) on a very long break and allow the site to mend itself.

I used to visit daily, but now come weekly for the most part.  Got into it with a few members last year about the Bulls and Lebron.  The anti Wojo bashing. The constant claims of being a different person.  Not worth the energy.

The other Marquette message board is no different.   Where does one go?  It is the nature of the digital space I am afraid.  Cardinals NFL forum is the same.  Cubs sites are the same.

[real chili 83]

Some of us have retreated to the safety, civility, and sanity of the Underboard.

Chick, you are dead on.

[LloydsLegs]

I read all your posts aloud in a shrill, screeching voice.

reprehensible and sexist

but expected

[WarriorDad]

I read all your posts aloud in a shrill, screeching voice.

Uncalled for

[GooooMarquette]

Well said, Chick. Very well said.

[Silent Verbal]

“Mods, please ban those posters whose views I don’t agree with!”

But seriously, this is the worst five year stretch MU ball has had since Scoop started in 2006.  Things were bound to get increasingly negative, especially since that stretch came on the heels of our best run since Al.  No real surprise there.  Things will get more positive when MU has more success.  Until then, there will be those who complain, and those who complain about the complainers.

[dinger]

“Mods, please ban those posters whose views I don’t agree with!”

Maybe instead of banning anyone, we could just limit all individual posters to like 5 or 10 posts a day. I can't think of anything about MUBB so important to say that I need to say it more than 5 times in a day, or something that hasn't already been said in the other 120,000 posts in the last year. Or maybe relax that in just the gameday threads or something. Just a thought?

[willie warrior]

That's it. If you criticize Eojo or the direction the program is heading, ban speed ahead.

[Pakuni]

Until then, there will be those who complain, and those who complain about the complainers.

And those who complain about being complained about.

[GB Warrior]

Maybe instead of banning anyone, we could just limit all individual posters to like 5 or 10 posts a day. I can't think of anything about MUBB so important to say that I need to say it more than 5 times in a day, or something that hasn't already been said in the other 120,000 posts in the last year. Or maybe relax that in just the gameday threads or something. Just a thought?

I disapprove, as it conflicts with my plans to introduce a series of Pro-jo and No-jo bots to stir up discord.

[Skatastrophy]

I like Marquette basketball.

[Goose]

real 83

You are a member of a lot of secret MU ball clubs. Well deserved, you are one of the good ones!

[WhoaJoe2020]

Warriorchick, while I agree with the good intent of your post, and the part about extremely negative posters, I don't believe in bans or stifling of debate regarding Wojo. If people can start from a point of agreed upon facts, and not exaggerate those facts or cherry pick from them, a civil, appropriate, serious and necessary discussion can occur. This is a Marquette fan site, and the head coach in a pivotal year is a worthy topic for discussion , as are the players. If people would constructively critique Wojo and the team, rather than constantly criticize, they might even find their arguments being received more openly. Many already do this.

There are a few though, or maybe more than a few who go into full trash mode, with caustic and vitriolic attacks directed at Wojo, the players, and any poster who attempts to counter their borderline hate speech.

Name calling and insulting people for their views is where the mods could and IMHO should exercise their ban hammer muscles.

I appreciate your call for the board to be better and I fully support the sentiment.