Buzz

[Lennys Tap]

Buzz was the main recruiter on Taylor. Was it Tyshawn that went up to Buzz in the stands when both played at the same tournament site?

Of course - but Chico has a false narrative he's selling - so any lie that bolsters it is embraced wholeheartedly. It's how the man rolls.

[Cheeks]

This is a lie and you know it's a lie.

First, Taylor never "left". He was never here. He signed a letter of intent with us when his admitted dream school didn't offer (they were out of scholarships). Crean left in the spring and we released Taylor. Kansas (the school he always wanted) now had a scholarship available so he went where he always wanted to go. Had zero, nothing, nada to do with "wanting no part of Buzz". On one hand, you're the biggest moralizer on Scoop. On the other, you constantly tell lies that you know are lies. Cura Personalis, my ass.

He chose not to come to MU and his coach, Hurley, politely said they didn't know much about Buzz, etc.  He ended up meeting Buzz and still decided to leave.  Sorry, no lie.  He committed to play for MU...you can get cute and say he was never here, but he would have been if Crean didn't leave.  Thus, TT made a choice not to stay because Buzz was the coach.  I'm going to guess per Mutaman it was because TT was racist or something.

Taylor wants out.  http://www.crackedsidewalks.com/2008/04/tyshawn-taylor-wants-out.html

[Cheeks]

Buzz was the main recruiter on Taylor. Was it Tyshawn that went up to Buzz in the stands when both played at the same tournament site?

That is true, but Hurley also said TT wanted release in the event they didn't like the hire.  MU hired Buzz, they met again and TT wanted out.  Many articles to support this with quotes from those involved....Lenny calls these lies.  So cute.

[Mutaman]

This is a lie and you know it's a lie.

First, Taylor never "left". He was never here. He signed a letter of intent with us when his admitted dream school didn't offer (they were out of scholarships). Crean left in the spring and we released Taylor. Kansas (the school he always wanted) now had a scholarship available so he went where he always wanted to go. Had zero, nothing, nada to do with "wanting no part of Buzz". On one hand, you're the biggest moralizer on Scoop. On the other, you constantly tell lies that you know are lies. Cura Personalis, my ass.

Bingo. The big joke re Taylor was that Bobby Hurley was on the phone to marquette demanding that Taylor be released from his scholarship/letter  before the Marquette players even heard the news re Crean's departure. 

[Lennys Tap]

No one knows, and Wes also said plenty of positive things about Crean over the years....the Buzz love birds so over dramatize that.

Really? I've honestly never seen Crean (by name anyway) mentioned by Wesley.

He was crystal clear, however, of what he thought of him as he concluded his MU career.  Senior Day, in front of 18,000+ fans and media, Wesley simultaneously ripped the guy who recruited him and coached him for 3 years and tipped his hat to Buzz, his coach for but one season. When he publicly celebrated Buzz's removal of the chains he'd worn for the three previous years, his opinion of both men was evident. No over dramatization. Just fact.

[Mutaman]

No over dramatization. Just fact.

This is where you made your big mistake. Facts are meaningless in Chicos' world.

[Lennys Tap]

That is true, but Hurley also said TT wanted release in the event they didn't like the hire.  MU hired Buzz, they met again and TT wanted out.  Many articles to support this with quotes from those involved....Lenny calls these lies.  So cute.

Please tell me you're not this dumb. Taylor couldn't believe his good fortune when Crean left. Kansas had an opening and were calling. Ty and Hurley knew immediately that Ty was going to KU. Any meeting and/or concern about who the coach was was PR to make the decision seem to be one thought about long and hard by player and coach. Smokescreen, everybody with a brain knew it.

[Cheeks]

Please tell me you're not this dumb. Taylor couldn't believe his good fortune when Crean left. Kansas had an opening and were calling. Ty and Hurley knew immediately that Ty was going to KU. Any meeting and/or concern about who the coach was was PR to make the decision seem to be one thought about long and hard by player and coach. Smokescreen, everybody with a brain knew it.

So his mom was lying?  Who is the dumb one?


"A lot of people probably didn't think we would be in this situation," said Taylor, a 6-foot-3 freshman guard out of Hoboken, N.J.

After leading St. Anthony High through an undefeated state championship season as a senior, Taylor was prepared to attend Marquette. But following a workout on April 1, 2008, a friend told Taylor that coach Tom Crean had left Marquette to take the coaching job at Indiana.

"It was like a disaster," said Jeanell Taylor, Tyshawn's mother. "It was just a deep hurting feeling of, 'OK, now what am I going to do?'"

[Cheeks]

Really? I've honestly never seen Crean (by name anyway) mentioned by Wesley.

He was crystal clear, however, of what he thought of him as he concluded his MU career.  Senior Day, in front of 18,000+ fans and media, Wesley simultaneously ripped the guy who recruited him and coached him for 3 years and tipped his hat to Buzz, his coach for but one season. When he publicly celebrated Buzz's removal of the chains he'd worn for the three previous years, his opinion of both men was evident. No over dramatization. Just fact.

You make it sound as if that was the only fact....of course at the 100th season celebration when Buzz didn't show and Crean and Wes did....

At any rate, so you never heard him mention him by name....have you tried Google....I can show you how to use it and then you can say wow, Wes actually did mention Crean publicly and in a positive manner.  So did Novak, Wade, McNeal, etc.  But it's ok, I know he's not your guy.

[ZiggysFryBoy]

Point plankin, y'all.

[Lennys Tap]

You make it sound as if that was the only fact....of course at the 100th season celebration when Buzz didn't show and Crean and Wes did....

At any rate, so you never heard him mention him by name....have you tried Google....I can show you how to use it and the. You can say wow, Wes actually did mention Crean publicly and in a positive manner.

By all means produce the glowing quotes by Wes. You didn't hesitate to produce a meaningless one from Ty Taylor's Mom. LOL.

[Pakuni]

Methinks some memories from an event more than a decade old are being influenced by present agendas.
Source: Science.

[Cheeks]

By all means produce the glowing quotes by Wes. You didn't hesitate to produce a meaningless one from Ty Taylor's Mom. LOL.

Meaningless?  It completely destroys your fairy tale.  The kid was hurting, he was going to play for MU and felt jilted....but I'm sure the mom was lying.

No, I am not going to find the quotes for you....it is much more fun watching you do it.  But a few bread crumbs will suggest you start in 2017 with a Mavericks article and you can go from there for the other ones.  Nighty night

[JWags85]

Methinks some memories from an event more than a decade old are being influenced by present agendas.
Source: Science.

It's written in Mark Strotman's write up of Senior Day at the time. It's not all just based on memory. I'll find a link to it if you really need the proof.

And again, I'm not a Crean hater, nor do I think Wes hates/hated him. But he did feel he was underutilized and Buzz's change in offense sprung him free. That's factual. So is him specifically calling that out. And that's a large part of that season that doesn't happen if Crean stays in charge

[The Sultan]

Methinks some memories from an event more than a decade old are being influenced by present agendas.
Source: Science.

Gee ya think?  Cheeks and Lennys are at it again.  Round 7,839,098. 

They can't see to help it.

[Pakuni]

It's written in Mark Strotman's write up of Senior Day at the time. It's not all just based on memory. I'll find a link to it if you really need the proof

OK.

[TallTitan34]

I also remember Wes thanking Buzz for "unleashing him". I don't remember if it was senior night or the awards banquet but he definitely said that.  He didn't mention Crean directly but it was pretty clearly directed at him.

[Lennys Tap]

It's written in Mark Strotman's write up of Senior Day at the time. It's not all just based on memory. I'll find a link to it if you really need the proof.

And again, I'm not a Crean hater, nor do I think Wes hates/hated him. But he did feel he was underutilized and Buzz's change in offense sprung him free. That's factual. So is him specifically calling that out. And that's a large part of that season that doesn't happen if Crean stays in charge

Thanks Wags. Methinks that some memories are just recalling facts that really happened. Others....

[Dr. Blackheart]

Here is the Taylor connection to the Hurleys and Joe Dooley who recruited him at Kansas. Perhaps if TT was so in love with CTC, he could have followed Nick Williams to Bloomington?  If only the Hurleys didn't get in the way.

https://www.theday.com/article/20181015/SPORT07/181019592

As Jerel said recently, perhaps these players appreciated both coaches? I too was in KC when Taylor embraced Buzz and then TT sat with him all game.

[MU82]

Isn't it possible that both Crean and Buzz were good for Marquette during their times at our beloved alma mater?

As a guy who has been a big Wojo supporter but whose confidence in Wojo was shaken some by Hausershima, I hope to one day be talking about how good Wojo is/was for Marquette, too.

With very few exceptions, coaches move on. I think some forget that even Al tried to leave for the Bucks ... and if the same situation happened in this era, he would have ... and because of that he wouldn't be Saint Al today.

[The Lens]

The Taylors and Hurley were opportunistic...as soon as they saw an opening they pounced on it.  We could have hired Coach K and they would have pushed to get to Kansas. 

How did Buzz handle losing a major recruit, he went to 5 straight NCAAs.

Meanwhile TC was ducking plants, needlessly throwing kids off his team to buy himself time and sadly losing in the S16 to deprive us of the greatest E8 game of all time.

[MUfan12]

The Taylors and Hurley were opportunistic...as soon as they saw an opening they pounced on it.

This is absolutely correct.

[StillAWarrior]

Isn't it possible that both Crean and Buzz were good for Marquette...

That's crazy talk.  How and the hell can we wring a six-page argument out of that.  Who am I kidding?  We can find a way.

[The Sultan]

That's crazy talk.  How and the hell can we wring a six-page argument out of that.  Who am I kidding?  We can find a way.

I would argue that Buzz deserves 56.4% of the credit, and Tom Crean only 43.6% of the credit.

Fight me.

[StillAWarrior]

I would argue that Buzz deserves 56.4% of the credit, and Tom Crean only 43.6% of the credit.

Fight me.

You're an idiot.  I've got Buzz at 46.3%, Crean at 42.8% and dumb luck at 10.9%.