If destination is UW

[Goose]

Tall Titan

Travis Deiner said Sam was already an all time great at MU.

[Billy Hoyle]

If he scored as many points next year as he did this year, he'd rank 4th all time in scoring at Marquette. Pile on an all-conference nod and perhaps a deep tourney run, and he'd have been remembered very fondly by the MU faithful.

He's a good player, but scoring in today's game (only 12.7 career average too after starting all three years) doesn't vault one above many who came before him.  There are many we remember fondly, but not as "great." Other than all conference second team and nominations for some awards, Hauser, he hasn't really stood out. 

Good? Sure. Remembered fondly? Probably (many are). All-time great? Hardly.  I could name 20 off the top of my head in my 25 years as a MU fan I would put above Hauser right now.

[The Sultan]

He's a good player, but scoring in today's game (only 12.7 career average too after starting all three years) doesn't vault one above many who came before him.  There are many we remember fondly, but not as "great." Other than all conference second team and nominations for some awards, Hauser, he hasn't really stood out. 

Good? Sure. Remembered fondly? Probably (many are). All-time great? Hardly.  I could name 20 off the top of my head in my 25 years as a MU fan I would put above Hauser right now.

I'd like to see that list.

[Goose]

Billy

I would like to hear your list of twenty you take over Sam. Just curious, how does Howard rank in your all time MU list?

[Billy Hoyle]

I'd like to see that list.

90': Tony Smith, Mac, Key, Miller, Crawford, Amal, Hutch, Wardle
2000's: Wade, Diener, Novak, Wes, DJ, Jerel, Lazar, DJO, Crowder, Butler, Markus.

So Sam comes out at 20 (I put him just barely ahead of Cordell, even though Cordell was the second leading scorer on the 2001-02 NCAA tourney team.

This is not a rank in order, but rather chronological, though obviously, it starts with Wade. I'd put Marcus in the 5-7 range. 

[The Sultan]

FWIW, here is my list of players I would take ahead of Sam from the past 25 years (not in any particular order):

1. Wade
2. McNeal
3. Matthews
4. James
5. Travis
6. Markus
7. Wardle
8. Jae
9. Lazar
10. Novak
11. Hutch
12. Butler
13. DJO

[LoudMouth]

Not sure if this has been talked about, honestly haven't read a word of this thread..my apologies. BUT If they go to Madison, Sam's only game against us will be at the FF in 2 years. Will he/they be boo'd or applauded?

[The Sultan]

90': Tony Smith, Mac, Key, Miller, Crawford, Amal, Hutch, Wardle
2000's: Wade, Diener, Novak, Wes, DJ, Jerel, Lazar, DJO, Crowder, Butler, Markus.

So Sam comes out at 20 (I put him just barely ahead of Cordell, even though Cordell was the second leading scorer on the 2001-02 NCAA tourney team.

This is not a rank in order, but rather chronological, though obviously, it starts with Wade. I'd put Marcus in the 5-7 range. 

Tony Smith last played for MU in 1990 so he falls outside the 25 year range.  If you really want to get hyper-technical, so do Key and Mac.  And I don't have players like Amal and Chris Crawford up there with Sam.  I think Sam better than both.

[The Sultan]

Not sure if this has been talked about, honestly haven't read a word of this thread..my apologies. BUT If they go to Madison, Sam's only game against us will be at the FF in 2 years. Will he/they be boo'd or applauded?

Of course they will be booed.  Without question.

[NickelDimer]

Not sure if this has been talked about, honestly haven't read a word of this thread..my apologies. BUT If they go to Madison, Sam's only game against us will be at the FF in 2 years. Will he/they be boo'd or applauded?

Depends on what happens next season. If we flame out he'll get blamed so he'll get boo'd. If we have a great season the fans will be somewhat gracious imo

[We R Final Four]

Not sure if this has been talked about, honestly haven't read a word of this thread..my apologies. BUT If they go to Madison, Sam's only game against us will be at the FF in 2 years. Will he/they be boo'd or applauded?

They will be booed loudly if they go to UW....and rightly so.

[Goose]

Billy and Fluff

Did you see all of these guys play?

[The Sultan]

Billy and Fluff

Did you see all of these guys play?

Yeah.  Pretty much every single one of their games.  Sam is a good player.  Who on my list would you put behind Sam?  IMO the only one that's questionable is Brian Wardle.

[Billy Hoyle]

Tony Smith last played for MU in 1990 so he falls outside the 25 year range.  If you really want to get hyper-technical, so do Key and Mac.  And I don't have players like Amal and Chris Crawford up there with Sam.  I think Sam better than both.

Key and Mac finished in 1994, that's 25 years.  Tony, ok. I hear you there.

The thing with players like Crawford and Amal is that their stats were depressed because of the systems they played in. Both led us to NCAA wins, were on conference title teams and were drafted and played in the NBA. I think Crawford could have averaged nearly 20 a game playing for an MU coach other than Deane.

[Billy Hoyle]

Billy and Fluff

Did you see all of these guys play?

All but Tony (at least in person)

[KampusFoods]

Yeah.  Pretty much every single one of their games.  Sam is a good player.  Who on my list would you put behind Sam?  IMO the only one that's questionable is Brian Wardle.

I will be floored if Goose says Sam is better than any of the guys on your list. But it would definitely fit his narrative.

[Goose]

Kampus

There is a lot of talking points involved in rating players. To me, aside from Wade, is the size of the body of work. There are a number of guys on there that had one or two exceptional years, but not four year career. With just a quick look at the list, the four names noted by Fluff come to mind, but would definitely say Amal and Crawford, by a wide margin. Again, we are talking MU career, not post MU career.

[KampusFoods]

Kampus

There is a lot of talking points involved in rating players. To me, aside from Wade, is the size of the body of work. There are a number of guys on there that had one or two exceptional years, but not four year career. With just a quick look at the list, the four names noted by Fluff come to mind, but would definitely say Amal and Crawford, by a wide margin. Again, we are talking MU career, not post MU career.

Yes - I was talking about the guys on Fluffy's 13 person list. Also, I would currently classify Sam as one of those players who had one or two exceptional years. Wouldn't you?

[Galway Eagle]

Kampus

There is a lot of talking points involved in rating players. To me, aside from Wade, is the size of the body of work. There are a number of guys on there that had one or two exceptional years, but not four year career. With just a quick look at the list, the four names noted by Fluff come to mind, but would definitely say Amal and Crawford, by a wide margin. Again, we are talking MU career, not post MU career.

To be fair Sam will not have had a four year career either. That at least throws Butler and DJO in the mix

[MUDPT]

Jeff Goodman
@GoodmanHoops

Marquette transfers Sam and Joey Hauser confirm to me they will visit Wisconsin on April 26, Michigan State on May 3 and Virginia on May 17. Also intend to set up visit to Iowa. Will obviously be a huge addition for anyone.

"Visiting" this weekend means coming for Mifflin, which Sam was at last year anyway.

[Cheeks]

Tony Smith last played for MU in 1990 so he falls outside the 25 year range.  If you really want to get hyper-technical, so do Key and Mac.  And I don't have players like Amal and Chris Crawford up there with Sam.  I think Sam better than both.

Amal and Crawford both made the NBA.  Doesn't mean they were better college players, but they did reach the highest level. 

[Mr. Sand-Knit]

I hope to hell they go to UW, then we can drive past and dunk on the Hauser boys rather than our opponents driving past and dunking on us!!!!!!

[Herman Cain]

90': Tony Smith, Mac, Key, Miller, Crawford, Amal, Hutch, Wardle
2000's: Wade, Diener, Novak, Wes, DJ, Jerel, Lazar, DJO, Crowder, Butler, Markus.

So Sam comes out at 20 (I put him just barely ahead of Cordell, even though Cordell was the second leading scorer on the 2001-02 NCAA tourney team.

This is not a rank in order, but rather chronological, though obviously, it starts with Wade. I'd put Marcus in the 5-7 range.

Vander.....

[Mr. Sand-Knit]

Key and Mac finished in 1994, that's 25 years.  Tony, ok. I hear you there.

The thing with players like Crawford and Amal is that their stats were depressed because of the systems they played in. Both led us to NCAA wins, were on conference title teams and were drafted and played in the NBA. I think Crawford could have averaged nearly 20 a game playing for an MU coach other than Deane.

They also had really good players ahead of them reducing their roles as underclassmen

[mujivitz06]

Tall Titan

Travis Deiner said Sam was already an all time great at MU.

Did he say that before or after he chose to help someone else (probably our main rival) win?