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Author Topic: NFC North / NFL Thread 2018-19  (Read 125948 times)

DegenerateDish

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Re: NFC North / NFL Thread 2018-19
« Reply #25 on: April 25, 2018, 07:46:09 PM »
I think we could see some form of chaos if at 2 the Giants select Chubb. I think then a team like the Bucs might consider trading up from 7 to 3 to get Barkley. If that were to play out, the Browns would almost have to trade out of 4.

Who knows though, might be toughest top 10 to predict that I can recall.

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Re: NFC North / NFL Thread 2018-19
« Reply #26 on: April 25, 2018, 09:30:30 PM »
Can't wait for the draft to be over.

Used to be the worst day in sports.

Then it became the worst 2 days in sports.

Now it's the worst 3 days in sports.
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Re: NFC North / NFL Thread 2018-19
« Reply #27 on: April 25, 2018, 09:35:41 PM »
Can't wait for the draft to be over.

Used to be the worst day in sports.

Then it became the worst 2 days in sports.

Now it's the worst 3 days in sports.


It’s gone from something quirky and fun into something overblown and over saturated. Typical NFL.

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Re: NFC North / NFL Thread 2018-19
« Reply #28 on: April 25, 2018, 09:39:32 PM »
Trade down

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Re: NFC North / NFL Thread 2018-19
« Reply #29 on: April 25, 2018, 10:04:32 PM »
What are Bears fans expectations/preferences at #8 tomorrow, assuming no trade up or down? 

Not really going out on a limb but I expect it to be one of Nelson, Smith, or Edmunds. Edmunds would obviously be the biggest risk. I don't expect them to go with a DB after resigning Fuller and Amukamara but would also be fine with Fitzpatrick or Ward.

Hard to screw it up when 3-4 QBs may go before your pick.

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Re: NFC North / NFL Thread 2018-19
« Reply #30 on: April 25, 2018, 10:26:06 PM »
OL

Only one worth taking at 8 is Nelson and he could easily be gone.

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Re: NFC North / NFL Thread 2018-19
« Reply #31 on: April 26, 2018, 07:26:25 AM »

It’s gone from something quirky and fun into something overblown and over saturated. Typical NFL.

Overblown? yes, way overblown, but I like the draft. If you don’t, then don’t pay attention there are lots of other channels to watch and lots of other sports. Brewers are on a 8 game winning streak.  I understand that for most teams the players drafted will not warrant all the hype we have had for the last two months, but for me I enjoy thinking about football in April.

As far as the Packers, I am hoping for one of Ward, James or Fitzpatrick in that order. Probably have to trade up to get one of them. Edmunds, Roquan Smith would be consolation prizes.

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Re: NFC North / NFL Thread 2018-19
« Reply #32 on: April 26, 2018, 08:15:18 AM »
Kinda enjoy overblown, hey?
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Re: NFC North / NFL Thread 2018-19
« Reply #33 on: April 26, 2018, 08:16:43 AM »
What are Bears fans expectations/preferences at #8 tomorrow, assuming no trade up or down? 

Not really going out on a limb but I expect it to be one of Nelson, Smith, or Edmunds. Edmunds would obviously be the biggest risk. I don't expect them to go with a DB after resigning Fuller and Amukamara but would also be fine with Fitzpatrick or Ward.

Hard to screw it up when 3-4 QBs may go before your pick.

In all likelihood, 4 QBs and a RB will go before the Bears pick at #8. That bodes very well for them to get top 5 talent. Roquan Smith, Derwin James or Minkah Fitzpatrick should still be out there for them to snag. I'd love any of those guys. The Bears need playmakers and difference-makers. A guard isn't going to fit that bill. Therefore, I fully anticipate them drafting Quenton Nelson...or trading down and watching the player they want get drafted right ahead of them.

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Re: NFC North / NFL Thread 2018-19
« Reply #34 on: April 26, 2018, 08:52:57 AM »
Kinda enjoy overblown, hey?

No teeth behind that statement

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Re: NFC North / NFL Thread 2018-19
« Reply #35 on: April 26, 2018, 09:21:43 AM »

It’s gone from something quirky and fun into something overblown and over saturated. Typical NFL.

I agree.  When it was one Saturday it was actually interesting for awhile.

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Re: NFC North / NFL Thread 2018-19
« Reply #36 on: April 26, 2018, 09:34:40 AM »
I agree.  When it was one Saturday it was actually interesting for awhile.

Adolescent me lived for that Saturday. Plop down in front of the TV with my charts and draft board. Loved that day except when Sherman traded up for a punter in round 3.

But...even though 3 days is not better than 1, let me be the first to wish you all a Merry NFL Offseason Christmas (Merry NFL Offseason Festivus for MU82 and us other pagans)!

I am bummed that it's not in Chicago - the 2 years it was here, the Brewers played Chicago at Wrigley that weekend (do again!), so I could go 2 for 1.

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Re: NFC North / NFL Thread 2018-19
« Reply #37 on: April 26, 2018, 09:52:46 AM »
Overblown? yes, way overblown, but I like the draft. If you don’t, then don’t pay attention there are lots of other channels to watch and lots of other sports.

I generally follow this advice, and I won't be watching one second of the draft.

But when ESPN isn't advertising for its new streaming service, every other commercial is draft related. Huge chunks of Sportscenter focus on the draft. Even stories that have nothing to do with the draft end up talking about the draft. Of course, nobody is forcing me to watch ESPN, either.

When you live in a town with an NFL team but not a whole lot of other sports - like Charlotte, where I live - we are inundated with draft stuff. Every day, the Observer has 3, 5, 7 articles about it. Obviously, the interest is there or they wouldn't be covering it like this.

So I grit my teeth, avoid what I can and will be happy when it's over.

Kind of like the way a woman deals with 4ever's sexual advances - ha!
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Re: NFC North / NFL Thread 2018-19
« Reply #38 on: April 26, 2018, 10:10:44 AM »
Overblown? Has anyone seen the NFL network's programming line-up today? They even have a Red Carpet program.

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Re: NFC North / NFL Thread 2018-19
« Reply #39 on: April 26, 2018, 11:40:54 AM »
I think we could see some form of chaos if at 2 the Giants select Chubb. I think then a team like the Bucs might consider trading up from 7 to 3 to get Barkley. If that were to play out, the Browns would almost have to trade out of 4.

Who knows though, might be toughest top 10 to predict that I can recall.

I really don't understand why a team would spend the draft capital take Barkley so high, let alone trade up for him (not saying you're endorsing it, Dish). I think we've litigated this in the other NFL thread, but investing a top 15 pick in a RB just makes no damn sense.
 
 1. The margin between the 3rd best RB and the 10th best RB is qualitatively less than other positions, and RBs are more dependent on circumstances to succeed than any other position. Here are the top 10 from last year in yds/attempt with a minimum of 150 carries: Dion Lewis, Mark Ingram, Kareem Hunt, Todd Gurley, Alex Collins, LeGarrette Blount, Devonta Freeman, Orleans Darkwa, Bilal Powell, Marshawn Lynch.

2. $$$. You can get extremely proficient runners on the cheap in free agency every year. How "good" the RB is just isn't that predictive of success. So by taking a RB at the top of the draft,you're foregoing the salary cap benefit of having one of your impact players at an important position locked into a rookie deal. Compare offseason deals for even decent QBs or edge rushers to offseason deals for RBs. Of the guys I listed, Lewis, Collins, Blount, Darkwa, Powell and Lynch were all signed to low risk, short term, inexpensive deals as FAs.

3. Injury risk/inconsistency. Of that top ten list, how many of those guys are likely to repeat? I'd be shocked if 3 of those guys are in the top 10 in ypc again in 2018.

4.. RBs are no more a sure thing than any other position. Of the guys I listed that are under their rookie deals, Ingram (28th) and Gurley (15th) were first rounders, Freeman and Hunt were 3rd rounders. Given 1-3 above, why put the risk of missing on your first round pick when the payoff is lower than with other positions?

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Re: NFC North / NFL Thread 2018-19
« Reply #40 on: April 26, 2018, 01:20:34 PM »
I really don't understand why a team would spend the draft capital take Barkley so high, let alone trade up for him (not saying you're endorsing it, Dish). I think we've litigated this in the other NFL thread, but investing a top 15 pick in a RB just makes no damn sense.
 
 1. The margin between the 3rd best RB and the 10th best RB is qualitatively less than other positions, and RBs are more dependent on circumstances to succeed than any other position. Here are the top 10 from last year in yds/attempt with a minimum of 150 carries: Dion Lewis, Mark Ingram, Kareem Hunt, Todd Gurley, Alex Collins, LeGarrette Blount, Devonta Freeman, Orleans Darkwa, Bilal Powell, Marshawn Lynch.

2. $$$. You can get extremely proficient runners on the cheap in free agency every year. How "good" the RB is just isn't that predictive of success. So by taking a RB at the top of the draft,you're foregoing the salary cap benefit of having one of your impact players at an important position locked into a rookie deal. Compare offseason deals for even decent QBs or edge rushers to offseason deals for RBs. Of the guys I listed, Lewis, Collins, Blount, Darkwa, Powell and Lynch were all signed to low risk, short term, inexpensive deals as FAs.

3. Injury risk/inconsistency. Of that top ten list, how many of those guys are likely to repeat? I'd be shocked if 3 of those guys are in the top 10 in ypc again in 2018.

4.. RBs are no more a sure thing than any other position. Of the guys I listed that are under their rookie deals, Ingram (28th) and Gurley (15th) were first rounders, Freeman and Hunt were 3rd rounders. Given 1-3 above, why put the risk of missing on your first round pick when the payoff is lower than with other positions?

I agree with everything you said, and was all in last year when I said I personally thought it was stupid for not one, but two backs to go top 10. This year's draft is just weird, and I think a team like the Bucs would talk themselves into moving up for Barkley (who knows though).

It really depends on what the Giants do at #2, that'll change the course of the draft whichever way it goes. I personally don't think they take a QB.

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Re: NFC North / NFL Thread 2018-19
« Reply #41 on: April 26, 2018, 04:07:32 PM »

It’s gone from something quirky and fun into something overblown and over saturated.

Much like porn (from what I've been told).

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Re: NFC North / NFL Thread 2018-19
« Reply #42 on: April 26, 2018, 07:43:50 PM »
Oh Cleveland...

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Re: NFC North / NFL Thread 2018-19
« Reply #43 on: April 26, 2018, 08:29:15 PM »
Happy with Smith but would have loved to get the haul Tampa did at 7.

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Re: NFC North / NFL Thread 2018-19
« Reply #44 on: April 26, 2018, 08:40:29 PM »
Or the haul the Packers got at 14.

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Re: NFC North / NFL Thread 2018-19
« Reply #45 on: April 26, 2018, 08:45:29 PM »
Or the haul the Packers got at 14.

Yeah, that was a nice trade to get a future 1st. Strange move by the Saints.

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Re: NFC North / NFL Thread 2018-19
« Reply #46 on: April 26, 2018, 10:40:20 PM »
Yeah, that was a nice trade to get a future 1st. Strange move by the Saints.

Haul was worth it. Barely missed out in what many believed to be top tier talent in Derwin James

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Re: NFC North / NFL Thread 2018-19
« Reply #47 on: April 27, 2018, 12:15:18 AM »
Haul was worth it. Barely missed out in what many believed to be top tier talent in Derwin James

Go Bears  :)

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Re: NFC North / NFL Thread 2018-19
« Reply #48 on: April 27, 2018, 09:16:16 AM »
It always comes down to the players involved but in the end, trading down 4 spots and getting a late 1st for a 3rd has to be a home run on the 'chart'.  I'd expect the Packers to use some late ammo to move back into the 3rd.

I really think Gutty knew he had a reasonably priced deal with Seattle if he needed it.  I wasn't following in real time but I'll bet Packer nation melted down when he went from #14 to #27.  'We need players NOW' kind of stuff.

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Re: NFC North / NFL Thread 2018-19
« Reply #49 on: April 27, 2018, 10:41:45 AM »
REALLY happy with Roquan Smith, been awhile since I was very excited about a Bears first rounder.  Would have been nice to get a haul of picks to move back, but they got foreseeably a great piece.

Browns draft was interesting. My friends who are big Browns fans are actually pretty happy with the players, but felt they could have been had at a much better spot.  Likely could have gotten Baker at 4, and Denzel Ward wasn't the consensus top DB on the board, so he could have maybe been had lower.