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Author Topic: MLB Hot Stove 2019-20  (Read 18382 times)

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Re: MLB Hot Stove 2019-20
« Reply #525 on: January 21, 2020, 05:30:31 PM »
Derek Jeter and Larry Walker are your 2020 Hall of Fame inductees.

I can't wait to find out who is the only voter to not vote for Jeter.
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Re: MLB Hot Stove 2019-20
« Reply #526 on: January 21, 2020, 05:39:41 PM »
I can't wait to find out who is the only voter to not vote for Jeter.

The next five were:
Curt Schilling (70 percent)
Roger Clemens (61 percent)
Barry Bonds (60.7 percent)
Omar Vizquel (52.6 percent)
Scott Rolen (35.3 percent)

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Re: MLB Hot Stove 2019-20
« Reply #527 on: January 21, 2020, 05:43:17 PM »
I can't wait to find out who is the only voter to not vote for Jeter.
It would be funny if it was the same guy who voted for JJ Putz

COMPLETE VOTING TOTALS
Scott Rolen: 140 (35.3)
Billy Wagner: 126 (31.7)
Gary Sheffield: 121 (30.5)
Todd Helton: 116 (29.2)
Manny Ramírez: 112 (28.2)
Jeff Kent 109: (27.5)
Andruw Jones: 77 (19.4)
Sammy Sosa: 55 (13.9)
Andy Pettitte: 45 (11.3)
Bobby Abreu: 22 (5.5)
Paul Konerko: 10 (2.5)
Jason Giambi: 6 (1.5)
Alfonso Soriano: 6 (1.5)
Eric Chávez: 2 (0.5)
Cliff Lee: 2 (0.5)
Adam Dunn: 1 (0.3)
Brad Penny: 1 (0.3)
Raúl Ibañez: 1 (0.3)
J.J. Putz: 1 (0.3)
Josh Beckett, Heath Bell, Chone Figgins, Rafael Furcal, Carlos Peña, Brian Roberts, José Valverde: 0

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Re: MLB Hot Stove 2019-20
« Reply #528 on: January 21, 2020, 06:49:44 PM »
I hope the Braves sign the most underrated hitter in every FA class to a monster 1 yr deal every offseason. Its fun.

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Re: MLB Hot Stove 2019-20
« Reply #529 on: January 21, 2020, 07:14:53 PM »
Good for Larry Walker, well earned.

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Ozuna wanted to go back to St. Louis but the Cardinals wanted to move on. The Cardinals made the one year qualifying offer to get the draft pick. We'll see how that works out for both.

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Re: MLB Hot Stove 2019-20
« Reply #530 on: January 21, 2020, 09:06:09 PM »
I can't wait to find out who is the only voter to not vote for Jeter.


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Re: MLB Hot Stove 2019-20
« Reply #531 on: January 21, 2020, 09:16:09 PM »

I want to shake his hand

Amen!!! Who the h3ll are Mariano Rivera and Derek Jeter?

Ruth, Wagner, Young, Johnson, Williams, Cobb, Mays, Aaron, etc., weren't worthy of unanimous selection, but Rivera was? And Jeter would have been if not for one brave soul?

Give me a break.

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Re: MLB Hot Stove 2019-20
« Reply #532 on: January 21, 2020, 09:33:36 PM »
Amen!!! Who the h3ll are Mariano Rivera and Derek Jeter?

Ruth, Wagner, Young, Johnson, Williams, Cobb, Mays, Aaron, etc., weren't worthy of unanimous selection, but Rivera was? And Jeter would have been if not for one brave soul?

Give me a break.

I'm not sure how people being stupid in the past is a reason to be stupid in the present.
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« Reply #533 on: January 21, 2020, 09:45:59 PM »
I'm not sure how people being stupid in the past is a reason to be stupid in the present.

Simply put, a guy who is certainly not even in the top 50, and probably not in the top 100 all-time, doesn't deserve unanimous selection.

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Re: MLB Hot Stove 2019-20
« Reply #534 on: January 21, 2020, 09:55:35 PM »
I hope the Braves sign the most underrated hitter in every FA class to a monster 1 yr deal every offseason. Its fun.

A one year deal is good for the Braves, but I certainly wouldn't call Ozuna the most underrated hitter in free agency.

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« Reply #535 on: January 21, 2020, 10:38:26 PM »
I can't wait to find out who is the only voter to not vote for Jeter.

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« Reply #536 on: January 21, 2020, 10:58:25 PM »
I can't wait to find out who is the only voter to not vote for Jeter.

I’m kind of glad.  He’s definitely a HOFer, but there were guys better than him that got nowhere close to 100%.
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« Reply #537 on: January 22, 2020, 07:27:57 AM »
There's a reason a lot of non-Yankees fans hate Derek Jeter and it has nothing to do with him.  It is the endless need by the sports media to hold him up as some icon of goodness.  The scroll during our game on FS1 had "Yankees legend Derek Jeter, OF Larry Walker voted into Hall of Fame."

Tower, FYI, Lou Whitaker has a higher career WAR than Derek Jeter.  For you Cubs/Brewers fans, Joe Posnanski is doing a phenomenal series on the top 100 baseball players of all time on The Athletic, and Ernie Banks arrived today at no. 65, Robin Yount was no. 66 and Derek Jeter was no. 79.
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Re: MLB Hot Stove 2019-20
« Reply #538 on: January 22, 2020, 09:25:54 AM »
A one year deal is good for the Braves, but I certainly wouldn't call Ozuna the most underrated hitter in free agency.

You're right most underrated is probably overstated.  I just meant that after Donaldson last year, they seem to be making a habit of swooping in for solid, veteran hitters who haven't been able to find the long term deal they're looking for.  Assuming Ozuna does Ozuna things, its been a nice low-risk strategy for them.

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« Reply #539 on: January 22, 2020, 10:09:44 AM »
There's a reason a lot of non-Yankees fans hate Derek Jeter and it has nothing to do with him.  It is the endless need by the sports media to hold him up as some icon of goodness.  The scroll during our game on FS1 had "Yankees legend Derek Jeter, OF Larry Walker voted into Hall of Fame."

Tower, FYI, Lou Whitaker has a higher career WAR than Derek Jeter.  For you Cubs/Brewers fans, Joe Posnanski is doing a phenomenal series on the top 100 baseball players of all time on The Athletic, and Ernie Banks arrived today at no. 65, Robin Yount was no. 66 and Derek Jeter was no. 79.

Bingo.  They also have managed to turn 2 plays, the flip at home and the "dive" into the stands (which was probably unnecessary and he could have pulled up) into this idea that he was an exceptional defender, when all of the metrics point him to not being just average, but actually a pretty poor defensive shortstop.  And there is just AGGRESSIVE pearl clutching if you could dare to speak ill of St Jeter.

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« Reply #540 on: January 22, 2020, 10:33:46 AM »
Bingo.  They also have managed to turn 2 plays, the flip at home and the "dive" into the stands (which was probably unnecessary and he could have pulled up) into this idea that he was an exceptional defender, when all of the metrics point him to not being just average, but actually a pretty poor defensive shortstop.  And there is just AGGRESSIVE pearl clutching if you could dare to speak ill of St Jeter.
I remember Alexi Ramirez should've won the GG in '10.  I'm too lazy to look it up, but assume another defender got robbed in (most? all?) of Jeter's four remaining Gold Glove seasons.

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Re: MLB Hot Stove 2019-20
« Reply #541 on: January 22, 2020, 11:01:03 AM »
I’m kind of glad.  He’s definitely a HOFer, but there were guys better than him that got nowhere close to 100%.

Ok that's fair, but what is there any reason, other than being the percentage police, to not include Derek Jeter on a HOF ballot?

I can't think of a legit baseball reason. 
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« Reply #542 on: January 22, 2020, 11:28:41 AM »
Ok that's fair, but what is there any reason, other than being the percentage police, to not include Derek Jeter on a HOF ballot?

I can't think of a legit baseball reason.
No.  But people didn't vote for Babe Ruth, Joe DiMaggio, Ted Williams, etc.  Frankly, Mariano Rivera was a weird choice to be the first unanimous selection, since he is in the lowest quartile of HOFers in WAR due to his role.
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« Reply #543 on: January 22, 2020, 11:29:23 AM »
The amount of handwringing that is going to occur as Schilling, Bonds and Clemens (among others, but let's be real - Sosa and McGuire are never getting in) is going to be something to behold. Especially since are no blue-chip first timers next year.
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« Reply #544 on: January 22, 2020, 11:31:40 AM »
I can't think of a legit baseball reason.
I remember a writer who left Griffey off claiming that there were 10, other, worthy candidates.  Knowing Junior was going to make in anyway, he did not "waste" one of his limited picks on a sure-thing.

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« Reply #545 on: January 22, 2020, 12:00:00 PM »
No.  But people didn't vote for Babe Ruth, Joe DiMaggio, Ted Williams, etc.  Frankly, Mariano Rivera was a weird choice to be the first unanimous selection, since he is in the lowest quartile of HOFers in WAR due to his role.

Right, but as buck correctly stated earlier, bad voting decisions of the past doesn't justify bad voting decisions of the present.

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« Reply #546 on: January 22, 2020, 12:04:04 PM »
Right, but as buck correctly stated earlier, bad voting decisions of the past doesn't justify bad voting decisions of the present.
I'd have voted for Rivera, just a weird guy to be the first unanimous, since being a closer could be a deal breaker for some voters in the same way that being a DH might be.  I can understand not voting for closers more than I can understand not voting for DHs.
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« Reply #548 on: January 22, 2020, 12:24:47 PM »
I'd have voted for Rivera, just a weird guy to be the first unanimous, since being a closer could be a deal breaker for some voters in the same way that being a DH might be.  I can understand not voting for closers more than I can understand not voting for DHs.

I'm not speaking to Rivera in particular, but rather the argument out there that "Since Babe Ruth didn't get 100%, neither should  (insert name here)."
Also hate the idea that a giy doesn't deserve to be elected on first ballot/second ballot, etc. A guy is either a HOFer or not. The notion that a guy is unworthy one year but totally worthy five years later is ridiculous.

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« Reply #549 on: January 22, 2020, 12:55:29 PM »
I'm not speaking to Rivera in particular, but rather the argument out there that "Since Babe Ruth didn't get 100%, neither should  (insert name here)."
Also hate the idea that a giy doesn't deserve to be elected on first ballot/second ballot, etc. A guy is either a HOFer or not. The notion that a guy is unworthy one year but totally worthy five years later is ridiculous.
I agree with that, especially since there is a unanimous selection now.
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