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jesmu84

If you have any friends or family there, I'd suggest telling them to leave as soon as possible based on the video leaked out today:

https://www.reddit.com/r/gifs/comments/cpj9g3/disturbing_video_taken_in_shenzhen_just_across/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share

The Sultan

This is the inevitable ending right? 
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

jsglow

This does not look good.

🏀

Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on August 12, 2019, 08:15:18 PM
This is the inevitable ending right? 

Of Hong Kong or the world?

The Sultan

Hong Kong.  You really think anyone outside is going to do anything beyond the symbolic if this comes to a violent end?
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

MU82

I thought FBM was talking about the inevitable ending of this thread.
"It's not how white men fight." - Tucker Carlson

"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." - George Washington

"In a time of deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell

ATL MU Warrior

Thoughts and Prayers Hong Kong. Thoughts and Prayers

🏀

Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on August 12, 2019, 09:14:29 PM
Hong Kong.  You really think anyone outside is going to do anything beyond the symbolic if this comes to a violent end?

Just checking.

Jockey

It used to be the job of Western leaders to stand up for freedom.

Hards Alumni

Quote from: Jockey on August 12, 2019, 09:38:29 PM
It used to be the job of Western leaders to stand up for freedom.

Ours has a different job now.

Cheeks

Politics and of course nothing will be done
"I hate everything about this job except the games, Everything. I don't even get affected anymore by the winning, by the ratings, those things. The trouble is, it will sound like an excuse because we've never won the national championship, but winning just isn't all that important to me." Al McGuire

JWags85

Hong Kong was an incredibly unique place. Geographically, ideologically, and most importantly, culturally. It's been a steady decline in the latter over the last 20 years and it appears China got fully bored with the gradual approach. I am supposed to travel there in late September for a large and important trade show. That's very much in question now.  Beyond that, my industry is one of many that if HK is to become fully China controlled, will cease to exist there.

Funny enough, I write this from Singapore, which reminds me of a lot of what I love about HK. Though not as free wheeling and fun

Hards Alumni

Quote from: Cheeks on August 12, 2019, 10:17:59 PM
Politics and of course nothing will be done

Oh shut up.  You cry more than anyone, yet you join in every. single. time.

You don't get to play it both ways.  Hit your report button, and shut up if it bothers you so damn much.

***Spoiler alert: It doesn't bother you one bit, it excites you***

Benny B

Quote from: Hards_Alumni on August 12, 2019, 10:00:22 PM
Ours has a different job now.

Not to mention he's from the East Coast. 
Quote from: LittleMurs on January 08, 2015, 07:10:33 PM
Wow, I'm very concerned for Benny.  Being able to mimic Myron Medcalf's writing so closely implies an oncoming case of dementia.

Jockey

Quote from: Benny B on August 12, 2019, 11:55:28 PM
Not to mention he's from the East Coast.

Took me a minute on this one :(

WarriorFan

Quote from: JWags85 on August 12, 2019, 10:22:55 PM
Hong Kong was an incredibly unique place. Geographically, ideologically, and most importantly, culturally. It's been a steady decline in the latter over the last 20 years and it appears China got fully bored with the gradual approach. I am supposed to travel there in late September for a large and important trade show. That's very much in question now.  Beyond that, my industry is one of many that if HK is to become fully China controlled, will cease to exist there.

Funny enough, I write this from Singapore, which reminds me of a lot of what I love about HK. Though not as free wheeling and fun

Yep... key word is "Was".
I'm actually surprised it took 22 years for this to happen... that the people didn't get pissed off like this and that China hasn't broken their agreement.

Culturally, the place is already ruined by the mainlanders.  I expect it to be nothing more than a "free trade zone" within a couple years and then full control not long after that. 
"The meaning of life isn't gnashing our bicuspids over what comes after death but tasting the tiny moments that come before it."

The Sultan

So my statement wasn't meant to be political. There really is little western leaders can do. This isn't Russia, with a relatively small and one dimensional economy. China is huge and intertwined with the west even more than it was during the Tienamin Square days. That's why I think these protesters have been heading down the wrong path for awhile now.
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

#UnleashSean

Quote from: Jockey on August 12, 2019, 09:38:29 PM
It used to be the job of Western leaders to stand up for freedom.

Damned if ya do, damned if ya don't I guess.

mu03eng

Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on August 13, 2019, 06:37:49 AM
So my statement wasn't meant to be political. There really is little western leaders can do. This isn't Russia, with a relatively small and one dimensional economy. China is huge and intertwined with the west even more than it was during the Tienamin Square days. That's why I think these protesters have been heading down the wrong path for awhile now.

Curious as to what the right path is? If anyone in the world today is playing 4 dimensional chess its China. It may not have wanted a trade war but if it's got one on its hands it might as well use it as cover to absorb HK and its billions in GDP potential. Only way to prevent it is to expose it but I'm sure even that wont work because society is slowly losing the will to help each other
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Benny B

Quote from: Jockey on August 13, 2019, 12:42:36 AM
Took me a minute on this one :(

Happen a lot these days?
Quote from: LittleMurs on January 08, 2015, 07:10:33 PM
Wow, I'm very concerned for Benny.  Being able to mimic Myron Medcalf's writing so closely implies an oncoming case of dementia.

tower912

I agree that the surprise is that it took so long.   China is powerful enough that there really are no options.
Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.

The Sultan

Quote from: mu03eng on August 13, 2019, 06:57:25 AM
Curious as to what the right path is? If anyone in the world today is playing 4 dimensional chess its China. It may not have wanted a trade war but if it's got one on its hands it might as well use it as cover to absorb HK and its billions in GDP potential. Only way to prevent it is to expose it but I'm sure even that wont work because society is slowly losing the will to help each other


Anyone in Hong Kong who doesn't have an escape plan of some sort isn't really a good student of history.
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

4everwarriors

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Quote from: JWags85 on August 12, 2019, 10:22:55 PM
Hong Kong was an incredibly unique place. Geographically, ideologically, and most importantly, culturally. It's been a steady decline in the latter over the last 20 years and it appears China got fully bored with the gradual approach. I am supposed to travel there in late September for a large and important trade show. That's very much in question now.  Beyond that, my industry is one of many that if HK is to become fully China controlled, will cease to exist there.

Funny enough, I write this from Singapore, which reminds me of a lot of what I love about HK. Though not as free wheeling and fun

I was supposed to go this fall but it got postponed to 2020 because I had more pressing issues with customer in Singapore, Malaysia and India.
I was looking forward to going to HK but forgot about the protests.

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