Well that was a waste

[WhiteTrash]

Whatever penalty gets, Self will be gone.  He'll either be in the NBA or announcing games.

Kansas will lose scholarships, have some banners stripped and miss a tournament, maybe two.

They'll be Final 4 contenders as fast as Louisville has become after "crippling sanctions and crimes".

See: 1988

It will be interesting to see what happens to Louisville this time around. They could/should be looking a 2-3 year post season ban.

[Uncle Rico]

It will be interesting to see what happens to Louisville this time around. They could/should be looking a 2-3 year post season ban.

All the coaches involved were fired and it hasn't hurt them in recruiting or on the court.  They got a great coach in Chris Mack to replace Pitino. 

If the NCAA and its members want to clean up the sport, Louisville should get the death penalty.  Multiple violations and more violations on top of the sex scandal. 

They'll get penalties but I'll be shocked if it's anything that cause long term problems for the school.  Basketball is too big at Louisville.  By hook and probably by crook, they'd be back faster than anyone thinks

[4everwarriors]

Maybee wheel have a bedder shot at Grimes now, hey?

[muguru]

Here is the notice of Allegations if anyone cares...

https://publicaffairs.ku.edu/sites/p...%20to%20KU.pdf

[MU82]

Whatever penalty gets, Self will be gone.  He'll either be in the NBA or announcing games.

Maybe he'll be spanked by some priests.

[Herman Cain]

Maybee wheel have a bedder shot at Grimes now, hey?

The KU charges relate to the recruitment of Billy Preston...

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ubIt94oLaBI

[Pakuni]

Whatever penalty gets, Self will be gone.  He'll either be in the NBA or announcing games.

Judging by KU's full-throated defense of Self in its initial response, I wouldn't be so sure.

[The Sultan]

To be honest, I think they are defending Self because they can shift the blame to the NCAA instead of the bad actors in place.  Many schools do this.  Penn State supporters blame the NCAA...USC...Louisville, etc.  It's a page out of that playbook.

[Dr. Blackheart]

To be honest, I think they are defending Self because they can shift the blame to the NCAA instead of the bad actors in place.  Many schools do this.  Penn State supporters blame the NCAA...USC...Louisville, etc.  It's a page out of that playbook.

Self is spinning so hard his toupee has become displaced.

[Uncle Rico]

Judging by KU's full-throated defense of Self in its initial response, I wouldn't be so sure.

I think that's the natural first response.  Maybe they go to the mat and fight to the bitter end. 

[brewcity77]

I think that's the natural first response.  Maybe they go to the mat and fight to the bitter end.

I think they will be watching Oklahoma City very close. If the Thunder miss the playoffs, I could see them back-channeling with Donovan in hopes of getting him to replace Self. They might fight right up until they know they have a star ready to replace their Hall of Famer.

[Uncle Rico]

I think they will be watching Oklahoma City very close. If the Thunder miss the playoffs, I could see them back-channeling with Donovan in hopes of getting him to replace Self. They might fight right up until they know they have a star ready to replace their Hall of Famer.

I said in a locked thread I thought that was a great place for Donovan.  Great job, expectations tempered during any NCAA investigation/penalty phase. 

[Pakuni]

I think they will be watching Oklahoma City very close. If the Thunder miss the playoffs, I could see them back-channeling with Donovan in hopes of getting him to replace Self. They might fight right up until they know they have a star ready to replace their Hall of Famer.

If the Thunder miss the playoffs?

[brewcity77]

If the Thunder miss the playoffs?

I expect they will, but if Donovan can pull off some magic, he could secure a longer NBA future.

[Pakuni]

I expect they will, but if Donovan can pull off some magic, he could secure a longer NBA future.

I would consider it magic if Donovan has that team outside the bottom 3 at the end of the season. That roster is gross.

[Billy Hoyle]

The KU charges relate to the recruitment of Billy Preston...

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ubIt94oLaBI

And Silvio DeSouza

[WhiteTrash]

Judging by KU's full-throated defense of Self in its initial response, I wouldn't be so sure.

In my opinion, I thought KU and Self's response was tame and generic. It seemed like I could have been reading Pitono and UofL's releases or maybe USC and Pete Carroll's.

Anyways, what would anyone expect? "Opps! you got us". Everyone is (claims to be) innocent at the beginning. Even Michigan State did. KU's and Self's words right now  carry as much weight as feather.

[Pakuni]

In my opinion, I thought KU and Self's response was tame and generic. It seemed like I could have been reading Pitono and UofL's releases or maybe USC and Pete Carroll's.

It's nothing like Louisville's response.
Here's the first and last sentence of UL's response:
"As parents and university leaders who care about every student who comes to the University of Louisville, we are heartbroken that inappropriate behavior took place here."
"The entire episode is a deep disappointment to all of us who love this university.  We appreciate the NCAA's efforts and we regret tremendously that this took place.  Everyone who works here knows it can never happen again.  We will continue to work cooperatively with the NCAA for the final resolution of this matter.""

Here's some of what Kansas had to say in its response after some general comments about the process::
"In the meantime, though, it is already clear from an initial review that the University will fiercely dispute in detail much of what has been presented."
"As for the allegations regarding Head Men's Basketball Coach Bill Self, voluminous evidence demonstrates uncontestably that he did, in fact, promote an atmosphere of compliance and fully monitor his staff. The University firmly and fully supports Coach Self and his staff."

Here's a link to both so you can read the full statements. Not similar.
https://gocards.com/news/2016/10/20/general-ncaa-notice-of-allegations-released.aspx
https://fox4kc.com/2019/09/23/kansas-responds-to-notice-of-allegations-from-ncaa/

I can't find USC's response at the moment, but given that Pete Caroll was coaching the Seahawks when they got the NCAA notice, I doubt the school gave him its unqualified support.

[WhiteTrash]

It's nothing like Louisville's response.

From 2015 when the process started that stripped Louisville of a National Championship:
"Pitino said on October 2 that when the story broke, he "questioned everybody, if anybody even has a little knowledge or hearsay or seen anybody. And everybody to the person, 15 people, said they had no knowledge of anything, never seen anything."
Louisville athletic director Tom Jurich backs his coach.
"He has a long-term contract," Jurich said Tuesday through Louisville spokesman Kenny Klein. "He absolutely did not know anything about these allegations."

Seems to my that Self's main defense is lack of knowledge. I'm seeing some similarities.

[Pakuni]

From 2015 when the process started that stripped Louisville of a National Championship:
"Pitino said on October 2 that when the story broke, he "questioned everybody, if anybody even has a little knowledge or hearsay or seen anybody. And everybody to the person, 15 people, said they had no knowledge of anything, never seen anything."
Louisville athletic director Tom Jurich backs his coach.
"He has a long-term contract," Jurich said Tuesday through Louisville spokesman Kenny Klein. "He absolutely did not know anything about these allegations."

Seems to my that Self's main defense is lack of knowledge. I'm seeing some similarities.

Apples to oranges. You're comparing what Louisville said a year or more before the notice of allegations to what Kansas said after the notice of allegations.
Which is silly, because we know what Louisville said after the notice of allegations and it's not at all similar to how Kansas responded.

[MU82]

I always love the ignorance defense.

Coach goes to a recruit's home and tells the parents that he knows absolutely everything that goes on in his program and that he will personally take care of their precious baby.

But then, when crud happens, he's Sgt. Schultz.

[wadesworld]

I'll admit I haven't followed this thread.  I just came to say that if Marquette isn't able to make the Final Four this year I'm really hoping Kansas wins the National Title as they're going through the process of appealing level 1 NCAA violations, Silvio De Sousa wins MOP, and the other 3 Final Four teams are Auburn, LSU, and Arizona.

[WhiteTrash]

Apples to oranges. You're comparing what Louisville said a year or more before the notice of allegations to what Kansas said after the notice of allegations.
Which is silly, because we know what Louisville said after the notice of allegations and it's not at all similar to how Kansas responded.

I stand corrected. My original position was based upon the passionate claims of innocence all schools and coaches make when allegations arise. In this case you are correct.

Still, would you not agree that it makes sense that KU and Self are going to fight this like hell. I think Self likes to think of himself as one of the greats of college coaching and this is a huge blow to his reputation. Likewise, KU's only claim to fame as an institute of higher learning is the men's basketball team. KU is nothing without basketball. They will spend every last dollar to fight this.

[The Sultan]

Kansas has a very good reputation as a national public university.  It's more than just a basketball program, but basketball is its best marketing tool.

[WhiteTrash]

Kansas has a very good reputation as a national public university.  It's more than just a basketball program, but basketball is its best marketing tool.

My wife looked up admission requirements for KU this past weekend (we have a HS junior) and it was something like 2.0 gpa and a 21 ACT. That all I have to say.