Upsets! / Surprise results.

[Dr. Blackheart]

Low major...hmm....They've made the NCAA tournament 2012, 2013, 2016.  NIT 2015.  This is a good program even before TJ got there. TJ got to take over a NCAA tournament team....

So, 23/32 per KPom makes the Summit a high major? Mid? Really?  Even your doppelgänger Billy won't join you on your Scotch Island, Cheeken Little.

https://kenpom.com/conf.php?c=Sum&y=2019

[Cheeks]

So, 23/32 per KPom makes the Summit a high major? Mid? Really?  Even your doppelgänger Billy won't join you on your Scotch Island, Cheeken Little.

https://kenpom.com/conf.php?c=Sum&y=2019

SDSU has been considered a mid major since at least 2012

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/1007985-south-dakota-state-mens-basketball-the-mid-major-nobody-is-respecting?share=other


You said low major.   If you will recall a conference does not classify a program...a program does.  For the same reason Gonzaga was considered a mid major for years even when the WCC was ranked 16th to 20th. 

Currently ranked in the Mid Major top 25.  Not the low major top 25   https://www.collegeinsider.com/mens-mid-major-top-25.php

[BM1090]

Crapshoot, hey? Just like TB.

Back to MU: Throw out out Year 1 and Wojo is .500 except with the Hausers in conference. Just.Win.Out in 2020 and all is good for (y)our boy. It's that simple.

Would argue even 3-1 and all is good.

[JakeBarnes]

Would argue even 3-1 and all is good.

3-1 hits my optimistic "what happens after quitters quit" guess for conference play.

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If TJO puts out a feeler... pole ax time.

[Elonsmusk]

Would argue even 3-1 and all is good.

We should expect to beat depleted St Johns in Year 1 of Anderson regime, or depleted Georgetown in Year 3 of Ewing, and 1-11 DePaul.

3-1 is minimum acceptable. Go 2-2, and we are 9-9  in Wojo Year 6, with the program's All-time leading scorer on the roster, and a 5th year program guy - Sacar, 22.5 year old Bailey, redshirt junior Koby McEwen?   

Then again, we should be grateful Wojo is willing to accept our $2M and coach in the sh$thole that is Fiserv Forum and city of Milwaukee.

[MU82]

If TJO puts out a feeler... pole ax time.

Why? What has TJO accomplished that guarantees (or even suggests) long-term success at a P6 school, success that of course would have to include multiple deep NCAA tournament runs?

[wadesworld]

We should expect to beat depleted St Johns in Year 1 of Anderson regime, or depleted Georgetown in Year 3 of Ewing, and 1-11 DePaul.

3-1 is minimum acceptable. Go 2-2, and we are 9-9  in Wojo Year 6, with the program's All-time leading scorer on the roster, and a 5th year program guy - Sacar, 22.5 year old Bailey, redshirt junior Koby McEwen?   

Then again, we should be grateful Wojo is willing to accept our $2M and coach in the sh$thole that is Fiserv Forum and city of Milwaukee.

If Wojo is gone after this season, for whatever reason it may be, who do you want to fill the position?

Are you one of the meat eating lovers who thinks the list starts and ends with Bennett, Sampson, and Beard?

Who do you think is a realistic option to replace Wojo if he is gone?

[RJax55]

We should expect to beat depleted St Johns in Year 1 of Anderson regime, or depleted Georgetown in Year 3 of Ewing, and 1-11 DePaul.

3-1 is minimum acceptable. Go 2-2, and we are 9-9  in Wojo Year 6, with the program's All-time leading scorer on the roster, and a 5th year program guy - Sacar, 22.5 year old Bailey, redshirt junior Koby McEwen?   

The last four games are as favorable a schedule as any team in the league is going to have. Georgetown, DePaul and St. Johns are all limping to the finish. And, that road game against DePaul will be in a half full (likely even less) Wintrust Arena. A 3-1 finish or better should absolutely be the expectation.

[Billy Hoyle]

If Wojo is gone after this season, for whatever reason it may be, who do you want to fill the position?

Are you one of the meat eating lovers who thinks the list starts and ends with Bennett, Sampson, and Beard?

Who do you think is a realistic option to replace Wojo if he is gone?

Niko Medved and TJ Otzenberger would be near the top of my realistic candidates list. But Wojo will be back next year.

[Cheeks]

The last four games are as favorable a schedule as any team in the league is going to have. Georgetown, DePaul and St. Johns are all limping to the finish. And, that road game against DePaul will be in a half full (likely even less) Wintrust Arena. A 3-1 finish or better should absolutely be the expectation.

Butler finishes with DePaul and St John's at home and XU on the road.  We still have to play two on the road and the first place team.  Seton Hall has the toughest remaining schedule.

[JakeBarnes]

We should expect to beat depleted St Johns in Year 1 of Anderson regime, or depleted Georgetown in Year 3 of Ewing, and 1-11 DePaul.

3-1 is minimum acceptable. Go 2-2, and we are 9-9  in Wojo Year 6, with the program's All-time leading scorer on the roster, and a 5th year program guy - Sacar, 22.5 year old Bailey, redshirt junior Koby McEwen?   

Then again, we should be grateful Wojo is willing to accept our $2M and coach in the sh$thole that is Fiserv Forum and city of Milwaukee.

5-0 or bust. I'll bet my dunking* skills on it



*edit: my ability to eat dunkaroos by the thousands

[wadesworld]

Niko Medved and TJ Otzenberger would be near the top of my realistic candidates list. But Wojo will be back next year.

If Wojo leaves TJ with the Big East version of what Mike Daum was to the Summit League, I'd be all for it.  I'd hold off for a year or two to see how he does at UNLV without having been left what would've been a very good high major player left for him in a low major league.

But that's kind of the point.  Otzenberger is probably the most proven coach out there who would be a realistic replacement for Wojo this offseason.  And, in my opinion, he's far from a sure thing to be a great high major coach.

[MU82]

If Wojo leaves TJ with the Big East version of what Mike Daum was to the Summit League, I'd be all for it.  I'd hold off for a year or two to see how he does at UNLV without having been left what would've been a very good high major player left for him in a low major league.

But that's kind of the point.  Otzenberger is probably the most proven coach out there who would be a realistic replacement for Wojo this offseason.  And, in my opinion, he's far from a sure thing to be a great high major coach.

Perfectly stated, wades.

I am not "against" Otzenberger in any way. He might turn out to be the next Jay Wright. But he has proven bupkis so far. Time will tell ... and that's fine, because Wojo probably ain't goin' anywhere anytime soon.

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Why? What has TJO accomplished that guarantees (or even suggests) long-term success at a P6 school, success that of course would have to include multiple deep NCAA tournament runs?

That's a direction I'd like Marquette to look at. Never been a NoJo, but my opinion is TJO has a higher ceiling.

[Uncle Rico]

That's a direction I'd like Marquette to look at. Never been a NoJo, but my opinion is TJO has a higher ceiling.

UNLV is a better job

[wadesworld]

UNLV is a better job

Stop.

[Uncle Rico]

Stop.

Great history, great city, football money and pro sports growing in the city. 

[wadesworld]

Great history, great city, football money and pro sports growing in the city.

Thank you for making my point for me.

[Cheeks]

UNLV is a better job

Easier job for sure

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UNLV is a better job

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[Uncle Rico]

Easier job for sure

No doubt.  Mountain West is an easier league to win in.  UNLV has as much history as Marquette in basketball success.  Get the right coach in there that embraces the past and the city, no reason they can't be a power again

[Billy Hoyle]

Great history, great city, football money and pro sports growing in the city.

plus, academic standards don't exist for incoming or continuing players, the administration looks the other way on pretty much any transgression. It's what Buzz wanted on steroids.

[Uncle Rico]

plus, academic standards don't exist for incoming or continuing players, the administration looks the other way on pretty much any transgression. It's what Buzz wanted on steroids.

It's a low key great job

[MUDPT]

If Wojo is gone after this season, for whatever reason it may be, who do you want to fill the position?

Are you one of the meat eating lovers who thinks the list starts and ends with Bennett, Sampson, and Beard?

Who do you think is a realistic option to replace Wojo if he is gone?

I'd also add Scott Nagy and for my stat nerd heart Kyle Smith.