Buzz

[ZiggysFryBoy]

Eloquently put, Robespierre.

Thanks, David Duke.

[tower912]

My biggest concern about Wojo is he reminds me of Crean as a coach.   Vanilla.  I like the A to B image.  Unable to make a team more than the sum of it's parts.   Unbalanced rosters.

Crean is decent.   Can build a program.   Can't get it to an elite level without one of the top players of all time.  Can't hold Buzz's clipboard from a coaching standpoint.

Can Wojo be more?

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

My biggest concern about Wojo is he reminds me of Crean as a coach.   Vanilla.  I like the A to B image.  Unable to make a team more than the sum of it's parts.   Unbalanced rosters.

Crean is decent.   Can build a program.   Can't get it to an elite level without one of the top players of all time.  Can't hold Buzz's clipboard from a coaching standpoint.

Can Wojo be more?

Yep.  Full agreement here.  I find myself having similar frustrations from a coaching standpoint with Wojo as I did with Crean.  Wojo isn't a bad coach.  I would even say he's a "good" coach.  But is he any better than that?  Not yet.

[🏀]

Have you seen the current roster????

Bow ties are back!

[🏀]

Indiana fans were tired of anyone who was not Bob Knight.  You also have to take into account the program he inherited at MU (14-15, Krunti Hester as the only recruit) and what he inherited at Indiana (1 returning player who has actually scored in a game, a walk-on, extremely limited off-campus recruiting due to probation) when taking into account his records.  And while he lost in the Sweet 16, each time that team went on to the Final Four (one to the finals, one won it all).

3 outright conference titles, 4 Sweet 16's, one Final Four, no NCAA visits to campus. I'll take that over Buzz or KO.  Buzz inherited a BMW X5 at MU, Crean inherited a Ford Escort.

Billy sure has his finger on the pulse of IU, wonder if he's been banned from Peegs too?

[4everwarriors]

Have you seen the current roster????

Photoshopped, hey?

[Cheeks]

Crean wasn't consistent. The Cowboy was.

O'Neill had us headed for greatness, had he held his ego and his mouth in check. Maybe he could have caught lightening in a bottle, like the Tanned One did. Maybe not. But I really believe he turned us back in the direction we needed to go.

No O'Neill. We're Loyola of Chicago forever and we're playing UWM twice a year.

How was the cowboy consistent his last year?

[Cheeks]

I'm not a Crean hater but this is lunacy.  Maybe if Crean was the AD.  He peaked at Marquette and thats why he left.  He knew it.  He made a FF with probably the best player in program history and a consensus top 20-25 player in NBA history.  He didn't sniff those heights again in 4 years after.

Buzz made 3 straight S16s, was a terrible shooting game away from the F4 in 2013.  He was set up to continue that path before he quit on the program.

Crean helped transform the program but leveraging lightning in a bottle into a BEast invite.  He's a MU legend for that alone.  But there is way less what-if to him than Buzz.  We got 4 years off backside relative decline from his peak to assess that.  Both parties were better off with his parting in the long run.

Buzz’s first year, if Crean stays team would have been even better in my opinion.  Tyshawn Taylor would be at Marquette and DJ’s backup.  DJ’s injury becomes more manageable problem at the end, load management, etc, but he wanted no part of Buzz and left.  That hurt and people don’t recognize that impact.  So I disagree with your peak statement, that last team of his would have been off the charts.

As for IU, those type of jobs don’t come around very often and he went for it.  He won two Big Ten titles, three Sweet 16’s, got to number 1.  Won more Big Ten titles than any IU coach last twenty years and I believe during his tenure only Izzo has more...have to double check that. IU fans demanded Archie get fired last year, they are more unhinges then our own so I don’t see their nonsense the last 20 years as anything other than typical IU fandom craziness.  They (we ... I am an IU alum, too) haven’t been a force since Knight’s 4 or 5 years before Knight left and had one major crapshoot run in the 20 years since. Maybe Archie is the guy, but they already want his head.

[Jables1604]

IBTL

[Cheeks]

Hanging at the Al?

This might be the first thread that could be moved from the Superbar.

I prefer it stay around for all to see Mutaman’s racial slur and accusation. 

[Cheeks]

Billy sure has his finger on the pulse of IU, wonder if he's been banned from Peegs too?

Fail.  You simply are wrong on every level here, but comical to watch.

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

Buzz’s first year, if Crean stays team would have been even better in my opinion.  Tyshawn Taylor would be at Marquette and DJ’s backup.  DJ’s injury becomes more manageable problem at the end, load management, etc, but he wanted no part of Buzz and left.  That hurt and people don’t recognize that impact.  So I disagree with your peak statement, that last team of his would have been off the charts.

Who's taking Butler's nearly 20 mpg?

[JWags85]

Who's taking Butler's nearly 20 mpg?

Wes Matthews doesn't explode and become 2nd team All-BE if Crean stays either.  He said as much himself.

No Butler, a less productive Matthews.  They would have been better at PG after DJ went down, but he was playing 30+ minutes all year.  So Taylor would have been splitting time with Acker and then thrust into a critical role at the end of the season after limited run.  He played plenty his first year at KU, he wasn't a world beater/difference maker.  I'm not seeing an "off the charts" team

[tower912]

Maybe Crean gives in to Mbakwe's salary request.

[BM1090]

Wes Matthews doesn't explode and become 2nd team All-BE if Crean stays either.  He said as much himself.

No Butler, a less productive Matthews.  They would have been better at PG after DJ went down, but he was playing 30+ minutes all year.  So Taylor would have been splitting time with Acker and then thrust into a critical role at the end of the season after limited run.  He played plenty his first year at KU, he wasn't a world beater/difference maker.  I'm not seeing an "off the charts" team

I do mostly agree that we were better without Crean, but we were actually better on Kenpom in Crean's last year than in Buzz's first. To be fair, I don't know how much our ranking dropped the last 6 games.

[Pakuni]

Wes Matthews doesn't explode and become 2nd team All-BE if Crean stays either.  He said as much himself.team

Where did Wes say this?

[JWags85]

Where did Wes say this?

In his Senior Day speech, he gave credit to Buzz for unleashing him, or removing the chains.  Something like that.  Basically acknowledging he got attention and focus in the offense he hadnt prior in Crean's system

[Mutaman]

I prefer it stay around for all to see Mutaman’s racial slur and accusation.

I may have some bad qualities but one things for sure, if I ever get expelled from Scoop for being an pretty boy, I will go quietly- won't see me get down on my hands and knees begging to be taken back. Won't see me try to weasel my way back on by posting under phony names. But that's just me.

[rocket surgeon]

I may have some bad qualities but one things for sure, if I ever get expelled from Scoop for being an pretty boy, I will go quietly- won't see me get down on my hands and knees begging to be taken back. Won't see me try to weasel my way back on by posting under phony names. But that's just me.

  noooooo $hit ...security!!

[HouWarrior]

Hanging at the Al?

This might be the first thread that could be moved from the Superbar.

This ...except for some to be expected insult hurling this review of MU coaches merits a rare move from Superbar to Hangin' at the Al

[Billy Hoyle]

Billy sure has his finger on the pulse of IU, wonder if he's been banned from Peegs too?

What’s Peegs? I hope I haven’t been banned from a place I’ve never gone. I’ve on,y been banned anywhere for trying to back half eaten fruit.

[Lennys Tap]

Tyshawn Taylor would be at Marquette but he wanted no part of Buzz and left. 

This is a lie and you know it's a lie.

First, Taylor never "left". He was never here. He signed a letter of intent with us when his admitted dream school didn't offer (they were out of scholarships). Crean left in the spring and we released Taylor. Kansas (the school he always wanted) now had a scholarship available so he went where he always wanted to go. Had zero, nothing, nada to do with "wanting no part of Buzz". On one hand, you're the biggest moralizer on Scoop. On the other, you constantly tell lies that you know are lies. Cura Personalis, my ass.

[cheebs09]

This is a lie and you know it's a lie.

First, Taylor never "left". He was never here. He signed a letter of intent with us when his admitted dream school didn't offer (they were out of scholarships). Crean left in the spring and we released Taylor. Kansas (the school he always wanted) now had a scholarship available so he went where he always wanted to go. Had zero, nothing, nada to do with "wanting no part of Buzz". On one hand, your the biggest moralizer on Scoop. On the other, you constantly tell lies that you know are lies. Cura Personalis, my ass.

Buzz was the main recruiter on Taylor. Was it Tyshawn that went up to Buzz in the stands when both played at the same tournament site?

[Lennys Tap]

My biggest concern about Wojo is he reminds me of Crean as a coach.   Vanilla.  I like the A to B image.  Unable to make a team more than the sum of it's parts.   Unbalanced rosters.

Crean is decent.   Can build a program.   Can't get it to an elite level without one of the top players of all time.  Can't hold Buzz's clipboard from a coaching standpoint.

Can Wojo be more?

Good analysis.

Can Wojo be more? This year (on the floor and in recruiting) will go a long way toward answering the question.

[Cheeks]

Wes Matthews doesn't explode and become 2nd team All-BE if Crean stays either.  He said as much himself.

No Butler, a less productive Matthews.  They would have been better at PG after DJ went down, but he was playing 30+ minutes all year.  So Taylor would have been splitting time with Acker and then thrust into a critical role at the end of the season after limited run.  He played plenty his first year at KU, he wasn't a world beater/difference maker.  I'm not seeing an "off the charts" team

No one knows, and Wes also said plenty of positive things about Crean over the years....the Buzz love birds so over dramatize that.  TT didn’t have to be a world beater that year at KU and certainly not at MU either... we needed a backup point guard and when our PG went down that was a killer.  When DJ went down, it was over.  Period.  I like my chances with a future NBA PG then what we had.  We will never know how it turns out.