MLB Hot Stove 2019-20

[Pakuni]

Sign-stealing penalties have come down, per Ken Rosenthal:

BREAKING: Per sources, MLB's penalties for #Astros include:
*One-year suspensions for GM Jeff Luhnow and manager AJ Hinch.
*Losses of 1st and 2nd round draft picks in both 2020 and '21.
*A fine of $5M.
* MLB has placed former Astros assistant GM Brandon Taubman on its ineligible list.
*Discipline for Red Sox manager Alex Cora, the Houston bench coach in 2017, will be determined after MLB completes its investigation of Boston.

[TallTitan34]

Sign-stealing penalties have come down, per Ken Rosenthal:

BREAKING: Per sources, MLB's penalties for #Astros include:
*One-year suspensions for GM Jeff Luhnow and manager AJ Hinch.
*Losses of 1st and 2nd round draft picks in both 2020 and '21.
*A fine of $5M.
* MLB has placed former Astros assistant GM Brandon Taubman on its ineligible list.
*Discipline for Red Sox manager Alex Cora, the Houston bench coach in 2017, will be determined after MLB completes its investigation of Boston.

Huge penalties!  I expected nothing after the Cardinals got slapped on the wrist for hacking the Astros.

[Cheeks]

Sign-stealing penalties have come down, per Ken Rosenthal:

BREAKING: Per sources, MLB's penalties for #Astros include:
*One-year suspensions for GM Jeff Luhnow and manager AJ Hinch.
*Losses of 1st and 2nd round draft picks in both 2020 and '21.
*A fine of $5M.
* MLB has placed former Astros assistant GM Brandon Taubman on its ineligible list.
*Discipline for Red Sox manager Alex Cora, the Houston bench coach in 2017, will be determined after MLB completes its investigation of Boston.

GOOD!!!  TYRANNICAL!  LOVE IT!

[lawdog77]

Sign-stealing penalties have come down, per Ken Rosenthal:

BREAKING: Per sources, MLB's penalties for #Astros include:
*One-year suspensions for GM Jeff Luhnow and manager AJ Hinch.
*Losses of 1st and 2nd round draft picks in both 2020 and '21.
*A fine of $5M.
* MLB has placed former Astros assistant GM Brandon Taubman on its ineligible list.
*Discipline for Red Sox manager Alex Cora, the Houston bench coach in 2017, will be determined after MLB completes its investigation of Boston.

ncaa...take notes

[buckchuckler]

Sign-stealing penalties have come down, per Ken Rosenthal:

BREAKING: Per sources, MLB%u2019s penalties for #Astros include:
*One-year suspensions for GM Jeff Luhnow and manager AJ Hinch.
*Losses of 1st and 2nd round draft picks in both 2020 and %u201821.
*A fine of $5M.
* MLB has placed former Astros assistant GM Brandon Taubman on its ineligible list.
*Discipline for Red Sox manager Alex Cora, the Houston bench coach in 2017, will be determined after MLB completes its investigation of Boston.

Love it.  Kind of wish it were a bit more strict, but its solid. 

I bet Boston doesn't get out of this unscathed.  Well--- Cora anyways.

Hinch and Luhnow fired...

[ZiggysFryBoy]

Disappointed in Hinch.  Seemes like a good guy, was involved with USA Baseball and coach training.

[Pakuni]

Now being reported that the Astros have fired Hinch and Luhnow.

Will Alex Cora survive?

[wadesworld]

ncaa...take notes

Hope you aren't holding your breath.

[Dish]

Hinch and Luhnow are the fall guys, hopefully Cora gets a multi year suspension.

Seems like MLB probably knew both Hinch and Luhnow would be terminated, hence the one season suspension.

No players mentioned, seems like someone on the field should have been complicit here.

Draft pick losses are the key here.

[lawdog77]

Draft pick losses are the key here.

Serious question. How big are first and second round draft picks  in MLB versus NBA and NFL? As in, how many 1st and second round picks make it to the major leagues? I know farm systems are important for most teams, but how much?

[Pakuni]

Serious question. How big are first and second round draft picks  in MLB versus NBA and NFL? As in, how many 1st and second round picks make it to the major leagues? I know farm systems are important for most teams, but how much?

Not nearly as important. Most first-round picks make it to the majors, but the majority aren't impact players. About half  second-round picks make it, but again, not impact players.

Those odds vary dramatically depending on where a player is drafted. First-round picks can expect to reach the major leagues. First-round picks who don't make it are the exception. From 1981 to 2010, 73 percent of first-round picks reached the majors. In 2004, only two of the 29 first-round picks who signed failed to make the majors—a 93 percent success rate that will be hard to beat.
But that success rate drops off quickly. By the second round, the rate of players who reach the majors dips to 51 percent. In the third round, 40 percent are eventually going to be major leaguers. From there it continues to steadily dip.

https://www.baseballamerica.com/stories/how-many-mlb-draftees-make-it-to-the-majors/

https://community.fangraphs.com/success-rate-of-mlb-first-round-draft-picks-by-slot/

[Cheeks]

ncaa...take notes

NCAA is an association of members....come on...you're a lawyer, you know the differences between the orgs are watermelons to chevy pickup trucks.

[lawdog77]

NCAA is an association of members....come on...you're a lawyer, you know the differences between the orgs are watermelons to chevy pickup trucks.

Unlike you, I don't know everything. But I do know that the NCAA could ban instiutions from post season bids and give coaches show causes. Some of these recent allegations, if true, deserve that.

[buckchuckler]

Hinch and Luhnow are the fall guys, hopefully Cora gets a multi year suspension.

Seems like MLB probably knew both Hinch and Luhnow would be terminated, hence the one season suspension.

No players mentioned, seems like someone on the field should have been complicit here.

Draft pick losses are the key here.

They probably didn't want to open a can of worms with the MLBPA with a new CBA on the horizon. 

[buckchuckler]

Serious question. How big are first and second round draft picks  in MLB versus NBA and NFL? As in, how many 1st and second round picks make it to the major leagues? I know farm systems are important for most teams, but how much?

They are more risky than the NFL or NBA, but that is still significant.  They also lose the pool money for the draft, which is also a big deal and can help teams later on in the draft. 

While the draft in any sport is a crap shoot, and moreso in baseball, the first round is still a team's best bet to secure an impact player.  The only thing that competes is the international market ( I would have loved to see Houston get hit here too...) but that is still risky as it usually means signing kids that are 16 or 17 years old.

[shoothoops]

Huge penalties!  I expected nothing after the Cardinals got slapped on the wrist for hacking the Astros.

The Cardinals had to give up their top two draft picks, and were fined the maximum allowed at the time. Chris Correa was banned for life and went to prison.  The Astros seem to keep getting into these situations.

[MUBurrow]

A.J. Hinch, crossed the line
Luhnow gone, heavy fine
Draft picks lost, rings are not
Owner sad for getting caught
Crane denied part in team's
Making up the banging scheme
Taubman censured in the text
Cora, Beltran might be next

We didn't blame Mike Fiers.


I don't know how to embed tweets on scoop but this guy made my day with this:
Matt Sussman  🥌
‏@suss2hyphens

[tower912]

A.J. Hinch, crossed the line
Luhnow gone, heavy fine
Draft picks lost, rings are not
Owner sad for getting caught
Crane denied part in team's
Making up the banging scheme
Taubman censured in the text
Cora, Beltran might be next

We didn't blame Mike Fiers.


I don't know how to embed tweets on scoop but this guy made my day with this:
Matt Sussman  🥌
‏@suss2hyphens

He was always pitching but now he's bitching...

[MUBurrow]

He was always pitching but now he's bitching...

Cannot throw a fastball
Put in a call to Rosenthal

[tower912]

Everybody thinks he sucks
just tryin' to make a couple bucks. 

[Dish]

They probably didn't want to open a can of worms with the MLBPA with a new CBA on the horizon.

I forgot where I read it this afternoon, but I believe I heard players were given immunity for their cooperation. If that's the case, I can see that making sense.

I agree with you on the international bonus pool money, I'd have liked to see them get the hammer there as well. My gut feeling is still that the international system will change drastically upon a new CBA. Also agree that that on the surface to some it doesn't seem like the draft picks may be that big a deal, but in MLB with their slotted allotment for draft picks, it certainly cripples them from the ability to over slot a guy now. They'd really have to hit on someone and have a prearranged agreement to get to round 3 now to make that happen.

[Dr. Blackheart]

I bet Boston doesn't get out of this unscathed.

Then Stern and the Brewers?

[The Sultan]

Then Stern and the Brewers?

Why?  Have the Brewers been accused of something?

[cheebs09]

Why?  Have the Brewers been accused of something?

They've been accused but MLB has not found anything in any investigations.

[The Sultan]

They've been accused but MLB has not found anything in any investigations.

Wow. Thanks. Must have missed that.