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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: Cheeks on November 02, 2019, 03:32:11 PM
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About his unique journey
https://www.thechurchnews.com/members/2019-10-30/utah-jazz-nba-thurl-bailey-marquette-university-lds-mission-165128
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Good stuff. Think we see some big things from mr. Bailey this season
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Spent a bit of time with Thurl in Hartford after the debacle. Enjoyed our conversation.
Brandon and Sacar will be the real deal this year.
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I think Sacar averages double digits points and Bailey comes close. Joey numbers. Better defense, probably not as many rebounds.
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I think Sacar averages double digits points and Bailey comes close. Joey numbers. Better defense, probably not as many rebounds.
And not as good of a passer, Joey dropped some dimes last year. But I'd take that trade off for the makeup of this year's team. More ball handlers so the passing from the 4 isn't as needed.
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And not as good of a passer, Joey dropped some dimes last year. But I'd take that trade off for the makeup of this year's team. More ball handlers so the passing from the 4 isn't as needed.
Fewer assists, but fewer turnovers.
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Brandon and Sacar will be the real deal this year.
Yup!!
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Sounds like a very mature and well-grounded kid. And with his size and athletic ability, the sky is the limit.
Love the HS nickname - the Cavemen!
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Sounds like a very mature and well-grounded kid. And with his size and athletic ability, the sky is the limit.
Love the HS nickname - the Cavemen!
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Sounds like a very mature and well-grounded kid. And with his size and athletic ability, the sky is the limit.
Love the HS nickname - the Cavemen!
Yeah, liked the nickname...they will be forced to change it within 5 years I am sure.
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the good thing about freshman is they become sophomores-looking for nice things from brendan(and sacar)
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I think, based on on Brendans play, we will soon be saying Joey who?.
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the good thing about freshman is they become sophomores-looking for nice things from brendan(and sacar)
Yup. And he isn’t your normal sophomore maturity wise. I think he ends up being an all-timer at MU
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Yup. And he isn’t your normal sophomore maturity wise. I think he ends up being an all-timer at MU
He shouldn't be because he isn't your normal sophomore age wise. He turned 22 last spring.
When I think of MU "all timers" I think D Wade, Butch Lee, Meminger, Luke, GT, Jimmy Chones and Bo. Next tier Markus, Kojis, Tatum, JFB, Jae, T Smith and Travis. 3rd tier Dom, Wesley, Lazar, Whitehead and Jerel.
If BB ends up in tier 3 I'll be very happy - but to me that's not an MU "all timer".
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FWIW, exercise caution with expectations. I'm also high on Bailey's ceiling, but Paint Touches noted...
"of the 28 players in the last 7 years to take a Mormon mission, only 2 saw a 'jump' up in their 2nd year back.
And of the 2 that were ranked in the top-150 coming out of high school, one actually saw a dip in year 2."
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Yeah we will see about BB. Joey will end up with a better career when all is said and done IMO. Izzo will fix his defensive issues.
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Yeah we will see about BB. Joey will end up with a better career when all is said and done IMO. Izzo will fix his defensive issues.
I'm not completely sold on either of them. Joey hit that wall hard and had very low self-awareness in that regard. Yes, Markus' usage increased and productivity plummeted in the end run of the season, but Joey's usage also increased and productivity also plummeted over the same timespan.
Comparing Joey and Bailey, I think Joey has a higher floor, but Bailey has a (significantly) higher ceiling. There are a number of things that, physically, Joey simply cannot do that Bailey can. And I don't think Joey is nearly as high-IQ of a player as Sam was, so it's not like he has that built-in advantage over other players that Sam does. Joey will be a good collegiate player, but I'm not convinced he'll ever be great.
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FWIW, exercise caution with expectations. I'm also high on Bailey's ceiling, but Paint Touches noted...
"of the 28 players in the last 7 years to take a Mormon mission, only 2 saw a 'jump' up in their 2nd year back.
And of the 2 that were ranked in the top-150 coming out of high school, one actually saw a dip in year 2."
How many of those 7 come from the stock of BB’s athletic parents?
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How many of those 7 come from the stock of BB’s athletic parents?
So you're sticking you your "MU all timer" (Wade, Chones, Lee, etc.) prediction?
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So you're sticking you your "MU all timer" (Wade, Chones, Lee, etc.) prediction?
Not under your definition. Jerel McNeal is our all time leading scorer...so he’s an all timer. Markus is about to be.
I think this kid has the chance to be pretty special.
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Not under your definition. Jerel McNeal is our all time leading scorer...so he’s an all timer. Markus is about to be.
I think this kid has the chance to be pretty special.
Is McNeal still an all timer when he is no longer the all time leading scorer?
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Is McNeal still an all timer when he is no longer the all time leading scorer?
He will be in the top 5 all time leading scorer for quite some time...so yes, an all timer. Let’s not confuse all-timer with greatest or one of the greatest. If people are misconstruing that, let me put that to bed right now.
Steve Novak is an all-timer at MU, I wouldn’t rate him in the top 15 best MU players. Hopefully that adds some clarity.
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He will be in the top 5 all time leading scorer for quite some time...so yes, an all timer. Let’s not confuse all-timer with greatest or one of the greatest. If people are misconstruing that, let me put that to bed right now.
Steve Novak is an all-timer at MU, I wouldn’t rate him in the top 15 best MU players. Hopefully that adds some clarity.
So just someone who's name is associated with an era of success or what?
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This isnt going to end well
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About his unique journey
https://www.thechurchnews.com/members/2019-10-30/utah-jazz-nba-thurl-bailey-marquette-university-lds-mission-165128
Thanks for posting. My subscription must have lapsed.
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He shouldn't be because he isn't your normal sophomore age wise. He turned 22 last spring.
When I think of MU "all timers" I think D Wade, Butch Lee, Meminger, Luke, GT, Jimmy Chones and Bo. Next tier Markus, Kojis, Tatum, JFB, Jae, T Smith and Travis. 3rd tier Dom, Wesley, Lazar, Whitehead and Jerel.
If BB ends up in tier 3 I'll be very happy - but to me that's not an MU "all timer".
Where's Frozena on this list?
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To say at this very moment that Bailey will be an all-timer at MU is just pure, unabashed slurpery. As a 21 year old freshman, he averaged 3.2ppg and 1.8rpg. He shot 34% from the field, 25% from 3, and 64% from the line. Maybe he’ll blossom into a good player, but where does one get “all-timer” from what we’ve seen so far?
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To say at this very moment that Bailey will be an all-timer at MU is just pure, unabashed slurpery. As a 21 year old freshman, he averaged 3.2ppg and 1.8rpg. He shot 34% from the field, 25% from 3, and 64% from the line. Maybe he’ll blossom into a good player, but where does one get “all-timer” from what we’ve seen so far?
Forget it Jake, it’s ScoopTown
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Lenny -- you missed a few very good players:Lloyd Walton,Bo Ellis, George Thompson,Earl Tatum, and Terry Rand to name a few.
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So just someone who's name is associated with an era of success or what?
Yes, or a particular skill...assists, 3 point shooter, rebounder, shot blocker.
Jimmy Mac is an all timer in shot blocking, he isn’t in the top 35 greatest MU players, probably not top 50.
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To say at this very moment that Bailey will be an all-timer at MU is just pure, unabashed slurpery. As a 21 year old freshman, he averaged 3.2ppg and 1.8rpg. He shot 34% from the field, 25% from 3, and 64% from the line. Maybe he’ll blossom into a good player, but where does one get “all-timer” from what we’ve seen so far?
Yup, it is way to early to tell...but I think he has the potential to be a special player at MU. Happy to be a slurper from day one with this young man.
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How many of those 7 come from the stock of BB’s athletic parents?
How did Michael Jordan’s sons do in college ball? This sounds a little Jimmy The Greekish
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How did Michael Jordan’s sons do in college ball? This sounds a little Jimmy The Greekish
Wes Matthews parents were both D1 athletes, as are BB’s. Not sure who Michael Jordan married. No guarantees in life, of course. Examples on all sides. I just found the Mormon mission example to be pretty weak.
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Wes Matthews parents were both D1 athletes, as are BB’s. Not sure who Michael Jordan married. No guarantees in life, of course. Examples on all sides. I just found the Mormon mission example to be pretty weak.
It's certainly stronger than your inference that his lineage will predict his future. Plenty of successful athletes had non-athletically successful children. Plenty of non-athletes produced highly athletically successful children. That's a total non-sequitur.
At least Paint Touches did some research to support their claim. Unless you have stronger evidence to support your claim, probably best to wade back out of the conversation.
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It's certainly stronger than your inference that his lineage will predict his future. Plenty of successful athletes had non-athletically successful children. Plenty of non-athletes produced highly athletically successful children. That's a total non-sequitur.
At least Paint Touches did some research to support their claim. Unless you have stronger evidence to support your claim, probably best to wade back out of the conversation.
It is stronger...really? So Mormons going on missions, despite what their actual ability is, is more important in how they will do than genetics? Lol.
Could it possibly be the Mormon mission athletes you chose as your sample, maybe a few were just pedestrian to begin with and Mormon mission or not they weren’t going to do much? On,y two were even top 150 guys....so yes, I find it weak.
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It is stronger...really? So Mormons going on missions, despite what their actual ability is, is more important in how they will do than genetics? Lol.
Could it possibly be the Mormon mission athletes you chose as your sample, maybe a few were just pedestrian to begin with and Mormon mission or not they weren’t going to do much? On,y two were even top 150 guys....so yes, I find it weak.
What you are foolishly dismissing is that this is a lack of progression after their careers have already begun. So regardless of the level they came in at, whether a top-150 recruit playing for say BYU or a top-250 recruit playing for Utah Valley, they established a production level as freshmen that they were unable to improve upon in their sophomore year.
The adage and assumption is that freshmen automatically improve when they become sophomores. While it's sometimes true, there are cases (Jamal Cain) where it is decidedly the opposite. Part of the reason this is assumed to be true is because of the age of these young men. Going from 18 to 19 in a collegiate strength training program is likely a big jump. The difference with those that took a mission is they are older, so the expected physical jump would be less significant.
Regardless, unless you have stronger evidence to support your own claim, which clearly you do not as you have not bombarded the thread with vaguely related links or even anecdotal evidence, you really don't have a leg to stand on.
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who were the two top 150 guys?
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who were the two top 150 guys?
You'd have to ask pux90mex.
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FWIW, exercise caution with expectations. I'm also high on Bailey's ceiling, but Paint Touches noted...
"of the 28 players in the last 7 years to take a Mormon mission, only 2 saw a 'jump' up in their 2nd year back.
And of the 2 that were ranked in the top-150 coming out of high school, one actually saw a dip in year 2."
I’d be curious what the criteria that was used....or what a “jump” means.
Payton Dustrup of BYU improved scoring his second year back
Crew Ainge also improved his second year back.
Quinn Taylor same
Richard Harward same
Connor Toolson same
Sam Merrill same
A few others were flat in scoring, but improved assists and steals.
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Lenny -- you missed a few very good players:Lloyd Walton,Bo Ellis, George Thompson,Earl Tatum, and Terry Rand to name a few.
Harry,
Please reread my post - Bo = Bo Ellis, GT = George Thompson, Tatum = Earl Tatum.
Walton and Rand were very good but just missed the list for me.
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He will be in the top 5 all time leading scorer for quite some time...so yes, an all timer. Let’s not confuse all-timer with greatest or one of the greatest. If people are misconstruing that, let me put that to bed right now.
Steve Novak is an all-timer at MU, I wouldn’t rate him in the top 15 best MU players. Hopefully that adds some clarity.
So an "all timer" at Marquette doesn't mean one of the all time best at Marquette. Hmmm...Interesting. Not one of MU's top 5, not one of MU's top 10, not one of MU's top 15. Top 20? Top 30? Top 50? As good as Novak? Who's at the bottom of your MU "all timer" list that BB will supplant? IMO your definition is so vague that it is meaningless.
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Lenny -- sorry I missed you initials
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What you are foolishly dismissing is that this is a lack of progression after their careers have already begun. So regardless of the level they came in at, whether a top-150 recruit playing for say BYU or a top-250 recruit playing for Utah Valley, they established a production level as freshmen that they were unable to improve upon in their sophomore year.
The adage and assumption is that freshmen automatically improve when they become sophomores. While it's sometimes true, there are cases (Jamal Cain) where it is decidedly the opposite. Part of the reason this is assumed to be true is because of the age of these young men. Going from 18 to 19 in a collegiate strength training program is likely a big jump. The difference with those that took a mission is they are older, so the expected physical jump would be less significant.
Regardless, unless you have stronger evidence to support your own claim, which clearly you do not as you have not bombarded the thread with vaguely related links or even anecdotal evidence, you really don't have a leg to stand on.
That’s his usual garbage.
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If the facts aren't on your side, argue the law. If the law isn't on your side, argue the facts.If the poll numbers aren't on your side, argue principle. If the principle you are defending is distasteful, argue polls. When everything is against you, pound the table and yell endlessly.
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I am on Team Chicos on this. Two Top 150 is such a small sample size. Also, define a jump.
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It is stronger...really? So Mormons going on missions, despite what their actual ability is, is more important in how they will do than genetics? Lol.
Could it possibly be the Mormon mission athletes you chose as your sample, maybe a few were just pedestrian to begin with and Mormon mission or not they weren’t going to do much? On,y two were even top 150 guys....so yes, I find it weak.
The Legend made a good living and a name for himself with LDS Missionaries, hey?
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That’s his usual garbage.
I provided a number of names...all of them improved statistically so I’d like to know what the “jump” is...then maybe you can comment about garbage. Thanks.
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The Legend made a good living and a name for himself with LDS Missionaries, hey?
Yes
https://art19.com/shows/aggies-all-the-way-sports-podcast/episodes/8b06748c-f832-44fa-879c-6d4224316cfa
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So an "all timer" at Marquette doesn't mean one of the all time best at Marquette. Hmmm...Interesting. Not one of MU's top 5, not one of MU's top 10, not one of MU's top 15. Top 20? Top 30? Top 50? As good as Novak? Who's at the bottom of your MU "all timer" list that BB will supplant? IMO your definition is so vague that it is meaningless.
I thought I explained it, but will give it another go.
Is Jim Macilvaine one of MU’s all time best shot blockers? Is he one of MU’s all time best players?
Is Steve Novak one of MU’s all time best 3 point shooters? Is he one of MU’s all time best players?
Is Tony Miller one of MU’s all time assist men / point guards? Is he one of MU’s all time best players?
Is Jerel McNeal one of MU’s all time scorers? Is he one of MU’s all time best players?
You can have your definition, I can have mine. Some of the guys above are all timers in specific areas, which I explained, but doesn’t necessarily make them the greatest players overall at MU. I could have thrown at least 20 other guys there that fit that criteria.
I think BB has a chance to be special. I hope I am right. Go Warriors.
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I’d be curious what the criteria that was used....or what a “jump” means.
Payton Dustrup of BYU improved scoring his second year back
Crew Ainge also improved his second year back.
Quinn Taylor same
Richard Harward same
Connor Toolson same
Sam Merrill same
A few others were flat in scoring, but improved assists and steals.
http://www.ldsliving.com/USU-Guard-and-Returned-Missionary-Talks-Toughness-40-Other-Returned-Missionaries-Playing-College-Basketball/s/90308
Jordan Chatman is another, I think.
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http://www.ldsliving.com/USU-Guard-and-Returned-Missionary-Talks-Toughness-40-Other-Returned-Missionaries-Playing-College-Basketball/s/90308
Jordan Chatman is another, I think.
Yes, there a few guys in that article I didn’t list. All depends on what jump is and what category one uses. One kid went from playing something like 5 games to more than 25 in year 2, that’s a jump in participation in helping his team even though some of his other stats were flat.
At any rate, I am excited to see Mr Bailey this year...he will have his ups and downs as any kid will, but looking forward to watching the journey.
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I thought I explained it, but will give it another go.
Is Jim Macilvaine one of MU’s all time best shot blockers? Is he one of MU’s all time best players?
Is Steve Novak one of MU’s all time best 3 point shooters? Is he one of MU’s all time best players?
Is Tony Miller one of MU’s all time assist men / point guards? Is he one of MU’s all time best players?
Is Jerel McNeal one of MU’s all time scorers? Is he one of MU’s all time best players?
You can have your definition, I can have mine. Some of the guys above are all timers in specific areas, which I explained, but doesn’t necessarily make them the greatest players overall at MU. I could have thrown at least 20 other guys there that fit that criteria.
I think BB has a chance to be special. I hope I am right. Go Warriors.
Jim McIlvaine is our all time shot blocker, so I guess given a very narrow definition, he's an "all timer".
Same with Tony Miller and (for awhile anyway) Jerel McNeal. So (being generous) you could call them "all timers". But Brendan Bailey will not a) be an MU all time great player, b) be an all time leader in an important statistic or c) be Steve Novak.
Being considered "a special player" in your eyes just isn't enough to earn the label "MU all timer".
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So...mind numbing arguments about completely subjective opinions of past events is not enough. Now we have to mind numbingly argue about completely subjective opinions of things that may or may not happen in the future?
Can we ask the athletic department to tip the ball at 9:30am this morning?
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So...mind numbing arguments about completely subjective opinions of past events is not enough. Now we have to mind numbingly argue about completely subjective opinions of things that may or may not happen in the future?
Can we ask the athletic department to tip the ball at 9:30am this morning?
It’s Chico’s and Lenny’s. It’s what they do.
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Jim McIlvaine is our all time shot blocker, so I guess given a very narrow definition, he's an "all timer".
Same with Tony Miller and (for awhile anyway) Jerel McNeal. So (being generous) you could call them "all timers". But Brendan Bailey will not a) be an MU all time great player, b) be an all time leader in an important statistic or c) be Steve Novak.
Being considered "a special player" in your eyes just isn't enough to earn the label "MU all timer".
I don’t think it is being generous to call the ALL TIME shot blocker and all-timer. Or even a top 5 guy in that category, but we all have our opinions.
Go Warriors.
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It’s Chico’s and Lenny’s. It’s what they do.
More accurately, it's Chico and everybody. Since Chico's original assertion and my reply he has 13 posts arguing his point. Law Dog has 4 in support. Brew 77 has 5 against, Galway and i have 3, Dr Blackheart, Silent Verbal, Tower, 79 Warrior and you (Fluffy) have 1. (not counting this little snark).
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Jim McIlvaine is our all time shot blocker, so I guess given a very narrow definition, he's an "all timer".
Same with Tony Miller and (for awhile anyway) Jerel McNeal. So (being generous) you could call them "all timers". But Brendan Bailey will not a) be an MU all time great player, b) be an all time leader in an important statistic or c) be Steve Novak.
Being considered "a special player" in your eyes just isn't enough to earn the label "MU all timer".
You're being a real Chico's, Lenny.
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More accurately, it's Chico and everybody. Since Chico's original assertion and my reply he has 13 posts arguing his point. Law Dog has 4 in support. Brew 77 has 5 against, Galway and i have 3, Dr Blackheart, Silent Verbal, Tower, 79 Warrior and you (Fluffy) have 1. (not counting this little snark).
What are you doing bringing facts into the discussion! ;D
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More accurately, it's Chico and everybody. Since Chico's original assertion and my reply he has 13 posts arguing his point. Law Dog has 4 in support. Brew 77 has 5 against, Galway and i have 3, Dr Blackheart, Silent Verbal, Tower, 79 Warrior and you (Fluffy) have 1. (not counting this little snark).
I wasn't against his point just pro more clarification like is being an all timer dynamic so Jerel would remain despite losing the thrown or is it static where he loses his all timer status because he isn't number 1 (answered) Where's the cutoff, did lazar make the cut despite not making number one all time scoring? Needs more clarification before I can agree or disagree
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More accurately, it's Chico and everybody. Since Chico's original assertion and my reply he has 13 posts arguing his point. Law Dog has 4 in support. Brew 77 has 5 against, Galway and i have 3, Dr Blackheart, Silent Verbal, Tower, 79 Warrior and you (Fluffy) have 1. (not counting this little snark).
I guess if you only want to limit it to this topic sure. But that would be intellectually dishonest of you...which is par for the course.
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I guess if you only want to limit it to this topic sure. But that would be intellectually dishonest of you...which is par for the course.
For a poster, he sure is an all-timer.
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terrible tragedy in mexico regarding some of Brendan's religious peers-very sad and frightening actually.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/at-least-seven-members-of-mormon-family-brutally-killed-in-northern-mexico/2019/11/05/d303e448-ffbb-11e9-9518-1e76abc088b6_story.html
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terrible tragedy in mexico regarding some of Brendan's religious peers-very sad and frightening actually.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/at-least-seven-members-of-mormon-family-brutally-killed-in-northern-mexico/2019/11/05/d303e448-ffbb-11e9-9518-1e76abc088b6_story.html
Not really any more religious peers than Catholics are with Presbyterians or evangelicals. Yes both are Christian but different branches.
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More accurately, it's Chico and everybody. Since Chico's original assertion and my reply he has 13 posts arguing his point. Law Dog has 4 in support. Brew 77 has 5 against, Galway and i have 3, Dr Blackheart, Silent Verbal, Tower, 79 Warrior and you (Fluffy) have 1. (not counting this little snark).
Very disingenuous of you.
About Half of those responses of mine were about Mormons 2nd year after mission and improving their stats and had nothing to do with BB directly as the potential of an all timer. I could have combined my responses for efficiency, but gave the tender loving care each deserved with a direct response.
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I guess if you only want to limit it to this topic sure. But that would be intellectually dishonest of you...which is par for the course.
Bwaaaaaahahahahahahahahaha!!!
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Not really any more religious peers than Catholics are with Presbyterians or evangelicals. Yes both are Christian but different branches.
isn't brendon a member of the church of latter day saints/mormon?
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isn't brendon a member of the church of latter day saints/mormon?
LDS members consider themselves Christians. They don't believe in Jesus Christ the same way other Christian churches do, so that leads these churches to say "well they aren't really Christian then." The Roman Catholic Church does not recognize them as Christian.
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isn't brendon a member of the church of latter day saints/mormon?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_denominations_in_the_Latter_Day_Saint_movement#Mormon_fundamentalist
The branch that was killed is an offshoot called Church of the Firstborn of the Fulness of Times which is different than the standard LDS even different leader.
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_denominations_in_the_Latter_Day_Saint_movement#Mormon_fundamentalist
The branch that was killed is an offshoot called Church of the Firstborn of the Fulness of Times which is different than the standard LDS even different leader.
Huh. That's interesting.
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_denominations_in_the_Latter_Day_Saint_movement#Mormon_fundamentalist
The branch that was killed is an offshoot called Church of the Firstborn of the Fulness of Times which is different than the standard LDS even different leader.
got it-thanks!
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Zero points the last two games for Brendan. Hoping he picks it up.
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Another promising athlete tripped up by the Church News cover curse.
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Another promising athlete tripped up by the Church News cover curse.
Lmfao
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With no glee, I sense that Bailey’s sophomore year might be like Cain’s sophomore year. Let’s hope Cain’s junior year turns into Blue’s junior year, or maybe Anim’s.
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BB will be a MU All-Timer if he stays healthy and plays all four years. Love this kid.
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BB will be a MU All-Timer if he stays healthy and plays all four years. Love this kid.
He's a good role player. I think you might be overstating his value by calling him an all-timer, though. He might break through next year and take on a more prominent role, but I haven't seen enough from him yet to assume that will happen. He's got potential for sure, but he hasn't put it all together consistently enough to be in the conversation you're putting him in.
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He's a good role player. I think you might be overstating his value by calling him an all-timer, though. He might break through next year and take on a more prominent role, but I haven't seen enough from him yet to assume that will happen. He's got potential for sure, but he hasn't put it all together consistently enough to be in the conversation you're putting him in.
And I saying he will put it together....
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BB will be a MU All-Timer if he stays healthy and plays all four years. Love this kid.
I hope he really steps up his game and proves you right. We'll need that next year especially.
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He's going to be elite defensively. If he can keep developing his offensive game on top of the 3 he will be a star.
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making me forget about doogie II really really fast
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BB will be a MU All-Timer if he stays healthy and plays all four years. Love this kid.
Brendan will be 23 next year. Should make some additional strides with his strength and athleticism.
Things will be a little different next year without Markus. BB won’t have nearly the space to work with and will need to be able to do more off the dribble to become an all time great. Think you might want to pump the brakes a bit.
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Brendan will be 23 next year. Should make some additional strides with his strength and athleticism.
Things will be a little different next year without Markus. BB won’t have nearly the space to work with and will need to be able to do more off the dribble to become an all time great. Think you might want to pump the brakes a bit.
You thought John Dawson was good...right?
Spacing will be different, but adding Garcia also changes spacing for someone like BB.
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It sure looks like it will be a treat having McEwen's solid ball-handling and passing, with Torrence's past-first gameplan. Bailey should thrive. When was our last pass-first point guard? It's been a while, and we're not used to one making others on the floor look better than they are.
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You thought John Dawson was good...right?
Spacing will be different, but adding Garcia also changes spacing for someone like BB.
Yes. I did think John Dawson was good/had potential. (Certainly better than Derrick Wilson.). Symir’s KenPom comp is John Dawson’s freshman year at MU.
Will be fun to see how the team is structured next year. Have only seen Garcia’s highlight videos - he looks very skilled, and perhaps similar skill set as BB?
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It sure looks like it will be a treat having McEwen's solid ball-handling and passing, with Torrence's past-first gameplan. Bailey should thrive. When was our last pass-first point guard? It's been a while, and we're not used to one making others on the floor look better than they are.
If 4 of our starters next year are Koby, Symir, Theo, and Brendan, our offense might have some issues. Brendan has upside, but he can't come close to replacing Markus.
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You thought John Dawson was good...right?
Seriously, let's not trawl with this bait again.
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He shouldn't be because he isn't your normal sophomore age wise. He turned 22 last spring.
When I think of MU "all timers" I think D Wade, Butch Lee, Meminger, Luke, GT, Jimmy Chones and Bo. Next tier Markus, Kojis, Tatum, JFB, Jae, T Smith and Travis. 3rd tier Dom, Wesley, Lazar, Whitehead and Jerel.
If BB ends up in tier 3 I'll be very happy - but to me that's not an MU "all timer".
Add Bernard Toone