Hinkle mystique vanquished

[willie warrior]

I know you're kidding, but actually we can't.  After what McGuire did, NCAA instituted a rule that if you turn down an NCAA bid, you cannot go to any other postseason tournament.

Good ole NCAA. Always protecting their ass.

[PGsHeroes32]

With Cain it will probably come down to what playing time he can be promised going forward in a couple years.

If he transfers he's gotta sit a year anyways. So if Wojo tells him he sees good minutes for him in 2 years. He may just redshirt next year and stay put at a program heading in a good direction.

[Nukem2]

With Cain it will probably come down to what playing time he can be promised going forward in a couple years.

If he transfers he's gotta sit a year anyways. So if Wojo tells him he sees good minutes for him in 2 years. He may just redshirt next year and stay put at a program heading in a good direction.

Would also keep him in the same class with his buddy Greg.

[Mr. Sand-Knit]

I don't *know* what is going on, but I have a good guess.  Bailey is a better defender and his offensive downside isn't all that great compared to Jamal.  We have five players who can hit that corner 3 better than Jamal can right now.

He may play himself back into the rotation, but if he doesn't I'm OK with that.  And if he leaves, he leaves.  Why worry?

The last few times jamal has played he has literally turned the ball over every time he has touched it.  That is no exageration.  BBhas been far superior to Jamal over the last month and the playing time reflects that, nothing more nothing less. Playing time is earned not given

[Mr. Sand-Knit]

With Cain it will probably come down to what playing time he can be promised going forward in a couple years.

If he transfers he's gotta sit a year anyways. So if Wojo tells him he sees good minutes for him in 2 years. He may just redshirt next year and stay put at a program heading in a good direction.

Agreed, however that is also based on Wojo believing he would be a major contributor in that year 5.  Not saying its the case but Wojo may look at it that in year 5 we would still have joey and BB and possibly others and that Wojo doesnt see the upside in Jamal to offer that 5th yr. and that the program would be better off not having him around for 5 yrs.  who knows we will see for sure tho.

[1SE]

Good, positive, realistic post. Appreciate you owning up to prematurely judging Wojo.

Only slight nit is that you shouldn't assume that just because BB isn't scoring it means he's playing poorly. On this team, his job is to play D, hustle, grab a couple of rebounds, take care of the ball. Very similar role to Sacar's -- do the (not so) little things, scoring is a bonus. My only complaint about BB last night is that he took an early 3 that was completely unnecessary; he could have settled for that shot 20 seconds later if necessary.

Said I didn't think played particularly well, not that he was playing poorly. Mainly just in that watching the game he didn't make a positive impression with me at any point and I feel like maybe I noticed a missed reb or TO. His D was probably fine (I wasn't really keyed in on him), but Butler's shooting made our D look a bit better than it was. I think BB is a solid player, I think it's interesting we didn't see any Cain, especially when our O was struggling more than our D in the 1st half.

Happy to own up that I was wrong on Wojo - we've definitely seen flashes of his potential over the past 4 years, only to find out a game or two later it was a false "turning the corner". All seems to be clicking this year and that consistency is the most impressive of all.

[1SE]

Agreed, however that is also based on Wojo believing he would be a major contributor in that year 5.  Not saying its the case but Wojo may look at it that in year 5 we would still have joey and BB and possibly others and that Wojo doesnt see the upside in Jamal to offer that 5th yr. and that the program would be better off not having him around for 5 yrs.  who knows we will see for sure tho.

A red-shirt probably wouldn't be a bad idea - especially if he can really work on putting 20lbs of muscle on the frame during the year. With Greg would give us some nice veteran players in 2020-2021. Also nice to have injury insurance.

That said, if we have major success this year and next always a danger of being recruited over. Might be tempting to go the Sandy Cohen route and rack up a few seasons as BMOC at some mid-major. But I'm sure he's receiving better advice and sounding boards than us here...

[Mr. Sand-Knit]

A red-shirt probably wouldn't be a bad idea - especially if he can really work on putting 20lbs of muscle on the frame during the year. With Greg would give us some nice veteran players in 2020-2021. Also nice to have injury insurance.

That said, if we have major success this year and next always a danger of being recruited over. Might be tempting to go the Sandy Cohen route and rack up a few seasons as BMOC at some mid-major. But I'm sure he's receiving better advice and sounding boards than us here...

Doubtful

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Doubtful

Every advisor and sounding board is better than scoop

[Loose Cannon]

With Cain it will probably come down to what playing time he can be promised going forward in a couple years.

If he transfers he's gotta sit a year anyways. So if Wojo tells him he sees g ood minutes for him in 2 years. He may just redshirt next year and stay put at a program heading in a good direction.

Its my understanding that Wojo doesn't promise minutes.  Might disrupt other players. 

[Norm]

The last few times jamal has played he has literally turned the ball over every time he has touched it.  That is no exageration.  BBhas been far superior to Jamal over the last month and the playing time reflects that, nothing more nothing less. Playing time is earned not given

Cain has played 3 minutes in the last 4 games - with no turnovers.

He played 4 minutes against Georgetown with an assist and a steal - no turnovers.

Overall, he's played the fewest minutes of any scholarship player (not counting Ike and Greg who are red shirting) in Big East play - 39 minutes. He's 2-4 from the field, 0-1 from 3, for 4 points. He has 8 rebounds - 4 offense, 4 defense. He has 2 assists, 2 steals and 4 turnovers (3 in one game).

By comparison, Bailey, who Cain seems to be losing time to, has played 96 minutes in BE play. Bailey is 8 for 20 (40%) from the field, including 2-11 from 3 (18%), 2-3 from the line, for 20 points. Bailey has 9 rebounds - 1 offense and 8 defense. He has no assists, 1 turnover, 3 steals and 4 blocks (all blocks came in the Georgetown game).

The Georgetown game is the big demarcation between the two, with Cain buried on the bench except for 3 minutes since, with Bailey getting 10, 5, 18 and 12 in the following 4 games.

[Nukem2]

Cain has played 3 minutes in the last 4 games - with no turnovers.

He played 4 minutes against Georgetown with an assist and a steal - no turnovers.

Overall, he's played the fewest minutes of any scholarship player (not counting Ike and Greg who are red shirting) in Big East play - 39 minutes. He's 2-4 from the field, 0-1 from 3, lfor 4 points. He has 8 rebounds - 4 offense, 4 defense. He has 2 assists, 2 steals and 4 turnovers (3 in one game).

By comparison, Bailey, who Cain seems to be losing time to, has played 96 minutes in BE play. Bailey is 8 for 20 (40%) from the field, including 2-11 from 3 (18%), 2-3 from the line, for 20 points. Bailey has 9 rebounds - 1 offense and 8 defense. He has no assists, 1 turnover, 3 steals and 4 blocks (all blocks came in the Georgetown game).

The Georgetown game is the big demarcation between the two, with Cain buried on the bench except for 3 minutes since, with Bailey getting 10, 5, 18 and 12 in the following 4 games.

Bailey also gave MU a big lift in the Xavier game last Saturday.

[Norm]

Bailey also gave MU a big lift in the Xavier game last Saturday.

Yep, especially with those 2 free throws. Played 18 minutes that game.

[wadesworld]

Bailey uses his length better defensively.  I don't think he's outstanding at staying in front of his guy, but he's great at recovering and making any shot attempt difficult/contested.

[The Sultan]

Bailey uses his length better defensively.  I don't think he's outstanding at staying in front of his guy, but he's great at recovering and making any shot attempt difficult/contested.

I think he is better at rotating off the ball as well.

[Mr. Sand-Knit]

Bb got killed on a back doir cut where he was flat footed and ball watching last night.  However,  Bb has been much better defensively thatn cain and that is why they come in to reat a starter and play defense.
neither jamal or Bb come in for offense but i think Bb is mich more calm, a better passer, and seems to be in the offensive flow better.  Jamal seems to be panicing with his loss of confidence.  Confidence is a fickle bitch

[Norm]

Bb got killed on a back doir cut where he was flat footed and ball watching last night.  However,  Bb has been much better defensively thatn cain and that is why they come in to reat a starter and play defense.
neither jamal or Bb come in for offense but i think Bb is mich more calm, a better passer, and seems to be in the offensive flow better.  Jamal seems to be panicing with his loss of confidence.  Confidence is a fickle bitch

I don't disagree with much of what you say, but Jamal has gotten barely any chances to actually do anything on the court recently. 7 minutes played total in the last 5 games with 3 DNPs. Hope he can come off the bench and contribute when called upon, a la Heldt against Xavier, but the longer he goes without getting any meaningful playing time the less likely he'l be able to pull a Heldt.

[Mr. Sand-Knit]

Thats the toughness of being a reserve.  Bust tour ass in oractice to be ready to play.  Stay fully engaged and ready to play at a moments notice in a game.  If ur not teady to hit 100 mph on the first trip down the court your coming out n someone else is getting their chance.  Life of a reserve in hoops.  Not always easy eapecially for the guy that says he needs a few trips to get warmed up.  In a few trips the starter is about ready to go back in. Didnt no one say it was easy.  It hink BB handles this a little better than Jamal does.

[Marcus92]

With Cain it will probably come down to what playing time he can be promised going forward in a couple years.

Wojo's been very upfront publicly multiple times on this point: you have to earn your playing time.

He's going to put in the players who give the team the best chance to win. Part of that's based on practice, part of it on how they're performing in games. If that means only going 3 deep off the bench, so be it. Everyone on the team knows that going in.

I see a lot of potential in Jamal. Long, quick, athletic, good rebounder and defender. His shot hasn't been falling, and he's looked hesitant on the court. Right now, Brendan has the edge spelling Sacar and Sam. That doesn't mean Jamal's never going to play for MU again. We may still see him step up this season. I hope he can pull it together.

[PGsHeroes32]

Wojo's been very upfront publicly multiple times on this point: you have to earn your playing time.

He's going to put in the players who give the team the best chance to win. Part of that's based on practice, part of it on how they're performing in games. If that means only going 3 deep off the bench, so be it. Everyone on the team knows that going in.

I see a lot of potential in Jamal. Long, quick, athletic, good rebounder and defender. His shot's not falling right now, and he's looked hesitant on the court. Right now, Brendan has the edge spelling Sacar and Sam. That doesn't mean Jamal's never going to play for MU again. We may still see him step up this season. I hope he can pull it together.

None of that is really relevant to the conversation that would take place.

It's not a promise guranteeing 30 mpg in 2020/2021 season.

But they absolutely would map out where he stands in the future plans. If Wojo gives him enough assurance that once Markus/Sam/Sacar leave he's got an opening.

But it could end up being a case that McEwen, Greg and Torrence become the future along with whatever else we add.

It's less a promise of exact minutes, but a promise based on Wojos vision going forward

[Marcus92]

None of that is really relevant to the conversation that would take place.

It's not a promise guranteeing 30 mpg in 2020/2021 season.

But they absolutely would map out where he stands in the future plans. If Wojo gives him enough assurance that once Markus/Sam/Sacar leave he's got an opening.

But it could end up being a case that McEwen, Greg and Torrence become the future along with whatever else we add.

It's less a promise of exact minutes, but a promise based on Wojos vision going forward.

Gotcha. "Promise" is what threw me off. I'm not in the locker room. But from my understanding, Wojo and the coaching staff definitely talk to the players about their roles on the team, both now and going forward. Agree with you 100% there.

[PGsHeroes32]

Gotcha. "Promise" is what threw me off. I'm not in the locker room. But from my understanding, Wojo and the coaching staff definitely talk to the players about their roles on the team, both now and going forward. Agree with you 100% there.

Yeah I coulda worded it a little better.

My basic point was just that Jamal has to sit if he transfers. So he may decide to sit her instead if it's communicated he's got a solid shot to get PT as a 4th year Junior when of our All Timers are gone

[barfolomew]

Question:

If a three falls in a fieldhouse, but no one sees it, does it make a sound?

[MU82]

Question:

If a three falls in a fieldhouse, but no one sees it, does it make a sound?

The answer is: "Yes."

My wife hates when the camera pans to the crowd or the coaches, even if the only "action" she's missing is the PG dribbling near midcourt. So she was really pi$$ed when the camera missed JCS shooting that 3.

Here is our actual conversation in the seconds after the shot ...

Mrs. 82: "$hit! What the hell just happened? Charcuterie just shot, right?"

Me: "Yes he did. It went in."

Mrs. 82: "How do you know?"

Me: "I heard the net snap. It was a swish."

BTW, as you can see, Mrs. 82 has a different nickname for JCS than I do.

[warriorchick]

The answer is: "Yes."

My wife hates when the camera pans to the crowd or the coaches, even if the only "action" she's missing is the PG dribbling near midcourt. So she was really pi$$ed when the camera missed JCS shooting that 3.

Here is our actual conversation in the seconds after the shot ...

Mrs. 82: "$hit! What the hell just happened? Charcuterie just shot, right?"

Me: "Yes he did. It went in."

Mrs. 82: "How do you know?"

Me: "I heard the net snap. It was a swish."

BTW, as you can see, Mrs. 82 has a different nickname for JCS than I do.

They call him Charcuterie on Buckyville as well.

When the first syllable of your last name is pronounced "shart", it could be a lot worse.