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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: fjm on November 12, 2019, 09:00:39 PM
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Ok. Some of these games require notice. Just because we are CBB fans.
We have a BEast results threat. How about one for surprise results or big upsets occurring all around CBB.
Kentucky loses to Evansville tonight!!
Auburn down 1 with 20 seconds left to South Alabama.
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Davidson lost by 13 at Charlotte as 10 point favorites.
Kentucky had never lost at home as a #1 ranked team. They were 39-0.
Evansville had never beaten a ranked team on the road.
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St. Mary's was a double digit home favorite over Winthrop and lost after beating UW
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Ok. Some of these games require notice. Just because we are CBB fans.
We have a BEast results threat. How about one for surprise results or big upsets occurring all around CBB.
Kentucky loses to Evansville tonight!!
Auburn down 1 with 20 seconds left to South Alabama.
they ought to fire cal on the spot!!
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Kentucky loses to Evansville tonight!!
Evansville is predicted to finish 8th in their conference.
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#Crapshoot
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#BadMatchup
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Izzo agrees.
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Davidson lost by 13 at Charlotte as 10 point favorites..
I have voiced my concern about our game against Davidson, but this is two straight in which they've laid an egg. I'd rather them have saved these kinds of clunkers for us!
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Kinda bummed Auburn pulled out their W.
Also bummed about Davidson. Was hoping they would ride into our game against them with a solid early resume.
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we are going to be seeing many games like this throughout the year...including us losing to someone that will blow this board up. college basketball is always full of surprises...some of them no so pleasant
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we are going to be seeing many games like this throughout the year...including us losing to someone that will blow this board up. college basketball is always full of surprises...some of them no so pleasant
Got that right
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we are going to be seeing many games like this throughout the year...including us losing to someone that will blow this board up. college basketball is always full of surprises...some of them no so pleasant
Wow ... you and I actually agree on something, rocketman!
The No. 1 team in the country just lost at home to a team that was 11-21 last year, which was 44-53 the last three seasons, and which hasn't made the NCAA tourney in 20 years.
But if we lose tonight to Purdue, it will be the most horrendous loss in the history of mankind.
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But if we lose tonight to Purdue, it will be the most horrendous loss in the history of mankind.
Nope. It'll just be a loss.
Happens to all coaches/programs.
The better the coach/program the less frequently.
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Wow ... you and I actually agree on something, rocketman!
The No. 1 team in the country just lost at home to a team that was 11-21 last year, which was 44-53 the last three seasons, and which hasn't made the NCAA tourney in 20 years.
But if we lose tonight to Purdue, it will be the most horrendous loss in the history of mankind.
A little perspective: Marquette was 2-4 against Evansville during my years on campus. Sure, we'll find things to complain about, but always remember how awful things can be. At one point when we were in the MCC, Evansville was kind of a mini-rivalry and they had the better of it.
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Wasn't their claim to fame back then that they wore jerseys with sleeves?
EDIT: Yes! Jim Crews brought back sleeved jerseys in the mid-80s and they stayed unitl the early 2000s
https://www.courierpress.com/story/sports/college/evansville/2018/12/12/evansville-basketball-debut-new-throwback-sleeved-jerseys/2289681002/
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Wasn't their claim to fame back then that they wore jerseys with sleeves?
Yes, I remember those jerseys.
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A little perspective: Marquette was 2-4 against Evansville during my years on campus. Sure, we'll find things to complain about, but always remember how awful things can be. At one point when we were in the MCC, Evansville was kind of a mini-rivalry and they had the better of it.
That rivalry spawned the 13 point play
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Has not been a great start to the season for our non-con opponents.
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A little perspective: Marquette was 2-4 against Evansville during my years on campus. Sure, we'll find things to complain about, but always remember how awful things can be. At one point when we were in the MCC, Evansville was kind of a mini-rivalry and they had the better of it.
I mean, in the 5 years surrounding Marquette's time in the MCC (+1 year on each side), Evansville won the conference 3 times and won 25ish games. Jim Crews had them cooking. I remember Purple Aces from being a kid and it wasn't random, they were a very legit mid major team for awhile.
As for last night, they definitely tightened up and got spooked towards the end, but Kentucky just had no interest in taking the game away from them. Incredible win and maybe a program builder for Walter McCartney
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Nope. It'll just be a loss.
Happens to all coaches/programs.
The better the coach/program the less frequently.
So sick and tired of "facts" and "logic."
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A little perspective: Marquette was 2-4 against Evansville during my years on campus. Sure, we'll find things to complain about, but always remember how awful things can be. At one point when we were in the MCC, Evansville was kind of a mini-rivalry and they had the better of it.
Wait, really? I never would have known this. Looks like we're 4-4 all time against the fightin' Purple Aces
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Is no one going to talk about Villanova getting destroyed by Ohio State tonight?
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Is no one going to talk about Villanova getting destroyed by Ohio State tonight?
All in the Big East non-conference results thread
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"After retiring in 1976, (Jerry) Sloan took the Evansville job, but withdrew after five days.[9] That same season, the Evansville basketball team and coaching staff were killed in a plane crash at Evansville Airport."
Wiki
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23 LSU lost last night to VCU. Not a huge loss but I’ll take it. Maybe helps us jump up if we beat Madison this weekend.
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23 LSU lost last night to VCU. Not a huge loss but I’ll take it. Maybe helps us jump up if we beat Madison this weekend.
18 St Mary's also lost, and if anyone is paying attention to near-losses, 22 Auburn went to the wire with South Alabama. Beat Bucky and I think we jump in for sure.
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MU beats purdum?
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Rough night for the Pac 12:
Hofstra over UCLA
Coastal Carolina over Utah
Omaha over Washington State
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I was surprised Georgetown beat Texas. Fairly convincingly. The Hoyas hadn’t been very impressive in their first few games.
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I was surprised Georgetown beat Texas. Fairly convincingly. The Hoyas hadn’t been very impressive in their first few games.
shaka takes one on the chin in his house...but the wifey loves the shops close by eyn'a?
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VT up 2 against MSU in Maui. Under 8 media TO second half.
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VT beats MSU!
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Virginia Tech 71, Michigan State 66, Final. There goes the MSU v Kansas final in Maui.
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VT up 2 against MSU in Maui. Under 8 media TO second half.
Did Michigan State miss Joey today????
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VT beats MSU!
Good for that program and coach. I’m sure Buzz is seething at their success after leaving the cupboard bare. Maybe have a few tweets to add to his wall after that one.
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Did Michigan State miss Joey today????
I'd say they missed Cassius. 2-8 from the field, 1-5 from 3, 7 points, 2 assists, 3 turnovers
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Any day Tom Izzo loses is a good day
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Good for that program and coach. I’m sure Buzz is seething at their success after leaving the cupboard bare. Maybe have a few tweets to add to his wall after that one.
Evidently V Tech inherited more from Buzz than the 7 RSCI top 100 4*s he left Wojo.
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I'd say they missed Cassius. 2-8 from the field, 1-5 from 3, 7 points, 2 assists, 3 turnovers
By scoop standards, that makes him a cancer.
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Evidently V Tech inherited more from Buzz than the 7 RSCI top 100 4*s he left Wojo.
What a crock
Steve Taylor - mid major
Cohen - mid major
Juan Anderson
Etc
Buzz out there doing the rankings back then? Either that or what a really poor year for talent.
Of course Juan has developed some away from the Buzzard.
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Pitt up on Kansas State on FS1.
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What a crock
Steve Taylor - mid major
Cohen - mid major
Juan Anderson
Etc
Buzz out there doing the rankings back then? Either that or what a really poor year for talent.
Of course Juan has developed some away from the Buzzard.
Just facts, Chico. But since you're all over the board fighting facts on multiple topics I'm not surprised you're fighting them yet again. Take a break.
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What a crock
Steve Taylor - mid major
Cohen - mid major
Juan Anderson
Etc
Buzz out there doing the rankings back then? Either that or what a really poor year for talent.
Of course Juan has developed some away from the Buzzard.
Why do you call Taylor and Cohen mid major players? Because they transferred to mid majors?
Honest question: If Jamal Cain, Greg Elliott, Sacar Anim, or Dexter Akanno were to transfer, right now, in this very moment, do you think they’d end up at mid majors, or high majors?
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Why do you call Taylor and Cohen mid major players? Because they transferred to mid majors?
Honest question: If Jamal Cain, Greg Elliott, Sacar Anim, or Dexter Akanno were to transfer, right now, in this very moment, do you think they’d end up at mid majors, or high majors?
Difference is that Jamal Greg Sacar and Dexter were all low rated recruits. Potential diamonds but at the time nothing great. If someone's going to tout the HS rankings then they'd better be players that'll develop into legit players which Cohen and Taylor only did when they went mid major.
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Not a huge surprise, but UW goes down by 10 to Richmond. I don’t think that was a very good badger team that kicked our ass last week.
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Not a huge surprise, but UW goes down by 10 to Richmond. I don’t think that was a very good badger team that kicked our ass last week.
You're exactly right, this shouldn't shock ANYONE. That is an at best UW team(still don't think they make the tourney) and a pretty good Richmond team.
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Evidently V Tech inherited more from Buzz than the 7 RSCI top 100 4*s he left Wojo.
Then why did Buzz miss the NIT with those guys in 2014?
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Then why did Buzz miss the NIT with those guys in 2014?
Because he was sticking it to the administration!
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Because he was sticking it to the administration!
Yeah, he was 9-9 in the Big East and wasn't even trying!
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Because he was sticking it to the administration!
He did a great job that year when you take into consideration how much Larry Williams demotivated him.
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Why do you call Taylor and Cohen mid major players? Because they transferred to mid majors?
Honest question: If Jamal Cain, Greg Elliott, Sacar Anim, or Dexter Akanno were to transfer, right now, in this very moment, do you think they’d end up at mid majors, or high majors?
The guys you mention on our team were 3 star kids, the guys Lenny mentioned were 4 stars. Steve Taylor has three years at MU and never averaged more than 6 points a game, decent rebounder but the excelled at the mid major level. Cohen was pedestrian at MU (yes he had medical issues) and mid major a better fit. Juan, disappointing for his rating and what he produced over four years.
Ratings can be wrong, that year’s crop didn’t align with their rating in my opinion.
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It’s almost like college basketball teams are inconsistent in November. Who’d have guessed that?
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Not a huge surprise, but UW goes down by 10 to Richmond. I don’t think that was a very good badger team that kicked our ass last week.
Well, when a team wins their Super Bowl, there bound to have a let down the next week
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Not a huge surprise, but UW goes down by 10 to Richmond. I don’t think that was a very good badger team that kicked our ass last week.
I don't think it was a very good F%cky team that kicked our ass last week, either.
Nor did I think it was a very good UW-Green Bay team that beat Buzz the year we went to the Elite Eight. Nor did I think it was a very good Evansville team that waltzed into Lexington and beat Kentucky a couple weeks ago.
As for F%cky losing to the Spiders, I know I'm probably supposed to want our opponents to win because it will help us come March, but it is impossible for me to root for F%cky. So I love seeing them lose any game any time.
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I don't think it was a very good F%cky team that kicked our ass last week, either.
Nor did I think it was a very good UW-Green Bay team that beat Buzz the year we went to the Elite Eight. Nor did I think it was a very good Evansville team that waltzed into Lexington and beat Kentucky a couple weeks ago.
As for F%cky losing to the Spiders, I know I'm probably supposed to want our opponents to win because it will help us come March, but it is impossible for me to root for F%cky. So I love seeing them lose any game any time.
F%cky this.. F%cky that.. what a badass you are. So cool
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what a badass you are. So cool
Thanks!
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He did a great job that year when you take into consideration how much Larry Williams demotivated him.
Buzz got Larry fired. Why would he have been “demotivated?”
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You're exactly right, this shouldn't shock ANYONE. That is an at best UW team(still don't think they make the tourney) and a pretty good Richmond team.
And of course, the Varmints shot 7-27 , 3pt/fg .... 25.9% :-\
EDIT: Sorry, but it was supposed to be BLUE, not teal.. SO I changed it...lol 8-)
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Because he was sticking it to the administration!
While saying he wanted a NIT bid before the Big East tournament, after it and on the day the bids came out...
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Buzz got Larry fired. Why would he have been “demotivated?”
Larry got Larry fired.
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Both Cincy and UCLA struggling early.
UCLA lost to BYU after the Hofstra game
Cincy lost to Bowling Green and then taken to OT by Valpo.
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Having lived in Richmond for 28 years, I especially enjoyed watching them take down Wisconsin.
I was really hoping that Davison would get a 2nd call for flopping but at least a ref finally nailed him with a warning. Got to hand it to the jerk- he's been good at fooling the refs in the past, but with the rules this year he is not getting away with it.
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And of course, the Varmints shot 7-27 , 3pt/fg .... 25.9% :-\
I know you put that in teal, but you didn't need to. It's a fact.
Had F%cky shot that same percentage against us, they'd have made 5 fewer 3s. That's 15 freakin' points.
We were down only 7 (58-51) with 7:52 to play. The next 1:40 went Davison 3, Elliott TO, Trice 3, Theo TO, Pritzl 3. Game over.
Of course, we also shot nearly 50% from 3 that game and still lost.
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Wide open 3s are made at a much higher percentage than contested ones.
Not all 3s are created equal.
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Wide open 3s are made at a much higher percentage than contested ones.
Not all 3s are created equal.
I watched last night's game for 10 minutes, and F%cky took several open 3s during that stretch. Missed all but one of 'em. Also took a couple contested 3s and missed them, too.
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UGA vs MSU in Maui right now....Georgia rallying from 28 down...4 pt game with 3 to play.
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2-26 from three, the Badgers shot in a 59-50 loss to New Mexico. Where was that when I traveled to Madison two Sunday's ago.
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Badgers drop one to New Mexico. It’ll be interesting to see what happens with Gard if his team has a bad year and misses the tournament. I feel like Barry Alvarez never really liked making that hire. Bo Ryan forced him into it by retiring mid-season, and Gard’s early tournament success made it difficult to justify not keeping him.
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I don't think the Badgers will be any good this year, despite the way they thrashed MU. Next year they should be pretty good with all the seniors and RS seniors. After that it is all Gard's recruits and I think they'll be on the decline.
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In no way do I think we deserved to win that game vs. Madison, but their outrageous 3pt% that game vs. their average this season is really upsetting to see.
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2-26 from three, ( 7.7%) the Badgers shot in a 59-50 loss to New Mexico. Where was that when I traveled to Madison two Sunday's ago.
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When they get Micah Potter back, the next LeBron according to some in Madison, look out
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2-26 from three, the Badgers shot in a 59-50 loss to New Mexico. Where was that when I traveled to Madison two Sunday's ago.
Three point shooting on the season. Home-39/100 39%. Neutral-12/46 26%. First true road game next.
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We got the one game when F%cky was hot from 3, especially at the key juncture of the game.
It happens. There have been a few games we have won the last 2-3 years because of our 3-point shooting. The difference, of course, is that we actually were a good 3-point shooting team.
Whiskey has a talent deficit. Being "scrappy" is wonderful when those scrappy players are also quite talented, when you have a guy like Happ in the middle, etc. When scrappy is all you've got, you end up being scrappy without the "s."
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In no way do I think we deserved to win that game vs. Madison, but their outrageous 3pt% that game vs. their average this season is really upsetting to see.
Might have been the defense they were facing
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Might have been the defense they were facing
Way too many open looks for Wisconsin v MU. In Brooklyn many of their shots were contested. Wisconsin turned the ball over 29 times in two games. Wisconsin was able to slow down the pace of the games but they couldn't protect the ball and they did not get many open looks on offense.
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Way too many open looks for Wisconsin v MU. In Brooklyn many of their shots were contested. Wisconsin turned the ball over 29 times in two games. Wisconsin was able to slow down the pace of the games but they couldn't protect the ball and they did not get many open looks on offense.
Let me state the obvious. Wisconsin is not good.
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They are 4-0 at home, 0-3 away from the Kohl hole. Different team at home, 9th best (I believe) in ncaa last 20+ years.
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Let me state the obvious. Wisconsin is not good.
They will get plenty of scalps, especially at home. How is Evansville? Jayce Johnson?
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I watched the game...'UW got plenty of open looks...they missed shots they made against us.
At the college level most 3 point looks are not contested. 3 point shooting percentages have a high degree of variance.......Pomeroy has done the research on it.
For those with access to the Athetic.. KenPom: Shooting and defending the 3 is random business (i.e., relax! It's early)
https://theathletic.com/720048/2018/12/18/kenpom-shooting-and-defending-the-3-is-random-business-i-e-relax-its-early/
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One of the worst looking teams I’ve seen out of Madison in some time.
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They will get plenty of scalps, especially at home. How is Evansville? Jayce Johnson?
Jayce Johnson is bad at basketball.
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3 point line change already taking its toll early this year. Percentages down as predicted.
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Jayce Johnson is bad at basketball.
Ok. Thanks. My guess is he is average and will help us with fouls, rebounds, minutes. But ok, you say bad.
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Barnburner at Cameron right now. Under a minute, Duke ahead of Stephen F Austin by one.
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Barnburner at Cameron right now. Under a minute, Duke ahead of Stephen F Austin by one.
Dukescoop gnashing of teeth right now, surely
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Going to overtime.
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Duke clearly overrated
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When was the last time two #1 teams lost AT HOME to a mid-major school?
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That was an incredible ending
Down goes Duke
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I base my opinion on watching a grand total of 5:45 of Duke this year but they apparently have no one who can make a jump shot.
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Stephen effin Austin baby!
Great finish.
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6 total point in OT? Offensive powerhouse
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Wow. College basketball is always unpredictable, but this is something else. It might be recency bias, but I can't remember this many major upsets this early in any recent seasons.
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3 point line change already taking its toll early this year. Percentages down as predicted.
Thanks madden ::)
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Duke was a 28 point favorite.
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Stephen effin Austin baby!
Great finish.
Well, what did you expect? I mean, just a few days ago, SF Austin was almost good enough to win at Rutgers.
So of course they go into Cameron and beat the Dookies!
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Man, that player with the game winner parents are from the Bahamas. They lost everything. Emotional post game interview with the great Dan Bonner.
Wasn't SFA that school that lost that heartbreaker to ND in 2nd round couple of years ago?
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Thanks madden ::)
In my opinion our own fans have forgotten the line moved back. Shooting percentages are going to be more inconsistent. I say this because some here are comparing this year to previous year’s percentages as if it is an apples to apples comparison...happy to provide the public service message.
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https://twitter.com/statsbystats/status/1199547534861058049?s=21
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SF Austin was KenPom #263
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It’s weird that if you think of the first few lines of One Shining Moment, it perfectly describes the last ten seconds of that game.
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THIS IS WOJOS FAULT
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Thanks madden ::)
Where did his post assert Brett Favre is the greatest quarterback of all time?
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THIS IS WOJOS FAULT
22 turnovers by Duke tonight...definitely Wojo’s fault
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Since Evansville’s win at Kentucky they are 2-3...one of the wins against a D2 team, the other in OT vs Morgan State.
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More ammo for the projos as they now have another game to reference if MU underachieves this season.
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More ammo for the projos as they now have another game to reference if MU underachieves this season.
The projos? 😂
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Duke started, what, four freshman and a sophomore tonight? I’m sure their fans are upset, but the one and done model the program has embraced allows for early season clunkers like tonight.
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More ammo for the projos as they now have another game to reference if MU underachieves this season.
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More ammo for the projos as they now have another game to reference if MU underachieves this season.
Is the opposite of a Projo a Nojo or a Woejo?
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Is the opposite of a Projo a Nojo or a Woejo?
Go-jo
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Upsets happen. Disappointing losses happen. Every coach and program in the history of basketball has had them. What makes anyone think Marquette should be immune? What makes anyone think Wojo is impervious? Of course there are going to be sloppy losses. It is the nature of the game. As are irrational fans after these losses.
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Go-jo
BloJo
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BloJo
Bro-Jo?
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When was the last time two #1 teams lost AT HOME to a mid-major school?
Honest question. What defines a mid major? Is it any D1 school that is not in the Power 5 + BE +AAC? Or is it more refined?
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Honest question. What defines a mid major? Is it any D1 school that is not in the Power 5 + BE +AAC? Or is it more refined?
Oh boy. We have this discussion every off-season so I'll try to summarize. Anyone not P6 (Beast, ACC, B10, B12, Pac12, SEC) is technically a mid or low major, because they play in a mid or low major Conference. Just because you are a mid or low major does not mean that you can't have a quality program. Duke technically lost to a mid major last year when they lost to Gonzaga in Maui. SFA is obviously a much worse quality program than that. Some people may tweak this methodology to include AAC and select outliers (such as Gonzaga) , but that should be a fairly basic baseline statement. We can have the full discussion again in April.
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Upsets happen. Disappointing losses happen. Every coach and program in the history of basketball has had them. What makes anyone think Marquette should be immune? What makes anyone think Wojo is impervious? Of course there are going to be sloppy losses. It is the nature of the game. As are irrational fans after these losses.
Losses suck even though we know they're going to happen. There's nothing irrational about being upset after a loss or finding things in the coach's gameplan that seem to have contributed to the loss. Monday morning quarterbacks are nothing new. It's a pretty regular part of sports.
It might actually be more irrational that you think fans won't care about losses than fans getting upset about losses. Ever thought about that?
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Complaining about upsets after they happen is perfectly valid. The Murray State game has been beat to death all summer. Complaining about upsets before they happen is just complaining for the sake of it. We will probably get upset this year, we will definitely complain when it happens. We will probably upset someone this year. Just a hunch, but the praise after that happens will be less than the complaints after the unexpected loss.
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Losses suck even though we know they're going to happen. There's nothing irrational about being upset after a loss or finding things in the coach's gameplan that seem to have contributed to the loss. Monday morning quarterbacks are nothing new. It's a pretty regular part of sports.
It might actually be more irrational that you think fans won't care about losses than fans getting upset about losses. Ever thought about that?
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I don't think anyone is upset about complaining after losses or criticizing a coach's gameplan. I think it's the declarations that the season is overt because of an early loss
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I don't think anyone is upset about complaining after losses or criticizing a coach's gameplan. I think it's the declarations that the season is overt because of an early loss
Or the people that declare the end is nigh and when we win, they are never here....like cockroaches they on,y show up in the darkness.
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Dayton looks damn good in Maui.
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Certainly one of the biggest upsets of the season was last night's win by Stephen Austin over Duke (in overtime) at Duke.
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UMBC has the best twitter account in college basketball.
https://twitter.com/UMBCAthletics/status/1199548899800817665
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Honest question. What defines a mid major? Is it any D1 school that is not in the Power 5 + BE +AAC? Or is it more refined?
It seems like a condescending term thrown around by alot of people. To be fair, I have watched a lot of college games this year and have yet to hear anyone say "power 6". I have heard 'power 5" a decent amount of times. However the big east has really never been considered "mid major" for what I've seen. If you Google what constitutes high and mid major for the most part you will see people say power 5 teams plus big east plus AAC so guess its somewhat arbitrary. I have no idea what itsDJO means by "technically" as if there is some form of criteria that must be met in order to be "high major".
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It seems like a condescending term thrown around by alot of people. To be fair, I have watched a lot of college games this year and have yet to hear anyone say "power 6". I have heard 'power 5" a decent amount of times. However the big east has really never been considered "mid major" for what I've seen. If you Google what constitutes high and mid major for the most part you will see people say power 5 teams plus big east plus AAC so guess its somewhat arbitrary. I have no idea what itsDJO means by "technically" as if there is some form of criteria that must be met in order to be "high major".
If you play in a mid major conference, you are by definition a mid major. For a while, when declaring conferences high major, it had a very strong correlation with football results and whether or not the champion of a football league was invited to what has now been tabbed the New Years Six bowl games. It wasn't an exact science, and there were some very misleading results (2010 a 8-4 UCONN team got blown out in the Fiesta Bowl by Oklahoma). Obviously with the realignment and the new football playoff format this is no longer the case, but that's the general baseline for the origin and an explanation to the bolded.
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Dayton looks damn good in Maui.
Then they should stay there and have no more home games.
(Only Midwestern Collegiate Conference era fans will get that one)
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Honest question. What defines a mid major? Is it any D1 school that is not in the Power 5 + BE +AAC? Or is it more refined?
UConn was a high major....then became a mid major (which they are now), but the day that they play their first game back in the Big East......at that time they will once again become a high major.
Interesting criteria that some have placed on this term.
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UMBC has the best twitter account in college basketball.
https://twitter.com/UMBCAthletics/status/1199548899800817665
CBSSN did a feature on the guy who runs it.
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Dayton looks damn good in Maui.
Anthony Grant getting it done in Year 3. Suspect he will get many overtures from high majors after this season, and would hope MU would reach out should we fail to make NCAA this year.
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Anthony Grant getting it done in Year 3. Suspect he will get many overtures from high majors after this season, and would hope MU would reach out should we fail to make NCAA this year.
We aren't destroying this recruiting class by moving on from Wojo after this season...NCAA or not........sorry to disappoint.
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Anthony Grant getting it done in Year 3. Suspect he will get many overtures from high majors after this season, and would hope MU would reach out should we fail to make NCAA this year.
You want to dump Wojo for his lack of March success and replace him with a guy who has 1 NCAA win in 11 seasons, that coming in 2007?
OK.
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You want to dump Wojo for his lack of March success and replace him with a guy who has 1 NCAA win in 11 seasons, that coming in 2007?
OK.
Think he would be an intriguing candidate. While he's only made NCAA 3 times in his 12-year coaching career, VCU, Alabama, and Dayton aren't exactly tradition-rich programs and certainly don't have the resources, recruiting appeal, and tradition of MU. He closes out Year 3 at Dayton strong and makes a dent in NCAA via a win or two? I think you consider him - only if we miss NCAA this year in Year 6 of Wojo regime. Keep Stan, and we'd likely keep the recruiting class.
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Grant wouldn't make my top-5, personally. His star has fallen significantly since he was at VCU. We've seen at Alabama what he does at a high-major. Not at all convinced he'd be an upgrade. I'd rather take a chance on someone who shows the promise Grant once showed when he was at VCU because there's still the potential to be an upper echelon coach rather than perennially mediocre.
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UConn was a high major....then became a mid major (which they are now), but the day that they play their first game back in the Big East......at that time they will once again become a high major.
Interesting criteria that some have placed on this term.
Yeah, cannot say I agree with the definitions here in this thread which I think is where you are going. There are mid-major conferences, but that doesn't mean every program in that mid-major conference is a mid-major. Gonzaga is a high major playing in a mid-major conference IMO. I believe most pundits have also moved on from calling Gonzaga a mid-major. There are other examples like this. Wichita State comes to mind.
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Anthony Grant getting it done in Year 3. Suspect he will get many overtures from high majors after this season, and would hope MU would reach out should we fail to make NCAA this year.
Grant last time he was at a high major. One bid in 6 years....isn't this what some of you are complaining about now and the current guy has a better mark than he did.
2009–10 Alabama 17–15 6–10 T–4th (West)
2010–11 Alabama 25–12 12–4 1st (West) NIT Runner–up
2011–12 Alabama 21–12 9–7 5th NCAA Division I Round of 64
2012–13 Alabama 23–13 12–6 T–2nd NIT Quarterfinal
2013–14 Alabama 13–19 7–11 T–10th
2014–15 Alabama 18–14 8–10 T–8th NIT Second Round*
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Grant came home to Dayton. It will take more than Marquette to pry him away.
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Dayton looked really solid last night. Obi Toppin could end up in the top half of the first rd of the NBA draft, but they are solid all the way around and really get after it on D. Curious to see how they fare against Kansas today. Will be tough to play/shoot as well as they did yesterday v. Va Tech, but they look like a legit top 20 team. Agreed on Grant not being easy to pry away from UD. Truly hope that's not an issue for MU after this year and that this team finds its rhythm as new roles are sorted out.
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Grant came home to Dayton. It will take more than Marquette to pry him away.
We have a coach. Don't need to pry anybody away from anywhere.
And I have to admit I agree with hoopaloop on this one:
Grant last time he was at a high major. One bid in 6 years....isn't this what some of you are complaining about now and the current guy has a better mark than he did.
2009–10 Alabama 17–15 6–10 T–4th (West)
2010–11 Alabama 25–12 12–4 1st (West) NIT Runner–up
2011–12 Alabama 21–12 9–7 5th NCAA Division I Round of 64
2012–13 Alabama 23–13 12–6 T–2nd NIT Quarterfinal
2013–14 Alabama 13–19 7–11 T–10th
2014–15 Alabama 18–14 8–10 T–8th NIT Second Round*
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Yeah, cannot say I agree with the definitions here in this thread which I think is where you are going. There are mid-major conferences, but that doesn't mean every program in that mid-major conference is a mid-major. Gonzaga is a high major playing in a mid-major conference IMO. I believe most pundits have also moved on from calling Gonzaga a mid-major. There are other examples like this. Wichita State comes to mind.
Right—I think there is a problem with some scooper’s definition that UConn will be a mid major at 11:59 one day and the next day at 12:01 are to be considered a high major.
However, I don’t know any definition or any pundit that considers WSU anything other than a mid major.
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We have a coach. Don't need to pry anybody away from anywhere.
And I have to admit I agree with hoopaloop on this one:
We agree on so much more...it will come out...don't you worry yourself about it. Enjoy the family.
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Right—I think there is a problem with some scooper’s definition that UConn will be a mid major at 11:59 one day and the next day at 12:01 are to be considered a high major.
However, I don’t know any definition or any pundit that considers WSU anything other than a mid major.
ESPN had an article a few years ago how Wichita State is no longer a mid major. 538 called them the Gonzaga of the midwest. CBS did something on them when the joined the AAC, calling it the P7 instead of the P6. https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/adding-wichita-state-means-the-aac-must-be-counted-as-a-major-7-conference/ I get it, they are more of a stretch, but that's a few I can think of. The big reason is they have a large financial backing.
Definitely agree with you on UCONN. Same could be said for Butler, Creighton, Xavier....all were considered "mid Majors" not long ago, but suddenly their conference changed when they were already good programs that were better than a number of the high majors in the traditional P5 schools.
The Athletic did an article last month on "Who are you calling a mid major" that is pretty decent.
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There is no technical definition of high major vs mid-major vs low-major. It is whatever you think it is.
By the way, outside of the Power 5 and Big East, Gonzaga, UConn, Cincinnati and Memphis are high majors. I could go either way on Wichita State, Temple, BYU and St. Mary's.
Any definition of high major that includes DePaul and Northwestern but does not include Gonzaga and Cincinnati is a dumb definition.
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There is no technical definition of high major vs mid-major vs low-major. It is whatever you think it is.
By the way, outside of the Power 5 and Big East, Gonzaga, UConn, Cincinnati and Memphis are high majors. I could go either way on Wichita State, Temple, BYU and St. Mary's.
Any definition of high major that includes DePaul and Northwestern but does not include Gonzaga and Cincinnati is a dumb definition.
Well said
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While I don’t think there would or should be much mutual interest between Grant and Marquette, I think anyone who coaches at Alabama should have a big asterisk by his record. It’s a terrible place to coach and one of the reasons I hope Nate Oates looked carefully.
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While I don’t think there would or should be much mutual interest between Grant and Marquette, I think anyone who coaches at Alabama should have a big asterisk by his record. It’s a terrible place to coach and one of the reasons I hope Nate Oates looked carefully.
I'm curious why you say that?
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Mid-majors, low-majors are like porn. You know it when you see it
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Penn State blew a 20 point 2nd half lead and lost to Ole Miss
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Grant wouldn't make my top-5, personally. His star has fallen significantly since he was at VCU. We've seen at Alabama what he does at a high-major. Not at all convinced he'd be an upgrade. I'd rather take a chance on someone who shows the promise Grant once showed when he was at VCU because there's still the potential to be an upper echelon coach rather than perennially mediocre.
Huge failure in his one power 5 chance
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Mid-majors, low-majors are like porn. You know it when you see it
Maybe the only time i will ever root for kansas, hate hate hate Dayton!
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Think he would be an intriguing candidate. While he's only made NCAA 3 times in his 12-year coaching career, VCU, Alabama, and Dayton aren't exactly tradition-rich programs and certainly don't have the resources, recruiting appeal, and tradition of MU. He closes out Year 3 at Dayton strong and makes a dent in NCAA via a win or two? I think you consider him - only if we miss NCAA this year in Year 6 of Wojo regime. Keep Stan, and we'd likely keep the recruiting class.
Every main contributor to Dayton committed before Grant was the head coach.
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Every main contributor to Dayton committed before Grant was the head coach.
Yep, all Archie’s guys.
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Go and look at the rankings of Dayton’s players. Chalk full of zero, two, and three star recruits. Begs the question. How are they playing so well? I’ll wait for answers.
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Go and look at the rankings of Dayton’s players. Chalk full of zero, two, and three star recruits. Begs the question. How are they playing so well? I’ll wait for answers.
Playing so well through 6 games of the season. Those 2 and 3 star recruits that are playing so well haven’t made the Tournament the last 2 years.
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Go and look at the rankings of Dayton’s players. Chalk full of zero, two, and three star recruits. Begs the question. How are they playing so well? I’ll wait for answers.
Dayton is a magical place, the UD Arena brings out the best in young men. You wouldn’t understand.
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Every main contributor to Dayton committed before Grant was the head coach.
Not totally true. Brought in two transfers - Rodney Chatman and Ibi Watson. Also their top guy Obi Toppin was Grant's recruit.
Maybe we can do better than Grant should we re-enter the market for a head coach. That aside it will be yet another indictment of Wojo if Dayton finishes ahead of us in KenPom/NCAA tournament in year 3 of his tenure. Bad enough that Travis Steele at Xavier and LaVell Jordan at Butler are seemingly outperforming Wojo in years two and three of their tenures, respectively.
Dayton went to OT against Kansas tonight. I shudder to think how we'd stack up against Kansas at present.
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Bad enough that Travis Steele at Xavier and LaVell Jordan at Butler are seemingly outperforming Wojo in years two and three of their tenures, respectively.
On what basis? Playing more games against cupcakes? Beating a Mizzou team that hasn't beat anyone?
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Not totally true. Brought in two transfers - Rodney Chatman and Ibi Watson. Also their top guy Obi Toppin was Grant's recruit.
Maybe we can do better than Grant should we re-enter the market for a head coach. That aside it will be yet another indictment of Wojo if Dayton finishes ahead of us in KenPom/NCAA tournament in year 3 of his tenure. Bad enough that Travis Steele at Xavier and LaVell Jordan at Butler are seemingly outperforming Wojo in years two and three of their tenures, respectively.
Dayton went to OT against Kansas tonight. I shudder to think how we'd stack up against Kansas at present.
Yeah this is a dumb take.
The only thing this says is that in any given year some teams are good and others aren't as good. Dayton looks like they are good this year.....is it an indictment of Bohiem and Syracuse if they are better then them in year 3 of his tenure? I mean Jimmy is a Hall of famer he should be better then Dayton right? Was it an indictment of Huggins when WV was last place in the Big 12 last season and worse then MU n year 5 of Wojo's tenure.....I mean Huggins is a hall of Famer. Mike Brey was 14-19 last season.....
Grant may have figured it out or this may be a one year wonder.....this is Grants 12th season as a head coach.....at VCU, Alabama and now Dayton.......how many top 50 Ken Pom teams has he had before this season which is still,yet to be determined?
Answer 1..... in 2012.
Wojo has 2 in 5 seasons.
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Not totally true. Brought in two transfers - Rodney Chatman and Ibi Watson. Also their top guy Obi Toppin was Grant's recruit.
Maybe we can do better than Grant should we re-enter the market for a head coach. That aside it will be yet another indictment of Wojo if Dayton finishes ahead of us in KenPom/NCAA tournament in year 3 of his tenure. Bad enough that Travis Steele at Xavier and LaVell Jordan at Butler are seemingly outperforming Wojo in years two and three of their tenures, respectively.
Dayton went to OT against Kansas tonight. I shudder to think how we'd stack up against Kansas at present.
Hmmm....I’ve heard this take before from a previous poster...
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Go and look at the rankings of Dayton’s players. Chalk full of zero, two, and three star recruits. Begs the question. How are they playing so well? I’ll wait for answers.
Go and look at the rankings of Duke’s players vs Steven F Austin...begs the question...
I’ll wait for answers.
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https://twitter.com/jeffborzello/status/1199900433717891077?s=21
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Hmmm....I’ve heard this take before from a previous poster...
Ah yes, was surprised some people hadn't been back - until I fixed registration.
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Ah yes, was surprised some people hadn't been back - until I fixed registration.
Confirmation that elonerslapper is a thing?
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Every main contributor to Dayton committed before Grant was the head coach.
Obi was a Grant recruit, or at least signed with Grant. Same with Crutcher, another pretty good player.
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Ah yes, was surprised some people hadn't been back - until I fixed registration.
Can you un-fix it?
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Dayton is a magical place, the UD Arena brings out the best in young men.
I agree with this analysis.
I mean, where would any young man rather play, UD Arena or Cameron Indoor? UD Arena or Madison Square Garden?
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I agree with this analysis.
I mean, where would any young man rather play, UD Arena or Cameron Indoor? UD Arena or Madison Square Garden?
It depends on the man. 5-star burger boys need not to apply, they can keep the MSG and Cameron Indoor. They cannot thrive in Dayton, this is a city of blue-collar, greasy hands and 1992 Chevrolet Cavalier.
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Not totally true. Brought in two transfers - Rodney Chatman and Ibi Watson. Also their top guy Obi Toppin was Grant's recruit.
Maybe we can do better than Grant should we re-enter the market for a head coach. That aside it will be yet another indictment of Wojo if Dayton finishes ahead of us in KenPom/NCAA tournament in year 3 of his tenure. Bad enough that Travis Steele at Xavier and LaVell Jordan at Butler are seemingly outperforming Wojo in years two and three of their tenures, respectively.
Dayton went to OT against Kansas tonight. I shudder to think how we'd stack up against Kansas at present.
In Wojo's year 3, Marquette finished the year #32 in KenPom.
Right now Dayton is #25.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Anyone who saw how Dayton defended the last second in regulation vs Kansas would not want Grant as our Head Coach. Basically had 5 guys standing doing nothing when everyone could see what the play was. KU got a decent look that almost went in.
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Playing so well through 6 games of the season. Those 2 and 3 star recruits that are playing so well haven’t made the Tournament the last 2 years.
And Markus won’t even get a chance in his final year to win a tourney game.
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And Markus won’t even get a chance in his final year to win a tourney game.
So it has been said. Cancel the season everyone. No need to see it play out. We played a couple bad games in November.
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And Markus won’t even get a chance in his final year to win a tourney game.
Kind of like Grant had a future NBA player(Jamychal Green) for 3 years at Alabama and only made 1 NCAA Tourament and didn't win a game? Also had Trevor Releford on that team.
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It' early. Iowa leads #12 Texas Tech by 7 on FS1.
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It' early. Iowa leads #12 Texas Tech by 7 on FS1.
Look for Hawkeye Elvis and his clan on the sidelines.
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Iowa up on #12 Texas Tech. 60-54 on FS1 in Las Vegas. Iowa making that DePaul win look bigger.
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Purdue helped us
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Not really an upset but Purdue beat 20th ranked VCU.... ..it wasn't pretty.. ..
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@JonRothstein Georgetown loses a buy game to UNC Greensboro. The epitome of brutality.
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Not really an upset but Purdue beat 20th ranked VCU.... ..it wasn't pretty.. ..
Wait ... Purdue, the second-worst team ever (after Wojo's Warriors), won a game? Impossible!
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Wait ... Purdue, the second-worst team ever (after Wojo's Warriors), won a game? Impossible!
Purdue missed a runner off the glass and rim down 1 in OT and lost by 1 to Florida St. It would have been a nice win.
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Illinois used all of it's timeouts with 5 minutes left in the 1st half. Down by 27 to Miami. 6 minutes left in the game and Illnois is within 5.
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Illinois used all of it's timeouts with 5 minutes left in the 1st half. Down by 27 to Miami. 6 minutes left in the game and Illnois is within 5.
I see they lost by two. Wasn't able to watch any of the game. Could they have won if they had any time-outs at the end?
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I see they lost by two. Wasn't able to watch any of the game. Could they have won if they had any time-outs at the end?
Yes. Illinois had the ball down by 1, to win the game. Charging call did them in with 2.5 left.
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Duke beating MSU 45-29 at the half in East Lansing. Joey spotted on the bench...... I think I could read his lips saying " I'm sitting out a year to watch this ?"
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Duke beating MSU 45-29 at the half in East Lansing. Joey spotted on the bench......[
Barring a huge second half this will drop Izzo to 2-12 against K, both wins in the NCAA tournament (2005/Sweet 16, 2019 Elite 8).
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Barring a huge second half this will drop Izzo to 2-12 against K, both wins in the NCAA tournament (2005/Sweet 16, 2019 Elite 8).
Maryland to win the Big Ten
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I knew MSU was overrated coming into the year, but they look bad.
They may simply just be more of a top 25 team rather than a top 5
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Duke beating MSU 45-29 at the half in East Lansing. Joey spotted on the bench...... I think I could read his lips saying " I'm sitting out a year to watch this ?"
Are you sure he wasn’t writing that out and handing it down the bench for all to sign before presenting it to the people in charge of the NCAA’s eligibility?
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26-9 Purdue over Virginia ...4 minutes left in the first half
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Halftime Purdue 32 - Virginia 17
It will be interesting to see how Sam fits in next year.
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UVA down 18 with 14 min left
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UVA down 18 with 14 min left
Down 18 with 12 left. The style they play limits possessions which makes comebacks of this nature unlikely. Of course, we’ve seen Purdue disappear for long stretches offensively, too
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Purdue wins by 29. Definitely makes our win look better.
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Could you fuggin imagine if we beat Purdue. Woulda been real solid. Too bad we couldn’t come back and beat them.
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Badgers pounded by NC State. Hopefully that loss doesn’t end up hurting us too much on Selection Sunday.
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Badgers pounded by NC State. Hopefully that loss doesn’t end up hurting us too much on Selection Sunday.
I'm happy to trade a F%cky loss for that Purdue win.
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Badgers pounded by NC State. Hopefully that loss doesn’t end up hurting us too much on Selection Sunday.
It won't
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Ohio State smoking North Carolina
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I guess even Tony Bennett can get blown out..........by a team that we beat by 10.
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I'm happy to trade a F%cky loss for that Purdue win.
I'm not Mike.
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Badgers pounded by NC State. Hopefully that loss doesn’t end up hurting us too much on Selection Sunday.
It shouldn't. But it would be nice if they start winning some games. They only have 3 more non conference games and one is @ Tennesee so they are likely staring at a 6-5 non-conference. Gonna have a ton of work to do in conference to compete for a tournament bid.
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It shouldn't. But it would be nice if they start winning some games. They only have 3 more non conference games and one is @ Tennesee so they are likely staring at a 6-5 non-conference. Gonna have a ton of work to do in conference to compete for a tournament bid.
Sorry, should have used teal. Hope they keep losing. Big Ten looks like the best conference so it will be an uphill battle.
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Our current season is starting remind me of last season.
First game is a convincing defensive win over a solid cupcake (UMBC/Loyola Md)
First loss is a blowout to a B1G team that is thought to be good preaseason but quickly fades (Indiana/Wisconsin)
Early season scare against a cupcake (Presbyterian/Robert Morris)
Solid win over a very good mid-major (Buffalo/Davidson)
Very convincing win over a solid but not great high-major (Kansas State/USC)
Blowout loss to a top 5 team in the holiday tournament (Kansas/Maryland)
Avoid the trainwreck in the last few weeks and I'd take that result!
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Pretty decent summary of the offensive woes and unpredictability of college hoops this season.
https://www.charlotteobserver.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/luke-decock/article238038209.html?
Much of it is about UNC struggling when its far-and-away best player doesn't have a big game (sound familiar, Warrior fans?), but it's generally a reasonable overall look at the state of the game IMHO.
Welcome to the Year of the Rock Fight in college basketball, where not only has no dominant team -- or handful of dominant teams -- emerged, but no team seems to have any idea what it’s going to do on any given night. By April, the Final Four may look like a bad poker hand: A 2, a pair of 4s and a 10.
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look like a bad poker hand: A 2, a pair of 4s and a 10.
That's a terrible poker hand. 4 card poker is the worst, and eliminates the possibility of most good poker hands.
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Pretty decent summary of the offensive woes and unpredictability of college hoops this season.
https://www.charlotteobserver.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/luke-decock/article238038209.html?
Much of it is about UNC struggling when its far-and-away best player doesn't have a big game (sound familiar, Warrior fans?), but it's generally a reasonable overall look at the state of the game IMHO.
Welcome to the Year of the Rock Fight in college basketball, where not only has no dominant team -- or handful of dominant teams -- emerged, but no team seems to have any idea what it’s going to do on any given night. By April, the Final Four may look like a bad poker hand: A 2, a pair of 4s and a 10.
So you're saying there's a chance...
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Our current season is starting remind me of last season.
First game is a convincing defensive win over a solid cupcake (UMBC/Loyola Md)
First loss is a blowout to a B1G team that is thought to be good preaseason but quickly fades (Indiana/Wisconsin)
Early season scare against a cupcake (Presbyterian/Robert Morris)
Solid win over a very good mid-major (Buffalo/Davidson)
Very convincing win over a solid but not great high-major (Kansas State/USC)
Blowout loss to a top 5 team in the holiday tournament (Kansas/Maryland)
Avoid the trainwreck in the last few weeks and I'd take that result!
Comparing last year's Buffalo and K-State teams to Davidson and USC is rather, um, generous.
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Comparing last year's Buffalo and K-State teams to Davidson and USC is rather, um, generous.
Davidson and USC might be slightly worse than Buff and K-State, but then throw in two neutral site games rather than two home games and it makes a bit more sense. Still not a perfect comparison, but I can certainly see where TAMU is coming from.
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KState and Buffalo finished #20 and #22 in Pomeroy last year. Currently USC is #59, Davidson #85.
Kansas finished #17 (after their C was lost for the season), Maryland is currently #7. Indiana finished #52, UW sits at #60.
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KState and Buffalo finished #20 and #22 in Pomeroy last year. Currently USC is #59, Davidson #85.
Kansas finished #17 (after their C was lost for the season), Maryland is currently #7. Indiana finished #52, UW sits at #60.
I might be missing the comparison you're trying to make, but the Purdue team we beat is ranked #5 at Kenpom, better than any win we had last year.
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KState and Buffalo finished #20 and #22 in Pomeroy last year. Currently USC is #59, Davidson #85.
Kansas finished #17 (after their C was lost for the season), Maryland is currently #7. Indiana finished #52, UW sits at #60.
You can't compare finished to current. Davidson is likely top 3 in the A10 this year, barring injury they'll rise.
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I might be missing the comparison you're trying to make, but the Purdue team we beat is ranked #5 at Kenpom, better than any win we had last year.
I didn't make the comparisons, TAMU did. I was trying to add some (admittedly imperfect) context.
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You can't compare finished to current. Davidson is likely top 3 in the A10 this year, barring injury they'll rise.
Maybe they end up #60, maybe #100. Do you think they'll end up #22 (Buffalo)? As I said, last year's final/this year's current is an imperfect comparison. But since TAMU made a comparison, it's the best way I could figure to give his comparisons context.
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Maybe they end up #60, maybe #100. Do you think they'll end up #22 (Buffalo)? As I said, last year's final/this year's current is an imperfect comparison. But since TAMU made a comparison, it's the best way I could figure to give his comparisons context.
That's fair wanting to give his comparisons context but if the data isn't comparable right now I'm not sure that's the best way. No idea where they'll end up in Kenyon I think they'll be behind VCU and Dayton but still make the tournament
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Maybe they end up #60, maybe #100. Do you think they'll end up #22 (Buffalo)? As I said, last year's final/this year's current is an imperfect comparison. But since TAMU made a comparison, it's the best way I could figure to give his comparisons context.
As someone who spends hours, probably days, every year studying and comparing schedules, you will never find perfect, clear comparisons. It's always fitting round pegs into square holes using triangular wrenches. That's why the old Chiclets post was so perfect:
(X) Non-conference near-miss against inferior opponent (Robert Morris)
(X) Non-conference stinker to inferior opponent (UW-Madison)
(X) Non-conference loss on big stage convinces board MU not ready for Big East (Maryland)
( ) Unmentionable conference loss
( ) Road Game we weren't supposed to win
( ) Late surge
( ) Top-half Big East Finish
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Comparing last year's Buffalo and K-State teams to Davidson and USC is rather, um, generous.
It's not meant to be a perfect comparison or to suggest anything about the quality of last year's team vs this year's team. Just having fun connecting dots.
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It's not meant to be a perfect comparison or to suggest anything about the quality of last year's team vs this year's team. Just having fun connecting dots.
Fair enough.
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As someone who spends hours, probably days, every year studying and comparing schedules, you will never find perfect, clear comparisons. It's always fitting round pegs into square holes using triangular wrenches. That's why the old Chiclets post was so perfect:
(X) Non-conference near-miss against inferior opponent (Robert Morris)
(X) Non-conference stinker to inferior opponent (UW-Madison)
(X) Non-conference loss on big stage convinces board MU not ready for Big East (Maryland)
( ) Unmentionable conference loss
( ) Road Game we weren't supposed to win
( ) Late surge
( ) Top-half Big East Finish
Ha I predicted the Maryland beat down, will see how the rest of my predictions go:
https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=34992.msg1175517#msg1175517
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Furman up double digits on #14 Auburn. Early second half.
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Ben Howland and Miss St just lost at home to La Tech.
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Ben Howland and Miss St just lost at home to La Tech.
Wait? The Great Ben Howland? Musta been an imposter!
Furman up double digits on #14 Auburn. Early second half.
Auburn ends up winning in OT -- aided by as bad a call as you'll ever see.
Furman player throws a pass. It's obvious in real time that it's deflected out of bounds by an Auburn player. They decide to take a look at it and, even though the replay clearly shows the deflection, Auburn is awarded the basketball. The announcers couldn't believe it, and neither can I. The Furman coach, when he sees the replay on film, will be double-outraged.
Why even bother using replay if you refuse to pay attention to the replay?
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Would have been cool to see Furman come away with that one, a year after doing the same to Nova
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Would have been cool to see Furman come away with that one, a year after doing the same to Nova
Agreed. Furman appeared to be a very well-coached team.
Even if that call hadn't been botched, Furman would have had trouble winning because of time and score when it happened. But still ... remarkably bad. Had that happened at the end of one of our games, Scoop would have had more than one thread dedicated to it -- and for good reason.
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Agreed. Furman appeared to be a very well-coached team.
Even if that call hadn't been botched, Furman would have had trouble winning because of time and score when it happened. But still ... remarkably bad. Had that happened at the end of one of our games, Scoop would have had more than one thread dedicated to it -- and for good reason.
Some celebrating it.
Others questioning why Wojo didn’t have Deonte Burton in the game.
Maybe some would’ve hand written their posts.
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Ben Howland and Miss St just lost at home to La Tech.
Clearly, Ben Howland is what the MU program needs.
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duke struggling again-at VT down by 1 at 14+ min mark
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USC up 35-23 at TCU
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USC with an embarrassing performance at the line and a near collapse
But they survived on a tip in with .2 left
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USC with an embarrassing performance at the line and a near collapse
But they survived on a tip in with .2 left
By my count; 4 missed fts, two of which were front ends of 1-and-1s, a turnover, and two fouls committed, all within the last minute, and all part of a 9 point blown lead in just over 70 seconds, made even more impressive when you consider that TCU didn't hit a 3. UGLY
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By my count; 4 missed fts, two of which were front ends of 1-and-1s, a turnover, and two fouls committed, all within the last minute, and all part of a 9 point blown lead in just over 70 seconds, made even more impressive when you consider that TCU didn't hit a 3. UGLY
And after the last missed free throws they gave up an And 1 when up by 2.
Lucky for them the dude is a 28% free throw shooter and barely hit rim
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That's a good win. Glad they held on
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Badgers up 28-14 on Archie and IU.
They seem to make shots at home but can't throw it in the ocean anywhere else.
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Badgers up 28-14 on Archie and IU.
They seem to make shots at home but can't throw it in the ocean anywhere else.
Up 20 at half. And like I and others said earlier this year, they have been a different team at the Kohl the last 20 years...it is tough to win there...Period.
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Up 20 at half. And like I and others said earlier this year, they have been a different team at the Kohl the last 20 years...it is tough to win there...Period.
Also, add in the factor that it's first time away from home.
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Up 20 at half. And like I and others said earlier this year, they have been a different team at the Kohl the last 20 years...it is tough to win there...Period.
Most of the last 20 years they were a good team every where.......not so much lately.
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Also, add in the factor that it's first time away from home.
Wisconsin has been a house of horrors for IU for a long time, and IU has played a patsy home schedule. I wonder if our IU friend that came here is asking if Dawson is watching.
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Most of the last 20 years they were a good team every where.......not so much lately.
Agree, but at home they have been really good even in years they were always tough. As I said a few weeks ago, they will get plenty of scalps at Madison this year.
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Wisconsin has been a house of horrors for IU for a long time, and IU has played a patsy home schedule. I wonder if our IU friend that came here is asking if Dawson is watching.
Crean closed out with a putrid 2-15 record against UW as IU’s head coach.
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Crean closed out with a putrid 2-15 record against UW as IU’s head coach.
Yup. Archie so far is 1-2 with the one win at home in 2OT. IU fans calling for Archie’s head...again.
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Yeah where is that IU fan to tell us about that great Archie defense?
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illini up 14 at maryland for halftime. Feels like we are getting a lot of teams best efforts
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The Hausers did a bulk mailing.
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illini up 14 at maryland for halftime. Feels like we are getting a lot of teams best efforts
Except Purdue.
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illini up 14 at maryland for halftime. Feels like we are getting a lot of teams best efforts
Maryland has been settling for bad shots most of this game. Cannot hit the open ones either, at least in first half.
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UAB up on Memphis 33-15 in the first half.
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#15 Memphis making a run. Down only 6. Game on CBSSN.
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Maryland takes second lead of game with 2.1 seconds left to win.
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So Texas Tech loses 3 in a row......2 of them to Creighton and Depaul.....and now are up 8 with 3 minutes to go against #1 Louisville
Maryland losing to a good Penn State team on the road.
Going to be a wild season
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TT up by 8 over looo ooville 2 min. left
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Maryland has been settling for bad shots most of this game. Cannot hit the open ones either, at least in first half.
They didn't do the little things right tonight. Too many turnovers and other mental mistakes. Never gave themselves a chance to dig out of the hole they dug early on.
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texas tech is gonna win
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got to have good guard play
https://twitter.com/jeffborzello/status/1204581935978295296?s=21
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Finals
Texas Tech 70 - Louisville 57
Penn St 76 - Maryland 69
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Maryland demonstrating the near universal truth that the first true road game can be a mess. I am sure Maryland scoop is complaining that Turgeon can't coach.
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Finals
Texas Tech 70 - Louisville 57
Penn St 76 - Maryland 69
Down goes fray ja down goes fray ja down goes fray ja
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Finals
Texas Tech 70 - Louisville 57
Penn St 76 - Maryland 69
DePaul just stormed the court again
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Penn state was favored
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Maryland demonstrating the near universal truth that the first true road game can be a mess. I am sure Maryland scoop is complaining that Turgeon can't coach.
You should read what some Louisville fans think of Mack and he had them #1 in 2 years. ::)
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DePaul just stormed the court again
Post of the year you can shut it down now.
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Penn state was favored
Some odds had Maryland, some Penn State.
https://www.actionnetwork.com/ncaab/college-basketball-betting-odds-picks-penn-state-maryland-nevada-byu
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With Illinois' win over Michigan, the B14 is now 10-0 in conference, in favor of the home team (notable upsets include Ill over Mich, PSU, over Mary). This tells me 2 things. 1, holding serve at home in conference will be vitally important. 2, if we initially struggle on the road, we shouldn't panic.
On paper, our 3 easiest road games of the year are our last 3 (debatable with @Gtown in mid Jan). With a 10-2 non conference, an 11-7 conference should put us in the 6-8 seed range (IMO). That leaves room for 1 home conference loss (anything other than Nova or Hall would be a disappointment), and 3 road wins, StJ and PC look very doable right now, and steal one of (in order of likelihood IMO) DePaul, Gtown, CU, BU, X, SH, Nova. How we look and perform on New Years Day will be an excellent barometer for the conference season IMO.
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Cockburn had another huge game for the Illini, he’s something.
Also TKO’d a referee in the process.
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Cockburn had another huge game for the Illini, he’s something.
Also TKO’d a referee in the process.
Talk about losing the last name lottery.
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Talk about losing the last name lottery.
I'll be honest, I was looking for any opportunity to drop his name in a thread and the opportunity arose.
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I'll be honest, I was looking for any opportunity to drop his name in a thread and the opportunity arose.
I see what you did there
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Cockburn had another huge game for the Illini, he’s something.
Also TKO’d a referee in the process.
Austin Grandstaff has popped up again at TAMU-Commerce. His deep game has improved judging by recent performances.
https://lionathletics.com/sports/mens-basketball/roster/austin-grandstaff/4283
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I'll be honest, I was looking for any opportunity to drop his name in a thread and the opportunity arose.
Well done. No doubt Cockburn has been on fire of late.
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No doubt Cockburn has been on fire of late.
Yes, Hotter than a pistol.
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Austin Grandstaff has popped up again at TAMU-Commerce. His deep game has improved judging by recent performances.
https://lionathletics.com/sports/mens-basketball/roster/austin-grandstaff/4283
I guess his rapping career didn't work out
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bl8XUgtAaI
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Talk about losing the last name lottery.
yeah, but when you're 6-10 290 no one is going to give you any crap about your last name.
Now, my rather scrawny high school classmate with the last name Glasscock, that was a different story.
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How is his endowmment performing?
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I guess his rapping career didn't work out
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bl8XUgtAaI
Grandstaff & Hunt were a great combo. They were really pounding out the hits back in the day.
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yeah, but when you're 6-10 290 no one is going to give you any crap about your last name.
Now, my rather scrawny high school classmate with the last name Glasscock, that was a different story.
You gave him a hard time?
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Austin Grandstaff has popped up again at TAMU-Commerce. His deep game has improved judging by recent performances.
https://lionathletics.com/sports/mens-basketball/roster/austin-grandstaff/4283
what a bizarre career
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You gave him a hard time?
yep, and in the end, he was shattered.
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what a bizarre career
Is the Alex Peavy on his team related to Ben Peavy? Finally got around to looking it up. Alex Peavy, freshman on Grandstaff's team, is Ben Peavy's son.
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(10) Oregon 71 @ (5) Michigan 70
OT: ASU 79 - Georgia 59
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what a bizarre career
(https://media.giphy.com/media/3o7qE0gOGwzPbH81Qk/giphy.gif)
Sorry, but your post commenting on Grandstaff did not contain any juvenile references about his last name. This is the most severe infraction possible on scoop, so you are hereby given a red card.
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https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/watch-cincinnati-turns-baffling-halfcourt-heave-into-stunning-loss-at-home-to-colgate/amp/
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Wofford up by 9 at UNC on ACC Network.
Nebraska up on Purdue by 8 on BTN.
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Wofford up by 9 at UNC on ACC Network.
Nebraska up on Purdue by 8 on BTN.
Wow...Nebraska is going to win this. Our marquee win just lost some of its luster.
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Wofford up by 9 at UNC on ACC Network.
Nebraska up on Purdue by 8 on BTN.
UNC is really bad. Kind of a bold prediction but think they’re going to be firmly on the bubble this year.
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UNC is really bad. Kind of a bold prediction but think they’re going to be firmly on the bubble this year.
To be fair, they are playing without Cole Anthony and Leaky Black today.
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To be fair, they are playing without Cole Anthony and Leaky Black today.
They were poor before this.
At least people can stop acting like Anthony has a POY shot. Awful efficiency, not a contending team and now out.
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https://twitter.com/jeffborzello/status/1206348428822896641?s=21
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Ohio State 3rd ranked......undefeqted and 1 in pomeroy......getting hammered by 4-5 Minnesota.....73 in pomeroy......53-37. 13 minutes left in the game.
Big Ten teams are undefeated at home so far this season in conference play.
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Clearly Ohio State didn't get the memo that you are supposed to get the #1 ranking before you lose in embarrassing fashion to an unranked team.
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Ohio State 3rd ranked......undefeqted and 1 in pomeroy......getting hammered by 4-5 Minnesota.....73 in pomeroy......53-37. 13 minutes left in the game.
Big Ten teams are undefeated at home so far this season in conference play.
DePaul won at Minnesota....just a reminder for everyone.
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Ohio State 3rd ranked......undefeqted and 1 in pomeroy......getting hammered by 4-5 Minnesota.....73 in pomeroy......53-37. 13 minutes left in the game.
Big Ten teams are undefeated at home so far this season in conference play.
anyone see JB storm the court naked
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East Tennessee State is boat racing LSU on the road......up 57-37 with 10:35 left in the game.
Always good to see Will Wade lose so hope they keep it going.
Ps ETSU is 9-2......one of their losses is by 10 to our next opponent......North Dakota State.....no easy games.
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Ball State up 56-31 at Georgia Tech.
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#21 Tennessee about to lose to Cincy.
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Halftime
St. Mary's 51 - ASU 19
Jordan Ford has 22 for the Gaels at the half. The Pac 12 announcers are raving that they've never seen anything like this! #westcoastbias
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Halftime
St. Mary's 51 - ASU 19
Jordan Ford has 22 for the Gaels at the half. The Pac 12 announcers are raving that they've never seen anything like this! #westcoastbias
Conference of Champions
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Utah beats Kentucky.
Marquette could very well have legitimate title aspirations this season with how wide open it is. All it takes is a Kemba esque run from Markus.
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Halftime
St. Mary's 51 - ASU 19
Jordan Ford has 22 for the Gaels at the half. The Pac 12 announcers are raving that they've never seen anything like this! #westcoastbias
Crazy box score. Only 3 players scored for ASU. If a sub didn't come off the bench and go for 43 who knows how bad that could have gone.
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Crazy box score. Only 3 players scored for ASU. If a sub didn't come off the bench and go for 43 who knows how bad that could have gone.
Wow. There were only 3 baskets for ASU that Verge did not either score or assist on.
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Utah beats Kentucky.
Marquette could very well have legitimate title aspirations this season with how wide open it is. All it takes is a Kemba esque run from Markus.
Yeah. I don't think we're great by any stretch, but there are really no good teams this year. OSU, Gonzaga, Kansas, and Dayton are the four best I've seen this year and none are unbeatable. We've played two Kenpom top 10 teams this year. We beat one and got killed by Maryland, but Maryland can definitely be beaten.
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Utah beats Kentucky.
Marquette could very well have legitimate title aspirations this season with how wide open it is. All it takes is a Kemba esque run from Markus.
Conference of Champions
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Crazy box score. Only 3 players scored for ASU. If a sub didn't come off the bench and go for 43 who knows how bad that could have gone.
Did Bobby Hurley's head explode?
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Did Bobby Hurley's head explode?
I watched a good part of the game. Hurley mostly sat on the bench. Very subdued.
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I watched a good part of the game. Hurley mostly sat on the bench. Very subdued.
Hurley needs to learn the fine art of Duke cuddling. Wojo doesn’t even have a seat on the bench reserved for him.
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Hurley needs to learn the fine art of Duke cuddling. Wojo doesn’t even have a seat on the bench reserved for him.
Better yet, he could learn from his mentor and feign a back injury or dizzy spell whenever things go poorly.
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wonder if duke got the scouting report from UNC game on wofford
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Virginia gets blown out by South Carolina on their home floor.
Dayton and Virginia are ranked in the top 15. Marquette has a better resume than both at this point through the non conference.
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Virginia was 87% percent to win that game.....not far off of our game vs North Dakota State...which was 91 or 93%?
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Virginia gets blown out by South Carolina on their home floor.
Dayton and Virginia are ranked in the top 15. Marquette has a better resume than both at this point through the non conference.
I watched part of the Dayton game last night. Their fans are the worst.
ABD.
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I watched part of the Dayton game last night. Their fans are the worst.
ABD.
their fans are horrible, but Obi Toppin is pretty darn good. That putback.dunk was insane.
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New Mexico St just knocked off Mississippi St.
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their fans are horrible, but Obi Toppin is pretty darn good. That putback.dunk was insane.
That was. People standing for the entire second half is not good.
There was a courtside Colorado fan that I Force transferred all my energy to. He did well.
The caravan of Chevy Cavaliers created quite the catastrophic backup on 65 as they traveled in the right lane at 25 MPH the entire way back to Dayton. They even had little red flags on their radio antennas.
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Toppin is awesome. I’d love for him or Halliburton to fall to where the Pacers’ pick that the Bucks have ends up, but my guess is both are gone by then. That was a good game last night. I really like the Colorado team.
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their fans are horrible, but Obi Toppin is pretty darn good. That putback.dunk was insane.
That was sick. Heck, Lappas loved it.
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their fans are horrible, but Obi Toppin is pretty darn good. That putback.dunk was insane.
Annoying to be on the other side of, for sure, but far more into the games and rowdy than most crowds, including ours.
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Annoying to be on the other side of, for sure, but far more into the games and rowdy than most crowds, including ours.
I’d find a new team.
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New Mexico St just knocked off Mississippi St.
Rough weekend for Sam U, Howland U and Shaka U.
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Virginia was 87% percent to win that game.....not far off of our game vs North Dakota State...which was 91 or 93%?
South Carolina hit some really tough shots against solid UVA defense in the first 10 minutes of that game. You could tell that UVA is not accustomed to orchestrating comebacks, nor is their offense built for it.
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Rough weekend for Sam U, Howland U and Shaka U.
Gosh I just feel so bad for all of them!
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Ok. Some of these games require notice. Just because we are CBB fans.
We have a BEast results threat. How about one for surprise results or big upsets occurring all around CBB.
Kentucky loses to Evansville tonight!!
Auburn down 1 with 20 seconds left to South Alabama.
Evansville’s head coach may be in some hot water with Title IX probe. Been a weird year for them on and off the court.
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/28378080/evansville-walter-mccarty-administrative-leave-amid-title-ix-probe
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Evansville’s head coach may be in some hot water with Title IX probe. Been a weird year for them on and off the court.
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/28378080/evansville-walter-mccarty-administrative-leave-amid-title-ix-probe
The statement from the school referenced ongoing issues since 2018. It could be sexual harassment or assault or inappropriate relations with students.
Our old friend Bennie Seltzer takes over now.
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does anyone see Gonzaga next loss anywhere on their schedule? I mean, they look really good, but with the exception of st. Mary’s, it’s going to take a major injury or 3 for them to fall. And I do not wish any injuries upon them, just sayin.
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does anyone see Gonzaga next loss anywhere on their schedule? I mean, they look really good, but with the exception of st. Mary’s, it’s going to take a major injury or 3 for them to fall. And I do not wish any injuries upon them, just sayin.
WCC tournament or NCAA tournament
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WCC tournament or NCAA tournament
Looks like the Walton Belt will be staying for a while.
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does anyone see Gonzaga next loss anywhere on their schedule? I mean, they look really good, but with the exception of st. Mary’s, it’s going to take a major injury or 3 for them to fall. And I do not wish any injuries upon them, just sayin.
It’s always tough going into St Mary’s and BYU.
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does anyone see Gonzaga next loss anywhere on their schedule? I mean, they look really good, but with the exception of st. Mary’s, it’s going to take a major injury or 3 for them to fall. And I do not wish any injuries upon them, just sayin.
Either BYU or St Mary's game. What will be interesting is to see if Gonzaga keeps the #1 ranking in the next two weeks. If they go 5-0 with the best win being Pepperdine at home while Ohio State goes 4-0 with wins over West Virginia, Maryland, and Indiana away from home, it would be hard to justify the Zags over the Buckeyes.
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Free throws mattering for UL against kentucky
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Excellent game going on in Cleveland on FS1. #22 West Virginia leading #2 Ohio State.
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Excellent game going on in Cleveland on FS1. #22 West Virginia leading #2 Ohio State.
Rooting for Huggie Bear.
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Excellent game going on in Cleveland on FS1. #22 West Virginia leading #2 Ohio State.
Competitive game. Not exactly beautiful basketball though.
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Big Win for Huggie Bear. Always great to see Ohio State lose in any sport.
Added benefit, it gives some additional validation to The Johnnies win over the Mountaineers.
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Northwestern loses to Hartford.........pomeroy had them as a 95% chance of winning the game.
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Northwestern loses to Hartford.........pomeroy had them as a 95% chance of winning the game.
Congrats to the Fightin' Engines!
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So, no bad losses for MU is a positive.
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What will be interesting is to see if Gonzaga keeps the #1 ranking in the next two weeks. If they go 5-0 with the best win being Pepperdine at home while Ohio State goes 4-0 with wins over West Virginia, Maryland, and Indiana away from home, it would be hard to justify the Zags over the Buckeyes.
WVU made it easy for the voters.
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Northwestern loses to Hartford.........pomeroy had them as a 95% chance of winning the game.
Former Big East acquaintance Malik Ellison led Hartford over the Cats
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Northwestern loses to Hartford.........pomeroy had them as a 95% chance of winning the game.
Northwestern is always 2-3 years away from being 2-3 years away.
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Not really an upset, but Liberty fell from the ranks of the unbeaten, losing to LSU. San Diego State and Auburn are the two remaining unbeatens.
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Archie had a double digit 2nd half lead at home and loses to Arkansas.
Hate to see it....
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Northwestern is always 2-3 years away from being 2-3 years away.
Seems to be a common theme for coaches from the Coach K tree. Wojo may breakthrough this year!
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Seems to be a common theme for coaches from the Coach K tree. Wojo may breakthrough this year!
The Collins shine seems to have dulled a bit.
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The Collins shine seems to have dulled a bit.
No doubt. Northwestern's basketball history is pretty bleak with just 1 NCAA tournament appearance. Tough job.
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Archie had a double digit 2nd half lead at home and loses to Arkansas.
Hate to see it....
Wonder if Dawson was watching...
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Wonder if Dawson was watching...
Heyooo
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Archie had a double digit 2nd half lead at home and loses to Arkansas.
Hate to see it....
17-1 run over the last 8 minutes or so. Tough way to lose at home.
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17-1 run over the last 8 minutes or so. Tough way to lose at home.
It was an ugly ending for sure. Weird game of runs in the second half. IU did a lot of chucking it from 3 to finish.
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Wonder if Dawson was watching...
Wonder if fukfootball was watching?
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Haha...exactly
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WVU made it easy for the voters.
That was a big time road win for wvu and bad home loss for the Ohio state
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Do we think Arizona fans wondered whether Nico was watching MU blow an 18 point lead to Seton Hall last year or watching MU need to beat one of Creighton or Georgetown at home to win a BE title last year and fail to do so? Or is that just the MU fan base that does that?
Who cares if Dawson was watching Indiana play tonight? He signed an NLI to come to Marquette next year. We don’t have to worry about these things anymore. And as we found out, as if it wasn’t just common sense, a single game typically doesn’t sway a recruit from deciding to go to one school over another, given that Dawson saw us lose by about 20 points at Wisconsin and committed to us days later. Thanks Arch for visiting Dawson and keeping him from the TV and ruling us out due to that ugly performance!
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That was a big time road win for wvu and bad home loss for the Ohio state
Really not that bad of a home loss for O$U.
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That was a big time road win for wvu and bad home loss for the Ohio state
Neither of those things are true.
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Neither of those things are true.
One of these things are true.
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One of these things are true.
It was a neutral site game. The Cleveland Classic at the Rocket Mortgate Field House. WVU OSU game one and Duquesne Marshall game two.
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Free throws mattering for UL against kentucky
Winning team shot 52.8% eFG%. Losing team? 45.5%.
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Winning team shot 52.8% eFG%. Losing team? 45.5%.
Free throws mattered
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Free throws mattered
Sure. They just mattered a lot less than about a dozen other things that happened in the game. For example, if Louisville had hit their season average in FT% (72%), they would have scored 5-6 more points. If they had hit their season average in 3P% (36.5%), they have have scored 6-9 more points. If they had held Kentucky to their season average in 3P% (29.3%), the Wildcats would have scored 6-9 points less.
It's always better to hit your FTs than miss them. But if you are going to examine why a team won or lost a game, why would you focus on the 9th or 10th most significant factor?
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Sure. They just mattered a lot less than about a dozen other things that happened in the game. For example, if Louisville had hit their season average in FT% (72%), they would have scored 5-6 more points. If they had hit their season average in 3P% (36.5%), they have have scored 6-9 more points. If they had held Kentucky to their season average in 3P% (29.3%), the Wildcats would have scored 6-9 points less.
It's always better to hit your FTs than miss them. But if you are going to examine why a team won or lost a game, why would you focus on the 9th or 10th most significant factor?
Because the game went to OT when they were 50% at the line.
This isn't debate of right or wrong.
They mattered.
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Because the game went to OT when they were 50% at the line.
Why is that the only time that matters? If they had hit one more shot in regulation, or prevented Kentucky from getting a second chance buck by grabbing a defensive rebound, or done any one of a hundred other things the game wouldn't have gone to OT.
This isn't debate of right or wrong.
They mattered.
Again in a black and white sense of "did they matter" yes, they did. In that sense, what the ref ate for lunch that day also mattered. You can focus there if you want, but it was the 9th or 10th most significant factor in determining the outcome.
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Why is that the only time that matters? If they had hit one more shot in regulation, or prevented Kentucky from getting a second chance buck by grabbing a defensive rebound, or done any one of a hundred other things the game wouldn't have gone to OT.
Again in a black and white sense of "did they matter" yes, they did. In that sense, what the ref ate for lunch that day also mattered. You can focus there if you want, but it was the 9th or 10th most significant factor in determining the outcome.
Incorrect. They mattered.
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Incorrect. They mattered.
What was incorrect?
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Sure. They just mattered a lot less than about a dozen other things that happened in the game. For example, if Louisville had hit their season average in FT% (72%), they would have scored 5-6 more points. If they had hit their season average in 3P% (36.5%), they have have scored 6-9 more points. If they had held Kentucky to their season average in 3P% (29.3%), the Wildcats would have scored 6-9 points less.
It's always better to hit your FTs than miss them. But if you are going to examine why a team won or lost a game, why would you focus on the 9th or 10th most significant factor?
You are correct, but I think where fans get frustrated by the what ifs don’t factor in the opposing team’s efforts, too.
Case in point, UL if they had shot to their avg would have scored more points...true. But didn’t Kentucky’s defense have a say in how they shot? In other words, it wasn’t just a UL thing, but an opponent was out there trying to stop them...right?
But with free throws it’s always the shooter and the basket...no defenders to change the shot...always a 10 foot rim, 15 feet from the basket and no player can block the shot, etc. Same drill each time. Oh, sure, I get the argument about people screaming and pressure, etc, but in terms of the other team’s players flying at you, jumping to block shots, forcing you to run ragged to get open...that isn’t happening with free throws. It’s the most constant thing about basketball which is why when teams aren’t hitting them that frustration is high...the other team isn’t making you it’s free throws....you’re missing them on your own.
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You are correct, but I think where fans get frustrated by the what ifs don’t factor in the opposing team’s efforts, too.
Case in point, UL if they had shot to their avg would have scored more points...true. But didn’t Kentucky’s defense have a say in how they shot? In other words, it wasn’t just a UL thing, but an opponent was out there trying to stop them...right?
But with free throws it’s always the shooter and the basket...no defenders to change the shot...always a 10 foot rim, 15 feet from the basket and no player can block the shot, etc. Same drill each time. Oh, sure, I get the argument about people screaming and pressure, etc, but in terms of the other team’s players flying at you, jumping to block shots, forcing you to run ragged to get open...that isn’t happening with free throws. It’s the most constant thing about basketball which is why when teams aren’t hitting them that frustration is high...the other team isn’t making you it’s free throws....you’re missing them on your own.
If the conversation is about fan frustration, sure. That's not the conversation I'm having. I think Scoop has demonstrated that fans will get frustrated at just about anything.
And it's not entirely true that the opponent isn't doing anything to make you miss your free throws. Teams can be strategic about who they put at the free throw line.
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If the conversation is about fan frustration, sure. That's not the conversation I'm having. I think Scoop has demonstrated that fans will get frustrated at just about anything.
And it's not entirely true that the opponent isn't doing anything to make you miss your free throws. Teams can be strategic about who they put at the free throw line.
I think you can look no further than MU to make this case. Two years ago, MU shot 80.5% on free throws but it’s free throw rate was (28.8), one of the lowest in the nation (301). This season, MU is shooting almost ten points worse (70.8%), buts its free throw rate (42.7) is near the best (4th). Quite a difference.
This year it is about the Act of Attrition. While opponents are employing Hack a Shaq, MU is also trying to deplete its opponents’ depth.
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I think you can look no further than MU to make this case. Two years ago, MU shot 80.5% on free throws but it’s free throw rate was (28.8), one of the lowest in the nation (301). This season, MU is shooting almost ten points worse (70.8%), buts its free throw rate (42.7) is near the best (4th). Quite a difference.
In addition, the point gain is actually better on the latter case when you have a higher rate with a lower percentage. In 2017-18, the team's rate would have yielded 23.2 additional points at the line per 100 shot attempts. This year, the team's rate would yield 30.2 additional points at the line per 100 shot attempts. That's why free throw rate matters more than percentage. You would yield more points with that free throw rate even if the team only shot 55% from the line!
And of course, the extra bonus is the added fouls, which puts the opponent's under more pressure on defense, can take their best players out of the game for extended stretches, and compound the free throw advantage by getting into the bonus faster.
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Do we think Arizona fans wondered whether Nico was watching MU blow an 18 point lead to Seton Hall last year or watching MU need to beat one of Creighton or Georgetown at home to win a BE title last year and fail to do so? Or is that just the MU fan base that does that?
Who cares if Dawson was watching Indiana play tonight? He signed an NLI to come to Marquette next year. We don’t have to worry about these things anymore. And as we found out, as if it wasn’t just common sense, a single game typically doesn’t sway a recruit from deciding to go to one school over another, given that Dawson saw us lose by about 20 points at Wisconsin and committed to us days later. Thanks Arch for visiting Dawson and keeping him from the TV and ruling us out due to that ugly performance!
This was a joke. Some IU fan came on our board after the WI loss and stated he hoped Dawson was watching.
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This was a joke. Some IU fan came on our board after the WI loss and stated he hoped Dawson was watching.
Got it. I didn't remember the IU fan saying he hoped Dawson was watching the Wisconsin game. My apologies.
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If the conversation is about fan frustration, sure. That's not the conversation I'm having. I think Scoop has demonstrated that fans will get frustrated at just about anything.
And it's not entirely true that the opponent isn't doing anything to make you miss your free throws. Teams can be strategic about who they put at the free throw line.
Yes, teams can be strategic about who they put on the line but they cannot alter that person's shot. If that free throw shooter normally shoots 60% and for that game shoots 40%, that's on them...the basket didn't change, the rim is still 10 feet high.
Free throws is the one area that is as close to the same from game to game to game. Yes, I will concede shooting on the road has different backgrounds and all of that stuff....but the variability is much smaller than normal shooting in game action where one team's defenders can be massively different than another's...and they actually influence your shooting, spacing, openness, etc.
Fans get frustrated when a team shoots 70% from FT's and suddenly shoots 52% the next game. Whether it is rationale or not....well its fandom....not much in rationalization.
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This was a joke. Some IU fan came on our board after the WI loss and stated he hoped Dawson was watching.
THIS ^^^
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South Carolina just lost at home to Stetson.......SC had beaten both Virginia and Clemson in its last 2 games.
Good win for The Hatters.....’.bad loss for Frank Martin.....
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South Carolina just lost at home to Stetson.......SC had beaten both Virginia and Clemson in its last 2 games.
Good win for The Hatters.....’.bad loss for Frank Martin.....
South Carolina was a 23 point favorite.
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South Carolina just lost at home to Stetson.......SC had beaten both Virginia and Clemson in its last 2 games.
Good win for The Hatters.....’.bad loss for Frank Martin.....
It's almost like college basketball teams are inconsistent. A fascinating phenomenon
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Halftime
WI 22 - Rider 11
(Men's Basketball)
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Iowa State played without Tyrese Halliburton tonight.......it did not go well.......
https://twitter.com/kenpomeroy/status/1212192167541624832?s=21
https://twitter.com/jeffborzello/status/1212195781844905985?s=21
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St johnnies burped up a 7-0 end of game fur ball to butler.
60-58
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It was a neutral site game. The Cleveland Classic at the Rocket Mortgate Field House. WVU OSU game one and Duquesne Marshall game two.
My bad.
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Bucky up 4 at half vs OSU
OSU doesnt have Young tonight and had Washington banged up a bit but boy have they looked meh-bad recently.
Look brutal through 1 half tonight.
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Bucky up 4 at half vs OSU
OSU doesnt have Young tonight and had Washington banged up a bit but boy have they looked meh-bad recently.
Look brutal through 1 half tonight.
13-2 OSU run to start the 2nd half.
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13-2 OSU run to start the 2nd half.
Didn't last long.
They turn the ball over too much
Gonna be a grind the last 4 min
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Wisconsin now up 52-51. OSU ball under 2 minutes left. TO.
OSU scored 13 points in the first 3 minutes of the 2nd half. They have scored 13 points in the next 15 minutes.
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OSU is a dumb basketball team. And can't rebound.
Just fouled 83% free throw shooter when they didn't need to
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No top teams this year. Good win for UW though and I guess by extension good for us.
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Whoever that coach is for Ohio state, should be immediately fired ::)
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Nice win for the Badgers in an ugly game.
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Huge win on da road. Cummin' on now, hey?
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Huge win on da road. Cummin' on now, hey?
Well coached bazzketball teem.
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Does this make our loss, a better loss? Ya gotta say yes sir
Gard doing it with what? 2 & 3 star guys? Staying under the salary cap, eyn’a?
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UW has success every year, with much less "talent" than MU does. I understand its a style of play thing, but why cant MU get back to what is used to be?
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UW went from back to back Sweet 16s with Bo’s holdovers to missing the Tournament 2 years ago, a blowout loss in the first round to a 12 seed last year, and a worse resume than Marquette this year.
Yet we are crying because we can’t have the success of UW...
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Yet we are crying because we can’t have the success of UW...
I'd still trade places in a heartbeat with them. Way better game coach and his recruiting looks to be improving with these next two classes.
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I'd still trade places in a heartbeat with them.
Bo Ryan isn’t there anymore. And heck, I’m not sure he’s even shown his face on that campus since he forced Barry Alverez to pick his guy as his successor.
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Ohio State looked lost without Young...Really struggling as of late.
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I mean whenever MU loses a game on the road, most all here exclaim "it's hard to win on the road". And then you have a game like tonight where a VERY mediocre at best UW team goes into #5 Ohio State and wins...so, they can go into #5 OSU and win ON THE ROAD(where almost everyone here says it's hard to do) MU gets boat raced at Creighton and "it's hard to win on the road in CBB". So I guess it must just be hard for MU to win on the road, is that how it works?? I'm confused.
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I mean whenever MU loses a game on the road, most all here exclaim "it's hard to win on the road". And then you have a game like tonight where a VERY mediocre at best UW team goes into #5 Ohio State and wins...so, they can go into #5 OSU and win ON THE ROAD(where almost everyone here says it's hard to do) MU gets boat raced at Creighton and "it's hard to win on the road in CBB". So I guess it must just be hard for MU to win on the road, is that how it works?? I'm confused.
Hmm it's like osu had people injured and is on a slide or something
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One team has an established defensive system and identity and one doesn't. I make fun of their glacial pace as much as anyone, but when you can guard like they do in a slow game you have a chance.
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I mean whenever MU loses a game on the road, most all here exclaim "it's hard to win on the road". And then you have a game like tonight where a VERY mediocre at best UW team goes into #5 Ohio State and wins...so, they can go into #5 OSU and win ON THE ROAD(where almost everyone here says it's hard to do) MU gets boat raced at Creighton and "it's hard to win on the road in CBB". So I guess it must just be hard for MU to win on the road, is that how it works?? I'm confused.
Ohio State was missing key players tonight and that goes unmentioned. UW now has Potter to play for added depth, etc, etc.
And yes, it is hard to win on the road. How are Big East teams doing in the road thus far? 2-4 with one win by a bucket by the first place team and the other as a collapse by DePaul against one of the favorites.
Last I checked Wojo is 3-3 against UW.
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Hate to be that guy but to the person who said they made the sweet 16 with bo ryans left overs. They were 9-9 at one point and came back to the s16 which in my opinion is impressive which is intirely on the coach for keeping the team together. I also heard a stat that since Gard has taken over he has won 5 games against top 5 teams away from the Kohls center. I take that in a heartbeat over what we have done on the road lately. Going back 4 years is nice since he took over but they have like 10,000 more tournament wins since our last win in 2013. Also to say they are mediocre may be true in comparison to past years but if Potter had be eligible they would have beaten Rutgers, St. Marys and one of Richmond/ New Mexico and would be sitting at 12-2 and most likely top 15 after tonight. Enough about them though.
Injuries or not to win @ Ohio st is impressive. Do you really feel MU would go in there and win after how they played at Creighton.
Onto Villanova tomorrow where we will get our first resume booster of the year.
Anyone know if they have $3 hams talls boys.
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I mean whenever MU loses a game on the road, most all here exclaim "it's hard to win on the road". And then you have a game like tonight where a VERY mediocre at best UW team goes into #5 Ohio State and wins...so, they can go into #5 OSU and win ON THE ROAD(where almost everyone here says it's hard to do) MU gets boat raced at Creighton and "it's hard to win on the road in CBB". So I guess it must just be hard for MU to win on the road, is that how it works?? I'm confused.
Couldn't you also flip that and say people are freaking about about a bad road game vs Creighton when Ohio State just lost at HOME to a "medicore" team?
I can see why you're confused if you're just going to cherry pick.
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Guru
For some on here there is a silver lining for every recruit, injury, transfer or game result. Off course they play both sides of the fence to make their points. In fact, there is usually multiple silver livings for everything related to their posts.
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I am not going to say that I want to trade places with UW, but I wish our bigs had the footwork and the interior scoring capability that they have down low. What bothers me about MU is that we turn the ball over too much (lack of fundamentals) and can only seem to score one way. IMO those are both chronic issues related to coaching and recruiting.
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I am not going to say that I want to trade places with UW, but I wish our bigs had the footwork and the interior scoring capability that they have down low. What bothers me about MU is that we turn the ball over too much (lack of fundamentals) and can only seem to score one way. IMO those are both chronic issues related to coaching and recruiting.
If MU played fundamental basketball, Wojo's tenure wouldn't be questioned.
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Guru
For some on here there is a silver lining for every recruit, injury, transfer or game result. Off course they play both sides of the fence to make their points. In fact, there is usually multiple silver livings for everything related to their posts.
Similarly, every victory seems to have a dark cloud for some on here. And you know what? They both usually do!
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Similarly, every victory seems to have a dark cloud for some on here.
Yep.
Sadly, there will be some Marquette "fans" disappointed if we win today. There even has been talk about betting against our guys, giving them even more incentive to root against their "favorite" team.
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Similarly, every victory seems to have a dark cloud for some on here. And you know what? They both usually do!
Unfortunately true, but don’t put Goose in that category. He wants us to win. There are others that do not and feel it is a means to an end.
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Georgia beats #9 Memphis at Memphis, nicely done by a former MU coach
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Marquette beat #10 Villanova at home
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Marquette beat #10 Villanova at home
Surprised nobody mentioned this yet. I'll have to see if there's a replay 8-)
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North Carolina is down 19-2 at home against Georgia Tech.......NC still looking for first made field goal.....10 minutes in.....
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North Carolina is down 19-2 at home against Georgia Tech.......NC still looking for first made field goal.....10 minutes in.....
Now 27-6. Is Roy aware there are no draft picks to tank for in the NCAA?
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North Carolina made it's first shot 13:10 into the game. (1-16) shooting. Trail Georgia Tech 32-8 on the ACC Network.
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North Carolina made it's first shot 13:10 into the game. (1-16) shooting. Trail Georgia Tech 32-8 on the ACC Network.
One game to watch next week is UNC vs. Clemson. Clemson is 0-59 at Chapel Hill and this is probably their best shot to win in a while.
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I saw today that NC is still.only 25-1 to win the friggin National Championship!
I mean how much of a homer do,you have to be to throw your money away on that bet?
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North Carolina made it's first shot 13:10 into the game. (1-16) shooting. Trail Georgia Tech 32-8 on the ACC Network.
Good. Coaches. Don't. Let. This. Happen.
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Good. Coaches. Don't. Let. This. Happen.
+1
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I saw today that NC is still.only 25-1 to win the friggin National Championship!
I mean how much of a homer do,you have to be to throw your money away on that bet?
Can I short that? ;D
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nm
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Surprised nobody mentioned this yet. I'll have to see if there's a replay 8-)
I show a 10 PM ET on FS1 Spectrum Channel 112 in Tampa.
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Replay at 9pm on FS1.
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I saw today that NC is still.only 25-1 to win the friggin National Championship!
I mean how much of a homer do,you have to be to throw your money away on that bet?
If they have Anthony then it isn’t an awful bet, but I’d be surprised if he comes back.
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If they have Anthony then it isn’t an awful bet, but I’d be surprised if he comes back.
No thats an awful bet.
They are not fringe top 25 with him.
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Georgia beats #9 Memphis at Memphis, nicely done by a former MU coach
well done ;) gotta give credit where it's due. let's see if tc can revamp a b-ball team at a football school. kinda like another former MU coach did, eyn'a?
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well done ;) gotta give credit where it's due. let's see if tc can revamp a b-ball team at a football school. kinda like another former MU coach did, eyn'a?
Anyone see Illinois beat Purdue 63-37? Ouch. Thought Purdue was quite overvalued, but putting up 37 points? Wow.
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Anyone see Illinois beat Purdue 63-37? Ouch. Thought Purdue was quite overvalued, but putting up 37 points? Wow.
And UVa put up 40 against Purdue. Circle of life
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And UVa put up 40 against Purdue. Circle of life
Yep, UVA's 184th ranked offense isn't very prolific. Then again, UVA is coming off a National Championship, which is nice.
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Anyone see Illinois beat Purdue 63-37? Ouch. Thought Purdue was quite overvalued, but putting up 37 points? Wow.
The teams MU beat in non-conference are really not coming through. Purdue, Davidson, KSU, and imo USC (watched the whole game last night and they looked terrible) are all pretty bad this year. I’m not counting on any of those being “good” wins on selection Sunday.
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Some people will find a way to claim anybody MU beats is bad. If the results don't prove it, they'll just claim it's proof that college basketball sucks/is down.
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Yep, UVA's 184th ranked offense isn't very prolific. Then again, UVA is coming off a National Championship, which is nice.
True, but also true is their amazing defense allowed Purdue to score 69 on them....only two teams have scored 69 or more on them all year...and UVa lost both times. No one else has even scored 57 on them this year.
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The teams MU beat in non-conference are really not coming through. Purdue, Davidson, KSU, and imo USC (watched the whole game last night and they looked terrible) are all pretty bad this year. I’m not counting on any of those being “good” wins on selection Sunday.
We'll see how it plays out. Kansas State is currently an A game win. USC is considered B, same for Davidson and Purdue. Those schools will likely get some scalps at home and lose some bad games on the road, that's been the trend this year.
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We'll see how it plays out. Kansas State is currently an A game win. USC is considered B, same for Davidson and Purdue. Those schools will likely get some scalps at home and lose some bad games on the road, that's been the trend this year.
Purdue is fading fast. They are horrible.
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All I can say is that this Big East is really good. Seems that most everyone in the country knows the BE about the #2 or #3 conference most years (except maybe some people/kids in Madison). What Val, the BE presidents and university programs have done should be admired. Hell, look at what UCONN is doing to get back into the Big East. That speaks volumes. Kudos to MU and the rest of the Big East.
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We'll see how it plays out. Kansas State is currently an A game win. USC is considered B, same for Davidson and Purdue. Those schools will likely get some scalps at home and lose some bad games on the road, that's been the trend this year.
Ultimately though kenpom's letter system is completely meaningless. Where they fall in the Quadrant system are all that matters. All of those are Q2 games.
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Purdue is fading fast. They are horrible.
They are expected to lose their next three games because of who they play....but they haven’t played them yet. In terms of fading fast, what are you talking about? They lost badly this weekend, won their previous two and lost to Butler before that trailing 62-58 with under a minute to play before ultimately falling by 9.
They have a win over Virginia and an OT loss to Florida State.
Right now they are projected in the NCAA tournament. Maybe they are “horrible”, but that doesn’t line up with their resume to date or your description. And yes, I expect them to lose their next three games.
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Ultimately though kenpom's letter system is completely meaningless. Where they fall in the Quadrant system are all that matters. All of those are Q2 games.
Incorrect and false. NCAA uses Ken Pom, Sagarin, etc as tools. To say they are meaningless is not correct. How much meaning, who knows...but you cannot say meaningless.
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Incorrect and false. NCAA uses Ken Pom, Sagarin, etc as tools. To say they are meaningless is not correct. How much meaning, who knows...but you cannot say meaningless.
The system and overall rankings they use. The A/B classification is nowhere on the team sheets. It's meaningless.
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NBA but still note worthy.......stuff happens....even to great teams
https://twitter.com/statsbystats/status/1214396989665947649?s=21
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#18 Virginia loses to Boston College
#20 Penn St loses to Rutgers
Crap happens
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#18 Virginia loses to Boston College
#20 Penn St loses to Rutgers
Crap happens
Villanova looks like they're about to be ripped apart by Creighton. Barely keeping their head above water.
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Pitt once trailed by 14 points, will win at North Carolina.
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Pitt once trailed by 14 points, will win at North Carolina.
Roy Williams' worst team since being at UNC.
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Northwestern choked it away at IU. 1.5 seconds down two IU ball and NW calls its last TO. Must be a Duke strategy.
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Roy Williams' worst team since being at UNC.
Wonder if old Roy will be ushered into retirement like Dean Smith, dadgum it!
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Wonder if old Roy will be ushered into retirement like Dean Smith, dadgum it!
It'll be the 2nd time since being at UNC that Roy Williams has not made the NCAA tourney.
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Roy Williams' worst team since being at UNC.
Don't think that qualifier is necessary.
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Don't think that qualifier is necessary.
To be fair, injuries have been robbing Roy of a couple very important pieces. These teams that depend on one and dones or close to that depend just on that. Way it goes.
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Don't think that qualifier is necessary.
What's Roy's record since he had to recruit kids who have to go class?
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What's Roy's record since he had to recruit kids who have to go class?
IDK but includes a national championship and national runner up.
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To be fair, injuries have been robbing Roy of a couple very important pieces. These teams that depend on one and dones or close to that depend just on that. Way it goes.
Wait a minute.....
With all the advantages of simply being a blue blood your cutting Roy some slack due to injuries?
To be fair.... It is a valid reason for a team to struggle. Especially at the end of a long year in the BEast
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Oops. Badgers blow a late lead at home and lose to Illinois by 1.
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Oops. Badgers blow a late lead at home and lose to Illinois by 1.
How many slams did Cockburn have for the Illini?
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Oops. Badgers blow a late lead at home and lose to Illinois by 1.
Crying shame, it is.
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What's Roy's record since he had to recruit kids who have to go class?
Nice one Dr. B! I had a good laugh on that one. Time to call my UNC buds and use that on them.
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The system and overall rankings they use. The A/B classification is nowhere on the team sheets. It's meaningless.
That was my reaction to Chicos' post initially as well.. but, I think it may be relevant. We need to ax questions of the committee...
Indeed, it's irrelevant to the team sheet... but, folks I believe can use whatever they wish... tarot cards, etc... if that's useful information to them.
To think that some* (and I'm positive not all, but maybe* some) look at kenpom's site and do look at A/B games when selecting and seeding teams doesn't seem that far fetched to me.
So, I'd say... there may be some relevance to A/B kenpom classifications when it comes to tourney selection time... probably not much tho.
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I think when it comes to amateur bracketologists, they have meaning, especially before the first round of NET and Team Sheets, but once we get to Selection Sunday, I don't think anyone in that room is focusing on kenpom's A/B classification when they have the Quadrants in front of them.
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Purdue Michigan almost seems to be ending exactly like MU prov
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Purdue Michigan almost seems to be ending exactly like MU prov
What channel is that on?
Big Ten Network by me has Women's bball on.
Memphis down by 7 with 3 min to go. was down by 19 at Wich St.
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FS1
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The system and overall rankings they use. The A/B classification is nowhere on the team sheets. It's meaningless.
With all due respect I would suggest reading what committee members have said over the years. I have been friends with two people that have served on the committee at various points over the years, both are conference commissioners. There are a bunch of materials provided to the committee members. They are also allowed to bring their own materials, or at least were....I would have to confirm.
My point is that things shift and individual committee members sometimes do gut feel / old school while others are heavy into the various data options.
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Down goes Maryland.
There are truly no elite teams this year. MU gets in with a 10 seed and wins two games is the most unlikely - likely thing ever this year.
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Ohio State loses fourth straight....I thought only Wojo did that when his teams are ranked.
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Ok, not a surprise. Syracuse and Virginia tied at 39 point with 3 minutes left in the game. Shootout.
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Clemson down by 10 at halftime, win in overtime at North Carolina. First ever win at UNC.
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Clemson down by 10 at halftime, win in overtime at North Carolina. First ever win at UNC.
Wojo to UNC!! ;)
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Wisconsin beats Penn st. Big ten has 5 road wins in conference play and they have 2 of them. Wish we could win on the road.
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Purdue up 71-42 late on Michigan State on CBS.
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Wisconsin beats Penn st. Big ten has 5 road wins in conference play and they have 2 of them. Wish we could win on the road.
Wish we could beat Purdue....
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Wish we could beat Purdue....
BOOM!
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UConn hits a three to tie. No foul up by three by Wichita State. 9-0 run by UConn to force OT. Games on CBSSN.
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Wish we could beat Purdue....
Very helpful. I'll remember the Purdue win fondly as we're hoping for a game at the Al in the NIT.
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Very helpful. I'll remember the Purdue win fondly as we're hoping for a game at the Al in the NIT.
OK, you do that.
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South Florida leads #21 Memphis, 51-37 on ESPN2.
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MU is in 9th place in BEast, only ahead of DePaul which will change when they kick Wojos ass.
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MU is in 9th place in BEast, only ahead of DePaul which will change when they kick Wojos ass.
We are in 6th place....nice lie again, Willie.
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We are in 6th place....nice lie again, Willie.
Seriously? Out of ten teams only one has a worse record. We are both 6th and 9th.
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Seriously? Out of ten teams only one has a worse record. We are both 6th and 9th.
You didn’t take sports as a young man, did you....or your male card was revoked.
We are tied for 6th. That’s how it works. You aren’t in 6th and 9th...we are tied for 6th. DePaul is 10th. You don’t get to make up new rules now that no one in sports recognizes.
It also means nothing at this time of year because some teams have played tougher conference schedules than others have....but whatever fits your agenda.
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Okay. Fair enough. We are 6th.
We are in serious jeopardy of missing the Tourney and maybe looking for a new coach, agreed or your male card will be revoked?
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how does ohio state go into yesterdays game ranked 11th being 1-3 in big ten(now 1-4) with a 2-4 record over previous 6 games(now 2-5)? yes, they have some big wins, but those were a long time ago now
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Okay. Fair enough. We are 6th.
We are in serious jeopardy of missing the Tourney and maybe looking for a new coach, agreed or your male card will be revoked?
I don’t piss my trousers like the rest of you in January. Our tourney hopes will sort them out weeks from now. The only way we look for a new coach is if he chooses to leave, which with our fan base I wouldn’t blame him. Some of you would have run Wright, K, and many others out of town.
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how does ohio state go into yesterdays game ranked 11th being 1-3 in big ten(now 1-4) with a 2-4 record over previous 6 games(now 2-5)? yes, they have some big wins, but those were a long time ago now
Going to guess you aren't familiar with how rankings work.
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For the second time in 5 1/2 weeks, the bad Purdue team over whom we had an unimpressive victory has defeated a top-10 team by 29 points -- this time No. 8 Michigan State; last time, No. 5 Virginia.
In between those wins, the same awful Purdue team lost in double-OT at No. 19 Michigan.
Also, they were crushed at Illinois and lost at Nebraska.
Oh, and in only-kinda-related news, UNC lost at home to Clemson for the first time ever; the Cheatin' Heels had been 59-0 at home in the series. Afterward, Roy Williams, almost in tears, said he deserved to be fired.
It's almost as if college basketball were wildly unpredictable this season.
Of course, Marquette -- and only Marquette -- should be above that unpredictability. Can't believe we haven't won 17 of our first 16 games!
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I don’t piss my trousers like the rest of you in January. Our tourney hopes will sort them out weeks from now. The only way we look for a new coach is if he chooses to leave, which with our fan base I wouldn’t blame him. Some of you would have run Wright, K, and many others out of town.
You're not wrong. But then again, when a Marquette team was underperforming in January for a previous coach, you wrote a blog labeling them choking dogs who pee themselves.
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Not sure where to put this, but USC beat UCLA by double digits and is now 13-3. The surprise (not sure if its true); UCLA does not have a McDonalds All American on their roster for the first time in 40 years. Per Alden Gonzalez ESPN staff writer.
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You're not wrong. But then again, when a Marquette team was underperforming in January for a previous coach, you wrote a blog labeling them choking dogs who pee themselves.
Yes, I did used some of Buzz’s own words...I also apologized for it....let me know when folks here apologize in this area...thanks.
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Not sure where to put this, but USC beat UCLA by double digits and is now 13-3. The surprise (not sure if its true); UCLA does not have a McDonalds All American on their roster for the first time in 40 years. Per Alden Gonzalez ESPN staff writer.
They still have a lot of talent. Their problem is desire and misfit parts...reminds me a lot of what Buzz left us. Individual talent, but not a good sum of the parts. Cronin will instill the toughness part with them, they will mold into a defensive team. The question will be whether the LA fan base will like that....they didn’t with Howland.
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They still have a lot of talent. Their problem is desire and misfit parts...reminds me a lot of what Buzz left us. Individual talent, but not a good sum of the parts. Cronin will instill the toughness part with them, they will mold into a defensive team. The question will be whether the LA fan base will like that....they didn’t with Howland.
Sounds like the Wojo era with individual talent not coming together.
It may only be January, but these results count the same as late February games. We could rip off 14 straight wins, but I think the worry is more how we are losing than just the losing.
Sure, we weren’t expected to beat Creighton or SH on the road. However, isn’t that kind of the problem with where we are at? That we just write that off as a loss? Or that there isn’t much hope to exceed an expectation.
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Yes, I did used some of Buzz’s own words...I also apologized for it....let me know when folks here apologize in this area...thanks.
Even your apologies are full of sh!t. “I did use some of Buzz’s own words”, you confess. LOL. But What about your own words? Buzz never called anyone “dogs”. Buzz never called anyone “choking dogs”. That was you and you alone.
And apology or not, it proved an absolutely visceral bias you harbored against any Marquette team coached by Buzz Williams. It had become clear to most MU fans very early on that Buzz could coach circles around Tom Crean. Because of that you hated him. Not because of articles in the Chicago Tribune that came years later. You had blown your cover years before that.
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Even your apologies are full of sh!t. “I did use some of Buzz’s own words”, you confess. LOL. But What about your own words? Buzz never called anyone “dogs”. Buzz never called anyone “choking dogs”. That was you and you alone.
And apology or not, it proved an absolutely visceral bias you harbored against any Marquette team coached by Buzz Williams. It had become clear to most MU fans very early on that Buzz could coach circles around Tom Crean. Because of that you hated him. Not because of articles in the Chicago Tribune that came years later. You had blown your cover years before that.
Crean gave him pats on the head, whereas Buzz had no idea he existed. Therein lies the rub.
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Crean gave him pats on the head, whereas Buzz had no idea he existed. Therein lies the rub.
This.
And Joani Crean said “Hi” to his wife once.
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dookie down by 5 to clemson with 3 min to go
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Pitt up on Louisville on ACC Network. 3 minutes also left.
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Even your apologies are full of sh!t. “I did use some of Buzz’s own words”, you confess. LOL. But What about your own words? Buzz never called anyone “dogs”. Buzz never called anyone “choking dogs”. That was you and you alone.
And apology or not, it proved an absolutely visceral bias you harbored against any Marquette team coached by Buzz Williams. It had become clear to most MU fans very early on that Buzz could coach circles around Tom Crean. Because of that you hated him. Not because of articles in the Chicago Tribune that came years later. You had blown your cover years before that.
Like I said, I apologized...within hours of the blog post. Your second part of your post is incorrect. I NEVER, repeat, NEVER campaigned for him to be fired. I also on many occasions said he was a great coach, worthy of coach of the year award. You always forget this part. But I also know some of the other stuff that went on as do others here, and for that I am glad he is gone.
Hugs...big hugs for you Lenny.
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dookie down by 5 to clemson with 3 min to go
Don't worry, someone will say for Duke it was a crapshoot. And someone will detail how we should have hired Clemson's coach instead of Wojo.... 🤐😖
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Going to guess you aren't familiar with how rankings work.
going to guess you aren't familiar with how satire works
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Crean gave him pats on the head, whereas Buzz had no idea he existed. Therein lies the rub.
On the list of coaches I know, work with, etc....Buzz is nowhere to be found, which is fine by me. I am not particularly fond of TC on the personal level at all. Not a person I enjoyed working with, but he got results.
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Like I said, I apologized...within hours of the blog post. Your second part of your post is incorrect. I NEVER, repeat, NEVER campaigned for him to be fired. I also on many occasions said he was a great coach, worthy of coach of the year award. You always forget this part. But I also know some of the other stuff that went on as do others here, and for that I am glad he is gone.
Hugs...big hugs for you Lenny.
Chico
I never said you called for his firing. I said you hated the guy and hated him early on, long before any articles in the Chicago Trib, etc.. The choking dogs piece was just one example of it. The question is why you went so off your rocker about Buzz from the jump. My best guess? You know basketball and it was apparent to you early on (as it was to me and others) that Buzz was a step up as a coach from TC - a guy you liked and whose legacy you reflexively defended. Anyway, the idea that this guy you never wanted was building a better program than your guy didn’t sit very well and thus an angry anti Buzz, anti MU blog (and tons of other snarks) were hatched.
Hugs for you too, Chico...
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Chico
I never said you called for his firing. I said you hated the guy and hated him early on, long before any articles in the Chicago Trib, etc.. The choking dogs piece was just one example of it. The question is why you went so off your rocker about Buzz from the jump. My best guess? You know basketball and it was apparent to you early on (as it was to me and others) that Buzz was a step up as a coach from TC - a guy you liked and whose legacy you reflexively defended. Anyway, the idea that this guy you never wanted was building a better program than your guy didn’t sit very well and thus an angry anti Buzz, anti MU blog (and tons of other snarks) were hatched.
Hugs for you too, Chico...
What I didn't like was the fact he was going nowhere and always available to be secured after Crean left. Why the rush, that was the key for me. Why the rush to secure him in a contract that could have been done weeks later? To secure a class that everyone knew wouldn't be secured, despite Buzz being the lead recruiter for Taylor.
Plenty of comments made April 8th, 2008 by me which were positive or neutral. He's not the guy I would have hired that day because we could wait, but I wanted him to succeed then and every year after that as numerous posts I made prove that out.
Now, were there things that happened prior to the bigger stuff that went public that got me steamed....yes...because I was told some of what was going on and what wasn't hitting the press, etc. So yes, that contributed to it. Concerns in the AD on how things were being done, etc...yeah, it was not cool IMO. But when we were winning, people didn't care. When it suddenly becomes the evening news later....hmm.
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Wisconsin beats #17 Maryland.
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Wisconsin beats #17 Maryland.
Mcnut puncher with forced maryland tournover with 12 seconds left down 1, then hits the game winning 3 on the very next play.
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Team that scored at will on MU ends up being held to 54.
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Team that scored at will on MU ends up being held to 54.
That proves we're the worst.
Of course, our victory over Purdue -- which has 29-point wins over the nation's No. 5 and No. 8 teams -- proves we're the best.
Ah, sports and the transitive property. It's math, baby!
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That proves we're the worst.
Of course, our victory over Purdue -- which has 29-point wins over the nation's No. 5 and No. 8 teams -- proves we're the best.
Not sure what Purdue has to do with anything. I must have missed our games against MSU and UVA.
Anyway, you couldn't watch that game, and our game, and not come away impressed with how Wisconsin gameplanned for Maryland.
Just frustrating to see them get it done damn near every year for the last 20 while MU is spinning its wheels.
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Not sure what Purdue has to do with anything. I must have missed our games against MSU and UVA.
Anyway, you couldn't watch that game, and our game, and not come away impressed with how Wisconsin gameplanned for Maryland.
Just frustrating to see them get it done damn near every year for the last 20 while MU is spinning its wheels.
Wisconsin has had a nice run of fairly talented bigs.
It's Marquettes turn next year.
Losing Sam and Joey didn't help this year.
It is what it is.
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ESPN had graphic saying that Clemson's win over Duke was 11th time this season that top-5 team lost to unranked opponent.
Pretty amazing
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Crean gave him pats on the head, whereas Buzz had no idea he existed. Therein lies the rub.
Was it a pat on the head or a rub? A rub would be like a noogie
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Not sure what Purdue has to do with anything. I must have missed our games against MSU and UVA.
Anyway, you couldn't watch that game, and our game, and not come away impressed with how Wisconsin gameplanned for Maryland.
Just frustrating to see them get it done damn near every year for the last 20 while MU is spinning its wheels.
The difference plain and simple is they play defense the whole game. They held Penn st to 49 points saturday (31) below their average. I expected more from Wojo as a defensive player than what he has created here. I know this fan base never gives credit to wisconsin because of the rivalry but for a team that literally kicked out ass in November struggled to score against Wisconsin. Again as I stated early in the week because I don't have just MU goggles on. If Potter had played the whole year the Badgers would have 2-3 less losses as he is the second best player on the team. 2-3 less losses leaves them at 13-4 or 14-3 and ranked in the top 15. I don't see MU beating Maryland at home or going to Penn St or OSU and winning. However on the flip I don't see Wisconsin going to Seton hall or Creighton either and winning.
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Lots of upsets. Some make our wins and losses look better. Some make them look worse.
It’s only a snapshot, but all that really matters right now is this: is MU better, worse or exactly as expected. Going by Pomeroy, we’re worse. Lots of season left to change that - here’s hoping.
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going to guess you aren't familiar with how satire works
Oh I am, but nothing about that resembled satire.
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Not sure what Purdue has to do with anything. I must have missed our games against MSU and UVA.
Anyway, you couldn't watch that game, and our game, and not come away impressed with how Wisconsin gameplanned for Maryland.
Just frustrating to see them get it done damn near every year for the last 20 while MU is spinning its wheels.
They have been the best program in the state for 20 years. Their coaches stay. They have a system that many here abhor. MU fans to play a pro style game...there are trade offs in life. If MU wanted to go to a systemic approach you better be ready to commit to it for years with all the warts that go with it....and the benefits. Wisconsin will continue to be good as long as they stick to that system and remain consistent to their style ...plug and play.
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https://twitter.com/jeffborzello/status/1217625767942787072?s=21
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https://twitter.com/jeffborzello/status/1217625767942787072?s=21
Fire Cal!
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Fire Cal!
Hire Cal at MU!
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Hire Cal at MU!
Sounds like a plan!
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Sounds like a plan!
Yeah, we got 8 Million in the Budget.
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Yeah, we got 8 Million in the Budget.
Need it in a suitcase, though.
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Yeah, we got 8 Million in the Budget.
And another $8 million for players.
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Temple beats #16 Wichita State.
A real shocker.
Thanks, I'll be here all week. Don't forget to tip your server.
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8 top 25 teams played tonight. In 5 of 7 the unranked home team(or for SH the lower ranked road team) won. This season is wild. Gonna keep being a rollercoaster. Win your home games. Pray for road wins
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Last night:
Virginia lost (we have more wins than Virginia)
Auburn lost to Alabama
The Shockers lost to temple
And
Kentucky lost.
So another night of top 25 teams losing to unranked teams.
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8 top 25 teams played tonight. In 5 of 7 the unranked home team(or for SH the lower ranked road team) won. This season is wild. Gonna keep being a rollercoaster. Win your home games. Pray for road wins
Somehow I didn’t see this. I’m a dummy. Sorry.
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Last night:
Virginia lost (we have more wins than Virginia)
So another night of top 25 teams losing to unranked teams.
Except Virginia was unranked losing on the road to top-10 Florida State.
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Washington State up late on #8 Oregon on FS1.
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#8 Oregon just lost at Washington State. Final 72-61 .Washington State undermanned according to announcers with a few guys out.
Another top 10 team loses to an Unranked opponent.
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They have been the best program in the state for 20 years. Their coaches stay. They have a system that many here abhor. MU fans to play a pro style game...there are trade offs in life. If MU wanted to go to a systemic approach you better be ready to commit to it for years with all the warts that go with it....and the benefits. Wisconsin will continue to be good as long as they stick to that system and remain consistent to their style ...plug and play.
Promoting your team any chance you get.
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Promoting your team any chance you get.
I have thousands of chances, I almost always rip them...but yes, they are the best team in the state the last 20 years by every metric. Facts trump hurt feelings. I wish it weren’t the case, but it is.
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USC dismantled Cal. They are 14-3. Good win for MU.
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I have thousands of chances, I almost always rip them...but yes, they are the best team in the state the last 20 years by every metric. Facts trump hurt feelings. I wish it weren’t the case, but it is.
The crazy thing is...... right when things look like they're about to change, some people want the guy instituting that change gone.
He's done enough to entice a top ten recruiting class and will be returning a fairly robust group with Theo, Brendan, Koby, Janal, Greg, Dexter, and Symir.
Add Karim Mane to the group and its impossible for me to see why anyone would want to risk messing that up.
That's on top of what's looking to be an exciting finish to this season and a possible tournament bid.
IJDGI
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USC dismantled Cal. They are 14-3. Good win for MU.
Good win due to the margin of victory. USC is still only 65 in Kenpom. They have two decent neutral court wins over #32 LSU and #55 TCU by a combined 4 points. Beyond that their three best wins are #97 Harvard (N), @ #101 Nevada, and #120 South Dakota State (H). In conference they are 3-1 with the 3 wins being @ #131 Washington State, @ #147 UCLA (woof), and #188 California (H). The loss was @ #40 Washington by 32.
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The crazy thing is...... right when things look like they're about to change, some people want the guy instituting that change gone.
He's done enough to entice a top ten recruiting class and will be returning a fairly robust group with Theo, Brendan, Koby, Janal, Greg, Dexter, and Symir.
Add Karim Mane to the group and its impossible for me to see why anyone would want to risk messing that up.
That's on top of what's looking to be an exciting finish to this season and a possible tournament bid.
IJDGI
Hopefully, but not sure what that has to do with UW-Madison. They will continue to recruit system players and do well. The number of scoopers last year who said they would fall off a cliff this year due to Happ leaving was interesting. They haven’t been paying attention to the system they play.
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The crazy thing is...... right when things look like they're about to change, some people want the guy instituting that change gone.
He's done enough to entice a top ten recruiting class and will be returning a fairly robust group with Theo, Brendan, Koby, Janal, Greg, Dexter, and Symir.
Add Karim Mane to the group and its impossible for me to see why anyone would want to risk messing that up.
That's on top of what's looking to be an exciting finish to this season and a possible tournament bid.
IJDGI
I'm not saying which way is right, or which way is wrong, but playing devil's advocate...what good does a class that good do, if he is incapable of Coaching them properly/managing their egos etc?? I have always felt that Wojo needs a good enough class where he can basically just "roll the ball out and go play" and let the kids talent do their thing. This MIGHT be that class(especially if you add Mane). This class is the only reason I have a little more rope with him as of now..very little more, but more nonetheless. Let's put it this way, if they could keep this class regardless(and they could possibly depending on Coach), you know where I'd sit whether to get rid of him or not.
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Good win due to the margin of victory. USC is still only 65 in Kenpom. They have two decent neutral court wins over #32 LSU and #55 TCU by a combined 4 points. Beyond that their three best wins are #97 Harvard (N), @ #101 Nevada, and #120 South Dakota State (H). In conference they are 3-1 with the 3 wins being @ #131 Washington State, @ #147 UCLA (woof), and #188 California (H). The loss was @ #40 Washington by 32.
Yup. Solid Q2 win. Maybe we should have only beat them by 1 so their Kenpom and NET would be better.
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WOW.
I mean the games still have time. But there are some potential big upsets today.
Baylor down 11 early in 2nd half.
The Hall down 13 at St Johns at half.
Ohio state down 14 early in 2nd half.
Today could be one hell of a day.
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All those teams are on the road.Tough to win on road no matter who you play
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All those teams are on the road.Tough to win on road no matter who you play
THERE SHOULD BE ZERO REASON OR EXCUSE FOR THOSE TEAMS TO LOSE
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No problem know it all.Enjoy your day
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WOW.
I mean the games still have time. But there are some potential big upsets today.
Baylor down 11 early in 2nd half.
The Hall down 13 at St Johns at half.
Ohio state down 14 early in 2nd half.
Today could be one hell of a day.
Ohio State was an underdog and will be 1-5 in conference. They are not good right now.
Not surprising SHU is having a letdown but hope they pull it out.
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No problem know it all.Enjoy your day
Lol. It was a joke as other posters said there is no reason MU should lose today and zero excuses. Didn’t think teal was necessary.
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DePaul up 13 on Butler with 5 minutes left in the first half.
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wow! UNC is really hurtin! pitt is smokin them by 16 with 3 min to go...must be goin for the high draft pick then, eyn'a?
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Kstate beating the holy hell outta WVU
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Kstate beating the holy hell outta WVU
Thank God. They are 103 in KenPom. Need them in Top 100
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#4 auburn loses by 22 to Florida on the road
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#4 auburn loses by 22 to Florida on the road
Guru will let the committee know that they have no business being in the NCAA tournament
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Guru will let the committee know that they have no business being in the NCAA tournament
LOL
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That crappy Kansas State team that we beat on the road just sparked #12 West Virginia by 16......it’s hard to win.....celebrate them all.
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5 ranked teams have lost today.
2 are currently losing in the 2nd halves of their games.
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dookies losing 2nd game on cammy indoor
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Not a huge upset but #11 Louisville is about to knock off #2 Duke in Cameron. Duke's last 90 seconds was about the sloppiest basketball I have seen all season....and I watched the Robert Morris game!
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Stat during the Duke/UL broadcast, 6 losses by AP top 5 teams this week. Most in a week since 1974
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This may be a bit early in the season but...
Calling on brew, tamu, wades and JJJJJJJ.
Given all the losses by top 25 teams. And the parity that we are seeing this year.
Do we want the top 25 teams to keep winning so teams around us/near us are not knocking them off?
Or do we want to keep seeing this wacky upsets daily type season?
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5 ranked teams have lost today.
Yes...and all 5 lost to unranked teams. This year is wild.
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And USC just beat Stanford in OT...they were at 51. That will move them into the top 50, thereby giving MU another 1 win(for now anyway)
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Yes...and all 5 lost to untangled teams. This year is wild.
And yet some people don't see the big picture. Lots of parity. MU will be fine.
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USC was down 20 at the half.........Won it at the free throw line 27 of 36 ......8-14 for Stanford.
Cardinal made 10-20 threes and shot 50% on 2s....free throws and offensive rebounds did it for SC.
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This may be a bit early in the season but...
Calling on brew, tamu, wades and JJJJJJJ.
Given all the losses by top 25 teams. And the parity that we are seeing this year.
Do we want the top 25 teams to keep winning so teams around us/near us are not knocking them off?
Or do we want to keep seeing this wacky upsets daily type season?
I'll try to get an update out tomorrow or Monday, but my thought is this makes it more important for us to go on a bit of a run. Everyone having some good wins means two things to me. First, there will be room at the top for teams to move in. The top four lines will likely be far more fluid. Second, the difference between the 5-line and the bubble will be thin. Whoever ends up on the top two NIT lines will almost certainly be pissed.
I guess it depends on aspirations. If you want to hope Marquette can earn a protected seed, cheer for upsets and a Marquette run. If you just want a bid, cheer for the big boys and hope we get to 8-10 in league or better.
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OSU really completed a full circle on the season. Got as high as #5 (not to mention ESPN crowned them CBBs "best" team in the early half of the season when all the #1 teams were losing), and now have dropped 5 of the last 6. Seton Hall should skyrocket in the polls on Monday.
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OSU really completed a full circle on the season. Got as high as #5 (not to mention ESPN crowned them CBBs "best" team in the early half of the season when all the #1 teams were losing), and now have dropped 5 of the last 6. Seton Hall should skyrocket in the polls on Monday.
True.
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This may be a bit early in the season but...
Calling on brew, tamu, wades and JJJJJJJ.
Given all the losses by top 25 teams. And the parity that we are seeing this year.
Do we want the top 25 teams to keep winning so teams around us/near us are not knocking them off?
Or do we want to keep seeing this wacky upsets daily type season?
It is too early to know. Personally, I always root for chaos.
(https://media.giphy.com/media/Y0gXlJ27YvuCyM1AJq/giphy.gif)
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I guess it depends on aspirations. If you want to hope Marquette can earn a protected seed, cheer for upsets and a Marquette run. If you just want a bid, cheer for the big boys and hope we get to 8-10 in league or better.
Uhhhh, there are some people that would pick option B over option A?
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Uhhhh, there are some people that would pick option B over option A?
I wouldn't, but some here seem to think we're barely a bubble team, so maybe they just want to get in and play the crapshoot game.
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Despite some very shaky free throw shooting down the stretch, NC State just beat Virginia in Chatlottesville.
(Though less of an upset than it might appear)
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Despite some very shaky free throw shooting down the stretch, NC State just beat Virginia in Chatlottesville.
(Though less of an upset than it might appear)
Virginia is just brutal.
Sam looks asleep on the bench most of the time.
Hopefully next year they are much better because he burnt a year to watch arguably the worst offensive power conference team I've ever seen.
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Despite some very shaky free throw shooting down the stretch, NC State just beat Virginia in Chatlottesville.
(Though less of an upset than it might appear)
#FTsNoMatta
44.1% TO 39.0% eFg% ADV to NC St.
PS - the USC game was bonkers statistically.. huge disadv in eFG% and still won
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Oklahoma had a good look from 3 with 3 seconds left to beat Baylor in Waco.....it didn’t fall.
Baylor will survive
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Virginia is just brutal.
Sam looks asleep on the bench most of the time.
Hopefully next year they are much better because he burnt a year to watch arguably the worst offensive power conference team I've ever seen.
how juicy would it be if uva misses the dance this year and next...
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Virginia is just brutal.
Sam looks asleep on the bench most of the time.
Hopefully next year they are much better because he burnt a year to watch arguably the worst offensive power conference team I've ever seen.
I don’t dislike Sam. I’m sure he had his reasons.
BUT having said that. I very much disagree with you.
I hope they are just as bad or worse next year. Sorry Sam. You made your bed, sleep in it.
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I don’t dislike Sam. I’m sure he had his reasons.
BUT having said that. I very much disagree with you.
I hope they are just as bad or worse next year. Sorry Sam. You made your bed, sleep in it.
This.
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Double this.
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Virginia averages 55 points a game.Why would you want to play in that type of offense if the reason you left is you wanted more shots.Diakete is averaging the most shots per game and that is only 10 shots a game.
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I wish no ill will toward Sam, and I hope he gets the pro career he wants.
But if Virginia goes 10-20 or 28-2 next season, it doesn't matter to me.
The Scoopers who love the Hausers (for a few of them, sometimes I think more than they love the Warriors) will use a good showing by Virginia next season to rip Wojo even more and crow about how great their beloved buddies are. And the Scoopers who hate the Hausers (people who need to get over it) will use a bad showing by Virginia next season to rag on Sam and/or his family.
In other words, nothing good will come of any Scoop conversation involving Sam/Virginia and/or Joey/MSU next season. But I know we'll have those conversations, anyway ... because it's what we do.
As for the current seasons ... as good a coach as we all know Tony Bennett is, even he seemingly can't stem the tide of a season that has come nowhere close to fulfilling expectations so far. But when you win a natty (among his other fine accomplishments), you earn a lot of slack, and deservedly so.
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I don’t dislike Sam. I’m sure he had his reasons.
BUT having said that. I very much disagree with you.
I hope they are just as bad or worse next year. Sorry Sam. You made your bed, sleep in it.
I agree. I take the jilted lover side of it, however petty it may sound. I want him to pine away for how good things were at Marquette and how he regretted the transfer.
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I wish Sam well. Easily one of my favorite MU players over my 12 seasons of fandom. He'll do well in his senior season at UVA, though I can't say I give a damn if his team does well or not.
I hope Joey struggles to find minutes at MSU and gets his waiver denied. Whiny baby.
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This may be a bit early in the season but...
Calling on brew, tamu, wades and JJJJJJJ.
Given all the losses by top 25 teams. And the parity that we are seeing this year.
Do we want the top 25 teams to keep winning so teams around us/near us are not knocking them off?
Or do we want to keep seeing this wacky upsets daily type season?
I definitely think chaos is better for MU assuming we can get to .500 or better in BE play. But at the end of the day, we just need to win our games and the rest doesn't matter that much. 8-10 and we're in. 9-9 and we're not worse than a 9 seed. 11-7 and we could find ourselves approaching the 4 seed line. Its going to be that razor thin.
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Virginia averages 55 points a game.Why would you want to play in that type of offense if the reason you left is you wanted more shots.Diakete is averaging the most shots per game and that is only 10 shots a game.
I think it was type of offense, not volume. Emphasis on passing and off-ball movement vs. more NBA-style ball domination. Obviously both styles can be effective (our offensive efficiency has been excellent the past several years, Virginia won the natty last year), seems more like a personal preference thing. Wish he would have stayed, but he did not, and I would not have changed the overall team style to keep 1 player.
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I hope Jamal, Ed, Theo, Chartouney, and Heldt get all the shots the Hausers so desired them to get.
Don’t care how the Hausers do, however. They quit. Not MU’s letter writing problem anymore.
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I wish Sam well. Easily one of my favorite MU players over my 12 seasons of fandom. He'll do well in his senior season at UVA, though I can't say I give a damn if his team does well or not.
I hope Joey struggles to find minutes at MSU and gets his waiver denied. Whiny baby.
This is almost exactly how I feel about all of it, substituting 12 for 40. I know I should be more generous, but I feel how I feel.
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You guys do understand Sam is just being a coaching spy for Wojo and will grad transfer back to MU next year...
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Holy SH*T in Kansas!
https://twitter.com/sftyplus/status/1219803476492017667
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Maryland survives at Northwestern after being down midway through the second. Purdue, on the other hand, doing us no favors.
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Holy SH*T in Kansas!
https://twitter.com/sftyplus/status/1219803476492017667
my God comes a point when someone needs to control themselves
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Holy SH*T in Kansas!
https://twitter.com/sftyplus/status/1219803476492017667
looked like Detroit/ron artest
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just saw the replay-nasty-there could be some dudes going buh bye for awhile...the affect on their season...
then an illini guy purposely steps on a purdue guy on the floor...whats going on?
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just saw the replay-nasty-there could be some dudes going buh bye for awhile...the affect on their season...
then an illini guy purposely steps on a purdue guy on the floor...whats going on?
De Sousa and McCormick will be done for good if Self has any integrity
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Holy SH*T in Kansas!
https://twitter.com/sftyplus/status/1219803476492017667
1 or 2 of those Kansas guys should be done for the year in my opinion. Unbelievably uncalled for.
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point plankn aina
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The block directly before the brawl was pretty awesome though.
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point plankn aina
Haha nice pull
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The block directly before the brawl was pretty awesome though.
‘Twas. Had he not taunted, one wonders if the mayhem would’ve occurred.
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Rutherford lol
Argues every call so that T was a matter of time
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De Sousa and McCormick will be done for good if Self has any integrity
self-integrity?? you know he's up to his short hairs with that "pay to play" shenanigans himself, eyn'a?
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Self will probably give those guys a pay raise, knowing how he operates his program.
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De Sousa and McCormick will be done for good if Self has any integrity
Haha are u kidding? Kansas paid de sousa to be there... integrity?!
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De Sousa and McCormick will be done for good if Self has any integrity
Haha.
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Haha are u kidding? Kansas paid de sousa to be there... integrity?!
100% agree. Self will do nothing. (he's a bad guy, really bad) and the Big XII will give them a slap on the wrist. I don't expect much to come of this embarrassment.
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Self will probably give those guys a pay raise, knowing how he operates his program.
He will claim the suspensions are unjust, that the chair was made of paper, and that his players have special needs that trigger them to react in anger to guys who wear white pants, like red does for bulls in a bullring.
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I’m thinking minimum 10 games, one may get dismissed for the season.
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100% agree. Self will do nothing. (he's a bad guy, really bad) and the Big XII will give them a slap on the wrist. I don't expect much to come of this embarrassment.
Is the big 12 in charge of handing out the suspensions or is it the ncaa?
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For comparison's sake, the longest suspension from the Cinxy-Xavier brawl was 6 games.
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For comparison's sake, the longest suspension from the Cinxy-Xavier brawl was 6 games.
I don’t remember anyone holding a weapon in that one though.
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I don’t remember anyone holding a weapon in that one though.
I also don't remember fans being involved though my memory may be spotty.
Of course Bill Self is involved so maybe they sit out next season's exhibition game
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Has anyone else noted the collapses or “diminished quality” of play or dramatic fall in the rankings by some of the previously high ranked schools? Ohio state, UNC, univ. of Michigan, UVA, Butler, etc...now go back to our epic collapse last year. We all know how ours ended. Ours came at a very tough part of the year and schedule. It remains to be seen how the others fare. But just saying, it happens-some recover, some don’t.
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I’m thinking minimum 10 games, one may get dismissed for the season.
The real question is do the Kansas kids get suspended with or without pay? ;)
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The real question is do the Kansas kids get suspended with or without pay? ;)
I didn't see any Ambulance Chasers.
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Suspensions announced:
Silvio De Sousa – 12 games
David McCormack – 2 games
James Love – 8 games
Antonio Gordon – 3 games
https://big12sports.com/news/2020/1/22/mens-basketball-big-12-announces-basketball-suspensions.aspx
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Suspensions announced:
Silvio De Sousa – 12 games
David McCormack – 2 games
James Love – 8 games
Antonio Gordon – 3 games
https://big12sports.com/news/2020/1/22/mens-basketball-big-12-announces-basketball-suspensions.aspx
Actual seems fair. Losing 12 game checks will hurt De Sousa.
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de sousa should be out the whole season anyway-send him packing or hand out towels or something. i don't think the oakland raiders would want him, well...he doesn't belong in the ncaa
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Conveniently getting de Sousa back for the season finale so he can get back into shape for the Big 12 and NCAA Tournament.
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de sousa should be out the whole season anyway-send him packing or hand out towels or something. i don't think the oakland las vegas raiders would want him, well...he doesn't belong in the ncaa
FIFY - and I truly regret the raiders coming here!
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FIFY - and I truly regret the raiders coming here!
oops-thanks! not to get off topic but why no love for raiders in vegas? the golden knights(hockey) seem to be well accepted...but
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Suspensions announced:
Silvio De Sousa – 12 games
David McCormack – 2 games
James Love – 8 games
Antonio Gordon – 3 games
https://big12sports.com/news/2020/1/22/mens-basketball-big-12-announces-basketball-suspensions.aspx
I feel like there were more than two Jayhawks throwing punches in there.
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For comparison's sake, the longest suspension from the Cinxy-Xavier brawl was 6 games.
For comparison's sake, the longest suspension from the Marquette-South Carolina brawl was 0 games.
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Conveniently getting de Sousa back for the season finale so he can get back into shape for the Big 12 and NCAA Tournament.
The guy plays 8.2 minutes per game. I don't think it'd be all that tough for him to get "in shape" for them, and I don't think he's going to be some giant boost to their rotation. There's a reason he was in a 21 point game with 5 seconds left with the walkons. He's not very good.
They can just hold his paychecks and put them towards next year's five stars that crash the cars they drive around campus that are registered to their deceased grandmothers.
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Not an upset but still notable.
https://twitter.com/jeffborzello/status/1220188716637081601?s=21
I’m,starting to feel sorry for Roy......didn’t think that was possible.
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If Roy lost 200 in a row, it still wouldn't make up for the rampant cheating he did. The worst kind, far worse than $$$ changing hands.
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Rough night for Penny
https://twitter.com/jeffborzello/status/1220194548187586560?s=21
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Not an upset but still notable.
https://twitter.com/jeffborzello/status/1220188716637081601?s=21
I’m,starting to feel sorry for Roy......didn’t think that was possible.
It shouldn't be.
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Not an upset, but really good game and win in Iowa for the Hawkeyes over Rutgers. Looked over when Iowa had a 9-point lead late, then Rutgers put up a 10-0 run. Iowa regrouped, got the lead back, Rutgers had a chance late and missed a no-footer, Iowa escapes.
Lots of talk about Luka Garza for NPOY. Honestly, I don't see how people justify putting him and not Markus in the conversation. 27/28 in the NET, very similar resumes, identical records, and yet somehow Garza is a front-runner and Howard is a dark horse. Baffling.
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Rough night for Penny
https://twitter.com/jeffborzello/status/1220194548187586560?s=21
Woof
Couldn't happen to a nicer program
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Woof
Couldn't happen to a nicer program
Seems like this time it was Tulsa taking it to the house....
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Not an upset, but really good game and win in Iowa for the Hawkeyes over Rutgers. Looked over when Iowa had a 9-point lead late, then Rutgers put up a 10-0 run. Iowa regrouped, got the lead back, Rutgers had a chance late and missed a no-footer, Iowa escapes.
Lots of talk about Luka Garza for NPOY. Honestly, I don't see how people justify putting him and not Markus in the conversation. 27/28 in the NET, very similar resumes, identical records, and yet somehow Garza is a front-runner and Howard is a dark horse. Baffling.
If I recall Rutgers has most back next year, they could be a top 15 team next year.
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oops-thanks! not to get off topic but why no love for raiders in vegas? the golden knights(hockey) seem to be well accepted...but
My wife and I love our VGK! If we didn't travel so much we would be season ticket holders. The Raiders are a different story. Although I want them to do well for our community, I have no love for them because:
1) I'm a Packer fan
2) Up until a couple of years ago the NFL would not accept Super Bowl ads from Las Vegas. LV had gambling and it was evil. Then they realized how much money they could make with a franchise here and everything changed - led by Jerry Jones. To me, the Raiders are Oakland's team. Mark Davis will make huge money by moving his team here. Big money grab in progress!
3) Allegiant Stadium is being built with a judge's quarters and jail cell. Unfortunately,I see some really bad things happening around the stadium.
FWIW - Tom Brady was at the UFC fight last weekend and was seen talking to Raider's owner Mark Davis. Some here are hoping he signs with the Raiders. That would be wild but is probably a long shot. Brady knows Dana White who is a Patriots season box owner.
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My wife and I love our VGK! If we didn't travel so much we would be season ticket holders. The Raiders are a different story. Although I want them to do well for our community, I have no love for them because:
1) I'm a Packer fan
2) Up until a couple of years ago the NFL would not accept Super Bowl ads from Las Vegas. LV had gambling and it was evil. Then they realized how much money they could make with a franchise here and everything changed - led by Jerry Jones. To me, the Raiders are Oakland's team. Mark Davis will make huge money by moving his team here. Big money grab in progress!
3) Allegiant Stadium is being built with a judge's quarters and jail cell. Unfortunately,I see some really bad things happening around the stadium.
New career goal right there
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Not an upset but still notable.
https://twitter.com/jeffborzello/status/1220188716637081601?s=21
I’m,starting to feel sorry for Roy......didn’t think that was possible.
If ever there was a program or coach to kick while they are down...
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Wait ... I think Tulsa just scored another dozen points on Penny.
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MSU falls to Indiana.
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My wife and I love our VGK! If we didn't travel so much we would be season ticket holders. The Raiders are a different story. Although I want them to do well for our community, I have no love for them because:
1) I'm a Packer fan
2) Up until a couple of years ago the NFL would not accept Super Bowl ads from Las Vegas. LV had gambling and it was evil. Then they realized how much money they could make with a franchise here and everything changed - led by Jerry Jones. To me, the Raiders are Oakland's team. Mark Davis will make huge money by moving his team here. Big money grab in progress!
3) Allegiant Stadium is being built with a judge's quarters and jail cell. Unfortunately,I see some really bad things happening around the stadium.
FWIW - Tom Brady was at the UFC fight last weekend and was seen talking to Raider's owner Mark Davis. Some here are hoping he signs with the Raiders. That would be wild but is probably a long shot. Brady knows Dana White who is a Patriots season box owner.
Diamond Jimmy was against gambling for the longest time...until the poto’ s stuck a wad of cash in his back pockets, his wife’s back pockets, his daughters back pockets...hey! What a country eyn’a? This gambling chit ain’t so bad
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My wife and I love our VGK! If we didn't travel so much we would be season ticket holders. The Raiders are a different story. Although I want them to do well for our community, I have no love for them because:
1) I'm a Packer fan
2) Up until a couple of years ago the NFL would not accept Super Bowl ads from Las Vegas. LV had gambling and it was evil. Then they realized how much money they could make with a franchise here and everything changed - led by Jerry Jones. To me, the Raiders are Oakland's team. Mark Davis will make huge money by moving his team here. Big money grab in progress!
3) Allegiant Stadium is being built with a judge's quarters and jail cell. Unfortunately,I see some really bad things happening around the stadium.
FWIW - Tom Brady was at the UFC fight last weekend and was seen talking to Raider's owner Mark Davis. Some here are hoping he signs with the Raiders. That would be wild but is probably a long shot. Brady knows Dana White who is a Patriots season box owner.
The raiders are only one team in the NFL that wants the dollars. As Joe Pesci once said in Casino, "Its all about the f$@king dollars.
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I feel like there were more than two Jayhawks throwing punches in there.
The rest got their salary lowered
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3) Allegiant Stadium is being built with a judge's quarters and jail cell. Unfortunately,I see some really bad things happening around the stadium.
That was rumored and proven to be untrue.
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That was rumored and proven to be untrue.
I believe its true in Phily. Santa is not even safe there.
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I believe its true in Phily. Santa is not even safe there.
They did have a jail and courtroom in Lincoln Financial when it opened, but it's no longer in use.
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Badgers down at the half 33-15 at Purdue.
Made 18 threes in last game against Nebraska......still looking for #1 tonight.
Sometimes you make them......sometimes you don’t
Ps Evan Boudreaux looked like an All American in the first half......🤷♂️
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They just pointed out that Wisconsin shoots 40% from 3 at the Kohl hole, 25% on the road.
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This is perfect ... I get to root for F%cky to lose by 1,000 points, and it won't even hurt us in the NET because we beat the team that's crushing them.
Can't ask for any more than that. (Well, I guess except for us to have beaten F%cky, too. Never easy at Nutsack Grabber Arena.)
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UW now 4-41 at Mackey Arena........
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SMU won at Memphis 74-70. SMU ended the game on a 15-0 run over the final 6 minutes.
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Butler won at home against Marquette.
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UNLV up 2 against SDSU...not real impressed with the aztecs
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Game is on CBSSN for those that might be looking for it.
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Isn't this the time for the Blue Demons to wreck the Halls unbeaten record?
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Isn't this the time for the Blue Demons to wreck the Halls unbeaten record?
No.. also looks like mamu is back
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Badgers up 40-21 on Michigan State.......just like we all suspected.
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Inexcusable. Fire Izzo.
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Badgers up 40-21 on Michigan State.......just like we all suspected.
Is Wisconsin better without Kobe King?
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Is Wisconsin better without Kobe King?
No, but they are without Floppy McNutpuncher
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9 ranked teams lost today.
Some at home.
Some on the road.
Some to other ranked teams.
Some to not great teams.
MU got a W.
Good day for MU.
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9 ranked teams lost today.
Some at home.
Some on the road.
Some to other ranked teams.
Some to not great teams.
MU got a W.
Good day for MU.
College basketball has been absolute chaos this year. Winning games you “should” win has never been more valuable
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UConn women lost at home tonight. Almost never happens.
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UConn women lost at home tonight. Almost never happens.
They didn't lose at home, they got destroyed at home. Largest loss ever in that arena.
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2x in one month... Both to ranked teams... This time the #3 team Oregon...
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They didn't lose at home, they got destroyed at home. Largest loss ever in that arena.
True dat. Fire Geno?
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They didn't lose at home, they got destroyed at home. Largest loss ever in that arena.
Local press before the game were saying the difference between UConn and Oregon is Oregon has Sabrina Ionescu.
It's also a "rebuild" year if the UConn woman have that. The core are Freshman & Sophomores.
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True dat. Fire Geno?
Totally different...Geno loses to ranked teams at home(understandable). MU loses to crap teams at home(and it's not just this year). I'd never say a word about it if they would stop losing to garbage teams on their home floor.
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Penn State goes into East Lansing and steals a win. Winston with big numbers but unable to deliver in the clutch.
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fire izzo
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Unacceptable
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Penn State goes into East Lansing and steals a win. Winston with big numbers but unable to deliver in the clutch.
Rough 48 hours for the Michigan State athletic department.
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Tillman in a shooting slump near the rim the last couple of games. Nice moves, the right shot, rattling out.
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Totally different...Geno loses to ranked teams at home(understandable). MU loses to crap teams at home(and it's not just this year). I'd never say a word about it if they would stop losing to garbage teams on their home floor.
Is it me, or did Butler just lose to the same "crap team" on their home floor? Didn't Seton Hall just lose on their home floor to a crap Xavier team that Wojo beat twice, including by 1,000 points at Fiserv? Same night as those, didn't Nova also lose a "game they should have won" on their home floor?
Fire Wright, fire Willard, fire Jordan.
Fire Izzo, too.
And Cal, and K.
I guarantee you, Marquette won't have a loss all season anywhere near as bad as Evansville at home.
But yeah. Keep looking at the 11-1 home record and see none of the 11 wins. Just the 1 loss. In OT. Which "proves" that the coach you wanted fired is the worst.
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fire izzo
Izzo to MU / veteran assistant
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Is it me, or did Butler just lose to the same "crap team" on their home floor? Didn't Seton Hall just lose on their home floor to a crap Xavier team that Wojo beat twice, including by 1,000 points at Fiserv? Same night as those, didn't Nova also lose a "game they should have won" on their home floor?
Fire Wright, fire Willard, fire Jordan.
Fire Izzo, too.
And Cal, and K.
I guarantee you, Marquette won't have a loss all season anywhere near as bad as Evansville at home.
But yeah. Keep looking at the 11-1 home record and see none of the 11 wins. Just the 1 loss. In OT. Which "proves" that the coach you wanted fired is the worst.
It is remarkable. The team has ONE loss to a team it “should have” beat. ONE. Losses against Maryland, at Creighton, at Bucky and at Hall. ONE “bad” loss. In overtime. The amount of ink spilled by the idiots on this board over a coach who isn’t going anywhere is remarkable.
Only outdone by the absolute morons who booed him. (Acknowledging that there is an intersection between the morons and the idiots).
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It is remarkable. The team has ONE loss to a team it “should have” beat. ONE. Losses against Maryland, at Creighton, at Bucky and at Hall. ONE “bad” loss. In overtime. The amount of ink spilled by the idiots on this board over a coach who isn’t going anywhere is remarkable.
Only outdone by the absolute morons who booed him. (Acknowledging that there is an intersection between the morons and the idiots).
It is just mind blowing how childishly unreasonable the expectations are for some of these guys. Would have beaten prov if it weren't for a bad shooter hitting a wild buzzer beater. Its not like prov is garbage either. Way better than the non con record shows. These clowns set these goofy expectations with themselves then feel justified to complain like there is no tomorrow when the team doesnt meet them. How many teams any given year never lose a home game to a team they "should have beaten" ridiculous
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Rough 48 hours for the Michigan State athletic department.
Maybe it would be different if Joey were eligible.
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Halftime. Purdue 61 Iowa 36
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Halftime. Purdue 61 Iowa 36
Yep......just your typical night in college hoops........ https://twitter.com/jeffborzello/status/1225220436083892224?s=21
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Florida is on a 34-7 run versus Georgia. Once trailed by 22 points.
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Tough 2nd half for TC
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104 points and 19 made 3s for Purdue.......lol
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Purdue 101, Iowa 65???
Has Iowa counted all their points yet?
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Baldwin big 3 against Villanova!
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Purdue 101, Iowa 65???
Has Iowa counted all their points yet?
Purdue has had a very weird season. They’ve obliterated some good teams and have also looked terrible.
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https://twitter.com/statsbystats/status/1225238308462235648?s=21
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Purdue 101, Iowa 65???
Has Iowa counted all their points yet?
Well played.
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Well played.
Politics
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Sure would be nice to see Purdue get on a tear. Won't be easy, though - next 4 at Ind, PSU at home, at OSU, at Madison.
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Sure would be nice to see Purdue get on a tear. Won't be easy, though - next 4 at Ind, PSU at home, at OSU, at Madison.
The good thing about them shellacking Iowa tonight, is that pushes them even closer to a Q1 win for MU. They were at 38 tonight...that victory will probably put them right on the doorstep...but then of course if they do get there at some point, the key is staying there
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The good thing about them shellacking Iowa tonight, is that pushes them even closer to a Q1 win for MU. They were at 38 tonight...that victory will probably put them right on the doorstep...but then of course if they do get there at some point, the key is staying there
Plenty of chances for quality wins in their last 7. None would be "bad" losses. Of course they do have to win some of them.
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Not really a “surprise” per se, but the badgers are getting smacked by 20 late in the game @ Minnesota.
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Vandy is 0-8 in the Sec.....LSU is 8-0
Vandy leading 97-90 with 37 seconds left......
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Not really a “surprise” per se, but the badgers are getting smacked by 20 late in the game @ Minnesota.
It really pisses me off that they have totally lucked out some games this year, or their season would look a whole lot different right now. As it is, people have them safely in the NCAA's. I'm not so sure that's the case. They are only 3 games over .500. What might work in their favor is they have like 4 of their final 6 at home, where...they have gotten some awfully lucky wins this year. Maryland comes right to mind, MSU last week as well. Hopefully Ohio State takes them behind the woodshed on Sunday.
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Vandy is 0-8 in the Sec.....LSU is 8-0
Vandy leading 97-90 with 37 seconds left......
Vanderbilt had set an SEC record with 26 straight conference losses ... until tonight.
Might not be quite as big an upset as Evansville over Kentucky at Lexington ... but a pretty freakin' huge upset!!
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Vandy is 0-8 in the Sec.....LSU is 8-0
Vandy leading 97-90 with 37 seconds left......
And Vandy is a sub .500 team, and had lost 26 (?) straight SEC games.
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It really pisses me off that they have totally lucked out some games this year, or their season would look a whole lot different right now. As it is, people have them safely in the NCAA's. I'm not so sure that's the case. They are only 3 games over .500. What might work in their favor is they have like 4 of their final 6 at home, where...they have gotten some awfully lucky wins this year. Maryland comes right to mind, MSU last week as well. Hopefully Ohi syate takes them behind the woodshed on Sunday.
? Wisconsin has like 6 Q1 wins.
The reason people are saying they are safely in the tourney is because they are.
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? Wisconsin has like 6 Q1 wins.
The reason people are saying they are safely in the tourney is because they are.
If the Baggers go 3-5 to end the season, they would have a 16-15 record. That would be the lowest number of wins, the highest number of losses, and the worst overall record to get an at large bid under the most recent RPI formula from 2005.
4-4 gets them to 17-14 and ties for the lowest number of wins, the highest number of losses, and would also be the worst overall record to get an at large bid since the 2005 changes.
Would their Q1 wins carry enough weight to get them in under those scenarios??
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If the Baggers go 3-5 to end the season, they would have a 16-15 record. That would be the lowest number of wins, the highest number of losses, and the worst overall record to get an at large bid under the most recent RPI formula from 2005.
4-4 gets them to 17-14 and ties for the lowest number of wins, the highest number of losses, and would also be the worst overall record to get an at large bid since the 2005 changes.
Would their Q1 wins carry enough weight to get them in under those scenarios??
2nd scenario, I would say yes. First scenario? It would definitely be breaking new ground but I think it is possible. 11 Big Ten teams are currently projected to make the tournament in the Bracketmatrix with a 12th in the first four out. If KenPom picked the field, 12 Big 10 would get at large bids. They are going to beat each other up and it's going to result in a few teams with really ugly records but really sexy computer numbers. It will be interesting to see how the committee deals with the B1G this season.
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If the Baggers go 3-5 to end the season, they would have a 16-15 record. That would be the lowest number of wins, the highest number of losses, and the worst overall record to get an at large bid under the most recent RPI formula from 2005.
4-4 gets them to 17-14 and ties for the lowest number of wins, the highest number of losses, and would also be the worst overall record to get an at large bid since the 2005 changes.
Would their Q1 wins carry enough weight to get them in under those scenarios??
Unfortunately, yes.
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2nd scenario, I would say yes. First scenario? It would definitely be breaking new ground but I think it is possible. 11 Big Ten teams are currently projected to make the tournament in the Bracketmatrix with a 12th in the first four out. If KenPom picked the field, 12 Big 10 would get at large bids. They are going to beat each other up and it's going to result in a few teams with really ugly records but really sexy computer numbers. It will be interesting to see how the committee deals with the B1G this season.
Agree. It would be unchartered territory, and the results -- and any explanations given on Selection Sunday -- will be fascinating. We will get a look at how much committee members accept NET and such as gospel.
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104 points and 19 made 3s for Purdue.......lol
Even Tommy Luce (i.e., their Rob Frozena) had a couple three pointers. Like most schools, they love their "human victory cigar." You could hear them chanting for him with about 5-6 minutes left in the game.
He's actually a pretty funny guy who has taken a page out of Mark Titus's book and really embraced the role. His Gettin' Loose with Tommy Luce videos are crowd favorites.
Gettin' Loose with Tommy Luce (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WKYJKwEsOC4)
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? Wisconsin has like 6 Q1 wins.
The reason people are saying they are safely in the tourney is because they are.
You sure?? What if their overall record is .500?? OUT Or even a game or two over. Only one team in the history of the NCAA's has made the tourney 2 games or less above .500 and that was a Georgia team that played an unprecedented non conf schedule.
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As it is, people have them safely in the NCAA's. I'm not so sure that's the case. They are only 3 games over .500.
...as it is
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And Vandy is a sub .500 team, and had lost 26 (?) straight SEC games.
Bryce Drew inherited an NCAA team and made NCAA’s, 10 league wins first year, then 6, then 0. Then fired. His two 5 star recruits suffered major injuries (Darius Garland, Simi craptu) and they never recovered. New AD Malcolm Turner fires Drew w/o meeting w/him. Some thought Drew should be given more time, others thought team quit on him.
Turner hires Jerry Stackhouse, NBA assistant, G league head coach, with a rep for player development. First season, Aaron Nesmith, country’s leading 3 point shooter and one of the country’s best scorers, injured and out for season prior to league play. Much improved and Vandy’s front court player Clevon Brown, also got injured during this season and is out for the year. If you watch them play, Stack can coach. He’s learning some other things but he understands player development and x’s and o’s well.
Will Wade had some interesting comments after the game saying some teams in their league are dying on the vine on offense but VU isn’t one of them. They run a lot of good sets, good spacing. Just need more depth, experience, bodies, shooters. Stack is showing he can coach. He will need to show he can recruit at a high level. They did land Myles Stute,
someone MU recruited. But they will need to close for 2021, 2022 players. Nesmith, a Drew recruit had been top 20 mock drafts and is not likely to return. (He does enthusiastically sit on bench for games) David Grace had a good recruiting rep. Needs one more
recruiter on staff.
Oh and by the way, that AD Malcolm Turner, was fired this week. Candice Storey Lee is interim AD. She is popular former VU hooper and 20 year member of their Athletic Dept. First African American female AD in SEC. It’s all quite interesting.
LSU? They can score, have length......but they are well into the 100’s in several defensive categories. They are not a good defensive team.
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Even Tommy Luce (i.e., their Rob Frozena) had a couple three pointers. Like most schools, they love their "human victory cigar." You could hear them chanting for him with about 5-6 minutes left in the game.
He's actually a pretty funny guy who has taken a page out of Mark Titus's book and really embraced the role. His Gettin' Loose with Tommy Luce videos are crowd favorites.
Gettin' Loose with Tommy Luce (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WKYJKwEsOC4)
Thanks. This made my morning.
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Even Tommy Luce (i.e., their Rob Frozena) had a couple three pointers. Like most schools, they love their "human victory cigar." You could hear them chanting for him with about 5-6 minutes left in the game.
He's actually a pretty funny guy who has taken a page out of Mark Titus's book and really embraced the role. His Gettin' Loose with Tommy Luce videos are crowd favorites.
This is great
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During USC-AZ game, Bill Walton just said about USC's defense: "Trojans are all about protection."
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During USC-AZ game, Bill Walton just said about USC's defense: "Trojans are all about protection."
It sounds like he was ribbing them.
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It sounds like he was ribbing them.
He does have a reservoir of good stories.
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It sounds like he was ribbing them.
Does this actually make any semblance of sense as a joke? I get what you're saying but like it doesnt even fit. It's like me saying"hes advocating the team wears rain jackets after the game".
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Does this actually make any semblance of sense as a joke? I get what you're saying but like it doesnt even fit. It's like me saying"hes advocating the team wears rain jackets after the game".
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Of all the things we complain about, when the rubber hits the road, do we really need to stand in condomnation of this?
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Arizona saw, they conquered, they came. I just hope the Trojans put up enough of a barrier.
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Many teams would have simply pulled out. The Trojans stayed in the battle til the end
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The Trojans can really penetrate on offense
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I was expecting Arizona would cream the Trojans
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UNC up 13 over Duke. 8:36 left second
Really enjoying this game.
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UNC fouled up 3 with 4.4s left. Game is now in OT.
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F)&@ck Duke aargh
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F)&@ck Duke aargh
UNC fouled up 3
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Can you believe if WOJO fouled up 3?
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This overtime was unreal. Amazing game.
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I have no words for that game......
Refs helped put Duke but NC had every chance to put that game away.
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Aargh F Duke.
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#23 Arizona gets destroyed at home by 12-11 UCLA. The door is wide open for Marquette to move into the rankings with a win tomorrow.
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Arizona was 16 point favorite per Pomeroy......92% chance of winning.
Down by 15 with a minute left.
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#23 Arizona gets destroyed at home by 12-11 UCLA. The door is wide open for Marquette to move into the rankings with a win tomorrow.
I don't know about wide open. While not perfect, you can usually guess what the top 25 will be using the previous weeks rankings as a starting point and moving teams up and down based on their performance that week. Marquette was the second team out last week with Texas Tech being the team right above them. Texas Tech picked up two wins this week including a Q1 win @Texas so they likely get in before us. #23 Arizona's loss likely drops them and lets the Red Raiders in. Spots #22, 24, and 25 went undefeated this week. It's possible Marquette could leapfrog #25 Houston who only picked up 1 win against a dreadful Tulane squad but some AP voters don't think that way, someone needs to lose for them to move a team down.
#21 Creighton and #20 Illinois both lost this week but both losses were Q1 and had a 340 vote buffer on Marquette last week. Maybe beating Butler at home coupled with those losses is enough to overcome that big of a buffer but you never know. If Marquette wins tomorrow, then #19 Butler will have a Q1 loss but it is offset by a Q1 win against Nova and the 400 vote buffer they had on Marquette last week. Probably the most likely to tumble of the top 25 is #18 LSU who lost twice including a really bad loss to Vanderbilt...though voters may forgive them because they lost at Auburn by 1 in OT, plus they had a 540 vote buffer on MU last week. There is also #16 Michigan State who lost twice but both were Q1 losses.
TLDR: If MU wins, I could see them as high as 20 or as low as top team in the others receiving votes. Let's hope we get a win so we can test the theory.
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MSU has now lost 3 straight, including a home loss to penn state. that's not going to ease the social media pressure on his boys,,,umm, players...well, you know what i mean
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I don't know about wide open. While not perfect, you can usually guess what the top 25 will be using the previous weeks rankings as a starting point and moving teams up and down based on their performance that week. Marquette was the second team out last week with Texas Tech being the team right above them. Texas Tech picked up two wins this week including a Q1 win @Texas so they likely get in before us. #23 Arizona's loss likely drops them and lets the Red Raiders in. Spots #22, 24, and 25 went undefeated this week. It's possible Marquette could leapfrog #25 Houston who only picked up 1 win against a dreadful Tulane squad but some AP voters don't think that way, someone needs to lose for them to move a team down.
#21 Creighton and #20 Illinois both lost this week but both losses were Q1 and had a 340 vote buffer on Marquette last week. Maybe beating Butler at home coupled with those losses is enough to overcome that big of a buffer but you never know. If Marquette wins tomorrow, then #19 Butler will have a Q1 loss but it is offset by a Q1 win against Nova and the 400 vote buffer they had on Marquette last week. Probably the most likely to tumble of the top 25 is #18 LSU who lost twice including a really bad loss to Vanderbilt...though voters may forgive them because they lost at Auburn by 1 in OT, plus they had a 540 vote buffer on MU last week. There is also #16 Michigan State who lost twice but both were Q1 losses.
TLDR: If MU wins, I could see them as high as 20 or as low as top team in the others receiving votes. Let's hope we get a win so we can test the theory.
This didn't account for us blowing out Butler by 19. With our KenPom ranking shooting up to 22, I think we end up comfortably in.
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Pretty impressive for Shaka. After only getting 44 points last time his team played Baylor, they got all the way up to 45 this time. Woo-hoo!
Also, I hear Mrs. Shaka is loving the Austin music scene!!!
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Purdue’s roller coaster season continues......getting blown out at hole tonight to a very good Penn State team.
On a more encouraging note Vandy up 9 at the half against Kentucky.
Ps former MU recruit Seth Lundy has 6 threes for Penn State.
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Purdue has been stellar at home, really surprised by this. Penn State is for real. Wonder if Chambers sticks around there or is wooed by a big program.
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Purdue has been stellar at home, really surprised by this. Penn State is for real. Wonder if Chambers sticks around there or is wooed by a big program.
Would be a bold move to woo a guy whose 1/9. And a whooping 2 games over .500 with the school youre poaching him from.
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Kentucky woke up......now up 5 with4 minutes to go.
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Kentucky woke up......now up 5 with4 minutes to go.
Vandy 7 for 15 from FT line have hurt them. Have played well. Kentucky has had a strong 2nd half. Vandy has competed well without two of their best players, especially since admin changes.
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Mississippi State, a 2.5 point road favorite at Ole Miss, just got beat by 25 in Oxford.
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Mississippi State, a 2.5 point road favorite at Ole Miss, just got beat by 25 in Oxford.
Wow. Last I checked flipping around. It was a 10 point game with 7 minutes left.
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Purdue has been stellar at home, really surprised by this. Penn State is for real. Wonder if Chambers sticks around there or is wooed by a big program.
Well, he is one of the great ones!
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Wow. Last I checked flipping around. It was a 10 point game with 7 minutes left.
They were up 13 in the first half and absolutely imploded
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Michigan State lost a 20 point 2nd half lead but survives on a follow up dunk by Tillman with 6 seconds left to win by 1.
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Mississippi State, a 2.5 point road favorite at Ole Miss, just got beat by 25 in Oxford.
Look that one up again, Pak. Hard to believe that the great Ben Howland lost that game.
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Not an upset but interesting. Virgina beat Notre Dame (sucks) by 1 in OT. The interesting part is that Virginia only scored 3 points in OT, all on free throws. Has there ever been an OT before where a team won without making a FG or an OT where the teams scored a combined 5 points or less?
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Not an upset but interesting. Virgina beat Notre Dame (sucks) by 1 in OT. The interesting part is that Virginia only scored 3 points in OT, all on free throws. Has there ever been an OT before where a team won without making a FG or an OT where the teams scored a combined 5 points or less?
I think I saw on SportsCenter last night that Virginia only made one basket in the last 12 minutes or so of regulation and OT ... and still won. That must have been a real thrilling game for any non-Virginia fan to watch. Always great knowing ND lost, though.
Meanwhile, in other ACC news ...
UNC didn't just lose again, they were blown out by a terrible Wake Forest team that hadn't beaten Carolina in 6 years.
Cole Anthony played, so that excuse was gone, and afterward he said UNC didn't compete and got outworked.
“I can name a number of times where they just bullied us in the paint, got offensive rebounds,” I saw it with my own eyes. It happened to me. We’ve got to want it more.”
If Marquette had lost to a terrible team by 17 points to fall to 10-14 overall and into last place in the conference -- especially if we had been ranked in the top-5 going into the season -- and had our top player criticized the team publicly for not competing, I wonder who would be getting blamed.
Yes, I know I know, ol' Cheatin' Roy deserves a lot of slack because he has delivered big for years. Still, I wonder ...
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If Marquette had lost to a terrible team by 17 points to fall to 10-14 overall and into last place in the conference -- especially if we had been ranked in the top-5 going into the season -- and had our top player criticized the team publicly for not competing, I wonder who would be getting blamed.
Yes, I know I know, ol' Cheatin' Roy deserves a lot of slack because he has delivered big for years. Still, I wonder ...
I'd not be happy with Roy for letting it happen and would blame him. At the same time, based on his track record, I'd have the utmost confidence that this season is just a bump in the road and that he'd turn it around in future seasons. If I wanted him fired, it would be for the bogus classes, not this season.
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I think I saw on SportsCenter last night that Virginia only made one basket in the last 12 minutes or so of regulation and OT ... and still won. That must have been a real thrilling game for any non-Virginia fan to watch. Always great knowing ND lost, though.
Meanwhile, in other ACC news ...
UNC didn't just lose again, they were blown out by a terrible Wake Forest team that hadn't beaten Carolina in 6 years.
Cole Anthony played, so that excuse was gone, and afterward he said UNC didn't compete and got outworked.
“I can name a number of times where they just bullied us in the paint, got offensive rebounds,” I saw it with my own eyes. It happened to me. We’ve got to want it more.”
If Marquette had lost to a terrible team by 17 points to fall to 10-14 overall and into last place in the conference -- especially if we had been ranked in the top-5 going into the season -- and had our top player criticized the team publicly for not competing, I wonder who would be getting blamed.
Yes, I know I know, ol' Cheatin' Roy deserves a lot of slack because he has delivered big for years. Still, I wonder ...
Wake Forest could be a Wojo destination....sadly.
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Wake Forest could be a Wojo destination....sadly.
Wake is a lesser program, with less tradition and less support. It pays its coaches less and is overshadowed by three bigger and better programs nearby.
Unless he's really unhappy at Marquette, Wojo ain't bailing for Wake Forest.
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I'd not be happy with Roy for letting it happen and would blame him. At the same time, based on his track record, I'd have the utmost confidence that this season is just a bump in the road and that he'd turn it around in future seasons. If I wanted him fired, it would be for the bogus classes, not this season.
All fair, CTW.
Wake is a lesser program, with less tradition and less support. It pays its coaches less and is overshadowed by three bigger and better programs nearby.
Unless he's really unhappy at Marquette, Wojo ain't bailing for Wake Forest.
That's my feeling, too, Pak.
But maybe Wake's honchos and boosters feel they want to step up, pay more, and compete. They do have a relatively new basketball facility IIRC.
Dave Odom was 240-132 at Wake from 1989-2001. His team finished in 4th place or better 8 times in 12 seasons, including one ACC title and two runner-up finishes. Made postseason his last 11 years, including 8 NCAAs. One Elite 8, two Sweet 16s, one NIT title. His best stretch there was similar to Buzz's time at Marquette.
No, they were not UNC or Duke, but they were relevant. You had to play well to beat them.
So it wouldn't seem super-duper crazy for Wake Forest fans, alums and administrators to believe they could be relevant again if they hire the "right coach." Whether they actually could be relevant again, whether Wojo would be "right" for them, and whether Wojo would want a return to the ACC (or exit from MU) badly enough to go for Wake's job ... who knows?
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All fair, CTW.
That's my feeling, too, Pak.
But maybe Wake's honchos and boosters feel they want to step up, pay more, and compete. They do have a relatively new basketball facility IIRC.
Dave Odom was 240-132 at Wake from 1989-2001. His team finished in 4th place or better 8 times in 12 seasons, including one ACC title and two runner-up finishes. Made postseason his last 11 years, including 8 NCAAs. One Elite 8, two Sweet 16s, one NIT title. His best stretch there was similar to Buzz's time at Marquette.
No, they were not UNC or Duke, but they were relevant. You had to play well to beat them.
So it wouldn't seem super-duper crazy for Wake Forest fans, alums and administrators to believe they could be relevant again if they hire the "right coach." Whether they actually could be relevant again, whether Wojo would be "right" for them, and whether Wojo would want a return to the ACC (or exit from MU) badly enough to go for Wake's job ... who knows?
To be fair his best years had a player of equal standing on basketballs mt Rushmore as Wade.
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Wake Forest could be a Wojo destination....sadly.
Then we hired the wrong guy - if he bolts after one season of potential NCAA success. I suspect Wojo wouldn't do very well at Wake.
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Then we hired the wrong guy - if he bolts after one season of potential NCAA success. I suspect Wojo wouldn't do very well at Wake.
Or our fans started booing and ran off the guy who would've been willing to stick.
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Wake Forest could be a Wojo destination....sadly.
How dumb!!!
Go to Wake and 4 years later get fired still in his 40’s with a mid major as his probable only job after that. Chicos i understand ur only outlet in life is to be a complete moron on message boards, but please keep it within reason
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So it wouldn't seem super-duper crazy for Wake Forest fans, alums and administrators to believe they could be relevant again if they hire the "right coach." Whether they actually could be relevant again, whether Wojo would be "right" for them, and whether Wojo would want a return to the ACC (or exit from MU) badly enough to go for Wake's job ... who knows?
this is all true ... but if you're a group of super crazy fans, alums and administrators ready to spend big to hire the "right coach" and make the program relevant again, is Wojo really your guy?
I'm certainly not in the Nojo clique, but his resume at Marquette isn't one that screams "this guy can go toe-to-toe with Duke and UNC." I would think that a program looking to make a splashy hire would have several names on its list ahead of Wojo.
Regardless, I suspect Wojo knows he has it good at Marquette.
He gets a ton of university support (financial and otherwise); he has by all accounts a good relationship with the administration; he's well paid; he'll have a decent roster returning and excellent recruiting class coming in to supplement it; and the expectations - for the most part - are reasonable.
There's very little incentive for him to leave for a difficult rebuilding project.
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Or our fans started booing and ran off the guy who would've been willing to stick.
Then we hired the wrong guy - too thin skinned to handle the criticism from a small faction of fans at games. Hell, I'm a big NoJo, and I never felt compelled to boo him at any of the games I've attended.
Wojo needs to accept the fact that he's ultimately performed on par with Mike Deane through 5 seasons (recruiting aside.) The last two guys accomplished a lot more in their first 5 years. It's not as though it is crazy for MU fans to have expected more.
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Then we hired the wrong guy - too thin skinned to handle the criticism from a small faction of fans at games. Hell, I'm a big NoJo, and I never felt compelled to boo him at any of the games I've attended.
Wojo needs to accept the fact that he's ultimately performed on par with Mike Deane through 5 seasons (recruiting aside.) The last two guys accomplished a lot more in their first 5 years. It's not as though it is crazy for MU fans to have expected more.
Stop with this nonsense, please.
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Then we hired the wrong guy - too thin skinned to handle the criticism from a small faction of fans at games. Hell, I'm a big NoJo, and I never felt compelled to boo him at any of the games I've attended.
Wojo needs to accept the fact that he's ultimately performed on par with Mike Deane through 5 seasons (recruiting aside.) The last two guys accomplished a lot more in their first 5 years. It's not as though it is crazy for MU fans to have expected more.
Not going to engage with you on your last two sentences. But criticism is different than booing. Booing is shown to recruits visiting games, heard on tv, etc. criticism is during his review with the AD, heard by big donors and fans at luncheons.
He has also done better than Deane. This has been proven time and time again, be as anti Wojo as you wish but use legitimate points.
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Stop with this nonsense, please.
When one has lost all debates, one settles for making strawman arguments, false equivalences, and non sequiturs. Ners' insistence on doing this kind of stuff over and over and over (and over) again is what gets him banned. Even the mods get tired of it, and he has to go.
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Wake Forest could be a Wojo destination....sadly.
Lol wat? He ain't going to Wake Forest to start over.
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this is all true ... but if you're a group of super crazy fans, alums and administrators ready to spend big to hire the "right coach" and make the program relevant again, is Wojo really your guy?
I'm certainly not in the Nojo clique, but his resume at Marquette isn't one that screams "this guy can go toe-to-toe with Duke and UNC." I would think that a program looking to make a splashy hire would have several names on its list ahead of Wojo.
Regardless, I suspect Wojo knows he has it good at Marquette.
He gets a ton of university support (financial and otherwise); he has by all accounts a good relationship with the administration; he's well paid; he'll have a decent roster returning and excellent recruiting class coming in to supplement it; and the expectations - for the most part - are reasonable.
There's very little incentive for him to leave for a difficult rebuilding project.
I would agree with this. I was mostly devil's advocating.
Just as I thought Crean would never leave for Illinois because it wouldn't have been a career advancement, I agree that there likely would be little incentive for Wojo to go to Wake Forest.
Of course, crazy shyte does happen when one's "happy" gets messed with ...
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Shaka just lost 81-52 to an Iowa State team without lottery pick Tyrese Halliburton ......
Texas Tech lost to OK State.
LSU getting beat by 14 at Alabama.
And #5 Louisville down 15 in 2nd half to Clemson....
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I didn't really know where to put this but did anyone else miss this from a couple seasons ago? Was wondering why no C-USA teams had any games left on the schedule after today with 3 weeks until the start of the conference tournament.
https://conferenceusa.com/news/2018/5/29/general-mbb-c-usa-rolls-out-innovative-schedule.aspx
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Dodged a bullet with the whole Shaka thing huh?
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I didn't really know where to put this but did anyone else miss this from a couple seasons ago? Was wondering why no C-USA teams had any games left on the schedule after today with 3 weeks until the start of the conference tournament.
https://conferenceusa.com/news/2018/5/29/general-mbb-c-usa-rolls-out-innovative-schedule.aspx
As someone who follows college basketball closely, I admittedly had no idea.
“This new scheduling plan uniquely combines the goals of Conference USA leaders and supporters. It combines a traditional schedule with an exciting end-of-season format that will surely catch the attention of college basketball fans and the NCAA Tournament selection committee.”
That conference has really gone down hill. Talk about an island of misfit toys.
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Georgetown won at Butler. Georgetown with a depleted roster has been surprisingly good lately. I am impressed with how Ewing is coaching this team.
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As someone who follows college basketball closely, I admittedly had no idea.
“This new scheduling plan uniquely combines the goals of Conference USA leaders and supporters. It combines a traditional schedule with an exciting end-of-season format that will surely catch the attention of college basketball fans and the NCAA Tournament selection committee.”
That conference has really gone down hill. Talk about an island of misfit toys.
It’s sad, too, because there are some schools that could be good college basketball schools in that league. Chasing football dollars...
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Then we hired the wrong guy - if he bolts after one season of potential NCAA success. I suspect Wojo wouldn't do very well at Wake.
My point is getting away from our amazing fans.....but Kevin O’Neill did it and people here want to larger themselves in his actions.
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Lol wat? He ain't going to Wake Forest to start over.
Isn’t that was buzzard did?
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I didn't really know where to put this but did anyone else miss this from a couple seasons ago? Was wondering why no C-USA teams had any games left on the schedule after today with 3 weeks until the start of the conference tournament.
https://conferenceusa.com/news/2018/5/29/general-mbb-c-usa-rolls-out-innovative-schedule.aspx
Yes, it was talked about here previously.
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Isn’t that was buzzard did?
Wojo isn’t Buzz. I can see Wojo leaving but Wake isn’t it.
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Wojo isn’t Buzz. I can see Wojo leaving but Wake isn’t it.
Probably not....Maryland more likely....but the point was coaches have left here for worse situations.
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Buzz and the administration were at odds......so he left.
Wojo isn’t at odds with the administration.
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Probably not....Maryland more likely....but the point was coaches have left here for worse situations.
It’ll be a curious off-season. Plenty of jobs in the ACC could be open. He’ll get looks
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Isn’t that was buzzard did?
And Crean for that dumpster fire in Bloomington.
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Good weekend for upsets. Marquette really should drop at all.
Illinois @ 23 lost possibly twice losing at Rutgers
LSU @ 25 lost.
Butler @ 19 lost
Virginia @ 14 lost twice
Texas Tech @ 23 lost
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You mean West Virginia........
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Dodged a bullet with the whole Shaka thing huh?
It would appear so.
Highest Texas finish in conference was 4th place his first year, when he still had Barnes' players. Second-division every year since.
Last place at 11-22 in Year 2 ... that would have gone over real well for Scoopers! Second-division finish in Year 3 despite having a highly acclaimed recruiting class that included the No. 2 prospect. No NCAA tourney in Year 4.
And now in Year 5, he's 14-11, headed for an even lower finish. Still no NCAA wins.
He obviously can't hack it at the highest level of college hoops. Mrs. Shaka did us a favor.
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I don't get it. Is this program the ultimate stepping stone? Like you make a run in the tourney than off to a p5? Any p5? Is wake forest perceived as a significantly better job than here? Idk why a coach wouldn't want to stay here. Great facilities. Pour tons of cash into basketball. Basketball first. New NBA arena. Top attendance when were good. I mean wth lol. Wake forest? Pfff
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Alabama tried their best choke away an 18 point lead but hung on to win.
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I don't get it. Is this program the ultimate stepping stone? Like you make a run in the tourney than off to a p5? Any p5? Is wake forest perceived as a significantly better job than here? Idk why a coach wouldn't want to stay here. Great facilities. Pour tons of cash into basketball. Basketball first. New NBA arena. Top attendance when were good. I mean wth lol. Wake forest? Pfff
Did somebody actually say Wojo was WF bound? All it's been is fan-site speculation that if Wojo finishes well and if (when) Manning gets fired, Wojo might feel a little unappreciated at Marquette and might want to get back in the ACC. I'd be surprised if he left Marquette for Wake Forest, but I wouldn't be stunned beyond all belief.
But yes, until somebody proves differently, it is a stepping-stone job, as proven by the fact that our last three successful coaches all bolted for what they felt were greener pastures. It's been the very definition of a stepping-stone job, unfortunately.
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I don't get it. Is this program the ultimate stepping stone? Like you make a run in the tourney than off to a p5? Any p5? Is wake forest perceived as a significantly better job than here? Idk why a coach wouldn't want to stay here. Great facilities. Pour tons of cash into basketball. Basketball first. New NBA arena. Top attendance when were good. I mean wth lol. Wake forest? Pfff
It is hard to say how much football matters to basketball recruits. However, I imagine there are some recruits that will never consider MU, because they do not have a football team.
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Did somebody actually say Wojo was WF bound? All it's been is fan-site speculation that if Wojo finishes well and if (when) Manning gets fired, Wojo might feel a little unappreciated at Marquette and might want to get back in the ACC. I'd be surprised if he left Marquette for Wake Forest, but I wouldn't be stunned beyond all belief.
But yes, until somebody proves differently, it is a stepping-stone job, as proven by the fact that our last three successful coaches all bolted for what they felt were greener pastures. It's been the very definition of a stepping-stone job, unfortunately.
Yeah just venting a bit. Sucks. Guess its come here and be given excellent tools to create some consistent success then off to a "real job" like virginia tech or texas am. Wonderful
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I believe there will be a coach at MU that completely understands what MU is and offers. Coaches have left here and regretted their decision.
Wojo has said he has felt like a fish out of water in the Midwest. I hope he doesn’t feel that way anymore.
If Wojo did leave, I hope Stan gets an interview. Well respected.
I think Stan only sticks around for another year as an assistant.
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And Crean for that dumpster fire in Bloomington.
Yup.
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Did somebody actually say Wojo was WF bound? All it's been is fan-site speculation that if Wojo finishes well and if (when) Manning gets fired, Wojo might feel a little unappreciated at Marquette and might want to get back in the ACC. I'd be surprised if he left Marquette for Wake Forest, but I wouldn't be stunned beyond all belief.
But yes, until somebody proves differently, it is a stepping-stone job, as proven by the fact that our last three successful coaches all bolted for what they felt were greener pastures. It's been the very definition of a stepping-stone job, unfortunately.
i think it might take a little more than that-he's got some good guys coming in to join a pretty decent returning cast-would wojo throw away a chnce to do something pretty special here to start over in a pretty tough conference where a dude named danny manning had trouble recruiting
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i don't think this is an upset, but what the...has happened to MSU?? their scoop has got to be blowin up check their dorm windows, eyn'a?
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Cassius is distracted, no reliable third scoring option.
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Georgetown won at Butler. Georgetown with a depleted roster has been surprisingly good lately. I am impressed with how Ewing is coaching this team.
LaVall Jordan fouling down 9 with 10 seconds to go. Dude just can't accept losing. Classless coach. Georgetown in mid-February isn't an elimination game.
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Hilarious msu board if any one is bored
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Cassius is distracted, no reliable third scoring option.
No wonder he wanted Joey to play
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Hilarious msu board if any one is bored
Looking for their board? Where? Thanks, it’s a lonely Saturday night
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No wonder he wanted Joey to play
3rd scoring option? He didn’t go to MSU to be 3rd in line man. Give him the rock and get outta the way ;)
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No wonder he wanted Joey to play
Always wondered what the huge secret “compelling case for immediate eligibility” was that Izzo was referring to. Seemed like a pretty standard transfer to me.
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Hook Em
https://mobile.twitter.com/JeffHowe247/status/1230292851172499457
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....I wonder if 82 will comment on this?
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Lots to pick from tonight:
Sub .500 Georgia knocks off #13 Auburn by double digits
Sub 150 KenPom Texas A&M beats NCAA hopeful Alabama at their place (gig 'em)
Sub 125 KenPom UCF beats bubble team Cincinnati in Cincy
Sub 200 KenPom Tulane up double digits against bubbly SMU in the final minutes
Future #1 seed Duke down 15 at half to NIT hopeful NC State (obviously a lot of game left in this one)
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Duke will be a 2.
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Duke will be a 2.
You are correct. They still lost by 22 to a team previously praying to make the NIT.
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....I wonder if 82 will comment on this?
I don't know why anybody should be concerned about this. After all, announced attendance was 8,395 ... and that's more than half the capacity at the 16,540-seat Frank Erwin Center!
Yep, they sure do have Shaka Fever in Austin!!!
During his 5 years, average attendance has been 10,714 -- but it was only 8,650 last year, when they missed the tournament.
Texas is not basketball country, but average attendance was 11,717 during 17 seasons under Smart's predecessor, Rick Barnes. During a 6-year stretch from 2005-11, when the team regularly contended for Big 12 titles and twice reached the Elite 8, average attendance was 13,620. One reason Barnes had to go was that attendance had been falling in his later years.
UT is building a new on-campus arena to open for the 2021-22 season. Although its capacity will be 17K for things like concerts, they will close off the upper level for every basketball game to create an "intimate" 10K-seat basketball arena.
Apparently, they are acknowledging that even Mrs. Shaka can't get butts in the seats of UT basketball games.
Aren't you glad you asked?
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Final - UNLV 66 @ #4 SDSU 63
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Final - UNLV 66 @ #4 SDSU 63
Could TJO be our unicorn?
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the zags down by 11 with 1:30 to go at BYU
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#1, 2, and 4 lose within 12 hours of each other.
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I don't know why anybody should be concerned about this. After all, announced attendance was 8,395 ... and that's more than half the capacity at the 16,540-seat Frank Erwin Center!
Yep, they sure do have Shaka Fever in Austin!!!
During his 5 years, average attendance has been 10,714 -- but it was only 8,650 last year, when they missed the tournament.
Texas is not basketball country, but average attendance was 11,717 during 17 seasons under Smart's predecessor, Rick Barnes. During a 6-year stretch from 2005-11, when the team regularly contended for Big 12 titles and twice reached the Elite 8, average attendance was 13,620. One reason Barnes had to go was that attendance had been falling in his later years.
UT is building a new on-campus arena to open for the 2021-22 season. Although its capacity will be 17K for things like concerts, they will close off the upper level for every basketball game to create an "intimate" 10K-seat basketball arena.
Apparently, they are acknowledging that even Mrs. Shaka can't get butts in the seats of UT basketball games.
Aren't you glad you asked?
Yes....your obsession with shaka is still very impressive after all these years.
I thought it was strange two years ago, when you would bring up UT’s losses...on MU’s board...but I now think you will just continue to comment on Shaka wherever he ends his career. Whatever makes you happy I guess.
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The end of the Georgia - Vanderbilt game...Scottie Pippen's kid is fouled with Vanderbilt up two so he shoots two free throws to ice it with 5 seconds left. Misses both, Georgia runs down to hit a long 3 to win it. Pippen's kid is averaging 11points a game as a freshman...pretty solid freshman campaign.
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#1, 2, and 4 lose within 12 hours of each other.
Regular season games are meaningless - total crap shoot!
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Texas has WVU on the ropes with 3 minutes left. With a loss, WVU would fall to 7-8 in the Big 12. They also have a non conference loss @ SJU. They have one win over a top 60 team in conference, a home win over Texas Tech.
They are, somehow, 7th in Kenpom. Strong non conference with wins over N Iowa, RI, Ohio State, and Wichita State.
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huggy seems to be so much better since they implanted that AED under that massive sweatshirt
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Could TJO be our unicorn?
Ohhhh...I’m not a Wojo basher but this I could get behind.
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Could TJO be our unicorn?
Maybe....but let's see what he does with his recruits in a few years. Definitely an up and coming coach.
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Maybe....but let's see what he does with his recruits in a few years. Definitely an up and coming coach.
i'm surprised UNLV is the best he could do with his background- 3 post season appearance in 3 years at dakota state? that's like canada south. what's the draw there? come to s dakota state cuz we're not n. dakota? hockey is huge, but their cheerleaders are packer rejects for chriminey sakes
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i'm surprised UNLV is the best he could do with his background- 3 post season appearance in 3 years at dakota state? that's like canada south. what's the draw there? come to s dakota state cuz we're not n. dakota? hockey is huge, but their cheerleaders are packer rejects for chriminey sakes
SDSU has been pretty good for a bit. They won 19 or more games every year since 2011....won 24+ a few times before TJ got there.
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Maybe....but let's see what he does with his recruits in a few years. Definitely an up and coming coach.
Why? We could just look what he did with our (MU) recruits at ISU.
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Why? We could just look what he did with our (MU) recruits at ISU.
He did that...should we look at what Wojo did as an assistant with Duke players then...to compare apples to apples in your comparison? :D
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Maybe....but let's see what he does with his recruits in a few years. Definitely an up and coming coach.
It’s not like he has a bunch of studs leftover. Both Rice and Menzies were mediocre over the last 4-5 years.
i'm surprised UNLV is the best he could do with his background- 3 post season appearance in 3 years at dakota state? that's like canada south. what's the draw there? come to s dakota state cuz we're not n. dakota? hockey is huge, but their cheerleaders are packer rejects for chriminey sakes
I think it’s just viewed as too low level for a jump to high major gigs. His predecessor there, Scott Nagy, brought them up from D2 after a successful run at that level, transitioned them and rebuilt them into a team that won 3 conference titles and 3 NCAA appearances and an NIT in his last 5 years, all by only his late 40s, and that got him a job at....Wright State. So honestly, a jump to UNLV is actually pretty nice for TJ, likely aided by his age.
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He did that...should we look at what Wojo did as an assistant with Duke players then...to compare apples to apples in your comparison? :D
Or we could look at TJO's head coaching record at a low Major in conference or making the Crapshoot (66%).
It's simple Cheeken Little: Wojo wins out, he is gold. I believe he will do it. But, end of the day, Wojo needs to learn to win in the conference where he is mediocre (sub 500). TJO has figured that out.
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Or we could look at TJO's head coaching record at a low Major in conference or making the Crapshoot (66%).
It's simple Cheeken Little: Wojo wins out, he is gold. I believe he will do it. But, end of the day, Wojo needs to learn to win in the conference where he is mediocre (sub 500). TJO has figured that out.
Low major...hmm....They've made the NCAA tournament 2012, 2013, 2016. NIT 2015. This is a good program even before TJ got there. TJ got to take over a NCAA tournament team....I wish Wojo had but Buzz left him crap. Now, that said, I like TJ a lot. So I'm not why you are piling on. If he comes up in the mix down the road, great. Right now I'd like him to continue to prove it out with his guys. At SDSU he took a NCAA team and kept it going for two years with a mix of his guys and the previous. In his last year, almost all his guys they were a NIT team....Western Illinois bit them in their league tournament...a team SDSU beat only a weak earlier by 20 and a month earlier than that by 42....but they lost to the Leathernecks in the Summit League tourney. I can only imagine the warm reception for Wojo going into a conference tournament as the #1 seed and losing to a 4-12 team that you drilled twice in the regular season. Let me ask, what would the reception have been.......?
We'll see how things play out with him, but I do like him and the fact he is a Wisconsin guy. Let's see how he recruits at UNLV and how they end up performing in the next few years.
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Let me ask, what would the reception have been.......?
Crapshoot, hey? Just like TB.
Back to MU: Throw out out Year 1 and Wojo is .500 except with the Hausers in conference. Just.Win.Out in 2020 and all is good for (y)our boy. It’s that simple.
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Low major...hmm....They've made the NCAA tournament 2012, 2013, 2016. NIT 2015. This is a good program even before TJ got there. TJ got to take over a NCAA tournament team....
So, 23/32 per KPom makes the Summit a high major? Mid? Really? Even your doppelgänger Billy won’t join you on your Scotch Island, Cheeken Little.
https://kenpom.com/conf.php?c=Sum&y=2019
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So, 23/32 per KPom makes the Summit a high major? Mid? Really? Even your doppelgänger Billy won’t join you on your Scotch Island, Cheeken Little.
https://kenpom.com/conf.php?c=Sum&y=2019
SDSU has been considered a mid major since at least 2012
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/1007985-south-dakota-state-mens-basketball-the-mid-major-nobody-is-respecting?share=other
You said low major. If you will recall a conference does not classify a program...a program does. For the same reason Gonzaga was considered a mid major for years even when the WCC was ranked 16th to 20th.
Currently ranked in the Mid Major top 25. Not the low major top 25 https://www.collegeinsider.com/mens-mid-major-top-25.php
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Crapshoot, hey? Just like TB.
Back to MU: Throw out out Year 1 and Wojo is .500 except with the Hausers in conference. Just.Win.Out in 2020 and all is good for (y)our boy. It’s that simple.
Would argue even 3-1 and all is good.
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Would argue even 3-1 and all is good.
3-1 hits my optimistic "what happens after quitters quit" guess for conference play.
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If TJO puts out a feeler... pole ax time.
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Would argue even 3-1 and all is good.
We should expect to beat depleted St Johns in Year 1 of Anderson regime, or depleted Georgetown in Year 3 of Ewing, and 1-11 DePaul.
3-1 is minimum acceptable. Go 2-2, and we are 9-9 in Wojo Year 6, with the program’s All-time leading scorer on the roster, and a 5th year program guy - Sacar, 22.5 year old Bailey, redshirt junior Koby McEwen?
Then again, we should be grateful Wojo is willing to accept our $2M and coach in the sh$thole that is Fiserv Forum and city of Milwaukee.
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If TJO puts out a feeler... pole ax time.
Why? What has TJO accomplished that guarantees (or even suggests) long-term success at a P6 school, success that of course would have to include multiple deep NCAA tournament runs?
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We should expect to beat depleted St Johns in Year 1 of Anderson regime, or depleted Georgetown in Year 3 of Ewing, and 1-11 DePaul.
3-1 is minimum acceptable. Go 2-2, and we are 9-9 in Wojo Year 6, with the program’s All-time leading scorer on the roster, and a 5th year program guy - Sacar, 22.5 year old Bailey, redshirt junior Koby McEwen?
Then again, we should be grateful Wojo is willing to accept our $2M and coach in the sh$thole that is Fiserv Forum and city of Milwaukee.
If Wojo is gone after this season, for whatever reason it may be, who do you want to fill the position?
Are you one of the meat eating lovers who thinks the list starts and ends with Bennett, Sampson, and Beard?
Who do you think is a realistic option to replace Wojo if he is gone?
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We should expect to beat depleted St Johns in Year 1 of Anderson regime, or depleted Georgetown in Year 3 of Ewing, and 1-11 DePaul.
3-1 is minimum acceptable. Go 2-2, and we are 9-9 in Wojo Year 6, with the program’s All-time leading scorer on the roster, and a 5th year program guy - Sacar, 22.5 year old Bailey, redshirt junior Koby McEwen?
The last four games are as favorable a schedule as any team in the league is going to have. Georgetown, DePaul and St. Johns are all limping to the finish. And, that road game against DePaul will be in a half full (likely even less) Wintrust Arena. A 3-1 finish or better should absolutely be the expectation.
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If Wojo is gone after this season, for whatever reason it may be, who do you want to fill the position?
Are you one of the meat eating lovers who thinks the list starts and ends with Bennett, Sampson, and Beard?
Who do you think is a realistic option to replace Wojo if he is gone?
Niko Medved and TJ Otzenberger would be near the top of my realistic candidates list. But Wojo will be back next year.
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The last four games are as favorable a schedule as any team in the league is going to have. Georgetown, DePaul and St. Johns are all limping to the finish. And, that road game against DePaul will be in a half full (likely even less) Wintrust Arena. A 3-1 finish or better should absolutely be the expectation.
Butler finishes with DePaul and St John’s at home and XU on the road. We still have to play two on the road and the first place team. Seton Hall has the toughest remaining schedule.
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We should expect to beat depleted St Johns in Year 1 of Anderson regime, or depleted Georgetown in Year 3 of Ewing, and 1-11 DePaul.
3-1 is minimum acceptable. Go 2-2, and we are 9-9 in Wojo Year 6, with the program’s All-time leading scorer on the roster, and a 5th year program guy - Sacar, 22.5 year old Bailey, redshirt junior Koby McEwen?
Then again, we should be grateful Wojo is willing to accept our $2M and coach in the sh$thole that is Fiserv Forum and city of Milwaukee.
5-0 or bust. I'll bet my dunking* skills on it
*edit: my ability to eat dunkaroos by the thousands
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Niko Medved and TJ Otzenberger would be near the top of my realistic candidates list. But Wojo will be back next year.
If Wojo leaves TJ with the Big East version of what Mike Daum was to the Summit League, I'd be all for it. I'd hold off for a year or two to see how he does at UNLV without having been left what would've been a very good high major player left for him in a low major league.
But that's kind of the point. Otzenberger is probably the most proven coach out there who would be a realistic replacement for Wojo this offseason. And, in my opinion, he's far from a sure thing to be a great high major coach.
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If Wojo leaves TJ with the Big East version of what Mike Daum was to the Summit League, I'd be all for it. I'd hold off for a year or two to see how he does at UNLV without having been left what would've been a very good high major player left for him in a low major league.
But that's kind of the point. Otzenberger is probably the most proven coach out there who would be a realistic replacement for Wojo this offseason. And, in my opinion, he's far from a sure thing to be a great high major coach.
Perfectly stated, wades.
I am not "against" Otzenberger in any way. He might turn out to be the next Jay Wright. But he has proven bupkis so far. Time will tell ... and that's fine, because Wojo probably ain't goin' anywhere anytime soon.
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Why? What has TJO accomplished that guarantees (or even suggests) long-term success at a P6 school, success that of course would have to include multiple deep NCAA tournament runs?
That's a direction I'd like Marquette to look at. Never been a NoJo, but my opinion is TJO has a higher ceiling.
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That's a direction I'd like Marquette to look at. Never been a NoJo, but my opinion is TJO has a higher ceiling.
UNLV is a better job
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UNLV is a better job
Stop.
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Stop.
Great history, great city, football money and pro sports growing in the city.
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Great history, great city, football money and pro sports growing in the city.
Thank you for making my point for me.
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UNLV is a better job
Easier job for sure
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UNLV is a better job
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Easier job for sure
No doubt. Mountain West is an easier league to win in. UNLV has as much history as Marquette in basketball success. Get the right coach in there that embraces the past and the city, no reason they can’t be a power again
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Great history, great city, football money and pro sports growing in the city.
plus, academic standards don't exist for incoming or continuing players, the administration looks the other way on pretty much any transgression. It's what Buzz wanted on steroids.
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plus, academic standards don't exist for incoming or continuing players, the administration looks the other way on pretty much any transgression. It's what Buzz wanted on steroids.
It’s a low key great job
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If Wojo is gone after this season, for whatever reason it may be, who do you want to fill the position?
Are you one of the meat eating lovers who thinks the list starts and ends with Bennett, Sampson, and Beard?
Who do you think is a realistic option to replace Wojo if he is gone?
I'd also add Scott Nagy and for my stat nerd heart Kyle Smith.
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Perfectly stated, wades.
I am not "against" Otzenberger in any way. He might turn out to be the next Jay Wright. But he has proven bupkis so far. Time will tell ... and that's fine, because Wojo probably ain't goin' anywhere anytime soon.
Well, he’s proven more than Wojo had prior to his hiring.
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That's a direction I'd like Marquette to look at. Never been a NoJo, but my opinion is TJO has a higher ceiling.
Thank you for being honest and stating that it is only your opinion. I'll be honest and say that I don't really have an opinion on him either way.
Well, he’s proven more than Wojo had prior to his hiring.
How has he "proven" that he is likely to be a more capable P6 coach? TJO hasn't won a single game as the coach of a P6 school, which was the exact same case for Wojo before Marquette hired him.
At least Retire0 was honest that it merely was his opinion that TJO has a higher ceiling, and his opinion might very well prove to be "right" some day.
Look, based on what I've read on Scoop so far, it feels like folks want the guy because he's from Milwaukee, because he had good success at a Summit League school, and, most importantly, because he isn't Wojo. It feels a little like "backup QB syndrome" to me.
But I haven't seen him coach a single game for a P6 team - and neither has anybody else - so I don't know whether he can be a big winner at this level or not.
Maybe Marquette or another high-major school will hire him and we'll get to see. Maybe, as some have suggested, he'll turn UNLV back into a perennial national contender and a blueblood will grab him. Maybe he'll be the next Mark Few and be happy running a great non-P6 program forever. Or maybe he'll fail at UNLV and will end up either going back to a low-major program or being an assistant coach.
The beautiful thing is that we'll all get to see rather than speculate!
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Well, he’s proven more than Wojo had prior to his hiring.
He has? So if Wojo was hired at SDSU he would have done worse in the same situation? TJ would have done better if hired after Buzz left at MU?
Hmm. Let me know the winning lottery numbers for tomorrow’s drawing before today is out...thanks.
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Great history, great city, football money and pro sports growing in the city.
Mid-major conference, athletic department revenues in a freefall, stagnant/apathetic fan base and the addition of pro sports is largely a negative (no longer the only game in town).
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I doubt TJO would be a name anyone would consider if he wasn’t from the Milwaukee area
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Mid-major conference, athletic department revenues in a freefall, stagnant/apathetic fan base and the addition of pro sports is largely a negative (no longer the only game in town).
Exactly. They have the success of the 80s and early 90s on Marquette and that's about it. So history when most of the kids who are playing in college now were toddlers at the oldest. Beyond that and the ability to bend rules if a coach really wants to there is nothing about the job that is better than Marquette's.
When "We have a crappy football program that Marquette doesn't have" is a selling point to the job, it's not a better job than Marquette.
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He has? So if Wojo was hired at SDSU he would have done worse in the same situation? TJ would have done better if hired after Buzz left at MU?
Hmm. Let me know the winning lottery numbers for tomorrow’s drawing before today is out...thanks.
Remind me, what was Wojo’s head coaching resume before he was hired?
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Remind me, what was Wojo’s head coaching resume before he was hired?
He didn’t have one. Did you understand my response?
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He didn’t have one. Did you understand my response?
Yes. It did nothing to disprove the point that TJO has proven/accomplished more than had Wojo when he was hired.
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I doubt TJO would be a name anyone would consider if he wasn’t from the Milwaukee area
A lot of coaches wouldn't be where they are if not for local or alumni ties. That doesn't make them worse candidates. I like the idea of someone who knows the local AAU scene and has proven they can recruit in the areas we traditionally target players.
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A lot of coaches wouldn't be where they are if not for local or alumni ties. That doesn't make them worse candidates. I like the idea of someone who knows the local AAU scene and has proven they can recruit in the areas we traditionally target players.
I like the idea, too, but I’m saying based on his resume, he’d be a non-starter for many without the Milwaukee ties.
It shouldn’t matter, anyway. Plenty of “mid-major” coaches have ties all over the place and the staff they hire is almost as important anyway
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Thank you for being honest and stating that it is only your opinion. I'll be honest and say that I don't really have an opinion on him either way.
How has he "proven" that he is likely to be a more capable P6 coach? TJO hasn't won a single game as the coach of a P6 school, which was the exact same case for Wojo before Marquette hired him.
At least Retire0 was honest that it merely was his opinion that TJO has a higher ceiling, and his opinion might very well prove to be "right" some day.
Look, based on what I've read on Scoop so far, it feels like folks want the guy because he's from Milwaukee, because he had good success at a Summit League school, and, most importantly, because he isn't Wojo. It feels a little like "backup QB syndrome" to me.
But I haven't seen him coach a single game for a P6 team - and neither has anybody else - so I don't know whether he can be a big winner at this level or not.
Maybe Marquette or another high-major school will hire him and we'll get to see. Maybe, as some have suggested, he'll turn UNLV back into a perennial national contender and a blueblood will grab him. Maybe he'll be the next Mark Few and be happy running a great non-P6 program forever. Or maybe he'll fail at UNLV and will end up either going back to a low-major program or being an assistant coach.
The beautiful thing is that we'll all get to see rather than speculate!
Most coaches haven’t coached at a P6 school before taking a job at another P6 school.
Settle down...TJO hasn’t been offered anything. You certainly have your opinion of coaches who have never coached in a P6 conference.
Wojo, Crean and Buzz(not counting 1 year at UNO) went as assistants to high major coaches. Were you down all three of those unproven hires?
TJO is a HC. He is the CEO. He just beat an undefeated top 3 team. He has strong ties to the area. Like Buzz, he is well respected as a young up and coming coach.
Some would like to see him succeed at a P6 and THEN MU can go get him.
Too late. We have been a stepping stone job for our last several hires.
MU hasn’t gone the route of waiting for an experienced HC from a P6 to come available. Maybe they will in the future..
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He has? So if Wojo was hired at SDSU he would have done worse in the same situation? TJ would have done better if hired after Buzz left at MU?
Hmm. Let me know the winning lottery numbers for tomorrow’s drawing before today is out...thanks.
Wojo was an assistant coach prior to coming to MU. Overall record as a HC of 0-0.
TJO has been a successful HC (CEO).
Wojo didn’t go to SDST.
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Wojo was an assistant coach prior to coming to MU. Overall record as a HC of 0-0.
TJO has been a successful HC (CEO).
Wojo didn’t go to SDST.
In high school?
GTFO.
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Most coaches haven’t coached at a P6 school before taking a job at another P6 school.
Settle down...TJO hasn’t been offered anything. You certainly have your opinion of coaches who have never coached in a P6 conference.
Wojo, Crean and Buzz(not counting 1 year at UNO) went as assistants to high major coaches. Were you down all three of those unproven hires?
TJO is a HC. He is the CEO. He just beat an undefeated top 3 team. He has strong ties to the area. Like Buzz, he is well respected as a young up and coming coach.
Some would like to see him succeed at a P6 and THEN MU can go get him.
Too late. We have been a stepping stone job for our last several hires.
MU hasn’t gone the route of waiting for an experienced HC from a P6 to come available. Maybe they will in the future..
I never once said -- or even suggested -- I was "down" on TJO. If Wojo were fired right now and TJO hired to replace him, me being an optimist, I would be high on TJO, just as I was high on Wojo, Buzz and Crean.
All I said is that he hasn't accomplished anything at a high-major level. That is true. It was true of Wojo, too. Those are what we call "facts."
Wojo beat the No. 1 team in the nation in 2017. According to many here, that was a "fart in the wind." And maybe they're not wrong about it, but it happened. And it didn't automatically make him a great coach -- just as UNLV's win over San Diego State didn't make TJO's team more than the 15-14, non-NCAA tournament team it is.
I mean, Wojo has beaten K-State 2 straight years, including on the road this season; TJO lost to K-State at home this season. Therefore, ipso fatso, does that "prove" that Wojo is significantly better than TJO -- who also lost at home to Texas State, Pacific at Nevado-Reno, among others? I certainly wouldn't argue it proves anything.
You're trying too hard to "prove" TJO is better or more accomplished than Wojo, but the fact is that we don't know if he's better, and he isn't any more accomplished.
Wojo is about to make the NCAA tournament for the 3rd time in 4 years while coaching in one of the best conferences in the land. When TJO accomplishes anything like that, let the rest of us know.
And again, I am not "down" on him. He might be the next great coach, and 10 years from now I might say, "Wow, I sure wish Marquette had him."
That doesn't change the current facts, though.
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I understand you want a sure thing(a proven, successful HC in a P6 conference) as MU's next coach.....if and when that happens. MU and most every other D1 school disagrees with you as evidence by their hires.
Izzo, Crean, Coach K, Knight, Wojo, Ryan, Buzz, and hundreds other coaches etc. etc. had little if any HEAD coaching experience, much less P6 coaching experience. That seems like an priveleged request, since it has never happened here before.MU has been a school that gives the hot assistant coach the job, not a retread.
Im sure we could get a rebound coach that has been fired from a P6 conference and satisfy your coaching search requirement.
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I like the idea, too, but I’m saying based on his resume, he’d be a non-starter for many without the Milwaukee ties.
It shouldn’t matter, anyway. Plenty of “mid-major” coaches have ties all over the place and the staff they hire is almost as important anyway
I don't know about that. I've advocated for Wes Miller and John Becker who don't have local ties or NCAA wins. I think if you can prove you are better than your peers, you probably deserve a shot at the next level. TJO did that at SDSU. Being local is a bonus on the kind of resume I already prize.
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I don't know about that. I've advocated for Wes Miller and John Becker who don't have local ties or NCAA wins. I think if you can prove you are better than your peers, you probably deserve a shot at the next level. TJO did that at SDSU. Being local is a bonus on the kind of resume I already prize.
Big fan of Wes Miller and frankly shocked he hasn't gotten a look higher up yet, maybe cause he hasn't won a tourney game honestly. UNCG was a dumpster fire when he took over and he turned them around immediately and they have another tough team. Stuck right with Kansas at Allen, beat GTown, won on the road at a solid Vermont team, and 2 of their 3 losses in conference are to ETSU who arguably would get an at large if they lose in the conference tourney and who have the only other potentially more interesting HC for bigger jobs in the conference.
I would think he would may be in play for Wake when Manning inevitably gets canned and maybe GTech cause I think Pastner is also toast.
Becker is a good coach, but he's on the wrong side of 50 in addition to never even being an assistant in a good league, IMO. He was a D3 coach until he came to Vermont.
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a real dog fight at MSU if the izzo boys lose this one, i'm getting the orville redenbacher's ready-where do i find MSU scoop?
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I understand you want a sure thing(a proven, successful HC in a P6 conference) as MU's next coach.....if and when that happens. MU and most every other D1 school disagrees with you as evidence by their hires.
Izzo, Crean, Coach K, Knight, Wojo, Ryan, Buzz, and hundreds other coaches etc. etc. had little if any HEAD coaching experience, much less P6 coaching experience. That seems like an priveleged request, since it has never happened here before.MU has been a school that gives the hot assistant coach the job, not a retread.
Im sure we could get a rebound coach that has been fired from a P6 conference and satisfy your coaching search requirement.
Sigh.
I have never advocated for what your claims keep representing.
Indeed, I have said that Marquette has NEVER hired anybody other than an up-and-coming assistant or a mid-major (or lower) coach with potential, so anybody expecting something else next time is delusional. There are some (not "many," as I overzealously claimed earlier) who think proven P6 coaches will leave their current good situations to come to Marquette. You and I both agree that's highly unlikely to happen.
There is a reason that just about every Marquette fan I know, including a vast majority of Scoopers, were giddy when it appeared a successful mid-major coach was going to come to Marquette: Mrs. Shaka's husband appeared to be far and away the best catch from our decades-long control group.
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Haha...can’t keep away from Your boy Shaka. 6 years later.
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the vermin beat another ranked team on the road? say what you want but i'd give my left one if wojo could deliver some of these for us. then, at least ya know they have it in them.
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the vermin beat another ranked team on the road? say what you want but i'd give my left one if wojo could deliver some of these for us. then, at least ya know they have it in them.
Yes. I hate it, but I respect them. One of this board's maddening seasonal rituals is to write off a mediocre Bucky team in late January only to try figuring out how they're headed for a 3 or 4 seed in the Big Ten by late February.
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#21 Colorado loses by 14 on the road to Cal, currently ranked #179 in KenPom. Now that's a loss that can make you lose some ground on the s-curve
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Yes. I hate it, but I respect them. One of this board's maddening seasonal rituals is to write off a mediocre Bucky team in late January only to try figuring out how they're headed for a 3 or 4 seed in the Big Ten by late February.
Really? That’s maddening to you?
I hate Bucky. I know exactly how they do it. I’m no longer trying to figure it out. We’ve all seen this movie.
unnatural carnal knowledge those whiteys.
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USC 57 Arizona 48 F
47 Net over 7 Net rankings.
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USC 57 Arizona 48 F
47 Net over 7 Net rankings.
Mediocre! Fire miller!
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Mediocre! Fire miller!
Just arrest him.
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I know exactly how they do it. I’m no longer trying to figure it out. We’ve all seen this movie.
Yes, we've seen this movie. An annual ritual, like I said. So why don't you tell us what you figured out.
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Yes, we've seen this movie. An annual ritual, like I said. So why don't you tell us what you figured out.
Your apparent love for Bucky ball.
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The Big10 has one good team, Maryland, and then a lot of assorted decent teams. I’m not sold on Penn State, Michigan and MSU both have had horrendous stretches, Illinois was playing good until they lost 4 in a row, OSU hadn’t beat a good team since early Dec before they beat Maryland on Sunday. Iowa is completely inconsistent. Perfect league setup for a flawed Wisconsin team to stay competitive. I would be completely unsurprised if the conference had nobody left the second weekend.
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USC 57 Arizona 48 F
47 Net over 7 Net rankings.
Makes our win stronger and knocks Arizona who is right around us on the s-curve. Double helpful!
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The Big10 has one good team, Maryland, and then a lot of assorted decent teams. I’m not sold on Penn State, Michigan and MSU both have had horrendous stretches, Illinois was playing good until they lost 4 in a row, OSU hadn’t beat a good team since early Dec before they beat Maryland on Sunday. Iowa is completely inconsistent. Perfect league setup for a flawed Wisconsin team to stay competitive. I would be completely unsurprised if the conference had nobody left the second weekend.
I’m a fan of basketball after I’m a fan of MU. But the big ten just beat each other up. They cannibalized their conference. On any given day, they’ve shown, with the exception of northwestern and Nebraska, any of the others can all advance to at least the 2nd round. Then you have probably 5-6 that are sweet 16’ers. Maybe 2 elites but then it drops off. Even Izzo good coaching ain’t gonna do it this year.
I think it’s Gonzaga, Baylor, and a few to be announced
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The Big10 has one good team, Maryland, and then a lot of assorted decent teams. I’m not sold on Penn State, Michigan and MSU both have had horrendous stretches, Illinois was playing good until they lost 4 in a row, OSU hadn’t beat a good team since early Dec before they beat Maryland on Sunday. Iowa is completely inconsistent. Perfect league setup for a flawed Wisconsin team to stay competitive. I would be completely unsurprised if the conference had nobody left the second weekend.
It’s a very good league, the best in college basketball this year but it’s doubtful there is a national champion in the lot. The league is truly representative of the sport for this season.
They could put 6 teams in the Sweet 16 or all of their teams could get bounced on the opening weekend.
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Your apparent love for Bucky ball.
You appear to have confused respect for love. Try to get it straight.
And then tell us what they do every damn year. You said you figured it out.
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You appear to have confused respect for love. Try to get it straight.
And then tell us what they do every damn year. You said you figured it out.
Play their best basketball of the year is what he is saying.
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The Big10 has one good team, Maryland, and then a lot of assorted decent teams. I’m not sold on Penn State, Michigan and MSU both have had horrendous stretches, Illinois was playing good until they lost 4 in a row, OSU hadn’t beat a good team since early Dec before they beat Maryland on Sunday. Iowa is completely inconsistent. Perfect league setup for a flawed Wisconsin team to stay competitive. I would be completely unsurprised if the conference had nobody left the second weekend.
The Big East (country’s 2nd strongest conference) is very similar to the Big 10. At this moment, only Creighton appears to be a real contender. Both conferences have a bunch of good/not great teams. We might be surprised by which teams advance and which teams exit early in the tournament.
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I think it’s Gonzaga, Baylor, and a few to be announced
Kansas > both. IMHO, of course.
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Play their best basketball of the year is what he is saying.
I agree, I'm saying the same. It's a YOY pattern with Becky. I wanna know why.
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Mediocre! Fire miller!
Without being sarcastic, let me ask you a question..Was this a game Arizona should have lost??
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Without being sarcastic, let me ask you a question..Was this a game Arizona should have lost??
No. Cal is over 100 spots lower in KenPom than the worst Big East team
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No. Cal is over 100 spots lower in KenPom than the worst Big East team
Arizona lost to USC, tho.
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Arizona lost to USC, tho.
Whoops, had my overrarted PAC 12 teams mixed up. Colorado lost to Cal not Zona.
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Without being sarcastic, let me ask you a question..Was this a game Arizona should have lost??
Without being sarcastic, let me ask you a question: You do understand that every single day, numerous teams -- even those with Hall of Fame coaches -- lose games they "should" have won, right?
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Without being sarcastic, let me ask you a question..Was this a game Arizona should have lost??
Absolutely
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Without being sarcastic, let me ask you a question..Was this a game Arizona should have lost??
Without a doubt, they scored fewer points. I'm of the opinion that the team that scores fewer points should always lose.
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Without being sarcastic, let me ask you a question: You do understand that every single day, numerous teams -- even those with Hall of Fame coaches -- lose games they "should" have won, right?
I 100% understand it, what I'm trying to prove here is that teams do absolutely have "inexcusable" losses. People here seem to act like losing this game or that game is no big deal, but there ARE losses that are inexcusable. There isn't an honest Coach anywhere that wouldn't say the same thing.
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I 100% understand it, what I'm trying to prove here is that teams do absolutely have "inexcusable" losses. People here seem to act like losing this game or that game is no big deal, but there ARE losses that are inexcusable. There isn't an honest Coach anywhere that wouldn't say the same thing.
Yes but they are inevitable so its goofy to overreact to one or two of them a year. You took it way to far with the prov loss. That's why it silly. Every team will lose a few games they shouldn't. That's the point. It's even worse now that Prov has played themselves into a tourney team.
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The Big East (country’s 2nd strongest conference) is very similar to the Big 10. At this moment, only Creighton appears to be a real contender. Both conferences have a bunch of good/not great teams. We might be surprised by which teams advance and which teams exit early in the tournament.
Agreed. We could debate on whether the B10 or BE is better, but the overall demographics look very similar. One or two teams with decent shots to do some damage, a whole bunch of teams that will get in but probably be one or two and done, and a couple of teams that are at the bottom but better than bottom teams in many conferences.
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Without a doubt, they scored fewer points. I'm of the opinion that the team that scores fewer points should always lose.
I needed this today. Thanks brew
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I 100% understand it, what I'm trying to prove here is that teams do absolutely have "inexcusable" losses. People here seem to act like losing this game or that game is no big deal, but there ARE losses that are inexcusable. There isn't an honest Coach anywhere that wouldn't say the same thing.
So, let's say we all -- including every honest Coach everywhere -- agree that there are such things as "inexcusable losses." What are any of us supposed to do with that? Are coaches who lose such games supposed to go ape-shyte on their teams, make 'em run 100 laps, choke 'em or something? Are they supposed to quit, fire assistants, kick the mascot? Are fans supposed to scream and pout about 'em, boo the home team, threaten to go root for somebody else? What?
Losses happen. Even "inexcusable" ones, even to great teams, even to HoF coaches. If you want to curl up in the fetal position after every loss you believe fits that description, knock yourself out.
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So, let's say we all -- including every honest Coach everywhere -- agree that there are such things as "inexcusable losses." What are any of us supposed to do with that? Are coaches who lose such games supposed to go ape-shyte on their teams, make 'em run 100 laps, choke 'em or something? Are they supposed to quit, fire assistants, kick the mascot? Are fans supposed to scream and pout about 'em, boo the home team, threaten to go root for somebody else? What?
Losses happen. Even "inexcusable" ones, even to great teams, even to HoF coaches. If you want to curl up in the fetal position after every loss you believe fits that description, knock yourself out.
Eagerly awaiting the response from the wall that you all enjoy playing tennis with.
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USC 3 pointer with one second remaining lifts them over UCLA 54-52.....they are 3rd in Pac 12, 11-7, on the bubble, trying to dance.
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USC 3 pointer with one second remaining lifts them over UCLA 54-52.....they are 3rd in Pac 12, 11-7, on the bubble, trying to dance.
They are in with that win.