NCAA recent investigations

[WarriorInNYC]

Sister Chick, we should agree to partially agree!

The problem is that a sudden fall-off the radar for the current blue bloods would create a vacuum that would be filled by, oh, spring training baseball or the NBA. Or the NHL! In time, you are right. Others, like us, will fill the void. But being a good accountant and chief financial officer, you know, as does the NCAA, that there's a time value of money and that any fall-off in interest because a blue blood is on probation means fewer NCAA dollars.

Perhaps the bigger problem from the NCAA's perspective is that if they administered lengthy probations to the blue bloods, they'd take their balls, their big basketball budgets, their interest and their everything else and create their own league with their own rules. That would leave such basketball specialists as, say, Marquette and the Big East, out in the cold. And it would leave the NCAA in Chapter 7.

I don't think the NCAA would be losing any money from the tournament.  I would imagine even if schools like Kansas, Kentucky, Arizona, etc. were all not in it, the tournament is too big of a deal to lose considerable eyeballs.

Where they could get hurt is from regular season play from those schools, as they have large bases of fans that would lose a lot of interest in those games earlier in the year.

[forgetful]

Uhh...DePaul had $200k on the table for Brian Bowen. Creighton, NC State, Auburn, Miami, and USC aren't on anyone's radar as flagship basketball programs for any of the shoe companies. This doesn't stop at Kansas, Arizona, Duke, Kentucky, and UNC.

That was money coming from DePaul, not the shoe companies. 

That's why I said, less likely.  The money would be coming from MU, or boosters, not the shoe companies. 

[source?]

I don't think the NCAA would be losing any money from the tournament.  I would imagine even if schools like Kansas, Kentucky, Arizona, etc. were all not in it, the tournament is too big of a deal to lose considerable eyeballs.

Where they could get hurt is from regular season play from those schools, as they have large bases of fans that would lose a lot of interest in those games earlier in the year.

The NCAA makes $0 on regular season games.

[bilsu]

The NCAA does not have to give death penalties to schools. They need to give them to the coaches involved. Coaches are the ones who are cheating. Ban some prominent coaches for life and the next coach might be less willing to risk his lively hood.

[source?]

The NCAA does not have to give death penalties to schools. They need to give them to the coaches involved. Coaches are the ones who are cheating. Ban some prominent coaches for life and the next coach might be less willing to risk his lively hood.

I don't really know much about NCAA penalties and enforcement but it would seem reasonable to penalize the schools with some kind of scholarship reduction (say 4/year for 5 years as an example), hit the coaches with a 5-10 year show-cause (depending on severity), and allow any non-implicated students to transfer one time penalty free. Students aren't punished, schools get to continue playing but have more than a slap on the wrist punishment, and coaches lose significant income. I doubt anything like that is feasible but I think most people could live with it.

[Juan Anderson's Mixtape]

I don't really know much about NCAA penalties and enforcement but it would seem reasonable to penalize the schools with some kind of scholarship reduction (say 4/year for 5 years as an example), hit the coaches with a 5-10 year show-cause (depending on severity), and allow any non-implicated students to transfer one time penalty free. Students aren't punished, schools get to continue playing but have more than a slap on the wrist punishment, and coaches lose significant income. I doubt anything like that is feasible but I think most people could live with it.

Scholarship reductions just cut the end of bench players.  Duke finished the 2015 National Championship year with just 8 players.   The only ones punished in this scenario are prospective scholarship players who would  have fewer options. 

[rocket surgeon]

this would seem to indicate that mr. bill self has some 'splain'in to do, eyn'a?

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/25018425/attorney-adidas-executive-says-20k-payment-only-made-request-kansas-jayhawks-coach-bill-self

[jesmu84]

https://www.barstoolsports.com/barstoolu/defense-attorney-claims-bill-self-requested-the-payment-for-silvio-de-sousa

[WarriorDad]

Kansas University could go down.  That would be a wonderful thing to see Bill Self fired and that program put on major probation.

[wadesworld]

Kansas University could go down.  That would be a wonderful thing to see Bill Self fired and that program put on major probation.

Why would you want one of your three alma maters to go down?

[Dr. Blackheart]

Kansas University could go down.  That would be a wonderful thing to see Bill Self fired and that program put on major probation.

Weren't they in major federal trouble a decade or so ago for a ticket office scheme that lasted many years? And was pervasive throughout the ticket office?  Squirmy AD.

[Newsdreams]

Why would you want one of your three alma maters to go down?

You know he has to pretend

[Newsdreams]

this would seem to indicate that mr. bill self has some 'splain'in to do, eyn'a?

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/25018425/attorney-adidas-executive-says-20k-payment-only-made-request-kansas-jayhawks-coach-bill-self

Wow that last paragraph, if true, has extortion/ Interstate commerce interference implications if the Feds wanted to nail him

[WarriorDad]

Why would you want one of your three alma maters to go down?

Last time you said 9 alma maters.

https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=56316.msg1024636#msg1024636


You lack conviction

[wadesworld]

Last time you said 9 alma maters.

https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=56316.msg1024636#msg1024636


You lack conviction

Uhm. What? Maybe try looking at who made the post you just quoted and who made the post you just linked.

You lack intelligence.

[WarriorDad]

Uhm. What? Maybe try looking at who made the post you just quoted and who made the post you just linked.

You lack intelligence.

You and MU82 are the same people, isn't that how it works here?  #wadesworld=mu82

Besides, I have never been to the university, let alone attended it.  One alma mater

https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=56316.msg1024114#msg1024114

[Benny B]

You and MU82 are the same people, isn't that how it works here?  #wadesworld=mu82

Besides, I have never been to the university, let alone attended it.  One alma mater

https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=56316.msg1024114#msg1024114

Imma gonna kill two birds with one stone on this one...


(You paying attention here, Eng?  If not, you should.)


Classic - but amateur - diversion tactic of someone about to be exposed: accuse someone else.

[WarriorDad]

Imma gonna kill two birds with one stone on this one...



Classic - but amateur - diversion tactic of someone about to be exposed: accuse someone else.

Yes, I incorrectly identified the wrong person who claimed 9 alma maters.  It doesn't make him any more correct when he says 3, because they are both wrong.


EDIT: Removing gif

[wadesworld]

Imma gonna kill two birds with one stone on this one...


(You paying attention here, Eng?  If not, you should.)


Classic - but amateur - diversion tactic of someone about to be exposed: accuse someone else.

Lol yup.  Instead of admitting, "Oops, I had the wrong guy," just play the victim and pretend it was your plan all along.  Yup...definitely not Chicos.

[WarriorDad]

I did admit moments later I had the wrong guy.  Just as you have had the wrong guy for months, when are you going to oops and admit it?

[WhiteTrash]

Wow that last paragraph, if true, has extortion/ Interstate commerce interference implications if the Feds wanted to nail him

Talked to a good friend who played on the Championship team at KU in 1988; he thinks Self is going to be fired. He is pissed at Self but not totally surprised. He thinks the school is going to take their time due to the dollars and PR hit involved. He also is of the opinion that this is happening at all the blue blood schools and KU was just "keeping up with the Joneses".

[Ellenson Guerrero]

This is comical. Attorney says in court that Bill Self requested handlers make an offer to De Sousa.  Bill Self himself then announces that De Souza will be suspended pending the revelation.  At least attempt to hide the double standard.

http://www.espn.com/college-sports/story/_/id/25071071/silvio-de-sousa-kansas-jayhawks-play-pending-review

[WhiteTrash]

This is comical. Attorney says in court that Bill Self requested handlers make an offer to De Sousa.  Bill Self himself then announces that De Souza will be suspended pending the revelation.  At least attempt to hide the double standard.

http://www.espn.com/college-sports/story/_/id/25071071/silvio-de-sousa-kansas-jayhawks-play-pending-review

So Self doesn't know if he directed a payment to DeSousa? If I knew I didn't get the player paid, I would not suspend him. If Kansas is questioning the player's eligibility due to Self paying him, wouldn't logic demand that Self be suspended also? "Comical" does not begin to describe the BS Kansas and Self are pulling.

[LoudMouth]

So Self doesn't know if he directed a payment to DeSousa? If I knew I didn't get the player paid, I would not suspend him. If Kansas is questioning the players eligibility due to Self paying him, would logic demand that Self be suspended also? "Comical" does not begin to describe the BS Kansas and Self are pulling.

Common sense is not that common

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

If you need a dose of pain, misery, and righteous indignation, hop on any Kansas fan board. Everyone is apparently out get them and this the NCAA's revenge for them beating Duke and Kentucky fives in the last three years.