NCAA recent investigations

[MuMark]

So back to the topic.......verdict is in.....

https://twitter.com/petebrush/status/1055170261295816704?s=21

[WhiteTrash]

If you need a dose of pain, misery, and righteous indignation, hop on any Kansas fan board. Everyone is apparently out get them and this the NCAA's revenge for them beating Duke and Kentucky fives in the last three years.

There is some very ugly stuff on their boards. If you thought Louisville or Arizona fans could be nasty; Kansas fans take it to a whole new level. Their recruits should read what their fans post; I don't think any would choose to go to Lawrence.

[muguru]

Kansas President and Chancellor support Self and KU BB program

https://twitter.com/JonRothstein/status/1055182276152168449

[GGGG]

There is some very ugly stuff on their boards. If you thought Louisville or Arizona fans could be nasty; Kansas fans take it to a whole new level. Their recruits should read what their fans post; I don't think any would choose to go to Lawrence.

Kansas President and Chancellor support Self and KU BB program

https://twitter.com/JonRothstein/status/1055182276152168449

This is in essence why KU isn't going to change on its own.

[MomofMUltiples]

Kansas President and Chancellor support Self and KU BB program

https://twitter.com/JonRothstein/status/1055182276152168449

Ruh-roh.  Doesn't the vote of confidence usually come right before the hatchet drops?

[LoudMouth]

Ruh-roh.  Doesn't the vote of confidence usually come right before the hatchet drops?

Not the case with Zona last year

[Galway Eagle]

If they can hold off on the punishment till the day we play them that'd be great

[brewcity77]

If they can hold off on the punishment till the day we play them that'd be great

Any punishments will likely hold off until after the next round of trials in April.

[WhiteTrash]

This is in essence why KU isn't going to change on its own.

While neither is a quality academic institution, KU is making UofL look like the apex of integrity and ethics. (Never thought I would ever write that)

How can a president of a university enforce punishment for academic dishonesty while allowing his own basketball coach to make a mockery of the NCAA rules? (I understand the KU is about men's basketball and not higher education but this is becoming a joke)

[jesmu84]

https://www.barstoolsports.com/barstoolu/it-appears-that-kansas-played-with-an-ineligible-player-all-of-last-year-and-may-have-to-vacate-a-final-four

[Newsdreams]

Arizona with another quality commit
https://twitter.com/terryterry25/status/1055247660905459712?s=21

Terry Armstrong

[wadesworld]

The cash is flying in Tucson.

[rocket surgeon]

gotta love all the gratuitous sanctimony coming from the most probable benefactors of this stink-you can almost write the scripts for guys like self, petino, calipari, williams, et.al. 

   if this just prevents one more student athlete from going rogue and the ncaa can get back to its core values...this isn't what the ncaa is all about...it only takes a few to cast a bad image...they should take anyone who tries to ruin the system and cast us in a "bad light" and make an example of them...this is really all about the student-athlete and not where we want to go...it ruins the "spirit" of the student-athlete...let's get this all cleared up, we need transparency to bring the competition back to the fans...we will show full cooperation to get to the bottom of all this...

   blah blah blah blah

[brewcity77]

if this just prevents one more student athlete from going rogue and the ncaa can get back to its core values...

Making billions of dollars on the backs of an unpaid/underpaid labor force?

[WhiteTrash]

Making billions of dollars on the backs of an unpaid/underpaid labor force?

How much should the 13th player on IUPUI roster make?

Look, I get the system is not perfect but that does not justify cheating nor do I see a way, legally, to compensate college athletes. 

[GGGG]

How much should the 13th player on IUPUI roster make?

How ever much someone wants to pay him.

[GGGG]

gotta love all the gratuitous sanctimony coming from the most probable benefactors of this stink-you can almost write the scripts for guys like self, petino, calipari, williams, et.al. 

   if this just prevents one more student athlete from going rogue and the ncaa can get back to its core values...this isn't what the ncaa is all about...it only takes a few to cast a bad image...they should take anyone who tries to ruin the system and cast us in a "bad light" and make an example of them...this is really all about the student-athlete and not where we want to go...it ruins the "spirit" of the student-athlete...let's get this all cleared up, we need transparency to bring the competition back to the fans...we will show full cooperation to get to the bottom of all this...

   blah blah blah blah

Let them make outside income.  It will clear up the under the table payments quickly. 

[Galway Eagle]

Let them make outside income.  It will clear up the under the table payments quickly.

This. I know it'll likely hurt mid majors as top talent will transfer but I think it'll clean up the game overall.

[forgetful]

Making billions of dollars on the backs of an unpaid/underpaid labor force?

There always seems to be an automatic assumption that they are unpaid/underpaid.  The market says otherwise.  Many of the top prospects for next year have been interviewed about whether they would consider the G-league offer.  The majority said no, that the value of playing in the NCAA is better. 

So the actual market, says that in a competitive marketplace between the G-league, Euro-leagues, and the NCAA, the NCAA is offering the best compensation.  That means they are being compensated at the rate a competitive market place deems reasonable.

Let them make outside income.  It will clear up the under the table payments quickly. 

Not feasible.  There are all kinds of problems with such a scenario.  If you were to open them to outside income, they would be subjected to all the same conflict of interest issues that other employees (compensated individuals) at the University. 

That means any outside income would have to go under general counsel review, and could not come from any entities that have agreements with the university (donations, business contracts, etc), nor any entities that are involved in the same competitive market that entities that have agreements with the university. 

For example.  Marquette is a Nike school.  Nike directly compensating the athlete would be a conflict of interest between the athlete and Marquette, and would be disallowed for an MU employee (or compensated individual).  Alternatively, if Adidas came and wanted to compensate/endorse the athlete, it would be disallowed, because Marquette has a exclusive rights clause with Nike, and it would be constituted as a conflict of interest and be disallowed.

The only recourse to that would be to say athletes are not subject to the same rules and regulations of all other University compensated individuals, which would open massive lawsuits involving selective prosecution. 

It is not as trivial as just "opening people to outside income".

[GGGG]

Not feasible.  There are all kinds of problems with such a scenario.  If you were to open them to outside income, they would be subjected to all the same conflict of interest issues that other employees (compensated individuals) at the University. 

That means any outside income would have to go under general counsel review, and could not come from any entities that have agreements with the university (donations, business contracts, etc), nor any entities that are involved in the same competitive market that entities that have agreements with the university. 

For example.  Marquette is a Nike school.  Nike directly compensating the athlete would be a conflict of interest between the athlete and Marquette, and would be disallowed for an MU employee (or compensated individual).  Alternatively, if Adidas came and wanted to compensate/endorse the athlete, it would be disallowed, because Marquette has a exclusive rights clause with Nike, and it would be constituted as a conflict of interest and be disallowed.

The only recourse to that would be to say athletes are not subject to the same rules and regulations of all other University compensated individuals, which would open massive lawsuits involving selective prosecution. 

It is not as trivial as just "opening people to outside income".

Oh please.

It's completely feasible.  They're students.  Do other students under scholarship have to sign conflict of interest forms if they work off campus? 

In reality it means they'll cut a few TV spots for boosters or collect some $$ from the same shoe company that sponsors the school.  Maybe do a autograph session or two.

[brewcity77]

This. I know it'll likely hurt mid majors as top talent will transfer but I think it'll clean up the game overall.

But that already happens. I don't think it would accelerate the transfer train any more than we've already seen.

[jesmu84]

There always seems to be an automatic assumption that they are unpaid/underpaid.  The market says otherwise.  Many of the top prospects for next year have been interviewed about whether they would consider the G-league offer.  The majority said no, that the value of playing in the NCAA is better. 

So the actual market, says that in a competitive marketplace between the G-league, Euro-leagues, and the NCAA, the NCAA is offering the best compensation.  That means they are being compensated at the rate a competitive market place deems reasonable.

That's not a "free market"

[rocket surgeon]

This. I know it'll likely hurt mid majors as top talent will transfer but I think it'll clean up the game overall.

enter the luxury tax, eyn'a?  might as well put a salary cap in there as well?

  i needed teal because there isn't a 1/2 teal

[GGGG]

Not the Onion:

https://www.courier-journal.com/story/news/local/2018/10/25/university-louisville-unveils-adidas-funded-ethical-leadership-project/1755029002/

[forgetful]

Oh please.

It's completely feasible.  They're students.  Do other students under scholarship have to sign conflict of interest forms if they work off campus? 

In reality it means they'll cut a few TV spots for boosters or collect some $$ from the same shoe company that sponsors the school.  Maybe do a autograph session or two.

Actually, students fall under the same conflict of interest agreements the moment they agree to be a student (has nothing to do with scholarship).  Any intellectual property they construct using university resources belongs to the University, and when using university resources they cannot partake in any activities without approval of the general counsel if it may represent a conflict of interest. 

It is just that the majority of students do not partake in any activities that could possibly represent a conflict of interest so it doesn't matter. 

Where it usually happens is companies (say Pepsi or red bull) that is willing to sponsor a student organized event, or a student trip, etc.  If the University has an exclusive rights agreement, the student or organization cannot accept any of the money, gear, etc.

Even if the University has say an exclusive rights agreement with Coke, the student organization cannot accept free gear, money, or product, because it represents a conflict of interest, rather they have to go through previously approved channels to acquire product.