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The Sultan

"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

MU82

Quote from: Pakuni on October 05, 2019, 02:08:58 PM
Kansas has apologized to the pearl clutchers.

https://deadspin.com/kansas-ad-apologizes-for-acrobatic-dancers-unclean-l-1838807384

I don't consider myself a "pearl clutcher," but I do think this was a pretty bad look for any university's official function.

Snoop and "strippers" makin' it rain? Some Scoopers really think that would be a good thing to do at our Madness?
"It's not how white men fight." - Tucker Carlson

"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." - George Washington

"In a time of deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell

The Sultan

Quote from: MU82 on October 05, 2019, 04:08:08 PM
I don't consider myself a "pearl clutcher," but I do think this was a pretty bad look for any university's official function.

Snoop and "strippers" makin' it rain? Some Scoopers really think that would be a good thing to do at our Madness?

No. It was dumb and tacky.
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

MUBurrow

Context is everything here.  Snoop with money cannons and pole dancers is generally awesome and worth it even though you know you'll have to issue a half-hearted the apology the next day.  But its the kind of thing you can't do if you are a Catholic school reliant on pretty conservative folks for donations. If you're a UK or a Florida or a USC, though - have the press release of the apology on delayed send when you walk out of the office on Friday at 5 and go for it. Risk is worth the reward.

BUT its the kind of thing you really can't do if you are KU and Bill Self right now. Holy hell what are they thinking? They should just put the picture of him with the adidas t-shirt and the money chain on a projector during the hearings. Honestly, is he in deeper than we think with unsavory elements and trying to prove he's not a cop? Is this the worst (best?) witness protection strategy ever? My lord, this makes me worried for Bill Self's safety.

MU82

Quote from: MUBurrow on October 05, 2019, 04:16:22 PM
Context is everything here.  Snoop with money cannons and pole dancers is generally awesome and worth it even though you know you'll have to issue a half-hearted the apology the next day.  But its the kind of thing you can't do if you are a Catholic school reliant on pretty conservative folks for donations. If you're a UK or a Florida or a USC, though - have the press release of the apology on delayed send when you walk out of the office on Friday at 5 and go for it. Risk is worth the reward.

What's the reward?
"It's not how white men fight." - Tucker Carlson

"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." - George Washington

"In a time of deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell

Dr. Blackheart

Quote from: MUBurrow on October 05, 2019, 04:16:22 PM
BUT its the kind of thing you really can't do if you are KU and Bill Self right now. Holy hell what are they thinking? They should just put the picture of him with the adidas t-shirt and the money chain on a projector during the hearings. Honestly, is he in deeper than we think with unsavory elements and trying to prove he's not a cop? Is this the worst (best?) witness protection strategy ever? My lord, this makes me worried for Bill Self's safety.

Bill Self to crowd right before Snoop:

QuoteI heard a long time ago that actually bad publicity is better than no publicity," Self said to laughter from the stands.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.kansascity.com/sports/college/big-12/university-of-kansas/article235787637.html

rocket surgeon

Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on October 05, 2019, 03:14:16 PM
It's "Gin and Juice". A 25 year old song from an iconic hip hop album.

  oh!  my bad ::)  another 10 years sooner and i could have had another choice for my wedding march.  hard to decide-on the way in/out of the church

why wouldn't i want my kids near snoop or self?  probably somewhere between there are many more better choices out there for role models and their latest shows are a window into the soul.  secondly, he's(snoopy) a drug addict and misogynist who continues to advocate for drug abuse.  one who needs sunglasses 99% of the time is hiding something.  self is a not on a good roll, doubling down on "catch me if you can"

the article, i believe stated guns, but still not a fan

bill self-gee willikers, they said it was going to be a clean show...let the investigation begin

you've gotta be trolling me sully

felz Houston ate uncle boozie's hands

The Sultan

Quote from: rocket surgeon on October 05, 2019, 05:28:39 PM
  oh!  my bad ::)  another 10 years sooner and i could have had another choice for my wedding march.  hard to decide-on the way in/out of the church

why wouldn't i want my kids near snoop or self?  probably somewhere between there are many more better choices out there for role models and their latest shows are a window into the soul.  secondly, he's(snoopy) a drug addict and misogynist who continues to advocate for drug abuse.  one who needs sunglasses 99% of the time is hiding something.  self is a not on a good roll, doubling down on "catch me if you can"

the article, i believe stated guns, but still not a fan

bill self-gee willikers, they said it was going to be a clean show...let the investigation begin

you've gotta be trolling me sully




What kind of music do you listen to?  Because many artists have crappy pasts and music other have never heard of.

I wonder what's different about Snoop?  Hmmmm.  It's a mystery.
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

rocket surgeon

  "Because many artists have crappy pasts and music other have never heard of."

oh, one of those, "they all do it" responses.  ok, i'll play along-gee sully, that may very well be, BUT most people don't revel off of their character flaws as the same people who would admonish(used very lightly) their enemies for say, degrading(ahem, most hypocrites in the #metoo thingy) women and being able to roll the best joint.  but thank you as i am starting an intensive review of my music playlist as we speak
felz Houston ate uncle boozie's hands

Cheeks

Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on October 05, 2019, 12:40:33 PM
Why? Both schools are members of the NCAA...both should be held to the same standard, don't you think?  I mean Adidas was in bed with KU when you were there too.  If you read the message boards, many of their fans see this as a big eff you to the NCAA.  You can't argue amateurism on one hand, and not be outraged at this, especially in light of all these violations.

If you are looking at crapshoots, start right here.  What's your message board handle over there so we can track your outrage? Absolutely indicative of the disdain many feel, including the legislatures. Long and Self should have been fired months ago.

I don't disagree at all that they should have been fired months ago, so should Miller at UA.  But it isn't quite that simple...but I think they will get theirs.  You don't think I am not outraged by it....LOL....of course I am.  Why do you think I also have a bug up my arse for one of our former coaches, too? 

I don't message over there or IU...I don't spend my time or emotions of fandom toward them, but that doesn't mean I approve of it.  I also hold MU to a much higher ethical standard.  Fair? 
"I hate everything about this job except the games, Everything. I don't even get affected anymore by the winning, by the ratings, those things. The trouble is, it will sound like an excuse because we've never won the national championship, but winning just isn't all that important to me." Al McGuire

Cheeks

Quote from: MU82 on October 05, 2019, 04:08:08 PM
I don't consider myself a "pearl clutcher," but I do think this was a pretty bad look for any university's official function.

Snoop and "strippers" makin' it rain? Some Scoopers really think that would be a good thing to do at our Madness?

It was really dumb, and optics look horrible.  Burn it to the ground.
"I hate everything about this job except the games, Everything. I don't even get affected anymore by the winning, by the ratings, those things. The trouble is, it will sound like an excuse because we've never won the national championship, but winning just isn't all that important to me." Al McGuire

Pakuni

Quote from: MU82 on October 05, 2019, 04:08:08 PM
I don't consider myself a "pearl clutcher," but I do think this was a pretty bad look for any university's official function.

Snoop and "strippers" makin' it rain? Some Scoopers really think that would be a good thing to do at our Madness?

That's fine, and I don't think any here is advocating for this at Marquette madness.
But the reaction from some quarters has been a little over the top. Fluffy nailed it ... "dumb and tacky." But that's all it was.

The Sultan

Quote from: rocket surgeon on October 05, 2019, 06:01:46 PM
  "Because many artists have crappy pasts and music other have never heard of."

oh, one of those, "they all do it" responses.  ok, i'll play along-gee sully, that may very well be, BUT most people don't revel off of their character flaws as the same people who would admonish(used very lightly) their enemies for say, degrading(ahem, most hypocrites in the #metoo thingy) women and being able to roll the best joint.  but thank you as i am starting an intensive review of my music playlist as we speak

I have no idea what you are even saying here.
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

Cheeks

Quote from: Pakuni on October 05, 2019, 06:20:16 PM
That's fine, and I don't think any here is advocating for this at Marquette madness.
But the reaction from some quarters has been a little over the top. Fluffy nailed it ... "dumb and tacky." But that's all it was.

In today's cancel culture, hyper sensitivity about just about everything, I am surprised women's groups, professors, etc, haven't already registered their ire.  I agree, dumb, tacky, bad optics, etc....but today you get sent to the slaughter for this kind of stuff.
"I hate everything about this job except the games, Everything. I don't even get affected anymore by the winning, by the ratings, those things. The trouble is, it will sound like an excuse because we've never won the national championship, but winning just isn't all that important to me." Al McGuire

Dr. Blackheart

Quote from: Cheeks on October 05, 2019, 06:10:41 PM
I don't message over there or IU...I don't spend my time or emotions of fandom toward them, but that doesn't mean I approve of it.  I also hold MU to a much higher ethical standard.  Fair?

It seems like we are not that off on the endgame.  However, you are/were on first name basis with Fred Glass and the KU ticket office. You were at IUAD when Bobby Knight was verbally and physically abusing people. Maybe you should share your outrage beyond Buzz Williams? The world would be a better place. Even out your outrage to all your roots.

KU is scum. It was scum when you were there. It was scum before you were there. The NCAA always had a blind eye. Now, they are what they earned--morally bankrupt.

#UnleashSean

Rocket calling anyone else a misogynist is like the pot calling the kettle black eh?

The Sultan

Quote from: #UnleashCain on October 05, 2019, 07:14:49 PM
Rocket calling anyone else a misogynist is like the pot calling the kettle black eh?

So to speak.
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

rocket surgeon

Quote from: #UnleashCain on October 05, 2019, 07:14:49 PM
Rocket calling anyone else a misogynist is like the pot calling the kettle black eh?

  of course you know i'm a lesbian, right? 

i don't know wtf you are alluding to here btw...might as well throw in racist too,  oh, what the hell, i hate everything, but you know, all of "my kind" do.  as a matter of fact, i'm wearing my confederate flag duluth trading buck naked undies as we speak and they don't stink ;)
felz Houston ate uncle boozie's hands

ZiggysFryBoy

I saw 2 live crew perform live last nght in a strip club. No lie.

Pakuni

Quote from: Cheeks on October 05, 2019, 07:13:14 PM
In today's cancel culture, hyper sensitivity about just about everything, I am surprised women's groups, professors, etc, haven't already registered their ire.  I agree, dumb, tacky, bad optics, etc....but today you get sent to the slaughter for this kind of stuff.

Nobody gets sent to the slaughter.  To the contrary, there's a lucrative cottage industry for guys who whine about how they're oppressed by cancel culture (see: Adam Carolla, Bill Burr). So oppressed they get Netflix specials.

withoutbias

all these snowflakes out there with their pc sjw bs. i miss the days when people could just be happy with success on the playing field and not worry about what was going on behind the scenes at schools. the days when joe pa could win national titles and larry nassar could send girls to the olympics and everyone could be happy with that. men could be men and do as they needed without hundreds of snowflakes coming out and complaining about what it took to keep them happy in their positions. millennials ruin everything.

The Sultan

Quote from: Cheeks on October 05, 2019, 07:13:14 PM
In today's cancel culture, hyper sensitivity about just about everything, I am surprised women's groups, professors, etc, haven't already registered their ire.  I agree, dumb, tacky, bad optics, etc....but today you get sent to the slaughter for this kind of stuff.

"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

lawdog77

To bring this full circle. What if Snoop wanted to pay a Marquette student athlete 20K to appear at his concerts and or videos. Would those who want these SA's to profit off their NIL have a problem with it?

The Sultan

Quote from: lawdog77 on October 05, 2019, 09:32:24 PM
To bring this full circle. What if Snoop wanted to pay a Marquette student athlete 20K to appear at his concerts and or videos. Would those who want these SA's to profit off their NIL have a problem with it?

Nope
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

Mutaman

Quote from: #UnleashCain on October 05, 2019, 07:14:49 PM
Rocket calling anyone else a misogynist is like the pot calling the kettle black eh?

Very black.

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