Markus GOAT

[Pakuni]

maybe north.carolina and hansborough?

They'd also be wrong.

[Goose]

Fluff

In reading everyone's top ten, it appears that most agree on 7-8 players and I agree with most lists. To me, after the first six or seven it really comes down to the type of player you like, success as a team and possibly era or favorite player.

IMO there are guys careers, post Al, that I would prefer a 2.0 version over Howard. If someone would rather have a Howard 2.0 over my taking a Butler, Jae or D James repeat career, I am fine with that.

Howard is unreal scorer and entertaining. I would never argue that. Give me a healthy D James playing lockdown D and ability to score everyday over Howard scoring 40 a night.

[Jay Bee]

Howard is unreal scorer and entertaining. I would never argue that. Give me a healthy D James playing lockdown D and ability to score everyday over Howard scoring 40 a night.

5'11" guys that shoot 29% career from 3fg% and have a consistently declining usage over their four seasons... can't see that over Howard. Not even close. Dom simply couldn't shoot.

[The Sultan]

IMO there is no way that Jimmy Butler or Dominic James were better college basketball players than Markus Howard.

[Jockey]

It's a paternalistic asinine take that he will have a hard time backing out of unless he says he was drunk while making it.

I wasn't questioning his inclusion of the old guys, but rather challenging why he didn't include MH.

Since this is a subjective list, I see no problem.

[PGsHeroes32]

Fluff

In reading everyone's top ten, it appears that most agree on 7-8 players and I agree with most lists. To me, after the first six or seven it really comes down to the type of player you like, success as a team and possibly era or favorite player.

IMO there are guys careers, post Al, that I would prefer a 2.0 version over Howard. If someone would rather have a Howard 2.0 over my taking a Butler, Jae or D James repeat career, I am fine with that.

Howard is unreal scorer and entertaining. I would never argue that. Give me a healthy D James playing lockdown D and ability to score everyday over Howard scoring 40 a night.

James over Howard is an absolute travesty

[🏀]

He was clearly one of UNC's top 10 all time players.  If their fans feel otherwise, they're delusional.

See Goose.

[CountryRoads]

James over Howard is an absolute travesty

I was just looking at James' career stats. It's amazing how similar they are all four years. Guy really set the bar high his freshman year and kind of just stayed the same through his whole career.

[Jay Bee]

I was just looking at James' career stats. It's amazing how similar they are all four years. Guy really set the bar high his freshman year and kind of just stayed the same through his whole career.

Except that freshman year his usage was 27.7% and %Shots were 27.5%.. those dropped to 21.5% and 22.0% as a senior.

#FTsNoMatta, but damn.. forgot he shot flippin 46.1% from the line as a senior (and a fairly normal - for him - 28.4% 3FG%)...

There may be only one person in the world who'd want that over Markus

[Elonsmusk]

Bold Prediction:  Markus to the Bucks in First Round.

Bledsoe can't shoot.  Floor spacing Giannis commands/creates?  Markus could thrive.  Giannis erases a lot of defensive warts, as does Brook Lopez.  Middleton solid defender.  All of which could cover for the one area of deficiency Markus will bring at NBA level - defense.

[Eldon]

James over Howard is an absolute travesty

Maybe he meant to add the qualifier "at the PG position"

[Cheeks]

Except that freshman year his usage was 27.7% and %Shots were 27.5%.. those dropped to 21.5% and 22.0% as a senior.

#FTsNoMatta, but damn.. forgot he shot flippin 46.1% from the line as a senior (and a fairly normal - for him - 28.4% 3FG%)...

There may be only one person in the world who'd want that over Markus

DJ brought some intangibles to the PG position that are tough to measure.  He was a leader.  All of this is subjective of course.

[🏀]

Dakich just said MU didn't deserve the national championship, does that change anyone's top ten?

[Goose]

PTM
I agree we did not deserve to win championship in '79.

[🏀]

PTM
I agree we did not deserve to win championship in '79.

Haha!

[Herman Cain]

The last 10 years of Al tenure we were the second best program in the country - behind only UCLA and John Wooden, better than Dean Smith and N Carolina, Kentucky, Indiana, etc. We were a top 10 team every year. We declined a bid one year and won what was still a prestigious NIT tournament. In the other 9 we won 1 title, were runner up once and had multiple elite 8s. Our WORST finish in those years was the Sweet 16. Those 10 years produced 10 of the best 12 teams in Marquette history.

Look, I get that those who didn't experience it don't have the attachment to that era that we old farts have - history isn't as exciting as living something. I wish that all Scoopers would could have gone through it.

I agree with this analysis.

[lawdog77]

They'd also be wrong.

agreed, collegiately he might be #1 for them, but NCGoose would say Mike Okoren was better.

[Lennys Tap]

I'm a big Markus fan. He's the greatest scorer in MU history. but when he's stopped or slowed by a good game plan, good D or an off night there's really nothing he does very well to make up for it. Passer? Rebounder? Defender? Ball handler?

40, 51, 6. That's an average of 32+ a game. Spectacular - but wildly inconsistent.

So, one great, elite, out of this world skill. With an ultra high standard deviation. That might be the GOAT at some places. No way it is at Marquette.

[Shooter McGavin]

That's right Lenny, for now.  Make your decision once his career is over.  You never know what can happen. 

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

PTM
I agree we did not deserve to win championship in '79.

Love it

[Lennys Tap]

That's right Lenny, for now.  Make your decision once his career is over.  You never know what can happen.

Shooter

I agree that's when we make our final decision...but there's already a lot of hay in the barn.

[1SE]

For me the tourney run will still make the final determination, but if he's not in your conversation at this point (i.e. top-10) pass me whatever it is you're smoking.

[warriorchick]

Is there an official hashtag to promote Markus as National Player of the year? If not, someone is falling down on the job.

[brewcity77]

Is there an official hashtag to promote Markus as National Player of the year? If not, someone is falling down on the job.

I've been adding #MarkusHowardNPOY to all my tweets, but it might be long and unwieldy.

[warriorchick]

I've been adding #MarkusHowardNPOY to all my tweets, but it might be long and unwieldy.

I propose #Markus4NPOY  It's succinct and everyone we want to influence would know what that means.