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Cheeks

November 02, 2019, 03:32:11 PM
"I hate everything about this job except the games, Everything. I don't even get affected anymore by the winning, by the ratings, those things. The trouble is, it will sound like an excuse because we've never won the national championship, but winning just isn't all that important to me." Al McGuire

TAMU, Knower of Ball

#1
November 02, 2019, 03:44:47 PM
Good stuff. Think we see some big things from mr. Bailey this season
Quote from: Goose on January 15, 2023, 08:43:46 PM
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real chili 83

#2
November 02, 2019, 07:44:38 PM
Spent a bit of time with Thurl in Hartford after the debacle.  Enjoyed our conversation.

Brandon and Sacar will be the real deal this year.

tower912

#3
November 02, 2019, 07:48:40 PM
I think Sacar averages double digits points and Bailey comes close.   Joey numbers.  Better defense, probably not as many rebounds.
Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.

Silkk the Shaka

#4
November 02, 2019, 08:29:03 PM
Quote from: tower912 on November 02, 2019, 07:48:40 PM
I think Sacar averages double digits points and Bailey comes close.   Joey numbers.  Better defense, probably not as many rebounds.

And not as good of a passer, Joey dropped some dimes last year. But I'd take that trade off for the makeup of this year's team. More ball handlers so the passing from the 4 isn't as needed.

tower912

#5
November 02, 2019, 08:33:58 PM
Quote from: Ellenson Family Reunion on November 02, 2019, 08:29:03 PM
And not as good of a passer, Joey dropped some dimes last year. But I'd take that trade off for the makeup of this year's team. More ball handlers so the passing from the 4 isn't as needed.
Fewer assists, but fewer turnovers.
Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.

Cheeks

#6
November 02, 2019, 09:12:06 PM
Quote from: real chili 83 on November 02, 2019, 07:44:38 PM

Brandon and Sacar will be the real deal this year.

Yup!! 
"I hate everything about this job except the games, Everything. I don't even get affected anymore by the winning, by the ratings, those things. The trouble is, it will sound like an excuse because we've never won the national championship, but winning just isn't all that important to me." Al McGuire

GooooMarquette

#7
November 03, 2019, 07:58:45 AM
Sounds like a very mature and well-grounded kid. And with his size and athletic ability, the sky is the limit.

Love the HS nickname - the Cavemen!

The Sultan

#8
November 03, 2019, 08:15:16 AM
Quote from: GooooMarquette on November 03, 2019, 07:58:45 AM
Sounds like a very mature and well-grounded kid. And with his size and athletic ability, the sky is the limit.

Love the HS nickname - the Cavemen!


"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

Cheeks

#9
November 03, 2019, 08:22:42 AM
Quote from: GooooMarquette on November 03, 2019, 07:58:45 AM
Sounds like a very mature and well-grounded kid. And with his size and athletic ability, the sky is the limit.

Love the HS nickname - the Cavemen!

Yeah, liked the nickname...they will be forced to change it within 5 years I am sure.
"I hate everything about this job except the games, Everything. I don't even get affected anymore by the winning, by the ratings, those things. The trouble is, it will sound like an excuse because we've never won the national championship, but winning just isn't all that important to me." Al McGuire

rocket surgeon

#10
November 03, 2019, 08:37:46 AM
 the good thing about freshman is they become sophomores-looking for nice things from brendan(and sacar)
felz Houston ate uncle boozie's hands

lawdog77

#11
November 03, 2019, 09:10:26 AM
I think, based on on Brendans play, we will soon be saying Joey who?.

Cheeks

#12
November 03, 2019, 09:14:15 AM
Quote from: rocket surgeon on November 03, 2019, 08:37:46 AM
the good thing about freshman is they become sophomores-looking for nice things from brendan(and sacar)

Yup.  And he isn't your normal sophomore maturity wise.  I think he ends up being an all-timer at MU
"I hate everything about this job except the games, Everything. I don't even get affected anymore by the winning, by the ratings, those things. The trouble is, it will sound like an excuse because we've never won the national championship, but winning just isn't all that important to me." Al McGuire

Lennys Tap

#13
November 03, 2019, 09:49:27 AM
Quote from: Cheeks on November 03, 2019, 09:14:15 AM
Yup.  And he isn't your normal sophomore maturity wise.  I think he ends up being an all-timer at MU

He shouldn't be because he isn't your normal sophomore age wise. He turned 22 last spring.

When I think of MU "all timers" I think D Wade, Butch Lee, Meminger, Luke, GT, Jimmy Chones and Bo. Next tier Markus, Kojis, Tatum, JFB, Jae, T Smith and Travis. 3rd tier Dom, Wesley, Lazar, Whitehead and Jerel.

If BB ends up in tier 3 I'll be very happy - but to me that's not an MU "all timer".

brewcity77

#14
November 03, 2019, 10:01:39 AM
FWIW, exercise caution with expectations. I'm also high on Bailey's ceiling, but Paint Touches noted...

"of the 28 players in the last 7 years to take a Mormon mission, only 2 saw a 'jump' up in their 2nd year back.

And of the 2 that were ranked in the top-150 coming out of high school, one actually saw a dip in year 2."

The Sultan

#15
November 03, 2019, 10:05:49 AM
Yeah we will see about BB. Joey will end up with a better career when all is said and done IMO. Izzo will fix his defensive issues.
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

brewcity77

#16
November 03, 2019, 10:12:19 AM
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on November 03, 2019, 10:05:49 AM
Yeah we will see about BB. Joey will end up with a better career when all is said and done IMO. Izzo will fix his defensive issues.

I'm not completely sold on either of them. Joey hit that wall hard and had very low self-awareness in that regard. Yes, Markus' usage increased and productivity plummeted in the end run of the season, but Joey's usage also increased and productivity also plummeted over the same timespan.

Comparing Joey and Bailey, I think Joey has a higher floor, but Bailey has a (significantly) higher ceiling. There are a number of things that, physically, Joey simply cannot do that Bailey can. And I don't think Joey is nearly as high-IQ of a player as Sam was, so it's not like he has that built-in advantage over other players that Sam does. Joey will be a good collegiate player, but I'm not convinced he'll ever be great.

Cheeks

#17
November 03, 2019, 10:24:04 AM
Quote from: brewcity77 on November 03, 2019, 10:01:39 AM
FWIW, exercise caution with expectations. I'm also high on Bailey's ceiling, but Paint Touches noted...

"of the 28 players in the last 7 years to take a Mormon mission, only 2 saw a 'jump' up in their 2nd year back.

And of the 2 that were ranked in the top-150 coming out of high school, one actually saw a dip in year 2."

How many of those 7 come from the stock of BB's athletic parents?
"I hate everything about this job except the games, Everything. I don't even get affected anymore by the winning, by the ratings, those things. The trouble is, it will sound like an excuse because we've never won the national championship, but winning just isn't all that important to me." Al McGuire

Lennys Tap

#18
November 03, 2019, 10:58:59 AM
Quote from: Cheeks on November 03, 2019, 10:24:04 AM
How many of those 7 come from the stock of BB's athletic parents?

So you're sticking you your "MU all timer" (Wade, Chones, Lee, etc.) prediction?

Cheeks

#19
November 03, 2019, 12:11:02 PM
Quote from: Lennys Tap on November 03, 2019, 10:58:59 AM
So you're sticking you your "MU all timer" (Wade, Chones, Lee, etc.) prediction?

Not under your definition.  Jerel McNeal is our all time leading scorer...so he's an all timer.  Markus is about to be.

I think this kid has the chance to be pretty special. 
"I hate everything about this job except the games, Everything. I don't even get affected anymore by the winning, by the ratings, those things. The trouble is, it will sound like an excuse because we've never won the national championship, but winning just isn't all that important to me." Al McGuire

Galway Eagle

#20
November 03, 2019, 12:28:33 PM
Quote from: Cheeks on November 03, 2019, 12:11:02 PM
Not under your definition.  Jerel McNeal is our all time leading scorer...so he's an all timer.  Markus is about to be.

I think this kid has the chance to be pretty special.

Is McNeal still an all timer when he is no longer the all time leading scorer?
Retire Terry Rand's jersey!

Cheeks

#21
November 03, 2019, 12:33:49 PM
Quote from: Galway Eagle on November 03, 2019, 12:28:33 PM
Is McNeal still an all timer when he is no longer the all time leading scorer?

He will be in the top 5 all time leading scorer for quite some time...so yes, an all timer.   Let's not confuse all-timer with greatest or one of the greatest.  If people are misconstruing that, let me put that to bed right now.

Steve Novak is an all-timer at MU, I wouldn't rate him in the top 15 best MU players.  Hopefully that adds some clarity. 
"I hate everything about this job except the games, Everything. I don't even get affected anymore by the winning, by the ratings, those things. The trouble is, it will sound like an excuse because we've never won the national championship, but winning just isn't all that important to me." Al McGuire

Galway Eagle

#22
November 03, 2019, 12:49:38 PM
Quote from: Cheeks on November 03, 2019, 12:33:49 PM
He will be in the top 5 all time leading scorer for quite some time...so yes, an all timer.   Let's not confuse all-timer with greatest or one of the greatest.  If people are misconstruing that, let me put that to bed right now.

Steve Novak is an all-timer at MU, I wouldn't rate him in the top 15 best MU players.  Hopefully that adds some clarity.

So just someone who's name is associated with an era of success or what?
Retire Terry Rand's jersey!

lawdog77

#23
November 03, 2019, 01:01:23 PM
This isnt going to end well

Billy Hoyle

#24
November 03, 2019, 01:07:57 PM
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